Here's the photo:



We're to name 7 of the 10.

I'm currently going with (from left to right around the tables):

1. Amato
2. JB
3. Pranno
4. Gagliano
5. Amabile
6. Potenza
7. Battaglia (total winger here)
8. DeStefano
9. Cerone
10. Ferraro

Alright everybody, tear me apart. Seriously. I just need to have my curiosity satisfied, so any and all suggestions are welcome.

Bottom line, we should be able to do this.

Hmmm not sure, but I don't think glasses guy is DeStefano.

Kinda looks like a Caifano .

You all need to stop throwing out random Outfit names and consider what guys were "Accardo" guys and what guys came to fame years later under Giancana. In the 1950s, Cerone was still a soldier...Joe Gags probably wasn't even made yet.


1. Amato
2. JB
3. Pranno
4. Frank Buccieri
5. Frank "The X" Esposito
6. Potenza
7. Dominic "Little Libby" Nuccio
8. Murray Humphreys
9. Cerone or Ricca
10. Ferraro or Gus Alex or Ross Prio

This the late fifties at the earliest. Cerone was definitely boss of Elmwood Park by that point and Joe Gags was his number two.

The biggest problem is that we have limited pictures for a lot of these guys so it's tough to get an accurate gauge of who is who.

Exactly. I was just taking a shot in hopes we could get some replies. I'll keep looking to see if this picture shows up some other place.

Thanks

The guy with the glasses is not DeStefano....DiVarco maybe but im not sure because heres a photo of DiVarco from the late 50's and it doesnt look a bit similar(his hair is waaaay darker)...My guess is James Adduci from the west side



First from the left Caesar DiVarco,Jackie Cerone and Ross Prio pictured here in front of the McClellan Rackets Committee, 1958.


My guess is Amato,Accardo,Pranno,Gagliano,dont know,dont know,dont know,James Adduci,Cerone or Frank LaPorte,Nick Palermo(with cigar)

Starting to wonder if dice blower is DeGrazia.


Here's him all the way on the right with Accardo from way back...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5xFE0EtOA50/UB...co+degrazia.jpg

Any photos our there of Adduci, Palermo, LaPorte or Frank Buccieri from that era? DeGrazio?

Here's a picture of Esposito in 1962:



I don't think he's in the ANP photo, but of course I could be wrong.

Here's a shot of the Doms (Brancato/DiBella/Nuzzo):



I'm not seeing Nuccio in the ANP photo, but I think there's a shot that #4 is DiBella.

Heres a photo of LaPorte in the early 60's....

http://books.google.mk/books?id=4YemJYcU...tos&f=false

The guy with the sun glasses looks an awful lot like momo giancana

"The Boys In Chicago Heights" by Matt Luzi - great book, well documented. Would highly recommend.

I still think the guy with the glasses could be Messino. It's definitely not Giancana. Messino was with with Cerone for several years and if the bald guy is Cerone than it would make sense for Messino to be right next to him.

Nope. No way its messino.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1964886_10152621271120898_19483584_n.jpg


https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/69592_10152680232640898_844191683_n.jpg

You also have to consider he has glasses, no hat, and a cigar in his mouth. I'm still not convinced it isn't him.

Yeah I just don't think it looks like him. I could be wrong though. Also not convinced he was heavy enough at this point to be with these guys.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eDebM2zctu8/S6rjPm48C6I/AAAAAAAAA74/nv2aZYEWKbY/s400/Messino.jpg

He was close to Cerone and he was arguably as high up as Amato or Pranno was at the time.

Agree to disagree. He was Jack's gopher. I don't think he was very high status until late in life.

Is this a legit photo of Aiuppa? If so, I think #9 (whom we've pegged up until now as Cerone or Ricca) just could be Doves.



EDIT: Nevermind; it's Allen Glick. Duh.

Are there any younger photos of Aiuppa out there?

That's Allen Glick.

I know there's one of him testifying in front of congress, but I can't seem to find it.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/trutv.com/...y-Aiuppa200.jpg

Shit, check out this gem I found!

http://www.larryramsell.com/DOCS/World_Record_Controversies_files/image099.jpg

Who is that, anyway? It seems half the fun of this wretched photo is all of the new stuff you come across while researching it. For instance, I'd never seen this:


While not helpful for our purposes, it's a pretty crazy story, and I'd never come across it before. Full story can be found here.

^^^Good find!

JJB, its Joey Aiuppa lol

Wow great find with the piece on the Bucceri brothers...I had no idea that was them. Angelo and Jimmy LaPietra were protoge's of those brothers. Fifi always sounded like a sadistic guy.

I've wondered the same. Lack of photographic evidence makes it really difficult. I'm not sure there's anything more I can research, honestly. It may take someone close to one of the pictured to piece it all together. Which gets my goat, of course.

That said, I have a suspicion that we're making a wrong assumption, perhaps Amato or Cerone, that is making it all the harder.

It'd be nice if Fosco would at least respond to guesses summarily. Say, however many correct guessed would be fair enough - he was doing it before in the ANP thread.

Here's the latest guess I've posited to Fosco:

1. Amato
2. JB
3. Pranno
4. DiBella
5. Buccieri
6. Potenza
7. Nuccio
8. Adduci
9. Cerone
10. Blasi

The biggest question marks are of course 4, 5, 7, 8, and 10.

I see similarities in the eyes of known pics of DiBella and #4, so I think I might be on to something there. And DiBella makes sense with Joe Amato at the table.

#5 is a killing me, because he stands out but doesn't seem to resemble anybody else I've been able to compare photos to. I'm leaning Buccieri, but those that have mentioned Fischetti (no pics to compare) warrant consideration. DeGrazio is another possibility, but again, no photos from the era are available for comparison. Where's a photo of Fischetti, for Christ's sake?

#7 I've got NOTHING here. NOTHING. I'm guessing Nuccio because someone else has and I haven't a clue, other that I'm pretty damn sure #7 and #8 AREN'T Humphreys.

#8 See #7

#10 Blasi just might be #10, but nobody's an easy match, that's for sure. Ferraro? I don't see this as guy as Messino, that's for sure.

I've guessed at least twice to Fosco in the past couple months and I know that funkster has posted on the board over there guessing but he hasn't even replied to any of them. I guess he is butt hurt that someone questioned his identification of Pranno (even though Fosco ended up being right).

Buccieri's hair wasn't that white at this time and he almost always wore glasses. Didn't really seem like the guy who would wear an open shirt in public, either. Fischetti on the other hand:

Don't know what the deal is. He hasn't said much in the last month and a half.

Nice find on the Fischetti pic? Where'd you get it, anyway?

Hair and skin tone definitely match #5.

What's up with Fosco these days? Is he sleeping in a trunk somewhere?

Last I saw he responded two weeks ago to someone on his Bastone post trolling him. Haven't heard anything since.

#7 is Leonard Gianola. Check out page 85 here.

I believe you got it ! John Binder's book is great. Excellent pictures.

Also, I do believe that #5 is Johnny Formosa.



I'm also wondering if #10 isn't Vincent Inserro.

Yep I think you're right about Inserro man.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7uGhQ-CLm08/T1t8F7l3QqI/AAAAAAAAlf4/2QgjlrFOvZc/s320/inserro.jpg

Now tell me if #9, instead of Cerone, might be Jimmy Catuara? He's on page 81 here.

It doesn't look like Inserro to me but whatever. It doesn't look like Fosco is ever going to reveal it anyway.

This is Needles Gianola, so draw your own conclusions:

Wow, those 2 photos don't jibe at all. When was the photo you posted taken? Another case of journalistic mistaken identity?

EDIT: BTW, the Gianola pic that I linked to appears to be from 1961, just about when our ANP pic was taken.

And I don't know why I just now thought of this but #10 (glasses, cigar) has to be Sam DeStefano. I know somebody briefly mentioned #8 as potentially being Sam but I never even thought of #10 until just now.

I have as my personal definites:

Amato
Accardo
Pranno
Cerone
DeStefano

Something about this picture does look like #10:



I had never really considered him for #10 either. Jeebus.

Yep based on this picture he ain't in the Fosco pic. Back to the drawing board.

On this picture next to Accardo on the right is Nick Palermo,but the thing is this picture is taken in the late 70's(i think) so Plaermo is much older but i see a big resemblance with nubmer 10



Too bad i cant find a bigger picture....

This photo sealed it for me:

These photos of DeStefano are from the 1960s. Fosco's photo is from the 1940s.

DeStefano was never in Accardo's inner circle or on par with some of the other guys at that table given the time period of the photo. If the photo is from the 1940s, DeStefano spent most of that decade in Leavenworth. His star didn't really rise until the late 1950s and even then, DeStefano was mostly held at arms length by Giancana and the Taylor Street regime in power at that point.

The Fosco photo is from the late 50's.

Snakes is right. The photo, as best as can be surmised from the cars in the background, wasn't taken prior to '56.

And in the late 50s, Mad Sam was what, direct to Ricca? That's what I've heard, anywho. Wouldn't be surprising to see him at the table whatsoever.

From 2 months ago in the actual ANP thread, a poster by the name of Antillar posited the following, and Fosco confirmed 5 of them were correct:

"Here's my list of names, from left to right:
1. Joe Amato
2. Joe Batters Accardo
3. Queenie Simonelli
4. Joe Gagliano? (smiling man with cap)
5. Rocco Fischetti
6. unknown (younger handsome man smiling)
7. unknown (man with back turned)
8. Nick Palermo
9. James Adduci (with glasses)
10. Jackie Cerone
11. Willie Messino (smiling man with sunglasses and cigar)"

So which 5 were correct? Amato, Tuna and Cerone are probably the safest bets, leaving 2 of Gagliano, Fischetti, Palermo, Adduci and Messino as being confirmed correct(#3 of course being Pranno and not Simonelli).

This is Joe Gags (pictured below) but it's an more "recent" photo of him than Fosco's. Not really sure what Palermo or Adducci look like so I can't really discount them either. Fischetti seems to be a popular choice for open-shirt guy so no real argument from me there. I thought that cigar guy was Messino for a while but switched it to Mad Sam and I'm maybe a little too unreasonably confident in that guess.

I've seen this picture before, but have never seen the others identified. I feel like the guy on the far right is in the Fosco picture...but could be way off.

fischetti was in the late 70's (what i assume for the picture) already dead

The picture was from the late fifties.

Greetings from a newby.
I just wanted to say that JJB and Snakes are onto something with DeStefano as #10. I would not have guessed it because he aged so poorly and so fast. But if you compare the shape of the ears it is an excellent match.

Second, both Fosco and Brashler made mistakes with Pranno.
I have sent Fosco 5 different photos from the Trib archives well as this link to a guy selling reprints from the SunTimes photo morgue.
Pranno shots
Pranno had a huge cleft chin that you couldn't miss. The guy Brashler labled as Potenza, is actually Pranno. Most of those SunTimes photos come from the trial that put Pranno away for the rest of his life. I don't think they got them switched.

Next, Nick Palermo (mob plumber). He is in the shot. Nick's signature feature was cotton white hair with black eyebrows.
I'll leave it to you guys to figure out which one he is.

I actually ran across the same thing when I was doing some research recently. At first I took Fosco's word for it when he claimed it was Pranno but I found some other photos which show the purported Pranno. I wouldn't figure that multiple sources got it wrong, so I would guess that the guy in the photo is actually Potenza, I guess.

Pretty sure I have seven (possibly nine) now that PK has hinted at Nick Palermo but since Fosco apparently isn't accepting any more guesses (I've sent three with no response) I am not sure if I will submit.

I think #3 is Simonelli, geez he looks just like the guy.

I am also pretty sure I know who #6 is and no one has even brought up his name.


He was only the handsomest man in the outfit.

Nicoletti

#3 isn't Simonelli only because Fosco has already said he isn't. Fosco claimed it was Pranno and cites his unnamed source as saying so. I would wager that it's actually Potenza and somebody got the Roccos mixed up again.

For the record, I do not think #6 is Nicoletti.

Although who knows, #3 could very well be Simonelli but we'll never know because it doesn't look like he is gonna answer anytime soon.

Snakes - here's a link to some pictures from Wayne Johnson's blog. Might want to take a look. At the bottom of each page look at "older post." Two or three pages of some pictures. Most you've probably seen, but you might come across something that would help identify these guys. Good luck.


http://ahistoryofviolenceinchicago.blogspot.com

I am armed with some new intel per a response from Fosco himself. I submitted the following:

1. Amato
2. Tuna
3. Pranno
4. Gagliano
5. Fischetti
6. Potenza
7. Ferriola (back turned pants wet; was a wild guess)
8. Palermo
9. Adduci
10. Cerone
11. DeStefano

He had this to say:



But maddeningly, no mention of how many correct. Swap out Ricca for Cerone, and bingo? It can't be that easy, can it?

I don't know, I think I'm done with this.

Could Aducci be 5th from left with his shirt open?

The hair, nose and eyebrows match, as does the pinkie ring.

I gave up a long time ago.

Fosco doesn't even know who all of these guys are.

chitown. ive been looking at that photo for months, I don't know the guys in the outfit. only read about them.

but, I can identify accardo, amato, fishetti, pranno, and giancana. fosco is pulling a hustle. hes as clueless as anybody else.

Binnie, which do you believe is Pranno, Fishetti, and Giancana?

ok, pranno is behind batters, fischetti is the one with his shirt open, wearing a watch. the bald headed guy sitting away from batters, and, next to the guy with the sunglasses looks more like giancana than cerone.

That's Potenza not Pranno.

ok, you're right he wasn't called parrot nose for nothing, now, next to fishetti is pranno, on fishettis right. so it's


1- amato
2- batters
3-potenza
4-behind Potenza- unknown
5- fishetti
6-pranno
7-unknown
8-unknown
9-unknown
10-giancana
11-aducci

im pretty sure about 1 through6.

I still think 10 is Cerone.

I can't see cerone, if you look at some pics of giancana, without a hat, it could be him. oh, by the way in the parking lot is a 56 chevy. pic must be 1956.

My main reason is that Cerone was always a bit chubbier and the guy in the pic looks consistent with Jack's weight. Who knows though, you could be right.

Mooney still had a little hair on top at this time.
This guy has nothing left but the Hippocratic wreath.

Yep. I don't think Mooney's hair was that far gone either.

..Why the fuck is Fosco ranting about the innocence of bill cosby.

This is not what I was expecting on ANP

Alright, since we drug this up again, here are my guesses with supporting photos.



I tried to use photos from the era, in the cases of Nicoletti and DeStefano I used multiple images that span the period.
I have no guesses for #7, the soggy bottom boy or #8, pencil neck.
I have only changed my mind on one in the 9 months since I sent my list to Fosco (and received no reply). I came around to the notion that the cigar man was DeStefano.

Here's my guesses:
1. Amato
2. Accardo
3. Potenza (I used to think it was Simonelli too until I saw that Rocco Potenza looks even more like this guy)
4. UNK (not Gagliano, doesn't look like him to me)
5. Palermo
6. UNK (not Nicoletti, was thinking possibly Lombardi, but still too many differences)
7. UNK
8. Adduci
9. Cerone
10. UNK (does sort of look like DeStefano though, I'll give you that)

pk dickman, put in Potenza for simonelli, fishetti for Palermo. pranno for nicoletti, by the way these guys aren't taylor street. are they? I can't see a taylor st, guy in the photo.

yeah, I take back the guess of giancana, it's cerone, also like my last post, where are the taylor st. crews?

I don't think that's Nicoletti, but the Palermo guess is a good one.

Not a guess. I knew Nick when I worked at a jewelery store in Elmwood Pk, back in the 80s. I just knew him as Nicky the plumber. He would come around with stuff that needed fixing about once a month. He would hang around the workroom all day chewin the fat. I didn't realize he was Nick Palermo until his wake.
I knew Nicoletti by sight as well. I cooked or bussed in a half dozen restaurants in Northlake, Melrose and Franklin Parks ca. 72-76 we knew to keep his cigarette lit and not to spill coffee on him.

That's definitely not Chuckie Nicoletti - as a young man, he had light hair. I wonder if that might instead be Joe Fischetti or perhaps even a younger Ross Prio.

I would say that could be Aducci based on looks, though I wonder if a state rep of that caliber would be stupid enough to play cards with a bunch of hoods in a public park. It could also be Rocco Fischetti who also had hair like that.

I think that could be DeStefano as the last guy - that's a great guess.

For what it's worth, Fosco mentioned to me in an email that Gags definitely wasn't in the pic, and intimated that the only way DeStefano would have been in the pic were Ricca to be in it as well. Hence, Cerone/Mooney would be Ricca.

EDIT: Not that any of this matters, as Fosco's probably too busy defending Bill Cosby (yeah, he seems to have lost the plot a bit) to respond anyway.

Adduci was either an associate or an actual member of the old Grand Avenue Crew in the 1930s before he went into politics. The Outfit in its heyday had politicians and probably judges who were actual made members.

Yeah but even so, guys in office needed to be smart and not associate so openly with hoods.

I believe Adduci resigned his post before he was to be indicted on conspiracy charges. Perhaps this could be "after" he had resigned and there was no more need to hide his association?

First that isn't Fischetti.
Here's pic of the Fischetti brothers while Charlie was alive (died early in '51)


We know Fosco's pic in no earlier than '56 ('56 Belair in the pic)

Joey(right) is already balding and paunchy.

Next, we don't necessarily see every one in attendance, just a bunch of guys around one picnic table. Anyone else could be milling around.
Third, don't assume that this is some kind of meeting, it may just be a picnic.

In '56, Joe B held the last July 4th party at his home. In '58 they started holding them at Jackie the Lackey's house.

Perhaps they held the 1957 party at a picnic grove.
As such it was a social event and anyone who didn't have a contract out on them may have been there.

They were pretty open about their associations. Roland Libonati defended Capone and the rest of his Outfit buddies even while he sat in Congress.

Good points all around - I am definitely wrong on Fischetti. Someone should send this photo to a John Binder or someone similar and get their guesses.

I'm convinced that Fosco doesnt fucking know.

Good idea. Or Inserra.

my guess

1. Amato /sureshot
2. JB /sureshot
3. Pranno
4. fifi ??
5. Rocco fischetti ??
6. Caifano
7. Palermo
8. Adduci /sureshot (relatively)
9. Cerone /sureshot
10. Messino

No way #10 is Giancana. Photographs of him during 1959 Senate Rackets Committee show him still having a full head of hair.

#10 is either Ricca or Cerone, if anybody at all; I say that because Fosco may have set the bar at 7 of 10 because 3 of them might be virtually impossible to guess or in reality not really outfit guys.

Was Palermo ever a made guy? I always understood he was an Accardo buddy and perhaps merely an associate.

EDIT: That's gotta be Cerone. The guy in the photo is obviously short, and Cerone was like 5'6, not to mention Senate Racket hearing photos from '58 show the exact same dome and hairline.

[img:center]http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbi...60-0836d134e23c[/img]

Sam has a rug on at the senate hearings, but if you check the photos from Toni's wedding (about the same time)
Giancana Auction
he still has hair up the backside of his head and a wisp of hair on top.

If you search for Ricca in the corbis images, you'll see that he was completely gray by this time.

I think you are right about fosco, he acts like he's pretending to know them all, says he's got info from a source,

I think foscos blowing smoke.

I sent it to John Binder. I will let you guys know what he says.

great, snakes! be watching for your post. thank you.

Awesome. Email, or does he have a website?

I realize Sam Destefano had a lot of pull with his rackets, but would he really be sitting in the same table with important people and bosses like Accardo, etc? I think he was more like Ricca's boy instead of Tuna's.

I really have my doubts that that's Destefano. Doesn't look like him to me.

For the record, Binder thinks it's DeStefano too. He's actually contacted Fosco about the photo but (surprise, surprise) he got no reply. He noted Amato, Accardo, and Cerone, too. He thinks he knows a couple more but didn't reveal who.

I didn't think so at first.
But I overlayed the destefano with glasses foto and flickered the layers. It was incredible how many points lined up.
I don't have the tech to put together a gif animation, but if anyone wants to try, I'll be happy to send a matched set.

Check out the earlobes. There are similarities, but that doesn't indicate much. My real concern is that the guy with the cigar looks half-way normal !

gary, "mad sam" did some time in the Indiana joint, check out his mug shot if you can find it, I never could.

Facially, it does look like DeStefano, but questions still remain for a couple of factors: 1) DeStefano's hair was still dark when the photo was taken c1958/59; 2) DeStefano had thick hair and this person's hair doesn't seem all that thick.

On the other hand, DeStefano did have some sort of business arrangement with Accardo or at least kicked up to him. DeStefano also lived in Elmwood Park. He only lived a mile and a half from Cerone (DeStefano at 1656 N Sayre Ave and Cerone at 2000 N 77th Ave), so if it is him it makes sense that they were seated next to each other.

So to update my list, here it is:
Here's my guesses:
1. Joe Amato
2. Accardo
3. Rocco Potenza
4. UNK
5. Nick Palermo
6. Anthony Centracchio
7. UNK (looks like Cowboy Mirro)
8. James Adduci
9. Jack Cerone
10. Sam DeStefano

I highly doubt that Centracchio is there. He would have only been in his twenties at the time and was nowhere near the level of these guys.

Binnie, Faithful - I don't know, either, just guessing. I've not made much of an effort to find pictures of DeStefano, but I'll look around. Very good comments by everyone. If Prof. Binder doesn't know, I have no idea who would.

I sent the picture to a contact in Chicago but did not get a response. I guess these guys get tired of people "picking their brain."

I have a Tribune article about DeStefano "kicking-up" to Accardo.

Fosco claimed it wasn't DeStefano because he wouldn't have been seen around Accardo... whatever. Obviously he doesn't know who all of the guys in the photo are or else he would have responded to the myriad of requests he has received. He was definitely wrong on the Pranno/Potenza debate so that also leads me to believe he doesn't know the rest.

Let's see if this works

Hmmm could also be his brother Mario.
http://www.mchenrycounty1981.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/MarioDeStefano.jpg