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You heard? And you cant see?! So they must have BIZness together. Fark, does anyone need anymore proof?!




So your contention is that NY and DETROIT have joint ventures (Based on NOTHING) going because primarily NY wiseguys could LEARN something from Detroit?
You fucking serious here? Cause this IS hysterical.



My source says you dont know your asshole from your earhole.

Apol if you spit the dummy but the faux OG talk followed by its content was too much to bear.
Word?

Calm the fuck down Sonny, no offense but the way you write is extremely annoying

Probably.

But the point stays.

I rarely understand a word of what's said on these boards anymore

My asshole is between my butt cheeks and i have 2 ear holes, one on each side of my head. So your source is garbage. As far as ny guys wanting to work with chicago or detroit, hell yea. Why wouldnt a guy wanna make money with chi/det knowing that the chances are way better hes not gonna get ratted on than working with a ny cohort. I bet this happens way more then you think. No matter how big a city is, its all about secret society. Not about flashing money. I think theres more commission meetings than we read about. All that other garbage you said, not sure what it means

The main reason some posters claim NY mob guys are not low key, while those in places like Chicago and Detroit are, is to explain away the lesser cases in those latter areas. As said above, mob guys everywhere are more or less the same. It's not like guys in NY are running around trying to get the attention of the press or the FBI. They naturally want to stay out of prison just as much as a guy in Chicago or Detroit. There's just a lot more of them, those families are a lot more active, and there's more coverage by both the press and law enforcement.

There's really little or nothing today that the NY families would meet with people in Chicago or Detroit over. At least not on an administrative level. And that's something different from, say, Bonanno soldier Vinny Faraci being involved in the strip club business with Outfit people.

then how do u explain 60-80 members telling 1000 members that las vegas is our territory?

7-8 families shared Atlantic City while Chicago had the gambling mecca to itself

chicago never did anything the same as NY so why can't u believe chicago is different than NY?

Easy, Nicky. You know I like you a lot. You're a great kid and usually very respectful. But whenever a new poster comes aboard and starts posting that Chicago is alive and well you get so excited about the prospect that you turn on the longtime posters. Just relax .

it's been pretty well documented that the ny families willingly sold off their interests for whatever reasons before las vegas boomed, but the genovese family in particular always seemed to maintain a small presence thanks to their connections to cleveland.

one thing that i think gets overblown is operations in las vegas and the skim in general. people seem to be under this false impression that the mob was taking home the lions share of the casino revenue putting aside the fact that the skim itself was divided up. i forget where, but i remember hearing a number being thrown out and while a great long-term money maker, the amount just wasn't what some make it out to be. i'd be willing to bet that juice brought in substancial amounts of money, which always seems to be overlooked.

as far as AC being split among 7-8 families, i guess the source should be looked at! philly was always the dominant family, with lessor involvement form the genovese and gambino families. either way, just geographically speaking there is bound to be more going on in AC today that vegas anyways, so score another one for the all powerful east coast mob!

Yeah I know. I was pissed off in general when I made that comment. I'm not siding/agreeing with the guy he's talking too but it was annoying me for a while.

pretty much spot on, i think I've posted this before but its a pretty good break down of the whole skim, and as FF said the numbers aren't as astronomical as you would think.


THE BOOKKEEPER WHO DID HIS JOB TOO WELL

By Roy Rowan REPORTER ASSOCIATE Andrew Kupfer
November 10, 1986
(FORTUNE Magazine) – As underboss and comptroller of the Kansas City mob, Carl DeLuna felt immense concern for his fiduciary responsibilities. ''Toughy,'' as he is known, called his meticulous record keeping ''doin' the right thing.'' It proved much too right. In January his handwritten documentation of how cash was skimmed from the Tropicana and Stardust casinos in Las Vegas sent nine gangsters to jail, including DeLuna. The ledgers revealed that between 1976 and 1979, the mob extracted $2.3 million from the two casinos' counting rooms before taxable revenues had been declared. In an October 1977 entry, DeLuna recorded the sitdown in Chicago at which top mob executives determined how the skimming operation would work. The notes proved DeLuna as reliable a recording secretary as he was a bookkeeper. Until the documents were uncovered, federal authorities never suspected that a mobster would keep a record of so important a conclave. The crime bosses who convened in Chicago agreed that couriers -- one DeLuna code-named ''Deerhunter'' and another, a Chicago policeman he called ''Stompy'' -- would deliver the loot each month to the families in Kansas City, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Cleveland. Distribution of the cash was done the same way corporations declare dividends. The mob bosses and underbosses in the four cities held shares, or ''points,'' in the Stardust and Tropicana; they received a certain amount for each share. Sometimes the shareholders received extra dividends: DeLuna's ledger shows that skimming produced a $130,000 bonus in January 1979 that he called a ''surprise number.'' The next regular dividend, however, failed to materialize. DeLuna recorded the reason: A key skimmer got sick. FBI agent William N. Ouseley, who found the books hidden in the basement, attic, and ventilating ducts of DeLuna's house, had no trouble cracking the code that camouflaged the various entries. No. 22, for example, stood for Chicago boss Joe Aiuppa. No. 21 was Aiuppa's enforcer, Jackie Cerone. The nicknames ''Fancypants'' or ''Beerman'' applied to Frank Balistrieri, the Milwaukee boss. ''ON'' (for onorevole, meaning honorable in Italian) was Nick Civella, the Kansas City Mafia chief and DeLuna's boss. DeLuna was a cautious accountant. If he did not actually see the money change hands, he said so to distance himself from any defalcations. He embarked on an important mission in 1978. His assignment: to force Allen R. Glick (''Genius''), the licensed owner of the Stardust and another casino- hotel, the Fremont, to sell out or risk the murder of his two children. The mob, which had begun to distrust Glick, thought it could skim more under another owner. In Las Vegas, DeLuna met first with three members of the Mafia's skimming team: Carl Thomas (''CT'' in the ledger page below), a gambling boss at the Tropicana; Joe Agosto (''Ceaser''), casino manager at the Tropicana; and Frank ''Lefty'' Rosenthal (''Craze''), the mob's man at the Stardust. Next he met Glick, who two days later announced his casinos were for sale. Four days after DeLuna left for Las Vegas, his wife, Sandy (''San''), followed for the weekend. True to form, DeLuna's accounts show that he paid ''personally for San's fare out and in and also for any personal purchases.'' As one of DeLuna's cronies confided to the FBI, ''He kept track of who got what, just so if anybody asked, he could show everything was right, that he hadn't grabbed a dime of that money for himself.'' The carefully kept records were only partially responsible for the jailing of Chicago's then Mafia leaders, Aiuppa and Cerone. The testimony provided by Glick, who told about the threats the mob used to force him to unload his casinos, also helped. So did the mob's avarice. The Chicagoans might never have turned up in DeLuna's ledgers if they had not tried to make the most of their role as conciliators. They tried to mediate between the bosses in Kansas City, Milwaukee, and Cleveland who got to squabbling over the casino spoils in 1975. For their efforts the Chicago mob demanded a 25% fee.

DeLuna's books depict Mafia benevolence toward both the greedy and the needy. In 1979, $1,500 went to then Kansas City Teamster chief Roy Williams, code-named ''Rancher,'' who used his influence to help arrange Teamster loans to the mob-controlled casino-hotels. The skimming money also supported a welfare program. DeLuna once noted that after he, Civella, and the others divided some $30,000, smaller amounts ranging from $1,000 to $3,000 were handed out to elderly Mafiosi and to the families of imprisoned mobsters.

Was new york ever involved with the las vegas skim? You would think they were, being the biggest mob city in the U.S

No like FiveFelonies said, New York had sold off their share of the casinos, the murder of Bugsy pretty much marked the change in power in vegas from New York to Chicago.

Although Chicago Did go to Tony Salerno when they were trying to sell the Stardust in the 80s, when steve wynn was supposedly blocking the sale, there were wiretaps in Salernos social club between Salerno and Tronlone, where Salerno was promised a a share of sale of the Stardust if he could get wynn to stop blocking the sale. But i believe Salerno was arrested before he could intervene.

The Geneveses also had soldier Filippo "Springfield Sam" Manarite who was active in Las Vegas for decades.

So who is older baby shacks from r.I. or john no nose cause I'm just saying even thou baby shacks step down as boss he still had his 2 or more strip clubs giving him 3 k a piece. He never had a legit job or company but if you read his files he was hiding out in chitown in the 70tys threw one of carlisi guys. Its in that stuff always posted but I accessed to many times. I believe there was never a meeting since the bosses in NYC since 2k Colombia made a rebound till tommy shots old crew of cop killers flipped in 2008 well after Massimo was espoused as a rat. Tommy shots probably had the baddest crew in NYC I'm sure everyone knew about there kills plus there persico connection.

If, by "skim," one means the skimming involving the Argent casinos and the Strawman case, then the answer would be no. But those weren't the first time the mob was using front men to hide their hidden ownership while skimming off the top. So the answer would be yes if one goes back during the late 1940's -late 1960's time frame.

Thanks ivy for the input. Do you think its possible commission meetings occur without the public knowing?

Yeah. We probably wouldn't have known about the 2000 meeting when we did if Sal Vitale hadn't flipped.

the commission still meets but chicago doesn't make anybody anymore?

that logic seems a little off but maybe it's just me

First, I said it was possible the Commission still met. If one wants to consider emissaries from the NYC the Commission.

Second, when did I positively say the Outfit doesn't make anyone anymore?

You really are just a troll now, cook. Constantly defending the honor of an organization that wouldn't let you clean their toilets. Congrats.

oh yeah because the outfit doesn't do business with black people because they're black

you scream about fbi qoutes like it's gospel but only when it pertains to chicago

if they send 5 gerbils into a sandbox and say it's a NYC commission meeting then it's such

That's not what he implied. And sure, as long as there's money to be made, they'll do business with Black people.

But the general feeling among Italian Americans in that line of work is that Blacks are animals. I repeat that, Fucking ... Animals. That's why it's so confusing that you, a Black man, hold them in such high regard .

Seriously cook, listen to Ivy and PB. And PB would know especially. And Italian gangsters aren't the only ones who consider blacks beneath them, the older Irish generations in Boston, especially in places like Charlestown and Southie fucking despise blacks.

@pizzaboy & @joeschmo



do u think i give a flying fuck about what a racist feels about black people?

the mafia calls black people animals but doesn't say shit about pedophile priest

very hypocritical

We fucking despise black people in Jersey to.

Why the hostility towards Black people?

The Irish have a lot in common with the Blacks. They were called white n*ggers by the English. Up until the 60's, there were signs advertising work baring the message "no blacks, no dogs, no Irish".

The Italians too were looked down upon as a lower class of people.

Us Irish, Italians and Blacks have got to stick together. We have a shared history of persecution from a shared enemy.

And this strengthens your argument as a black man apologist for chicago mafia racists and thugs how?

@dellacroce


yall just despise the thought of a black man making your (wife/daughter/sisters/etc.) orgasm

that's where the "hatred" stems from

Nope, but nice try, just the fact that they be some ignant ass mudda fuckas! And every single one of your posts support that line of thinking.

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