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NFL 2013 #737708
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Well, Tebow was cut by the Patriots and has probably heard his last hurrah in the NFL. How does this continue to happen? Tebow, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy ... the list goes on of college star QBs that fall flat in the NFL. Is it bad scouting? Are they placed in offensive schemes that don't use their talents effectively? Do they play for just plain bad teams?


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, Tebow was cut by the Patriots and has probably heard his last hurrah in the NFL. How does this continue to happen? Tebow, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy ... the list goes on of college star QBs that fall flat in the NFL. Is it bad scouting? Are they placed in offensive schemes that don't use their talents effectively? Do they play for just plain bad teams?

I often wonder about this myself, i think alot of it has to do with the type of offenses they run in college, like alot of offenses center around option play and the wildcat formation and players that specialize in that dont always adjust into the nfl that well. And not to mention that the defensive schemes are much more complicated in the pros and some QBs have trouble reading them. There were a lot of people that forsaw that tebow would not be succesful in the nfl bc of the type of player he was in college.


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Re: NFL 2013 [Re: Dellacroce] #737718
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Surely somebody will pick him up??


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Re: NFL 2013 [Re: Dellacroce] #737740
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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
i think alot of it has to do with the type of offenses they run in college, like alot of offenses center around option play and the wildcat formation and players that specialize in that dont always adjust into the nfl that well. And not to mention that the defensive schemes are much more complicated in the pros and some QBs have trouble reading them.


Good points. Yes, the college offenses seem to be more freelance than the pros and I imagine that pro defenses are immensely more complicated than those in college. It appears that alot of college QBs are not trained to see the field and read, but to focus on their main target.


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Re: NFL 2013 [Re: olivant] #737803
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In college talent can carry you. In the NFL you need talent and dedication and a work ethic to always get better. Also the stuff mentioned before. And add in a bunch of factors like coaching and injuries and schemes and so on.

Nobody thought Tebow was going to light up the NFL as a passer. Or Colt McCoy, but I dont think anyone thought Russel Wilson would either.




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Re: NFL 2013 [Re: Dellacroce] #738603
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Broncos Julius Thomas looked pretty good last night!!


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One of the factors in the NFL that takes a lot of QB's by surprise is the speed of the game. Where there is a bit of forgiveness in college ball, a pass cannot be late or delivered behind a receiver.


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Pittsburgh's offensive line was truly offensive. The Giants served up more turnovers than a Pillsbury bake-off. The Patriots and Colts squeaked out wins against weak teams. And the Jets use a late hit in the final ticks of the game clock to steal a win.

You have to love week one.

My favorite scene of the day was the line of Bills fans, handcuffed, dressed in orange prison jumpsuits with Aaron Hernandez's name and number on the back, and chained together.

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The NFL confirmed that the Super Bowl's halftime performer will be Bruno Mars.

Well, maybe the game will be good.

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
The NFL confirmed that the Super Bowl's halftime performer will be Bruno Mars.

Well, maybe the game will be good.


smile


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I couldnt believe Eli threw all them interceptions. Other then that there was A LOT of good plays from the Giants that night.


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I have to be honest though, I was pretty mad when the Giants loss to the Cowboys. I cant stand that team!!


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Re: NFL 2013 [Re: klydon1] #739474
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Pittsburgh's offensive line was truly offensive.


Oh, too cute!


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Re: NFL 2013 [Re: klydon1] #739668
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Originally Posted By: klydon1
The NFL confirmed that the Super Bowl's halftime performer will be Bruno Mars.

Well, maybe the game will be good.


At least it won't be Miley Cyrus. rolleyes


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Originally Posted By: MaryCas
Originally Posted By: klydon1
The NFL confirmed that the Super Bowl's halftime performer will be Bruno Mars.

Well, maybe the game will be good.


At least it won't be Miley Cyrus. rolleyes


Or Justin Boobie??


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The Jets and Patriots put me to sleep last night even though the game was close. I blame some of it on the dullness of the NFL Network telecast.

Re: NFL 2013 [Re: Dellacroce] #739688
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Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, Tebow was cut by the Patriots and has probably heard his last hurrah in the NFL. How does this continue to happen? Tebow, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy ... the list goes on of college star QBs that fall flat in the NFL. Is it bad scouting? Are they placed in offensive schemes that don't use their talents effectively? Do they play for just plain bad teams?

I often wonder about this myself, i think alot of it has to do with the type of offenses they run in college, like alot of offenses center around option play and the wildcat formation and players that specialize in that dont always adjust into the nfl that well. And not to mention that the defensive schemes are much more complicated in the pros and some QBs have trouble reading them. There were a lot of people that forsaw that tebow would not be succesful in the nfl bc of the type of player he was in college.


I think a couple of factors come into play. First, the speed of the NFL game is so different than in college. In the NFL, you rarely see any player have speed that is far & away greater than other players on the field. Whereas college there is bigger discrepancy. Second, I think the issue of accuracy is a huge factor with the success (or lack thereof) from college to the pros. Quinn, Tebow, and countless others struggled in college with accuracy. That is not correctable in the pros, where the window and split second a receiver is open is dramatically less than in college.

And as Dellacroce pointed out, the ability to read a defense is what separates the Andrew Lucks and the JaMarcus Russells. Defenses are far more complex and deceptive in the pros, which many of the college QBs are not used to seeing and fail to make the adjustment once they get to the NFL.

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And yes Goombah, how many times in college to you see receivers Wiiiiiiiiiiiiide open, a crappy pass is thrown and completed anyway.


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Goombah makes some excellent points. Whereas many college receivers make it easy for their qbs by running away from defenders, in the NFL everyone in the secondary can run. Also the coverages and blitz schemes are far more complex in the NFL than in the best college programs.

One measure that's been helpful in determining what college qbs will find success in the pros is the rule of 26-27-60. A qb, who scores at least a 26 on the Wonderlic, has startes 27 college games as qb, and completed 60% of his passes has a high probability of being a successful pro qb.

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Goombah makes some excellent points. Whereas many college receivers make it easy for their qbs by running away from defenders, in the NFL everyone in the secondary can run. Also the coverages and blitz schemes are far more complex in the NFL than in the best college programs.

One measure that's been helpful in determining what college qbs will find success in the pros is the rule of 26-27-60. A qb, who scores at least a 26 on the Wonderlic, has startes 27 college games as qb, and completed 60% of his passes has a high probability of being a successful pro qb.


That's a good measuring stick, Klydon. However, I think the 27 college starts is not enough of a barometer. Especially with the creampuff schedules so many Division I teams play. It happens much less frequently these days, but most of these QBs need to play at least 3 seasons worth of college games. But even guys like Quinn, Leinhart, Vince Young, and Carson Palmer were blue chippers who have had average to subpar pro careers. They simply benefited from having great talent surrounding them at the collegiate level that was missing in the pros.

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Yogi, my Steelers will be in London end of the month toplay the Vikings. Are you a fan? It'll play at 1PM EST here; what time is that in London?


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Originally Posted By: olivant
Yogi, my Steelers will be in London end of the month toplay the Vikings. Are you a fan? It'll play at 1PM EST here; what time is that in London?


That will be a 6pm kick off here Oli. Apparently it was the quickest selling Wembley game yet so I reckon there will be a lot of Steeler fans in the house. I shall be watching and rooting for the Steelers!!


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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
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Yogi, my Steelers will be in London end of the month toplay the Vikings. Are you a fan? It'll play at 1PM EST here; what time is that in London?


That will be a 6pm kick off here Oli. Apparently it was the quickest selling Wembley game yet so I reckon there will be a lot of Steeler fans in the house. I shall be watching and rooting for the Steelers!!


Bravo! They lost to the Bengals last night, but they showed some good stuff nonetheless. As the season continues, I think they'll significantly improve.


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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
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Yogi, my Steelers will be in London end of the month toplay the Vikings. Are you a fan? It'll play at 1PM EST here; what time is that in London?


That will be a 6pm kick off here Oli. Apparently it was the quickest selling Wembley game yet so I reckon there will be a lot of Steeler fans in the house. I shall be watching and rooting for the Steelers!!


I'm sure there'll be many Terrible Towels flying in Wembley.

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
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Originally Posted By: olivant
Yogi, my Steelers will be in London end of the month toplay the Vikings. Are you a fan? It'll play at 1PM EST here; what time is that in London?


That will be a 6pm kick off here Oli. Apparently it was the quickest selling Wembley game yet so I reckon there will be a lot of Steeler fans in the house. I shall be watching and rooting for the Steelers!!


I'm sure there'll be many Terrible Towels flying in Wembley.


Most definitely cool


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What's with Cleveland trading Trent Richardson their first round pick in May (#3 overall) for the Colts' first rounder next year (likely to be in the 20s overall)?

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
What's with Cleveland trading Trent Richardson their first round pick in May (#3 overall) for the Colts' first rounder next year (likely to be in the 20s overall)?


You have not noticed a pattern of idiotic moves from the Cleveland front office since 1999? This trade will be a good move if they draft a franchise QB in next year's draft. However, nothing in Cleveland's draft history in the past 14 years indicates that they will get it right.

This front office - rightly so - did not like the players brought in by Mike Holmgren. Thus the exodus of Weeden as the starting QB and trading Richardson.

This trade is interesting because Richardson has been average (3 yds p/carry), comes out on 3rd down, and has already had 3 injuries since being drafted. Enter Indy, who lost their starting RB for the season last week. They overpaid for Richardson, who will benefit from a better QB in Luck. But Richardson is a small back who I think will continue to be hampered by injuries. So I think Cleveland was wise to land a #1 pick for him which they wouldn't have gotten in the offseason. And I think had Indy not lost its running back and not had a franchise QB in place, they would not have overpaid with a #1 pick.

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