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Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese] #663207
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
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Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".


LMAO haha!

I just posted it cause it shows that the pics you posted before were taken at a bad time. Most of the time these guys do present themselves in a decent manner. Especially if they are gonna be around people that are important.

The black gangs continue to dress like bums, no matter who they are in front of. Mobsters atleast have the decency to show some class in the way they dress.

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To you he dresses like a bum, to his community and peers he's dressed to impress.


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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
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Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".


LMAO haha!

I just posted it cause it shows that the pics you posted before were taken at a bad time. Most of the time these guys do present themselves in a decent manner. Especially if they are gonna be around people that are important.

The black gangs continue to dress like bums, no matter who they are in front of. Mobsters atleast have the decency to show some class in the way they dress.


Sigh...you clearly are narrow-minded.
If the grandpa-costume of Sarno is what you call decent, then the clothes this Philadelphia Black Mafia member wears are equally decent :

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Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".


LMAO haha!

I just posted it cause it shows that the pics you posted before were taken at a bad time. Most of the time these guys do present themselves in a decent manner. Especially if they are gonna be around people that are important.

The black gangs continue to dress like bums, no matter who they are in front of. Mobsters atleast have the decency to show some class in the way they dress.


Sigh...you clearly are narrow-minded.
If the grandpa-costume of Sarno is what you call decent, then the clothes this Philadelphia Black Mafia member wears are equally decent :


How can you even compare the two pictures?

That guy was from the 60's. Blacks dressed different back then. They even had hairstyles that white people would wear.

Nowdays, a black gang member dresses in baggy dirty jeans and and oversized bubble coat in a courtroom.

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You know what. I'm going to pull out of this discussion. You are 100% right !

THIS is a member of the mafia :



While THIS is a member of a black gang :


End of discussion ! Enjoy your victory

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
You know what. I'm going to pull out of this discussion. You are 100% right !

THIS is a member of the mafia :



While THIS is a member of a black gang :


End of discussion ! Enjoy your victory


HAHA Fucking hilarious.

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Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.

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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
You know what. I'm going to pull out of this discussion. You are 100% right !

THIS is a member of the mafia :



While THIS is a member of a black gang :


End of discussion ! Enjoy your victory


Yeah that whole debate was sort of retarded to begin with. Im sure ive seen that black guy on tv or in a few movies or something.

Anyway to get back to the original theme of the thread.

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A hardcore rap group comprised of rappers christopher roney aka cool c, warren mcglone aka steady b and ultimate faze.The trio released their only album, Countin' Endless Bank, on Ruffhouse Records in 1993, to disappointing sales and reviews. The single "Get the Point" reached #5 on Billboard's Hot Rap Singles.

On January 2, 1996, during the same time period that he was recording a comeback EP,[2] Roney, along with C.E.B. band mate McGlone (a.k.a. Steady B), and another local Philadelphia rapper, Mark Canty, attempted a bank robbery at a PNC bank branch in Philadelphia. During the botched heist, Roney shot and killed Philadelphia Police Officer Lauretha Vaird, who responded to the bank's silent alarm.[3][4] As he exited the bank, Roney exchanged fire with another police officer, before he and Canty dropped their weapons at the scene and fled in a stolen minivan driven by McGlone.[5]
Vaird, an African-American woman and the single mother of two children, was the first female Philadelphia Police officer killed in the line of duty.[6]
Roney was arrested and on October 30, 1996, convicted of first degree murder.[3] At his subsequent sentencing hearing, Roney was sentenced to death by lethal injection. On January 10, 2006, his death warrant was signed by Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell and his execution date was set for March 9, 2006.[7] He was granted a stay of execution from Pennsylvania Judge Gary Glazer on February 1, 2006 until all post-conviction litigation is resolved.[8]
Roney has steadfastly maintained his innocence throughout the trial and appeals process, despite the testimony of three eyewitnesses who placed him at the scene of the robbery, as well as ballistic and forensic evidence and surveillance video that linked him to the murder.[2][5] He is currently an inmate at Pennsylvania’s State Correctional Institution at Greene.

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Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.


Wearing a suit is just as much psychological as it is a status statement. If you dress the part, you more than likely will have more confidence. Just like in any profession this will lead to you doing a better job most of the time.

Say you want to be taken seriously? What kind of outfit will gain you more respect? A stylish suit or a pair of oversized baggy jeans that are falling off your ass and a dirty t-shirt?

Wear the suit proudly I say.

P.S. Don't forget to shave and put on your deodorant either.

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Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gangster

The definition of gangster the 2nd one fits drug runners imo.

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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.


Wearing a suit is just as much psychological as it is a status statement. If you dress the part, you more than likely will have more confidence. Just like in any profession this will lead to you doing a better job most of the time.

Say you want to be taken seriously? What kind of outfit will gain you more respect? A stylish suit or a pair of oversized baggy jeans that are falling off your ass and a dirty t-shirt?

Wear the suit proudly I say.

P.S. Don't forget to shave and put on your deodorant either.


Although ill agree that street gang members like to wear baggy clothes. I don't think they are wearing dirty t shirts and jeans evrywhere they go, in fact they seem to keep up with the latest fashion trends. Also do you think that mobsters are wearing suits every day.
heres a picture of gaeton lucibello a philly mobster wearing a baggy sean john track suit which is p.diddys clothing brand.


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You can try to persuade Wilson into thinking some black criminals are 'real gangsters' and do dress decent, but I guess it won't do much help grin

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well i I'm not really bothered about his stance on black gangsters not being real gangsters and im not trying to persuade him of anything, its his opinion at the end of the day. His reasoning behind it just doesnt make any sense, making the way they dress to some sort of significance is just irrelevant.

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well i I'm not really bothered about his stance on black gangsters not being real gangsters and im not trying to persuade him of anything, its his opinion at the end of the day. His reasoning behind it just doesnt make any sense, making the way they dress to some sort of significance is just irrelevant.

That's it: reasoning with the unreasonable won't get anyone far. Black and latino street gangs have an unlimited amount of criminal potential in the US, if only in numbers. Unfortunatly for them the G is less naive these days, and they've got a different structure, with sets fighting amongst each other and all. That doesn't really help. But then again most Italians in the early Black Hand days where also just ghetto street gangs praying on their own people. Being a gangster is not a fashion statement, and gangsterism is an equal opportunty employer.

And thanks for the very informative post.

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Being a gangster is not a fashion statement, and gangsterism is an equal opportunty employer.

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Out Da Cutt Records.

Members of Large Alaska Drug Conspiracy Indicted
Indictment Includes Members of a Local Rap Group Who Sang About Drug Trafficking
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ANCHORAGE—U.S. Attorney Karen L. Loeffler announced that seven men and one woman were arrested during a joint federal and state takedown in Anchorage, Alaska; Atlanta, Georgia; and Rochester, New York. Eleven individuals were indicted by a federal grand jury in Anchorage on August 22, 2012, on charges of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute powder cocaine, oxycodone pills, and marijuana in Anchorage and Fairbanks. The indictment alleges that the conspiracy began in 2009 and continued through August 2012. The indictment detailed multiple shipments of cocaine to Alaska involving over 50 kilograms of cocaine.

The indictment names Donnell R. S. Johnson, a/k/a “D,” a/k/a “Creep”; Terrance S. Fleming, a/k/a “Baydilla,” a/k/a “Fatboy,” a/k/a “Rodney William Payne”; Antonio Fleming, a/k/a “Wookie,”; Dalon Johnson, a/k/a “DayDay,”; Tevoris Carter, a/k/a “Peanut,” a/k/a “Young Money”; Rock Edward Phelps, II, a/k/a “Skitzo Scoe,”; Demar Moultrie, a/k/a “Duckmane,” a/k/a “All Day”; Jeraelyn Hill, a/k/a “Dredhead,” a/k/a “Rae”; Jerry Wormley, Jr., a/k/a “Two-tone”; Emma Elizabeth Shine; and Brent Gunnels, a/k/a “BG,” as defendants.

The indictment alleges that Donnell Johnson, Terrance and Antonio Fleming, Dalon Johnson, Carter, Phelps, Moultrie, Hill, Wormley, and Shine would receive shipments of powder cocaine, oxycodone pills, and marijuana from sources in Nevada, California, and Washington and then distributed it in Anchorage and Fairbanks between 2009 and August 2012. The indictment alleges that Donnell Johnson, Terrance Fleming, Antonio Fleming, Dalon Johnson, Tavoris Carter, Rock Phelps, Demar Moultrie, and Jeraelyn Hill were affiliated with a local rap group known as UNDB (Up North “D” Boys), as well as Out Da Cutt Records. The indictment alleges that drug proceeds were used in an attempt to facilitate and legitimize the music careers of the members of the conspiracy by making it appear that they were profitable recording artists. These individuals produced and featured themselves in several music videos available on the website YouTube.com. In these videos, they perform under the stage names mentioned as aliases in the indictment, and lyrics to many of the songs refer to drug trafficking.

The indictment also alleges that Donnell Johnson, Shine, and Gunnels also conspired in an attempt to destroy evidence that was associated with the conspiracy located at one of Johnson’s residences in North Pole, Alaska. According to the indictment, the Donnell Johnson, Shine, and Gunnels conspired to remove a firearm and other evidence from the North Pole residence. Finally, the indictment seeks to forfeit property that facilitated the drug trafficking conspiracy, as well as property that constituted drug proceeds. Include are cash, custom jewelry, a firearm, 10 vehicles, and a house located on Dannilynn Circle in Anchorage.

Terrence Fleming, 32, formerly of Anchorage, was arrested on August 30, in a suburb of Atlanta, Georgia. Firearms, packaging material, and custom jewelry were seized from his residence.

Carter, 26, and Moultrie, 24, also who previously resided in Anchorage, were arrested on August 30 in Rochester, New York. Terrance Fleming, Carter, and Moultrie are being detained pending transfer back to Anchorage.

Antonio Fleming, 33; Emma Shine, 24; Dalon Johnson, 35; Rock Phelps, 26; and Jeraelyn Hill, 24, were arrested on August 30, in Anchorage. Crack cocaine and a gun were seized from Shine’s residence. Over $10,000 in cash was seized with a residence associated with Antonio Fleming. They were being arraigned in federal court this morning.

Donnell Johnson, 30, has been in custody since January 2012. The indictment alleges that he was responsible for distribution of cocaine in Fairbanks.

Police have not yet arrested Jerry Wormley, Jr., 34, and Brent Gunnels, 31, both of Fairbanks. Authorities are seeking information as to their whereabouts.

The case is being prosecuted by the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Alaska. The law provides for a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison with a maximum total sentence of life in prison, a fine of up to $10,000,000, or both. Under the federal sentencing statutes, the actual sentence imposed will be based upon the seriousness of the offense and the prior criminal history, if any, of the defendant.

The FBI Safe Streets Task Force; the Drug Enforcement Administration; Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigation Division; the U.S. Postal Inspection Service; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; and the Anchorage Police Department conducted the investigation that led to the indictment. They were assisted by federal and local law enforcement in Atlanta, Rochester, and Oakland.

An indictment is only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. A defendant is presumed innocent and is entitled to a fair trial at which the government must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Top 6 Gang began as a small rap group in Lake Worth and thrived until it became one of the most criminally successful and brutal gangs in South Florida. Top 6 has grown to include about 350 members who control at least 10 predominantly Haitian or Haitian-American neighborhood-based gangs in Lake Worth, Riviera Beach, West Palm Beach, Lantana and Boynton Beach. The gang has also spread to Miami, Orlando and Tallahassee. Top 6 has been linked to some of the counties most violent crimes, like the killing of Berno Charlemond, 24, shot to death at the Boynton Beach Mall on Christmas Eve 2006, and a March 2007 backyard massacre in which three men were killed and four others critically wounded in the rear of a Lake Worth home.

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Eazy-E Planned To Kill Suge Knight, According To Jerry Heller
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Jerry Heller claims that Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. "I should have let him kill him," Heller says. "I would have done the world a favor."

According to Ruthless Records co-founder Jerry Heller, Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. Heller recently revealed this in a radio interview, claiming that Eazy wanted to kill Knight and that he feels he "should have let him" do it.

In an interview with Prezident Bejda of The Murder Master Music Show, Heller explained how this conversation took place.

"Eazy said, 'You know this guy Suge Knight?' I said, 'Yeah.' He says, 'Well, I'm gonna kill him!' He said, 'This guy is gonna be a problem and I think I should kill him.' I said, 'Let me think this thing through. First of all, we're doing $10 million a month with six employees. We don't even have a typewriter in the office. We're the most successful start-up record company in the history of the music business and you want to kill this guy? That just doesn't make any sense to me.'"

Heller then explained that he regrets talking Eazy out of it.

"You know something? I should have let him kill him. You know? I would have done the world a favor. He would have done it for sure by himself. He always rolled by himself and he was fearless...I think that he was going to go do it. I took him seriously."

"He was right and I was wrong," he later added. "I shouldn't have talked him out of it. Ruthless would probably still be around. Dr. Dre and Ice Cube would probably still be with Ruthless. It would have been an empire." http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.23...to-jerry-heller
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Wasnt scarfa jr shot with a mac10or something in a crowded public restaurant?on halloween of all nights when kids are everywhere?there are black and white and fukn asian gangsters


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Leader of Anchorage Hip Hop Label 'Out Da Cutt' and Group 'UNDB' Pleads Guilty to Drug Conspiracy
By GW Rastopsoff | Alaska Native News 08/23/2013 10:22:00
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The owner/operator of the Anchorage Hip Hop label "Out Da Cutt" and leader of the Hip Hop group "UNDB," Terrance Fleming, pled guilty in federal court on Thursday to Drug Conspiracy. 13 of his co-conspirators have already pled guilty to charges stemming from the case and most have already been sentenced.
Fleming, also known as "Baydilla," admitted in court that he had imported between 50 and 150 kilos(110 to 330 pounds) of cocaine into Alaska between 2009 and 2012. As leader of the conspiracy, he imported the drug from Nevada and Washington to be sold in Fairbanks and Anchorage.


The conspirators portrayed an extravagant lifestyle in the music and videos, this lifestyle was supported by their drug sales. Like his other conspirators, Fleming attempted to conceal the drug trafficking receipts as proceeds from legitimate business, namely as artists, employees and promoters of the Anchorage recording label and members of the rap group.
Fleming agreed to forfeit his jewelry and necklaces with pendants that displayed the words "King of Alaska," "AJC," and "Baydilla" with an estimated worth of $200,000, expensive vehicles and cash as part of the plea agreement.
Fleming was indicted along with 13 other members of the conspiracy located in Anchorage and Fairbanks. Christopher Anderson was previously sentenced to 14 months in prison on November 2, 2012. DeMarr Moultrie was sentenced to 40 months in prison on May 1, 2013. Jeraelyn Hill was sentenced to 66 months in prison on May 28, 2013. Jerry Wormley was sentenced to 36 months in prison on May 31, 2013. Rock Phelps II was sentenced to 18 months in prison on June 14, 2013. Brent Gunnels was sentenced to 6 months in prison on August 2, 2013. Mihla Hall was sentenced to 28 months in prison on August 21, 2013.
Donnell Johnson, Joshua Mustovich, Antonio Fleming, Dalon Johnson, Tevoris Carter, and Emma Shine, have all pled guilty for their roles in connection with the conspiracy and await sentencing.
Fleming faces a maximum sentence of life imprisonment on the drug conspiracy.
- See more at: http://alaska-native-news.com/general-ne...h.llnpALyO.dpuf

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Did a black gang banger have sex with your wife?

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Eazy-E Planned To Kill Suge Knight, According To Jerry Heller
by ANDRES VASQUEZ
posted May 11, 2013 at 7:55PM GMT+0100 | 186 comments


Jerry Heller claims that Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. "I should have let him kill him," Heller says. "I would have done the world a favor."

According to Ruthless Records co-founder Jerry Heller, Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. Heller recently revealed this in a radio interview, claiming that Eazy wanted to kill Knight and that he feels he "should have let him" do it.

In an interview with Prezident Bejda of The Murder Master Music Show, Heller explained how this conversation took place.

"Eazy said, 'You know this guy Suge Knight?' I said, 'Yeah.' He says, 'Well, I'm gonna kill him!' He said, 'This guy is gonna be a problem and I think I should kill him.' I said, 'Let me think this thing through. First of all, we're doing $10 million a month with six employees. We don't even have a typewriter in the office. We're the most successful start-up record company in the history of the music business and you want to kill this guy? That just doesn't make any sense to me.'"

Heller then explained that he regrets talking Eazy out of it.

"You know something? I should have let him kill him. You know? I would have done the world a favor. He would have done it for sure by himself. He always rolled by himself and he was fearless...I think that he was going to go do it. I took him seriously."

"He was right and I was wrong," he later added. "I shouldn't have talked him out of it. Ruthless would probably still be around. Dr. Dre and Ice Cube would probably still be with Ruthless. It would have been an empire." http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.23...to-jerry-heller
radio interview with jerry heller


Yeah ive heard about this.Thanks for the remind.Although Suge was more of a connected guy and Eazy's death was very suspicious.I used to listen to Eazy E a lot when I was a kid.


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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.

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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.


Yeah you r right,i didn't say that Suge killed Eazy or in any way Eazy was killed.All I said that his death was a lil bit suspicious cuz he died from aids like what...in two weeks?Ok maybe he didnt know,maybe he was infected earlier but how come that no1 got infected around him?Not even his wife.This is one of thouse conspiracy bullshit chats but all I have to say is that Eazy was first of the gangsta rap artists that stepped foot in the white house with baggy jeans and a blue bandana.The fuckers ova there didn't even knew who was commin in.All they knew was that a music star gave some donation and they invited him on lunch.So when he came they didn't let him in but as Eazy once said "I paid a 200$ airplane ticket for 1000 000$ press" something like that....


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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.


Yeah you r right,i didn't say that Suge killed Eazy or in any way Eazy was killed.All I said that his death was a lil bit suspicious cuz he died from aids like what...in two weeks?Ok maybe he didnt know,maybe he was infected earlier but how come that no1 got infected around him?Not even his wife.This is one of thouse conspiracy bullshit chats but all I have to say is that Eazy was first of the gangsta rap artists that stepped foot in the white house with baggy jeans and a blue bandana.The fuckers ova there didn't even knew who was commin in.All they knew was that a music star gave some donation and they invited him on lunch.So when he came they didn't let him in but as Eazy once said "I paid a 200$ airplane ticket for 1000 000$ press" something like that....


yeah ur right, theres alot of conspiracy theories but you have to remember hiv was a sure death sentence back then, ive read that shit can lay dormant and undetected for at least two without any symptoms. The guy was a pioneer though for rap, with suge as much as i liked death rows music and find knights story interesting he is just an amoral sociopathic gangster and thug. I read a report recently saying he was pimping out women in las vegas, wouldnt be surprised if its true.

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INSIDE THE HIDDEN VALLEY KINGS
The Hidden Valley Kings took root in northern Charlotte in the late 1980s, with its original leaders moving in from Chicago. Since then the gang has moved into other communities, though many of its members still live in Hidden Valley.

Police say the Kings have three levels ranging from Tier 1 (gang leaders and veteran members) to Tier 3 (the gang’s most recent recruits known as BGs, or “Baby Gangsters.”)

In documents discussed in court Thursday, police say gang members control their neighborhoods through violence and intimidation. Police say the Kings run drugs to buy weapons and have been linked to crimes ranging from assault to robbery and murder.


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CHARLOTTE, N.C. (CN) - North Carolina and Charlotte sued a gang and its record label, claiming the gang uses its hip-hop label to promote its drug deals, armed robberies and drive-by shootings.
North Carolina and Charlotte sued the Hidden Valley Kings aka HVK aka ICEE Money [the record label], and three men: Wendell McCain, Kevin Funderbunk and Cordell Blair, in Mecklenburg County Court.
Charlotte claims it has no other adequate means of stopping gang members from associating with one another to plan and commit crimes.
The defendants claim Northeast Charlotte neighborhood of Hidden Valley as its turf.
The gang was formed in the late 1980s, and gained national attention when it was featured in an episode of "Gangland," titled "Killing Snitches," which was broadcast in 2009.
The city claims that the gang, which has developed a social hierarchy comprised of member "tiers," maintains a high profile via its rap label, ICEE Money, which stands for "I see money."
"According to its members, ICEE is a record label that promotes gangster rap," the state and city say in the lawsuit. "However, public source information provided by the 'promoters' on YouTube and Twitter accounts, along with interviews conducted by police with ICEE associates, clearly indicates that ICEE is predominately comprised of Tier 1 HVK members is being operated as a front for HVK.
"On information and belief, one of HVK's criminal gang activities is the organized sale and distribution of marijuana. The money from the sales is used in part to purchase firearms and provide income to Tier 1 members. Its members are known to carry large amounts of cash and have admitted to police officers that they are not otherwise lawfully employed.
"On information and belief, Tier 3 members or Baby Gangsters (BGs) are required to perform 'licks' in order to gain recognition. Licks are acts taken to benefit HVK and consist of such criminal offenses as the sale of illegal drugs and the commission of armed robberies. An example of a lick is the incident the occurred on June 18, 2013, when a Tier 3 member, Jaquez Walker attempted to rob a CMPD [Charlotte Municipal Police Department] informant after selling him a small amount of marijuana, whereby the informant was shot by Walker and Walker was in turn shot and killed by police. Jaquez Walker was a self-admitted Tier 3 member of HVK and was 17 years old at the time of his death.
"On information and belief, HVK is believed to be responsible for several drive-by shootings which are deployed to protect their turf or to retaliate against other gangs or persons. While the Hidden Valley Neighborhood in general is a safe place to live, the increase in HVK's violent actions threatens the health, safety and welfare of the neighborhood and surrounding areas."
The state and city claim: "The citizens who live and work in the Hidden Valley community are suffering immediate and irreparable harm in that they are being denied the quiet enjoyment of their homes and businesses due to the criminal street gang activity engaged in by the defendants and other indentified gang members."
The city seeks an injunction under the North Carolina Street Gang Nuisance Act, to prohibit gang members and associates from criminal gang activity.
The injunction would prohibit HVK members from driving, sitting, standing, walking, gathering or appearing anywhere in public with other gang members, except to attend church, school or counseling.
The city and state are represented by City Attorney Robert Hagemann.

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Record label releases rap album attacking DEA after drug probe

Posted: Tuesday, October 03, 2000
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HOUSTON - A record label whose founder was under investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration is releasing an album that taunts the agency and talks about killing informants.

DEA officials say they are disturbed by the contents of the CD, which mentions agents by name.

The boasts by rap artist Brad "Scarface" Jordan, whose album was being released Tuesday, stem from a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno from Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., sent on behalf of the rapper's label, Houston-based Rap-A-Lot Records, and its owner James A. Prince.

"Can't be stopped. Not even by a badge," one song declares, "(DEA Agent Jack ) Schumacher's been chasin' me. Tryin' to set me up. Bustin' down my streets. Lockin'up my dog, to see if he can catch me. But I don't sell no dope. ...(expletive) the DEA."

Waters' letter asks for an investigation of the DEA, but she denied a report Monday in The Dallas Morning News that she intervened to stop the investigation of Prince.

"My letter speaks for itself," Waters said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Nowhere in my letter does it ask to halt an investigation. My letter was based on the allegations that Mr. Prince was making about harassment and fear for his life. I told him if you don't have anything to hide, come to Washington to file a report."

On his CD, Jordan, who entered a guilty plea last year to a misdemeanor marijuana charge, brags of the "Rap-A-Lot mafia's" ability to derail a DEA investigation and the careers of drug agents.

In her letter, Waters said racial slurs, harassment, and racial profiling may have been involved in the investigation.

Neither Reno nor Waters put any pressure on the DEA to stop the investigation, said Ernest Howard, special agent-in-charge of the Houston office of the agency.

" Mr. Prince is black and I'm black," Howard said Monday. "I'm the one that assigned the case. I wasn't out to investigate a black man. I don't care if a trafficker is green, yellow or blue. I assigned it because there were allegations of drug trafficking."

Prince, who has not been charged as a result of the investigation, has said his company has done nothing illegal. Phone calls placed Monday by The Associated Press to his offices were not returned.

Prince has been arrested twice on minor drug and weapons charges that later were dropped. His label released a 1993 Geto Boys album containing lyrics in which the rappers threaten to shoot police. Prince complained on the best-selling album of a DEA conspiracy to target his record label.

"The mere fact that they would go that far in the back of my mind substantiates our investigation in that case," Howard said.

"It's typical gangster rap. They criticize law enforcement and criticize those providing allegations. They have made past accusations of police brutality and now they are talking about violence against people in law enforcement. There's a double-edged sword."

Howard said he thinks songs that say there is nothing wrong with harming law enforcement ends up hurting young people.

"They think because these are rock stars they are telling the truth," he said. "It really skews things."

He said inner city youths wouldn't consider him a role model "but every kid in the ... inner city knows who Scarface is."

Waters, in her letter to DEA officials, cited Schumacher's involvement in six fatal shootings. Authorities said each shooting involving the agent was justified.

Schumacher, a 27-year law enforcement veteran who directed the case through more than 20 state and federal convictions as well as cocaine seizures in Oklahoma City, Beaumont and Houston, was transferred last spring from active investigation to a desk job.

"It was my idea to reassign him for his own protection and the protection of this case," Howard said. "In this case if he did everything right from A to Z it would have been wrong to some people."

Jordan, whose new album is called "The Last of a Dying Breed," was one of several Rap-A-Lot associates arrested in a DEA inquiry and pleaded guilty in 1999 to misdemeanor marijuana charges in connection with the case.

DEA agent barred from investigation

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DALLAS (AP) - The lead agent in a probe of a rap recording company has been barred from involvement in the case just weeks after he testified before a Congressional committee that high-ranking politicians pressured federal officials to shut down the investigation.

Drug Enforcement Administration agent Jack Schumacher was taken off a drug probe of James A. Prince and his associates at Houston-based Rap-A-Lot Records and removed as liaison with the Harris County District Attorney's office in a move his attorney, Michael Hinton, said appears to be revenge for his testimony before Congress.

"What else could this be but retaliation?" Hinton told The Dallas Morning News for Saturday editions. "Jack Schumacher has got a tremendous background in this case. He knows it better than anybody. And less than two weeks after he tells Congress what went wrong, this happens?"

Schumacher and three Houston Police Department drug investigators in the Rap-A-Lot case told a congressional committee this month they were making substantial progress until the head of the DEA's Houston office ordered it stopped because of political pressure.

A DEA spokesman in Houston wouldn't comment and said the agency's Houston chief, Ernest L. Howard, was unavailable for comment. Howard has denied shutting down the investigation.

But officers testified Howard stopped the investigation shortly after U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, wrote a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno asking her to investigate allegations by Prince that he was subjected to racial slurs and profiling, and that he feared for his life by "rogue DEA agents."

Howard, who is black, has said the agency has not harassed Prince.

Prince has been arrested twice on minor drug and weapons charges that later were dropped. He complained on a best-selling 1993 Geto Boys album of a DEA conspiracy to target his record label. His company recently released a recording by Brad "Scarface" Jordan which taunts Schumacher and threatens to destroy agents' careers and kill informants. Jordan was arrested in the DEA inquiry and pleaded guilty in 1999 to misdemeanor marijuana charges.

Schumacher had 19 complaints filed against him while he was a Houston police officer and four as a DEA agent. He has been involved in nine shootings in which someone was killed. All were found to be justified.

He directed the case through more than 20 state and federal convictions.

Prosecutors said they worry Schumacher is being is being punished, and they will miss his expertise.

"I'm at least suspect about what's going on," assistant Harris County prosecutor Craig Goodhart told the Morning News. "Limiting our access to Jack makes it a little difficult for us to do things...He's been a clearinghouse for us. He's got a wealth of information, and we'd like to be able to use it."

Rap-A-Lot probe was to continue, DEA says

Attorney general requested inquiry into alleged civil rights abuses, but case was somehow closed
By Suzanne Gamboa
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WASHINGTON - Attorney General Janet Reno requested an inquiry into allegations of civil rights abuses in a Houston drug probe, but did not order the case closed, the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration said Thursday.
The inquiry Reno requested led to a series of events that ultimately resulted in the 1999 suspension of a joint DEA-Houston Police Department investigation of Rap-A-Lot Records and its founder James Prince.
DEA Administrator Donnie Marshall said any shutdown of the case was contrary to his orders.
"At no time did anyone tell me the criminal investigation was closed down," Marshall said. "And at no time did I have any reason to believe this criminal investigation was closed down."
The investigation's suspension prompted a probe by the House Government Reform Committee into whether political pressure led to the shutdown of the investigation.
Thursday was the second day of hearings on the matter. Committee members questioned why an investigation that had netted 20 convictions, including one for murder, was abruptly halted.
They also questioned why Prince's allegations, a suspect in a drug investigation, were given enough credibility to cause the temporary suspension of the lead investigator and his eventual transfer.
Rep. Maxine Waters, D-California, pleaded for Reno's help in an Aug. 20, 1999, letter saying Prince had been subjected to racial slurs, was illegally searched and stopped numerous times on "dark stretches of Texas highways."
Waters also told Reno that Prince feared for his life "at the hands of rogue officers" in the Houston DEA.
"Your agency truly doesn't look good," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., told Marshall. "It doesn't look good because it looks like an investigation was suspended ... because a subject of an investigation was able to go to a member of Congress and when the member of Congress issued a complaint to the Justice Department you all jumped overboard to accommodate."
On Wednesday, the Rap-A-Lot lead investigator and three Houston police detectives said they were told in September 1999 the case was shut down because of political pressure.
Their testimony conflicted with that of Houston DEA Special Agent Ernest Howard, who said he suspended investigative work without permission from supervisors pending the outcome of the internal DEA investigation of Prince's allegations.
Prince is black, as are Waters, Howard and two of the police officers in the investigation.
The witnesses were recalled Thursday to clarify the inconsistencies.
"I know what the truth is. I know what I did and didn't do," Howard said, adding he would work one more year at the Houston job.
Howard's recollection of his action on the case was corroborated in a letter written to committee chairman Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., and James Nims, the supervisor of the group investigating Rap-A-Lot.
Nims said Howard had told him the case was suspended pending the conclusion of the internal investigation and "there was to be no enforcement action taken unless it was cleared through the chain of command."
The internal investigation found that Prince's allegations against lead investigator Jack Schumacher were unsubstantiated. Another agent accused of stealing a defendant's necklace was reprimanded for not following procedures for handling evidence.

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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.


Yeah you r right,i didn't say that Suge killed Eazy or in any way Eazy was killed.All I said that his death was a lil bit suspicious cuz he died from aids like what...in two weeks?Ok maybe he didnt know,maybe he was infected earlier but how come that no1 got infected around him?Not even his wife.This is one of thouse conspiracy bullshit chats but all I have to say is that Eazy was first of the gangsta rap artists that stepped foot in the white house with baggy jeans and a blue bandana.The fuckers ova there didn't even knew who was commin in.All they knew was that a music star gave some donation and they invited him on lunch.So when he came they didn't let him in but as Eazy once said "I paid a 200$ airplane ticket for 1000 000$ press" something like that....


The guy was a pioneer though for rap, with suge as much as i liked death rows music and find knights story interesting he is just an amoral sociopathic gangster and thug. I read a report recently saying he was pimping out women in las vegas, wouldnt be surprised if its true.


Yeah I wouldn't be surprised also cuz Suge is/was a thug.He started as a bodyguard for Dre I think and before that he was connected to some piru gang.When he became the top guy in death row he made a lot of famous artists feel comfortable around him and by that most of em felt into his "spider web" and in the end they got played.Btw I will never forget the video when he got kocked the fuck out by some dude(barber I think)few years ago.I was laughin my ass off...


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yeh that was funny, im sure another video came out of him confronting the guy again at a vegas casino. Alot of his muscle started getting killed off in a feud with a disgruntled former deathrow blood including the gang member he alledgly hired to kil biggie, wardell fouse. i posted it up before but it gives more detail its also i blelieve why he has fallen so low.http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/01/business/fi-suge1


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