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#728424 - 07/21/13 10:47 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
PolicyKing Offline

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
That's why I said to a certain degree I agree but disagree. We all know that the younger generation are mostly knuckleheads but then these gangs aren't 100% juveniles. I'm speaking on the members that are older ( mid-20s and up) and still organized. Recall that those 18 or so BDs that got arrested and among them a high ranking leader, the street gang rico indictment on the black souls ( mainly westside mob) , earlier this year the Latin king leader that held the 2nd/3rd highest rank on the streets and giving orders. Those 3 cases and probably future more are proof that structure for some factions are still intact. Matter of fact it's a paradox for the Chicago law to enact a street gang rico if "all" the gangs are decentralized due to factions. By the way how was the party? Which side of the chi you from?


Ha ha the news makes me laugh sometimes in the way they report things. Yes there is and most likely will always be a structure to some extent for gangs in Chicago. The party was cool met a lot of interesting people were there, many whom are behind bars now or other

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#728427 - 07/21/13 10:52 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
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When the bd's went to the 3 kings struture was it an attempt to unite some of the factions?
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#728473 - 07/22/13 01:36 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
When the bd's went to the 3 kings struture was it an attempt to unite some of the factions?


To make a long and complex story short, Yes that was some of the reason the organization went to the 3 king structure

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#728474 - 07/22/13 01:39 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
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I would like to read the long and complex story
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#728475 - 07/22/13 01:40 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
At around 2007 donnell jehan got aturned himself in for being the leader of the bds but I can't find any info on how much time he got


Donnell Jehan is due to be release sometime in 2030 he is serving Fed time

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#728478 - 07/22/13 01:51 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
I would like to read the long and complex story


The name Freddie Black has been thrown around as a current BD leader, don't know how accurate that is at the present time.

As far as reading that long complex story to tell you the truth it hasn't been written it's mostly oral. There are some pieces and partial version floating around on the internet and in publications written by gang intelligence agencies and so-called "experts". How ever much of what is written is contradictory and sometimes just down wrong. It's wrong sometimes because the people writing it don't have a clue and sometimes it's incorrect because that's just how history is there is always more than one version of things.

An example how of wrong things can go sometimes is: The Chicago Crime Commission every few years puts out a book called the Gang Book and it list all of the gangs in the city, their leaders on the street and prison etc, the most recent edition of the book listed a man who has been dead for a few years as a current gang leader lol.

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#728640 - 07/22/13 09:29 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: PolicyKing]
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The chicago police department even denounced the book saying they weren't responsible for it when a number of people threatened to sue after they were featured in the book as gang members.

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#728694 - 07/22/13 11:39 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
cookcounty Offline

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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
When the bd's went to the 3 kings struture was it an attempt to unite some of the factions?



marvell Thompson didn't call it for all of the bd's

they switched to 3 bosses because of heat from the feds

plus they were at the point that they didn't need as much street money

they were involved in a lot of mortage deals

the feds pinched them because they were buying up a lot of property

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#728744 - 07/23/13 01:24 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
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They got caught cause they was mixing real estate with illegal business, they also found a bd rule book in one of his apartments
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#728803 - 07/23/13 03:34 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
They got caught cause they was mixing real estate with illegal business, they also found a bd rule book in one of his apartments



they didn't get pinched for real estate

they got indicted because they were becoming too powerful

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#728832 - 07/23/13 06:33 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: cookcounty]
BlackFamily Offline

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It's hard to make that statement about them becoming too powerful. There still are other tight knit black mobs such as the Black Souls, New Breeds, Mickey Cobras, and some 4 Corner Hustler's crews.

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#728898 - 07/23/13 06:34 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
thebigfella Offline

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Black organizations should stay away from street level drug dealing, only bad things happen
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#728900 - 07/23/13 06:38 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
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thats where they make all the money, i see what you mean but these guys are gangsters engaging in criminal activity bad things are gonna happen anyway.

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#728948 - 07/23/13 09:08 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
BlackFamily Offline

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Mid Level and Wholesale level as well. That's why they engage in gun trafficking and other activities on the side.

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#728982 - 07/23/13 10:12 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
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That and controlling the retail level open air drug markets which is what i meant by street level. Alot of them have individual members and associates who get guns through straw buyers in other states or through thefts, id post up a few articles but you dont want this thread turning into a gun control debate.

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#729010 - 07/23/13 11:16 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
cookcounty Offline

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@blackfamily

the bd's were buying up entire neighborhoods, plus construction, and mortage fraud

they were buying up alot of property

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#729037 - 07/23/13 11:54 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
PolicyKing Offline

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
It's hard to make that statement about them becoming too powerful. There still are other tight knit black mobs such as the Black Souls, New Breeds, Mickey Cobras, and some 4 Corner Hustler's crews.


Black souls are tight knit, but they only operate on the west side pretty much and they are pretty small. They're are I believe 4 groups of them each with it's own King. Mickey Cobra's and 4 corner Hustlers aren't mobs they are established gangs, the New Breeds are the first cousins of the BD's they are a gang as well

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#729038 - 07/23/13 11:56 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: Scorsese]
PolicyKing Offline

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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
The chicago police department even denounced the book saying they weren't responsible for it when a number of people threatened to sue after they were featured in the book as gang members.


With all that said it still is worth checking out for those who are interested in Chicago gangs. The edition before it is really worth checking out to get a good background on Chicago gangs.


Edited by PolicyKing (07/23/13 11:57 PM)

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#729041 - 07/24/13 12:00 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: cookcounty]
PolicyKing Offline

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: thebigfella
When the bd's went to the 3 kings struture was it an attempt to unite some of the factions?



marvell Thompson didn't call it for all of the bd's

they switched to 3 bosses because of heat from the feds

plus they were at the point that they didn't need as much street money

they were involved in a lot of mortage deals

the feds pinched them because they were buying up a lot of property


At one time he did call it for all the BD's remember before he became King his position was calling it for the whole city he was right up under Shorty Freeman. Then Freeman passed the Kingship on to him. Now at some point for various reasons some decided not to accept him and started breaking off and he too broke off from the folk nation with his own Blue 5 BD nation

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#729109 - 07/24/13 03:08 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: cookcounty]
BlackFamily Offline

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But have the new leadership continue where the old left off?

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#729125 - 07/24/13 03:49 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: PolicyKing]
BlackFamily Offline

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Actually Black Souls have a chapter on the south side and a few cities in another state. There are more than 4 groups, you have Mad Souls, Gangster, Impressionist, Outlaws, Cobras, and New Life ( there the ones hit by Rico}. Mickey Cobras have a steady leadership per say since 1954 and was trafficking some of the most purest heroin in Chicago ( a handful of users died from it). 4 Corner Hustlers,the name says it all in which they are the definition of a make a buck mob( drug trade, gun trade, extortion, gambling, prostitution, money laundering,etc.). The new breeds are a prison gang.

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#729175 - 07/24/13 10:01 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: PolicyKing]
cookcounty Offline

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Originally Posted By: PolicyKing
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: thebigfella
When the bd's went to the 3 kings struture was it an attempt to unite some of the factions?



marvell Thompson didn't call it for all of the bd's

they switched to 3 bosses because of heat from the feds

plus they were at the point that they didn't need as much street money

they were involved in a lot of mortage deals

the feds pinched them because they were buying up a lot of property


At one time he did call it for all the BD's remember before he became King his position was calling it for the whole city he was right up under Shorty Freeman. Then Freeman passed the Kingship on to him. Now at some point for various reasons some decided not to accept him and started breaking off and he too broke off from the folk nation with his own Blue 5 BD nation



marvell and shorty went to war in the late 90s

plus durk had his crew

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#729403 - 07/25/13 02:14 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
thebigfella Offline

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Whats the difference between a mob, gang, and nation?
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#729571 - 07/25/13 06:12 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
BlackFamily Offline

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Gamg and Mob can be synonymous but usually a mob is an organized gang or group involved in organized crime. A gang will always vary by definition, from a loose knit or tight knit group of criminals with little or no structure. A nation is what the Chicago street organizations refer to the themselves (Latin King Nation, Black Disciples Nation, etc.) .


Edited by BlackFamily (07/25/13 06:15 PM)

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#732426 - 08/07/13 03:15 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
PolicyKing Offline

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
Actually Black Souls have a chapter on the south side and a few cities in another state. There are more than 4 groups, you have Mad Souls, Gangster, Impressionist, Outlaws, Cobras, and New Life ( there the ones hit by Rico}. Mickey Cobras have a steady leadership per say since 1954 and was trafficking some of the most purest heroin in Chicago ( a handful of users died from it). 4 Corner Hustlers,the name says it all in which they are the definition of a make a buck mob( drug trade, gun trade, extortion, gambling, prostitution, money laundering,etc.). The new breeds are a prison gang.


No no my brohter the New Breed Blac Gangsters are NOT a prison gang they are deep in the streets. They ofcourse have members in prison but they fully operate on the steet they have several hoods in Chicago. They originally branched off from the Disciple nation.

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#732458 - 08/07/13 08:17 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: PolicyKing]
BlackFamily Offline

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They are technically a prison gang since they originated in state prison. They split from the BGs ( Black Gangsters) and wasn't a branch of the disciple nation. Back when they were BGs , they was under the BGD alliance. And before then the BGs was known as the Royal Family.

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#736809 - 08/26/13 12:59 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
PolicyKing Offline

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
They are technically a prison gang since they originated in state prison. They split from the BGs ( Black Gangsters) and wasn't a branch of the disciple nation. Back when they were BGs , they was under the BGD alliance. And before then the BGs was known as the Royal Family.


No my friend you get the history wrong. They didn't split from the BG there full name is New Breed Black Gangsters. They were a branch of the disciple nation they are considered to be the first cousins of the Black Disciples.

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#736827 - 08/26/13 05:38 AM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: PolicyKing]
BlackFamily Offline

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I think your misinformed my friend. It's just New Breeds , members consider the B.G moniker outdated. Their aren't a branch of the disciples nation. You recall that the BGDN from 1969 to 1978 was an umbrella alliance of many groups. The B.Gs during that time were originally the Royal Family then join the alliance and change their name to Royal Disciples. After 78 Boonie Black change the group to the Black Gangsters. Then a faction emerged in prison calling themselves New Breeds.

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#736849 - 08/26/13 02:06 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: BlackFamily]
cookcounty Offline

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new breeds are black gangsters

they just changed their name but they're still black gangsters

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#736854 - 08/26/13 02:41 PM Re: Black Disciples Promotes Peace [Re: thebigfella]
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Originally Posted By: thebigfella
I wonder what would happen if they got into book making and construction


LOL really?

I've never heard of a Black guy running a successful betting ring (no racism intended)
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