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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: U talkin' da me ??] #973220
06/16/19 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by U talkin' da me ??


That second shot was from a different gunman...on the grassy knoll.

Yes. We heard the gunshot on a Dictabelt carried by a motorcycle cop outside Louis Restaurant. wink


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: Turnbull] #973232
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by U talkin' da me ??


That second shot was from a different gunman...on the grassy knoll.

Yes. We heard the gunshot on a Dictabelt carried by a motorcycle cop outside Louis Restaurant. wink


I believe that the film was altered by MGM agents.


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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: The Corleone] #973240
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I'm still looking for Michael's hat on the way out. The gun's untraceable, but is the hat?


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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: mustachepete] #973241
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They didn't have DNA testing in that era. They might have been able to lift a fingerprint if he had a "Dewey for President" button pinned to the sweatband. wink


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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: Turnbull] #973242
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by U talkin' da me ??


That second shot was from a different gunman...on the grassy knoll.

Yes. We heard the gunshot on a Dictabelt carried by a motorcycle cop outside Louis Restaurant. wink


Which reminds me of this dialogue from Sonny:

"Now listen...I want somebody good --- and I mean very good, to plant that gun.

I don't want my brother to come out of that toilet with just his dictabelt in his hands. Allright."



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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #973243
06/17/19 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Italian Stallionette
Did you notice however, that it did take Michael a bit to find it? Remember he had to feel around a little? I always thought that was a nice touch to that scene. ohwell It seemed for a brief moment we saw a little panic/fear in Michael's face as he was feeling around for the gun, as though he was thinking it wasn't there. It wasn't like he just reached and retrieved it right away.


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With all of the searching and reaching for the gun that Michael did, I would think that some or part of Michael's finger prints got on the gun, on the part of the gun that wasn't taped. With a Captain being executed, you'd think the Dept. would go over the gun very thoroughly. But, I guess that there wasn't enough there to work with. Imagine that poor waiter being interrogated as to what the shooter looked like.


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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: The Corleone] #973273
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That small pistol doesn't have enough flat surface areas to get a full,unsmeared, identifiable clean print. If you touch something and touch it again fingerprints overlap and they're worthless. They didn't have very sophisticated means of fingerprinting and zero DNA testing then either. Not like today where they'd use the super glue vapor in a chamber to stick to the oils left behind with the print or computers that can match prints. And even then it's very hard to get clean prints and they aren't enough to convict someone of a crime in court if that's the only evidence. I'm sure the waiter wouldn't have identified Micheal or he would have "disappeared". Tom wouldn't have allowed Micheal to be fingerprinted or they would have gotten the prints throw out, etc.

Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: Goldy] #973274
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Originally Posted by Goldy
That small pistol doesn't have enough flat surface areas to get a full,unsmeared, identifiable clean print. If you touch something and touch it again fingerprints overlap and they're worthless. They didn't have very sophisticated means of fingerprinting and zero DNA testing then either. Not like today where they'd use the super glue vapor in a chamber to stick to the oils left behind with the print or computers that can match prints. And even then it's very hard to get clean prints and they aren't enough to convict someone of a crime in court if that's the only evidence. I'm sure the waiter wouldn't have identified Micheal or he would have "disappeared". Tom wouldn't have allowed Micheal to be fingerprinted or they would have gotten the prints throw out, etc.


Micheal's fingerprints are already on record as a serviceman, no??


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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: U talkin' da me ??] #973279
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Before the hit, Clemenza tells Michael not to worry about prints because he put a "special tape" on the trigger and butt. I have no idea whether that's an actual thing.

But Michael probably did touch other parts of the gun when he pulled it out from behind the toilet tank.

Last edited by The Last Woltz; 06/17/19 04:03 PM.

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Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: The Corleone] #973282
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Maybe, but what would they be able to pull prints off of? If you were a cop and you arrived on that crime scene, what would point you in his direction? Why would he be a suspect or would they approach that waiter with a photo of Michael asking if this was the shooter? We of course know all the details, I'm sure the cops would be well aware it's mob related, but after the Corleone's had released/printed info about McClusky being a dirty cop they probably preferred the story faded away rather than continue with some big investigation too don't forget.

Re: Michael killing the Turk [Re: The Corleone] #973300
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As Woltz points out, Michael most certainly would have touched other parts of the gun. Of course, prints examination by law enforcement of a homicide weapon would have been routine. However, those prints would probably have been smudged by Michael's placement of the gun in his pants and his pulling the gun out.

I thought it was curious though that when Michael pulled the gun from the back of the tank there was no tape on it. Most certainly, there would have to be. While Michael's pull on the gun would have released it from the tank, it would not have released it from the tape that was holding the gun in place.


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