Did LCN have a hand in blowing off JFK's head? If so who were the main players!

As Blakey often said, even if the mob wasn't involved they certainly benefited. The debates over who was behind JFK are endless. I'm convinced there was a conspiracy simply because I don't think Oswald (or just about anyone) could have gotten all those shots off like he did in that short amount of time. Two shooters = a conspiracy. Maybe the mob had some part in it but who knows? If so, I don't think it would have been just them. Guys like Marcello and Trafficante certainly wanted Kennedy dead. And once JFK was gone, it all but ended Bobby Kennedy's crusade against organized crime.

The main suspects were Carlos Marcello,Trafficante and Giancana.Rumours that two of the shooters were Johnny Roselli and Chuckie Nicoletti

Israel ? officially every one but them.

Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy.

http://www.amazon.com/Final-Judgment-Missing-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/0935036539

Do ya'll believe Frank Ragano in his book where he claims Trafficante admitted to him that Carlos had killed the wrong Kennedy or something like that?

Highly doubtful. Blakey's dog and pony show at the HSCA in the 70's was to steer away any scrutiny on the actual conspirators. At the most a disposable mechanic or two was used. The reason that mob inclusion is always part the JFK conspiracy tales is due to the close relationships of MOB ,anti-Castro and CIA(some of these actors were involved).Remember that the Warren Commission had no clue that the CIA/MOB were in cahoots to assassinate "The Beard". There are however scores of conspiracy theories that include Roselli along with Nicoletti and his driver at the time James Sutton aka Jimmy Files. Those theories have since been debunked.

Everytime questions about the assassination of JFK comes up, Sam Giancana's name comes up as well.

Nicoletti was from Chicago. As was Jack Ruby aka Sparky.

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A LITTLE UNPLEASANTNESS: JFK'S WAR WITH ISRAEL'S ALLIES AT THE CIA
Just six weeks before John F. Kennedy was shot, a top administration official warned that a CIA-orchestrated coup in America was a fearful possibility. The CIA-like its allies in Israel had good reason (in its own perception) to want to see JFK removed from the White House and replaced with Lyndon B. Johnson.
JFK's battle with the CIA over the Bay of Pigs debacle was just the beginning. JFK was-by the last days of his presidency-not only fighting the CIA's efforts to involve the United States ever more deeply in Southeast Asia, but he was also moving toward dismantling the CIA entirely. The CIA's very existence was in danger.
In 1972 the Washington Observer newsletter published perhaps what was one of the first hints-in print-that the Kennedy family itself suspected that the CIA had a hand in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
According to the Observer, "Back in 1963, shortly after President Kennedy's assassination, Robert F. Kennedy, while he was still Attorney General, conducted his own private investigation, which ran parallel with the official inquiry into the assassination conducted by the Warren Commission. Kennedy's investigation featured trips to this country by an Inspector Hamilton, former Chief Inspector of Scotland Yard. Hamilton, an old friend of Joseph P. Kennedy, had been retained by the attorney general to help unravel the real truth about the murder of JFK.
"After long conferring with the members of the Kennedy family and making a few discreet soundings with his own contacts, Hamilton zeroed on the fact that the assassination of John Kennedy had occurred very shortly after his brother Bobby had made some preliminary moves for direct personal control of the CIA, whose leadership he blamed for the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
"Hamilton, following the cui bono ("whom does it benefit?") reasoning, reached the conclusion that Bobby's move to seize control of the CIA had something to do with the murder of his elder brother."
KENNEDY MOVES AGAINST THE CIA
In his best-selling, Plausible Denial in which he pinpoints the CI A's role in the JFK assassination conspiracy, veteran JFK assassination investigator Mark Lane commented on the CIA's move against the president:
"If the CIA operatives, officers, and former officers believed that the defense of their Agency and their nation required the elimination of President Kennedy because he was about to dismantle their organization, one could comprehend, while neither accepting nor condoning their viewpoint, that their concept of self-defense required them to use deadly force. Most relevant, therefore, is not what Kennedy was or was not about to do vis-a-vis the CIA, but what the leaders of the Agency believed he might do.
"John F. Kennedy made it clear that he planned to destroy the CIA. The New York Times reported on April 25, 1966, under a subheadline, "Kennedy's Bitterness,' that 'as the enormity of the Bay of Pigs disaster came home to him, [Kennedy] said to one of the highest officials of his Administration that he wanted 'to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.'
"He clearly was not suggesting a modest legislative proposal or executive order to modify or reform the organization. The total destruction of the Agency was his apparent objective."
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CONTROLLING THE CIA
[Mark] Lane points out that Kennedy's preliminary actions against the CIA had already been set in motion and that the president was very clearly moving toward ultimate evisceration of the agency.
"[Kennedy] dealt with the CIA through the implementation of a threepoint emergency program designed to control the agency. He fired its most culpable and powerful leaders, he appointed a high-level committee, the Cuban study group, to investigate the misdeeds of the organization so that he might determine what additional short-range limitations were required and, in the interim, he dramatically reduced the powers and jurisdiction of the Agency and established strict limits as to its future actions through National Security Action memoranda."
"Kennedy then sought to control the Agency by sharply reducing its ability to act in the future through National Security Action Memoranda 55, 56 and 57. These documents, in theory, eliminated the ability of the CIA to wage war. The CIA would not be permitted to initiate any operation requiring greater firepower than that generated by handguns."
That all of these actions upset the CIA and its allies is undoubted. One man on the scene at the time was Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, who served as liaison between the Defense Department and the CIA during the relevant period.
According to Prouty, "Nothing I had ever been involved in my entire career had created such an uproar. NSAM 55 stripped the CIA of its cherished covert operations role, except for small actions. It was an explosive document. The military-industrial complex was not pleased."
THE CIA AND VIETNAM
However, Kennedy's conflict with the CIA went well beyond the issue of Cuba. The burgeoning issue of U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia had positioned the president at odds with the CIA even further.
By late 1963 JFK's conflict with the CIA was in full force and although it was not the subject of heated public discussion, the word was leaking out through official and un-official channels that there was something afoot at the highest levels.
On October 3 1963, the dean of America's newspaper columnists, Arthur Krock was writing frankly in the New York Times of Kennedy's war with the CIA - a war which was intensifying over the issue of Vietnam. Krock's front page article, in fact, was entitled, "The Intra-Administration War in Vietnam."
But what is so astounding about the column is that Krock quoted a high-level administration source as having suggested that if there were ever a coup d'etat in the United States, one might expect that it would be the CIA which was responsible-this just weeks before JFK was murdered.
The significance of this astounding column is that it was Arthur Krock who affixed his name to this explosive report: Krock was a longtime close friend and confidant of the Kennedy family and had even ghost-written several published works on behalf of the president's father, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy.
The columnist was a key Kennedy link in press circles and would have been the first and foremost choice of President Kennedy if JFK had wished to utilize the press to bring his conflict with the CIA into the public arena. As Mark Lane so aptly described the column: "This was John F. Kennedy sending out a message to the American people through his trusted conduit Arthur Krock."
This column remained forgotten in the wake of the president's assassination, but it was in 1992 that Lane surfaced the prophetic warning and began bringing it to the attention of American audiences who now had a renewed interest in the Kennedy assassination.
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[Mark] Lane described the column: "Krock pointed out that John F. Kennedy had gone to war against the CIA. He concluded that Kennedy no longer could control the CIA.
"The columnist stated that President Kennedy sent Henry Cabot Lodge, his Ambassador to Vietnam, with orders to the CIA on two separate occasions and in both cases the CIA ignored those orders, saying that it was different from what the agency thought should be done. In other words, the 15 CIA had decided that it-not the president-would make the decisions as to how American foreign policy should be conducted."
Lane pointed out that a source for Krock's column was a report filed for the Scripps-Howard newspapers by foreign correspondent Richard Starnes who had interviewed a number of high-ranking administration officials and others who expressed their concern about the CIA's intransigence.
A CIA-SPONSORED COUP D'ETAT?
According to Krock's column: "Among the views attributed to United States officials ... including one described as a "very high American official ... who has spent much of his life in the service of democracy... are the following:
The CIA's growth was "likened to a malignancy" which the "very high official was not sure even the White House could control... any longer."
"If the United States ever experiences [an attempt at a coup to overthrow the Government] it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon." The agency "represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone."
"Whatever else these passages disclose, they most certainly establish that representatives of other Executive branches have expanded their war against the CIA from the inner government councils to the American people via the press.
"And published simultaneously are details of the agency's operations in Vietnam that can come only from the same critical official sources. This is disorderly government. And the longer the President tolerates it-the period already is considerable-the greater the real war against the Vietcong and the impression of a very indecisive Administration in Washington.
"The CIA may be guilty as charged. Since it cannot, or at any rate will not, openly defend its record in Vietnam or defend it by the same confidential press briefings' employed by its critics, the public is not in a position to judge. Nor to this department, which sought and failed to get even the outlines of the agency's case in rebuttal.
"But Mr. Kennedy will have to make a judgment if the spectacle of war within the Executive branch is to be ended and the effective functioning of the CIA preserved. And when he makes this judgment, hopefully he also will make it public, as well as the appraisal of fault on which it is based.
"Doubtless recommendations as to what his judgment should be were made to him today by Secretary of Defense McNamara and General Taylor on their return from their fact-finding expedition into the embattled official jungle in Saigon."
It is ironic, indeed, that Krock's column concluded with its reference to the trip by McNamara and Taylor to Southeast Asia.
For, as Col. Fletcher Prouty points out, upon their return they "reported to the President that it looked to them, after their visit to Saigon, as though things could be put under control and that we would be able to withdraw all personnel [from Vietnam] by the end of 1965.
"Now we can see why they chose that date," comments Prouty. "This was the date the President had used in his own discussions with his closest advisers. They all knew that he planned to announce a pullout once he had been re-elected."
It was soon thereafter, however, that John F. Kennedy was indeed gone from the scene and the president's plans for withdrawal from Vietnam, so carefully drawn, were now being reversed by the new President.
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In his book Plausible Denial, Mark Lane summarizes the events which occurred:
"Just four days after the death of President Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson signed NSAM 273 that began to reverse the policy of withdrawal from Vietnam and signified the beginning of the escalation of the conflict. The f CIA had prevailed. The effort in Southeast Asia was to become a massive land-based war."
' "During March, 1964, Johnson signed NSAM 288 that repudiated Kennedy's plan to end the U.S. military participation in the war that year. In the months that followed, Johnson increased the military commitment from under 20,000 troops to approximately a quarter of a million."
"Years later... after the deaths of more than 50,000 Americans and more than a million Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians, the war finally ended with the military defeat of the United States."
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[E. Howard Hunt sued the Washington-based newspaper 'The Spotlight', and his case went to trial in federal court in Miami... ]
Leslie Armstrong, a Miami resident who was jury forewoman in the case, issued a statement in conjunction with the release of [Mark] Lane's written account of the trial:
"Mr. Lane was asking us [the jury] to do something very difficult. He was asking us to believe John Kennedy had been killed by our own government. Yet when we examined the evidence closely, we were compelled to conclude that the CIA had indeed killed President Kennedy."
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Evidence now available from former Mossad operative Victor Ostrovsky suggests that Israel's Mossad, was indirectly connected with the [Orlando] Letelier assassination...
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... the never-ending cycle which continually links key players in the international intrigue between not only the CIA and the Israeli Mossad, but also the Meyer Lansky Organized Crime Syndicate-three powerful forces all of which desired the removal of John F. Kennedy from the White House.
Like Israel and the Lansky Syndicate, the CIA was, for all intents and purposes, an aggrandizing international power-unto-itself unwilling to have its influence curtailed by an independent-minded American president with an agenda of his own. Thus it was that the CIA entered into the JFK assassination conspiracy.
With John F. Kennedy now not only at odds with the Lansky Crime Syndicate and Israel, but also their collaborators in the CIA, the American president had arrayed against him a powerful alliance with not only the means and the motive, but also the opportunity to end his presidency.
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THE PERMINDEX MYSTERY
WHAT WAS PERMINDEX?
What exactly then was Permindex? How did Permindex fit into the center of the international conspiracy that resulted in the assassination of John F. Kennedy?
... The CMC [Centro Mondiale Commerciale] was founded in 1961 by one Giorgio Mantello. The Italian name, however, was an affectation. Mantello was an Eastern European Jew originally named Georges Mandel.
At the time CMC was established, it was asserted that CMC would function as an international commercial organization, that it would aid in the establishing of a permanent worldwide network of trade expositions, and generally assist concerns involved in trade matters.
Permindex was a subsidiary of CMC. The name Permindex is an acronym which stood for PERmanent INDustrial EXpositions.
... the Permindex connection to Israel and its global intelligence network is best personified by the individual who served as chairman of the board of Permindex: Major Louis M. Bloomfield of Montreal, Canada, himself a devoted and influential supporter of the Israeli cause.
It was Bloomfield who held half the shares of Permindex and its parent company "for party or parties unknown." In fact, Permindex had its headquarters in Bloomfield's base of operations in Montreal until 1961 at which time it was relocated to Rome. The facts about Bloomfield indicate, beyond doubt, that Bloomfield was a major player in Israel's international network.
... Bloomfield had been recruited into Britain's Special Operations Executive [counter-intelligence] n 1938, the year that his immediate superior-another Canadian Sir William Stephenson-set up British intelligence activities in the United States in the period leading up to World War II.
THE BRONFMAN CONNECTION
Bloomfield, however, was a man of many parts. He was reputed to control Le Credit Suisse [bank] of Canada, Heineken's Breweries, Canscot Realty, the Grimaldi Siosa [shipping] Lines, Ltd - and, interestingly enough - the Israel Continental Company.
A very busy man, Bloomfield's other ties were equally interesting. He was a founding partner in the Phillips, Vineberg, Bloomfield and Goodman firm which represents the Canadian-based Bronfman family interests. This rather intriguing detail suggests, perhaps, that Bloomfield's wide-ranging financial interests were, in fact, those of the Bronfman family and the Montreal lawyer was, essentially, the Bronfman's front man.
The Bronfman family, which built its fortune working with the Lansky Organized Crime Syndicate in the illegal liquor trade, have been key / backers of Israel and leaders in the Zionist cause. Edgar Bronfman most recently served as president of the World Jewish Congress.
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ISRAEL'S ROLE COMES FULL CIRCLE
It is the Tibor Rosenbaum-BCI connection with Permindex that points most definitely toward the Israeli Mossad interest in Permindex. BCI ... was very much a creature of Israel and its Mossad.
Among the directors of Rosenbaum's BCI was Ernest Israel Japhet, also chairman and president of the Bank Leumi, the largest bank in Israel. BCI and Bank Leumi were involved in the diamond trade and tied into Far East drug trafficking.
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The manager of Rosenbaum and Feinberg's Swiss-Israel Trade Bank was Gen. Julius Klein, a U.S. army counterintelligence officer.
Klein had engaged in illegally re-routing whole shiploads of medical supplies, construction equipment scheduled to go to post-war Germany to the Haganah in Palestine. (The Haganah was the sell-defense forces of the Jews in Palestine and the forerunner of the Israeli Defense Force.) Klein conducted this enterprise during the period when he served as chief of the U.S. Army Counterintelligence Corps responsible for Western Europe at the end of World War II.
However, Klein's services on behalf of the state of Israel were even more significant. It was Klein who had been involved in setting up Israel's Mossad and in training its officers. Klein worked alongside Sir William Stephenson in this particular venture.
... It was during his days working with the American OSS and Naval Intelligence-and the Lansky Crime Syndicate-that Stephenson had cemented his ties with the Jewish anti-Nazi underground.
THE PERMINDEX PLOT
... the connections (at an intimate level) between Tibor Rosenbaum's Israeli Mossad banking operation, the Banque de Credit International, and a wide-ranging array of figures tied closely to the Lansky Organized Crime Syndicate and-even-to Clay Shaw, a member of the Permindex board of directors, brings the conspiracy full circle. That BCI was one of the primary shareholders of the Permindex entity clearly points toward a Mossad role in the Permindex plot that ended the life of John F Kennedy.
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A PERMINDEX ASSASSINATION PLOT
Public controversy surrounding Permindex, resulting in its expulsion from Switzerland and Italy, involved the role of Permindex in assassination plots aimed at French President Charles DeGaulle.
... the rebel Secret Army Organization-known by its acronym OAS-was bitterly opposed to DeGaulle's decision to grant independence to Arab Algeria.
The OAS launched numerous assassination attempts against DeGaulle, none of which were successful, of course, but they did later inspire Frederick Forsythe's famous novel (later turned into a popular motion picture), The Day of the Jackal.
Following an investigation of one attempt, in 1962, French intelligence (the SDECE) charged that Permindex laundered money into the OAS coffers to finance the attempt on DeGaulle's life.
According to DeGaulle's biographer, Jean Lacouture, "for moral as well as political reasons, [the OAS leadership] considered it necessary to sacrifice the Head of State, either physically or politically, so that Algeria would remain French."
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ISRAEL AND THE OAS
... according to historian Harrison, whose OAS sympathies are apparent, "Some of the most ardent supporters of the OAS in Algeria were Jews." What's more, notes Harrison, "a Jewish branch of the OAS was created."
Another historian, Paul Henissart, has also noted an Israeli connection with the OAS. According to Henissart, "[The OAS] attracted hotheads including some Jews who belonged to Irgun Zvai Leumi, the Israeli underground military organization. They were recruited by the OAS as specialists in clandestine warfare."
He notes additionally that while there were Jewish defense groups established in Algeria, "official Israeli delegations in Algeria to organize emigration of Jews from the coastal cities were not averse to aiding these self-defense groups. The Israeli government, however, never confirmed any connection with them."
Nonetheless as Israeli historian Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi has pointed out, there is evidence of official Israeli support of the OAS: "During 1961 and 1962, there were numerous reports of Israeli support for the French OAS movement in Algeria."
He notes that the Israelis had assisted the French in the Algerian war of independence between 1954 and 1962. Then, when Algeria was finally independent and sought admission to the UN, only Israel voted against it. Beit Hallahmi quotes another historian, Stewart Steven, as saying, "When in 1961 the OAS was created, it was a natural development that Israel, as keen on [French retention of Algeria as a colony] as the OAS themselves, should lock themselves into the [OAS]."
So it was that Israeli intelligence-and its allies in the American CIA - had formed a close working alliance with the very forces that were ( attempting to destroy French President Charles DeGaulle. At the same time, in fact, these same elements were using their Permindex connection in yet another plot, this one aimed at the life of John F. Kennedy.
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That the ADL did, in fact, report back to the FBI, a long-standing relationship cemented by J. Edgar Hoover himself, is now common knowledge ...
Both the Mossad and the CIA were intimately tied with the Permindex plot against French President Charles DeGaulle and with the Permindex plot against John F. Kennedy. In the bloody conflict over Algerian-Arab independence both Kennedy and DeGaulle found themselves on the same side of the issue - and on the opposite side of that of the Mossad and its allies in the CIA.
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Israel's worldwide connections-particularly with the anti-Kennedy forces within the CIA and the CIA-linked Lansky crime empire, along with the French OAS rebels and Charles DeGaulle's enemies within his own intelligence service - made possible the network through which the plan to kill JFK was carried out. Permindex was in the center of it all.
Through the so-called "false flag" technique in which the Mossad is so skilled, "Mafia" figures, anti-Castro Cubans, low-level CIA operatives and an assortment of other strange figures were drawn into the Permindex web of intrigue that resulted in the JFK assassination.
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THE KEY TO THE MYSTERY
Clearly, Permindex is the key to understanding the full nature of the JFK assassination Permindex is the key to understanding the full nature of the JFK assassination conspiracy. It is the focal point in the Mossad-CIA-Lansky-Mafia linkage which manipulated events in New Orleans and Dallas-and within the anti-Castro Cuban community in Miami and elsewhere-that led to the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
To ignore the Permindex connection is to ignore the reality about the origins of the plot that led to the assassination of America's thirty-fifth president. Obviously the tentacles of CMC/Permindex reached far and wide and they inextricably intertwined the forces of Israel, the CIA and the international Lansky Crime Syndicate.
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Although the SDECE was DeGaulle's own service, the agency was as I much apparently out of DeGaulle's actual hands-on control as the CIA was out of JFK's control. As DeGauIle's biographer said of the fight between DeGaulle and the OAS, the conflict was "within the State itself."
In fact, at least one assassination attempt against DeGaulle by the Permindex- and Israeli-backed OAS came as a direct result of "inside" information. What's more, there was one high-ranking SDECE official, Louis Betholini, later discovered to be "an OAS sleeper [secret agent]."
And according to historian Paul Henissart, there was-within the SDECE-a high percentage of anti-DeGaulle officers who were, in fact, sympathetic to the OAS. Like its self-centered American counterpart, the CIA, "the SDECE's main worry, according to well-informed sources, was to protect its own personnel and interests during [the] difficult period [of conflict between DeGaulle and the OAS]."
Intelligence historian Richard Deacon has noted, for his own part, that in France, during this difficult period, there was "a good deal of unofficial support for Israel, notably in the [SDECE]"6 pointing further toward the role of SDECE officers in arranging the assassination of John F. Kennedy on behalf of its allies in the Israeli Mossad.
According to Stewart Steven, an authority on the history of the Mossad, "Brilliant in many respects, the SDECE had the reputation internationally of being the rogue elephant of the world's intelligence circus. The CIA regarded it as being 'leaky as a sieve,' and probably with some justification, for few services had so many departmental heads constantly at loggerheads with one another, all serving different masters, either within France itself or in some cases abroad.
"The Israelis, however, had always got along with the French service very well. As an ally in the tricky world in which the Mossad was obliged to operate, the SDECE had proved itself extremely useful, principally because its officers did not feel obliged to necessarily receive political authority for its operations. This gave the service a freebooting quality very much like the Israelis themselves but without Israeli discipline and order.
"Mossad's contacts within the service," said Steven, "tended to be with the ex-OAS elements, those opposed to DeGaulle for what they believed to be his sell-out of French interests in the Algerian war of independence."
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The SDECE was divided into five "services." Service Five was known as "Action" and was dominated by Corsicans. According to Frederick Forsyth's background account of the conflict between DeGaulle and the OAS (the subject of his novel, The Day of the Jackal) these Corsicans, "had been professional thugs from the underworld before being enlisted, kept up their old contacts, and on more than one occasion enlisted the aid of their former underworld friends to do a particularly dirty job for the government.
"It was these activities that gave rise to talk in France of a 'parallel' (unofficial) police, supposedly at the orders of one of President de Gaulle's right-hand men, M. Jacques Foccart. In truth no 'parallel' police existed; the activities attributed to them were carried out by the Action Service strong-arms or temporarily enlisted gang-bosses from the 'milieu."
In light of Forsyth's famous "Jackal," it might be noted that active in Europe during the period of the joint plots against JFK and Charles DeGaulle was a Jewish terrorist group known as the Jewish AntiCommunist League-or JACL. This JACL in fact, collaborated with the OAS. So it seems Frederick Forsyth knew whereof he spoke when he described a fictional OAS-sponsored "Jackal" seeking to destroy DeGaulle
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Dan Raviv and Yossi Melman, Israeli historians, commented on the crisis as follows: "De Gaulle, who suspected that his secret agency might be plotting against him, was absolutely furious. He immediately ordered that the secret service's house be put in order. He also directed his anger at Israel."
The French president "ordered that the Mossad's European command be removed from Paris, and he also ordered a cessation of all intelligence cooperation between the two nations."
According to historian Stewart Steven, "As far as President DeGaulle was concerned, the implications were that Israel was dealing with the OAS in France, which was still active, still bent on revenge,(and indubitably involved through its supporters in the SDECE in the killing of Ben Barka) It meant that Israel was involved in illegal activities on French soil, an affront to French nationalism, and it meant that he himself, whose support for Israel had never been challenged, had been dealt with treacherously."
According to Steven, Israeli Mossad expulsion from Paris was "a severe blow, perhaps the most severe the Israeli secret service has ever suffered... DeGaulle was never to forgive Israel."
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DeGaulle's inquiries into the activities of the SDECE in the year following the JFK assassination had an interesting consequence. The Mossad's CIA man James J. Angleton's own machinations-his purported discovery of KGB "moles" in the SDECE's ranks-had created havoc in French intelligence forcing the French president to take action.
According to Angleton's biographer, Tom Mangold: "Within the year, DeGaulle finally lost his patience with the CIA. The French president, quietly, without any publicity, issued an order terminating all joint operations between SDECE and the CIA. For the next three years the two services remained estranged, a break without precedent between the two friendly countries."
This, of course, recalls DeGaulle's decision during the same time frame-as noted previously-to expel the Mossad from France. In light of all that we have considered here, it is likely that a large part of DeGaulle's move against Angleton's CIA and Angleton's Mossad allies arose directly from his discovery that his own intelligence service had been directly compromised through its involvement in the JFK assassination.
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The information supplied by the retired French intelligence officer relative to Israeli Mossad orchestration of the JFK assassination through the egis of other intelligence networks, specifically James J. Angleton's CIA, and with pro-Israel forces in the SDECE, meshes with other facts.
The final judgment is inescapable ...
Israel was indeed the driving force behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The role of Israel was the unsuspected "missing link" in the JFK assassination conspiracy.

Kennedy vows to blow up the CIA.
Kennedy fires head of CIA Allen Dulles
Allen Dulles named to Warren Commision
Case closed Oswald did it. Ha ha you'll never know the truth!

LBJ,CIA, Giancana, Marcello, Trafficante,

Speaking of Marcello:

11/22/1963

By 9am that morning, the federal courthouse was full. The case of The United States v Carlos Marcello had attracted spectators and members from both of the families that made up the universe of Marcello. Judge Herbert W. Christenberry presided over a case that charged Carlos and his brother Joe with "conspiracy to defraud the United States government by obtaining a false Guatemalan birth certificate" and "conspiracy to obstruct the United States government in the exercise of its right to deport Carlos Marcello." The case had opened twenty-one days earlier and by November 22, defense attorney Jack Wasserman and U.S. Attorney Louis La Cour were delivering closing arguments.

At 1.30pm, just as the judge was handing the case over to the jury, he was passed a note by the court bailiff. With a shocked expression on his face, he announced that President Kennedy had just been shot in Dallas and was dead. As the courtroom erupted, Carlos walked slowly out of the room, his face an impassive mask. At 3.15pm, the jury returned a verdict of "not guilty" on both charges, against both defendants. Carlos and Joe hugged each other, shook hands with their lawyer and walked out of the courtroom. Just thirty-eight minutes before, Air Force One had taken off from Dallas Love Airport to carry the dead and terribly mutilated body of President Kennedy back to Washington, D.C.

the thread i created on nixon gives us good info on the kennedy killing and the o.c behiind it

I do believe there was some conspicary involved in JFK's deathh bt i personally think the mob theory is one of the least likely.

At the time the mob was in the same bed with the CIA.The FBI found boxes wih the CIA logo at Giancanas house. Theres even a tapped convo between Roselli and Giancana talkin about the diference between CIA and FBI listening devices...

BINGO!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_40

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKoperation40.htm

I think this group of people may have had a part the mob had little to do with it other then been some part of operation 40.

Sorry posts are so long but you get a better view of the matter.

On 11th December, 1959, Colonel J. C. King, chief of CIA's Western Hemisphere Division, sent a confidential memorandum to Allen W. Dulles, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. King argued that in Cuba there existed a "far-left dictatorship, which if allowed to remain will encourage similar actions against U.S. holdings in other Latin American countries." (1)
As a result of this memorandum Dulles established Operation 40. It obtained this name because originally there were 40 agents involved in the operation. Later this was expanded to 70 agents. The group was presided over by Richard Nixon. Tracy Barnes became operating officer of what was also called the Cuban Task Force. The first meeting chaired by Barnes took place in his office on 18th January, 1960, and was attended by David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Jack Esterline, and Frank Bender.
According to Fabian Escalante, a senior officer of the Cuban Department of State Security (G-2), in 1960 Richard Nixon recruited an "important group of businessmen headed by George Bush (Snr.) and Jack Crichton, both Texas oilmen, to gather the necessary funds for the operation". (2) This suggests that Operation 40 agents were involved in freelance work.
It is known that at this time that George Bush and Jack Crichton were involved in covert right-wing activities. In 1990 The Common Cause magazine argued that: "The CIA put millionaire and agent George Bush in charge of recruiting exiled Cubans for the CIA’s invading army; Bush was working with another Texan oil magnate, Jack Crichton, who helped him in terms of the invasion." (3) This story was linked to the release of "a memorandum in that context addressed to FBI chief J. Edward Hoover and signed November 1963, which reads: Mr. George Bush of the CIA" (4)
Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo claim that in 1959 George Bush was asked “to cooperate in funding the nascent anti-Castro groups that the CIA decided to create”. The man “assigned to him for his new mission” was Féliz Rodríguez. (5)
Daniel Hopsicker also takes the view that Operation 40 involved private funding. In the book, Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob and America’s Secret History, he claims that Richard Nixon had established Operation 40 as a result of pressure from American corporations which had suffered at the hands of Fidel Castro. (6)
Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin have argued that George Bush was very close to members of Operation 40 in the early 1960s. In September, 1963, Bush launched his Senate campaign. At that time, right-wing Republicans were calling on John F. Kennedy to take a more aggressive approach towards Castro. For example, in one speech Barry Goldwater said: “I advocate the recognition of a Cuban government in exile and would encourage this government every way to reclaim its country. This means financial and military assistance.” Bush took a more extreme position than Goldwater and called for a “new government-in-exile invasion of Cuba”. As Tarpley and Chaitkin point out, beneficiaries of this policy would have been “Theodore Shackley, who was by now the station chief of CIA Miami Station, Felix Rodriguez, Chi Chi Quintero, and the rest of the boys” from Operation 40. (7)
Paul Kangas is another investigator who has claimed that George Bush was involved with members of Operation 40. In an article published in The Realist in 1990, Kangas claims: "Among other members of the CIA recruited by George Bush for (the attacks on Cuba) were Frank Sturgis, Howard Hunt, Bernard Baker and Rafael Quintero.” In an article published in Granma in January, 2006, the journalists Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo argued that “Another of Bush’s recruits for the Bay of Pigs invasion, Rafael Quintero, who was also part of this underworld of organizations and conspiracies against Cuba, stated: If I was to tell what I know about Dallas and the Bay of Pigs, it would be the greatest scandal that has ever rocked the nation." (8)
Fabian Escalante names William Pawley as being one of those who was lobbying for the CIA to assassinate Fidel Castro. (9) Escalante points out that Pawley had played a similar role in the CIA overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala. Interestingly, the CIA assembled virtually the same team that was involved in the removal of Arbenz: Tracey Barnes, Richard Bissell, David Morales, David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Rip Robertson and Henry Hecksher. Added to this list was several agents who had been involved in undercover operations in Germany: Ted Shackley, Tom Clines and William Harvey.
According to Daniel Hopsicker, the following were also involved in Operation 40: Edwin Wilson, Barry Seal, William Seymour, Frank Sturgis and Gerry Hemming. (10) It has also been pointed out that Operation 40 was not only involved in trying to overthrow Fidel Castro. Sturgis has claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents."

This photograph was taken in a nightclub in Mexico City on 22nd January, 1963.
It has been argued by Daniel Hopsicker that the men in the photograph are all
members of Operation 40. Hopsicker suggests that the man closest to the
camera on the left is Felix Rodriguez, next to him is Porter Goss and Barry Seal.
Hopsicker adds that Frank Sturgis is attempting to hide his face with his coat.
It has been claimed that in the picture are Albertao 'Loco' Blanco (3rd right)
and Jorgo Robreno (4th right).
Virtually every one of the field agents of Operation 40 were Cubans. This included Antonio Veciana, Luis Posada, Orlando Bosch, Rafael Quintero, Roland Masferrer, Eladio del Valle, Guillermo Novo, Rafael Villaverde, Virgilio Gonzalez, Carlos Bringuier, Eugenio Martinez, Antonio Cuesta, Hermino Diaz Garcia, Barry Seal, Felix Rodriguez, Ricardo Morales Navarrete, Juan Manuel Salvat, Isidro Borjas, Virgilio Paz, Jose Dionisio Suarez, Felipe Rivero, Gaspar Jimenez Escobedo, Nazario Sargent, Pedro Luis Diaz Lanz, Jose Basulto, and Paulino Sierra. (11)
CIA asset, Don Bohning (AMCARBON-3) argues in his book, The Castro Obsession (2005), that Operation 40 was not actually established until March 1961. Bohning quotes one of his sources as saying that the group's initial objective was to take over the administration of "the towns and cities liberated by the invasion force, roundup government officials and sympathizers and secure the files of the government's different intelligence services" after the Bay of Pigs operation. (12)
However, Larry Hancock in his book, Someone Would Have Talked (2006) provides evidence that Operation 40 did not come to an end after the failed Bay of Pigs operation. Hancock reveals that Jose Sanjenis Perdomo was closely involved with David Morales in 1962 and 1963. He points out that "new documents provided by researcher Malcolm Blunt confirms that Sanjenis, the individual in charge of Operation 40, was actually the number one exile in the AMOT organization trained and prepared by David Morales." (13)
Most of these characters had been associated with the far-right in Cuban politics. Rumours soon became circulating that it was not only Fidel Castro that was being targeted. On 9th June, 1961, Arthur Schlesinger sent a memo to Richard Goodwin: “Sam Halper, who has been the Times correspondent in Havana and more recently in Miami, came to see me last week. He has excellent contracts among the Cuban exiles. One of Miro's comments this morning reminded me that I have been meaning to pass on the following story as told me by Halper. Halper says that CIA set up something called Operation 40 under the direction of a man named (as he recalled) Captain Luis Sanjenis, who was also chief of intelligence. (Could this be the man to whom Miro referred this morning?) It was called Operation 40 because originally only 40 men were involved: later the group was enlarged to 70. The ostensible purpose of Operation 40 was to administer liberated territories in Cuba. But the CIA agent in charge, a man known as Felix, trained the members of the group in methods of third degree interrogation, torture and general terrorism. The liberal Cuban exiles believe that the real purpose of Operation 40 was to "kill Communists" and, after eliminating hard-core Fidelistas, to go on to eliminate first the followers of Ray, then the followers of Varona and finally to set up a right wing dictatorship, presumably under Artime.” (14)
In an interview he gave to Jean-Guy Allard in May, 2005, Fabian Escalante pointed out: “Who in 1963 had the resources to assassinate Kennedy? Who had the means and who had the motives to kill the U.S. president? CIA agents from Operation 40 who were rabidly anti-Kennedy. And among them were Orlando Bosch, Luis Posada Carriles, Antonio Veciana and Felix Rodriguez Mendigutia." (15)
This is not the first time that Escalante has pointed the finger at members of Operation 40. In December, 1995, Wayne Smith, chief of the Centre for International Policy in Washington, arranged a meeting on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, in Nassau, Bahamas. Others in attendance were Gaeton Fonzi, Dick Russell, Noel Twyman, Anthony Summers, Peter Dale Scott, Jeremy Gunn, John Judge, Andy Kolis, Peter Kornbluh, Mary & Ray LaFontaine, Jim Lesar, John Newman, Alan Rogers, Russ Swickard, Ed Sherry, and Gordon Winslow. During a session on 7th December, Escalante claimed that during captivity, Tony Cuesta, confessed that he had been involved in the assassination of Kennedy. He also named Eladio del Valle, Roland Masferrer and Hermino Diaz Garcia as being involved in this operation. All four men were members of Operation 40. (16)
It has been argued that people like Fabian Escalante, Jean-Guy Allard, Reinaldo Taladrid and Lazaro Baredo are under the control of the Cuban government. It is definitely true that much of this information has originally been published in Granma, the newspaper of the Cuban Communist Party. However, is other evidence to substantiate this theory.
Shortly before his death in 1975 John Martino confessed to a Miami Newsday reporter, John Cummings, that he had been guilty of spreading false stories implicating Lee Harvey Oswald in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He claimed that two of the gunmen were Cuban exiles. It is believed the two men were Hermino Diaz Garcia and Virgilio Gonzalez. Cummings added: "He told me he'd been part of the assassination of Kennedy. He wasn't in Dallas pulling a trigger, but he was involved. He implied that his role was delivering money, facilitating things.... He asked me not to write it while he was alive." (17)
Fred Claasen also told the House Select Committee on Assassinations what he knew about his business partner’s involvement in the case. He claimed John Martino told him: “The anti-Castro people put Oswald together. Oswald didn’t know who he was working for – he was just ignorant of who was really putting him together. Oswald was to meet his contact at the Texas Theatre. They were to meet Oswald in the theatre, and get him out of the country, then eliminate him. Oswald made a mistake… There was no way we could get to him. They had Ruby kill him.” (18)
Florence Martino at first refused to corroborate the story. However, in 1994 she told Anthony Summers that her husband said to her on the morning of 22nd November, 1963: "Flo, they're going to kill him (Kennedy). They're going to kill him when he gets to Texas." (19)
Hermino Diaz Garcia and Virgilio Gonzalez were both members of Operation 40. So also was Rip Robertson who according to Summers “was a familiar face at his (John Martino) home. Summers also points out that Martino was close to William Pawley and both took part in the “Bayo-Pawley Affair”. (20) This anti-Castro mission, also known as Operation Tilt, also involved other members of Operation 40, including Virgilio Gonzalez and Eugenio Martinez.
There is another key CIA figure in Operation 40 who has made a confession concerning the assassination of John F. Kennedy. David Morales was head of operations at JM/WAVE, the CIA Miami station, at the time of the assassination. Gaeton Fonzi carried out a full investigation of Morales while working for the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). Unfortunately, Morales could not testify before the HSCA because he died of a heart attack on 8th May, 1978.
Fonzi tracked down Ruben Carbajal, a very close friend of Morales. Carbajal saw Morales the night before he died. He also visited Morales in hospital when he received news of the heart attack. Carbajal is convinced that Morales was killed by the CIA. Morales had told Carbajal the agency would do this if you posed a threat to covert operations. Morales, a heavy drinker, had a reputation for being indiscreet when intoxicated. On 4th August 1973, Morales allowed himself to be photographed by Kevin Scofield of the Arizona Republic at the El Molino restaurant. When the photograph appeared in the newspaper the following day, it identified Morales as Director for Operations Counterinsurgency and Special Activities in Washington.
Ruben Carbajal put Gaeton Fonzi in contact with Bob Walton, a business associate of David Morales. Walton confirmed Carbajal’s account that Morales feared being killed by the CIA. On one occasion he told him: “I know too much”. Walton also told him about a discussion he had with Morales about John F. Kennedy in the spring of 1973. Walton had done some volunteer work for Kennedy’s Senatorial campaign. When hearing this news, Morales launched an attack on Kennedy, describing him as a wimp who had betrayed the anti-Castro Cubans at the Bay of Pigs. He ended up by saying: “Well, we took care of that son of a bitch, didn’t we?” Carbajal, who was also present at this meeting, confirmed Walton’s account of what Morales said. (20)
Another important piece of evidence comes from Gene Wheaton. In 1995 Wheaton approached the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) with information on the death of Kennedy. Anne Buttimer, Chief Investigator of the ARRB, recorded that: "Wheaton told me that from 1984 to 1987 he spent a lot of time in the Washington DC area and that starting in 1985 he was "recruited into Ollie North's network" by the CIA officer he has information about. (21) He got to know this man and his wife, a "'super grade high level CIA officer" and kept a bedroom in their Virginia home. His friend was a Marine Corps liaison in New Orleans and was the CIA contact with Carlos Marcello. He had been responsible for "running people into Cuba before the Bay of Pigs." His friend is now 68 or 69 years of age... Over the course of a year or a year and one-half his friend told him about his activities with training Cuban insurgency groups. Wheaton said he also got to know many of the Cubans who had been his friend's soldiers/operatives when the Cubans visited in Virginia from their homes in Miami. His friend and the Cubans confirmed to Wheaton they assassinated JFK. Wheaton's friend said he trained the Cubans who pulled the triggers. Wheaton said the street level Cubans felt JFK was a traitor after the Bay of Pigs and wanted to kill him. People "above the Cubans" wanted JFK killed for other reasons." (22)
It was later revealed that Wheaton's friend was Carl E. Jenkins, A senior CIA officer, Jenkins had been appointed in 1960 as Chief of Base for Cuban Project. In 1963 Jenkins provided paramilitary training for Manuel Artime and Rafael ‘Chi Chi’ Quintero and other members of the Movement for the Recovery of the Revolution (MRR). In an interview with William Law and Mark Sobel in the summer of 2005, Gene Wheaton claimed that Jenkins and Quintero were both involved in the assassination of Kennedy. (23)
It seems that members of Operation 40, originally recruited to remove Fidel Castro, had been redirected to kill Kennedy. That someone had paid this team of assassins to kill the president of the United States as part of a freelance operation. This is not such a far-fetched idea when you consider that in 1959 Richard Nixon was approaching oilmen like George Walker Bush and Jack Crichton to help fund Operation 40. We also have the claim of Frank Sturgis that "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents."
Further support for this theory comes from an unlikely source. David Atlee Phillips died of cancer on 7th July, 1988. He left behind an unpublished manuscript entitled The AMLASH Legacy. The leading characters were explicitly based on Phillips, Winston Scott and James Angleton. The novel is about a CIA officer (Phillips) who lived in Mexico City. In the novel the character states: "I was one of those officers who handled Lee Harvey Oswald... We gave him the mission of killing Fidel Castro in Cuba... I don't know why he killed Kennedy. But I do know he used precisely the plan we had devised against Castro. Thus the CIA did not anticipate the president's assassination, but it was responsible for it. I share that guilt." (24)
In an article published by Washington Decoded on 11th June 2008, Don Bohning (AMCARBON-3) admits: "It is true, of course, that the CIA sanctioned plots to kill Fidel Castro and also initiated assassination plots. But did Operation 40 have anything to do with those efforts?" In an attack on the author of this article Bohning relies on information provided by CIA officials and operatives, Rafael Quintero and Porter Goss, to deny that Operation 40 was ever involved in carrying out assassinations.
However, Larry Hancock argues in his book, Someone Would Have Talked (2006) that evidence has emerged that suggests that members of Operation 40 were involved in assassinations. He even believes that members of this organization was involved in the killing of John F. Kennedy: "The individuals knowingly involved in the actual conspiracy included both exiles and a small number of their most committed American supporters... It is likely that some of the participants were part of the Morales trained and organized intelligence service that was developed to support the 1962 action against Cuba and which had a political assassination (black list) component. Elements of this group were retained as Morales' intelligence and surveillance force in Miami after the failure at the Bay of Pigs. Some of them had been involved in Agency sanctioned (and possibly unsanctioned) projects to assassinate Castro. This group was unofficially known as Operation 40." (24)

Guys, a very good doc on youtube is 'JFK II The Bush Connection' -a real eye opener...sorry for not posting a link but im on the mobile at the moment...

The Warren Commission´s conclusion of LHO acting alone should be taken with a BIG grain of salt. Mostly because the Commission investigators actually had not access to all of the evidence. Much of it was kept away from them. In the late 1970s the United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that Kennedy was very likely assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. But HSCA never named the conspirators.

Here is a link to a site which is a must read if you find the JFK assassination interesting:

http://www.jfk-info.com/files.htm

It's entertaining but i found quite alot of it ridiculous. Imo a great doc on both Kennedy brothers and other theories is Evidence of Revision.

It's been confirmed Giancana and co were approached to help assasinate Castro so i don't deny a link but other than that theres not much that points towards the mafia imo which is why i think it's one of the least likely theories.

Thats right,the mob wasnt the main player in the assassination,they were only the 'gun' in the whole conspirasy

That's if you believe the mob was involved at all, i don't, who knows though.

My guess is the French! Sneaky group of people

Thats right,the mob wasnt the main player in the assassination,they were only the 'gun' in the whole conspirasy [/quote]

That's if you believe the mob was involved at all, i don't, who knows though. [/quote]

So youre sayin that the mob wasnt involved at all?!..k..thats your choice.

Who kept away the evidence?

Using the same rifle (6.5 mm Carcano Model 91/38), marksmen have gotten off 3 shots in the time frame consistent with the audio recording on the police scanner and analysis of the Zapruder film. The time frame is always debated (from 4.8 to almost 8 seconds).

Even still, CBS did a study in the 60's with 11 marksman shooting the same model gun, and most of them hit the target with 2 of 3 shots in 5 seconds.

The other debatable issue is how many shots were fired. Blakey and the Senate Committee based much of their conclusions on the audio recordings, which suggested more than 3 shots were fired. A modern re-examination of the recording demonstrated that the 1970's analysis was flawed - they counted echos as shots. Blakey has said that it now seems clear only 3 shots were fired. Despite that, he is still on record that he believes the mob was involved.

IMO, the Mob was involved using LHO as the patsy and the shooter. I don't believe there were shots fired by anyone else (ie the grassy knoll). I do believe that Oswald slipped out of the book depository to avoid getting caught. I believe Ruby killed him to shut him up, on behalf of the mob.

I do not believe it goes beyond the mob. I don't think the CIA, Lyndon Johnson, Israel, Cuba, the Russians or anyone else was involved. For me, it is pretty simple = the Kennedy's double crossed the mob, and the mob did what they do to people who do that.

The thing i don't get is why wouldn't they have killed Bobby instead i'd assume it'd be easier killing the AG than the President and it was Bobby who was fighting them. Also anyone know of any mob hits that were similar in anyway to JFKS? I can only think of Bugsy Siegels.

The Warren Commission recieved massive criticism for not going into all evedence available. For example, many testimonies from witnesses who had claimed they heard shots coming from the grassy knoll were not heard. Memos and reports stating JFK was in big danger (memos and reports which later surfaced) were not presented nor submitted at the time of the investigation etc.
The Department of Justice, FBI and CIA were all hugely criticized for not revealing all information available to the Warren Commission. And one can only specululate why.

Heard skinny joey made his bones with this hit.

Any of guys ever play the video game from around 5 years ago called "JFK:ReLoaded"? Your the sniper in the TSBD or you can be on the grassy knoll or at the Cal-Tex building. The object is to match LHO's shooting but i just blast everyone.

Pretty small game with primitive graphics but it's addictive.

JFK's family complained about it so the software company stopped selling it and i think it's freeware now. Check it out.

I heard the old school guys call Joey "Rusty" because of the rusty trombone he performed on a homeless guy back in the early 90's.

But seriously folks, didn't Richard Kuklinski kill JFK?

Both the CIA and the FBI witheld important information from the Warren Commission. The CIA didn't tell them about "Operation Mongoose," the plan to use the Mafia to help get rid of Castro, nor did they tell them about their surveillance of the Cuban and Soviet embassies in Mexico City--where they had double agents and had observed Oswald's visits in September 1963. The FBI didn't tell the Commission about unauthorized wiretaps they had, on which Marcello, Trafficante and others talked about wanting JFK and/or RFK dead.

Within days of the assassination, J. Edgar Hoover told LBJ that Oswald had acted alone. The Bureau produced a five-volume, 25,000-page "report," using 2,500 interviews--and presented it to the Warren Commission just four days after the Commission's first meeting, in early December 1963. Plus, the Commission was in a big hurry to conclude its work before the 1964 Presidential election.

None of the above necessarily proves that JFK was the victim of a conspiracy. But, given the large volume of information that both agencies witheld, and the indecent haste with which the Commission concluded its work--and the passage of almost half a century--we can't conclude with certainty that there wasn't a conspiracy to kill JFK. All that's certain is that we'll never know for sure.

First, was the target these marksmen were shooting at moving at the same speed and at the same distance and angle as JFK's motorcade?

Second, were these marksmen considered comparable or better shots than Oswald?

Third, one has to take into account the extreme nervousness that would be present in the shooter at the moment he's taking aim at the president. I'm not sure they can really recreate that.

I also believe the mob was involved. I also believe LHO was the shooter, or perhaps one of the shooters. But I don't beleive the mob could have done this on their own. They would have needed the support from powerful people within the government to organize the cover up. What I think is that the mob was designated to carry out the assassination, while other parties, such as listed above, were responsible for the cover up.

If anyone was involved it was the CIA, not the mob! Before he died in 1978, David Sanchez Morales (ex CIA) said to his attorney - "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard". RFK was certainly shot down by the CIA.

correct... people need to think clearly, step-by-step, and play reasonable %s...

that CIA & Marcello/Trafficante were both involved is not at all mutually exclusive, esp. given Oswald's improbable travels and time in New Orleans.

it's also-- obviously-- not at all mutually exclusive that Oswald was either a, or possibly the, shooter and there's still a conspiracy etc etc.

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re: CIA and Robert Kennedy, why do you say them specifically, because of their known experiments in mind control? Because obviously Sirhan was being run by someone... Question is who else in the Ambassador Hotel that night was in on it to get him in exact position and make sure he fired.

A couple of ex CIA agents (including Morales) were spotted in the Ambassador Hotel waiting around and seemingly doing nothing just before RFK's speech. There is footage of them and their ex colleagues have stated they are 90% sure it was them when shown the footage. What were they doing there? They had no reason to be. Plus RFK was killed by a bullet from behind him, not in front of him as Sirhan was. I believe Sirhan was manipulated (he claims he can't remember anything) and there was likely more than one shooter, someone other than Sirhan killed him.

If there was a conspiracy, and that's a big if, I don't think it was CIA, but rather rogue individuals who lost their minds during the cold war. Mob elements may have been recruited for clean up work and to create confusion, but I don't think they were directly involved in the shooting of JFK.

We can all specululate guys its for free.

I think Operation 40 had something to do with the JFK HIT that is why Richard Milhous Nixon (January 9, 1913 – April 22, 1994) when up to his neck in it said tell the CIA bay of pigs, information Nixon new was that people he new from Operation 40 done the JFK hit but Nixon had no part in the JFK hit himself. the mob did not do it they may have done work with the CIA at the time but not the JFK hit. Links to Israel and some of the main players in the hit has now come out the the last number of years as with the mob there is links but no hard evidence to back up Israel on information available had a part in JFK hit.

CIA LBJ FBI if i was to say anyone it was CIA FBI LBJ Lee Harvey Oswald did shoot and hit JFK with others, Jack Ruby who he was working with LHO was in Israel before the JFK hit for what ? the mob would not have had the power to cover up after the fact and Warren Commission.

David Ferrie, David Morales,OILMAN HL Hunt, William Harvey, Allen Dulles,and the network around them people.

The network in Iran contra affair was the same network that did JFK hit they act outside the law when they do not get their own way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wiv2_lq6pA

David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald Photograph.

I don't buy into these Israeli theories, not just because I don't buy all the "Jews rule the world" type of shit, but because if you really look into the matter, you will find that Israeli-American military cooperation actually began with the JFK administration.

I personally think that the CIA (possibly with Dulles pulling strings) and the military (which would have had Curtis LeMay pulling strings) as most responsible. I don't doubt mob guys were involved, at the very least they eliminated the a conspirator when Ruby whacked Oswald.

Ruby and Oswald were part of same unit. CIA 100 % in on it. there is Israeli and mob links to people who got hit done or did the hit it self but no evidence that Israeli or mob did or got the JFK done.

Good find! This debunks Posner´s claim of no "evidence of LHO and David Ferrie ever met". Posner´s book "Case closed" is often cited as the best researched book in favor of no conspiracy. Together with some documents found in the link I posted earlier, this find seems to discredit Posener´s book.

BTW, wasn´t Ferrie extremely weird looking?

Hardly evidence, the photo could have been doctored. Blakely makes a claim that they were childhood friends, despite no evidence to back that up. LHO and Ferrie were about 21 years apart in age. How many kids have childhood friends 21 years older?

Also, Lucien Sarti was rumored to have been part of it, along with Woody's father.

A lot of people wanted these guys dead, and for a lot of different reasons. And all together, they definitely had the balls to do it.

I don't think that just one of the groups/organizations would have had the total smooth turn-key solution to make such a project go so well. There had to have been lots of players.

Hahahaha!

They surely did bro! Hoover, Johnson, oil magnates, Hoffa, Giancana, Dulles, military men who had been embarassed by JFK/RFK, Marcello, Irish haters, and the list can go on and on...

Did any of you guys read about the stuff Trafficante set up for JFK in Havana? The book Havana Nocturne tells some about it. Crazy action party/sex-wise. Then I think the Kennedy bros got a little self-righteous about Cosa Nostra. Then the Cosa Nostra guys got sick of their hypocrisy...and more importantly, the Kennedys were bad for the OC business.

doctored ? sure they were part of the same unit and a girl says she knew the two of them well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbMrgJEUmM

Yes Photograph tells its own story.

How do we know photo isn't fake? Is it proof they knew each other?

There you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbMrgJEUmM
i put it up already.

There are videos of people who claim they saw bigfoot and ufo's. The problem with high profile cases is that all sorts of people come out of the woodwork saying they saw or heard something. There are informants who supposedly saw LHO in Jack Ruby's club. There's an audio of Ruby on his deathbed on youtube where he dismisses these claims as "ridiculous".

You ask for evidence of people then when you get it you move the goalpost can you prove that the photo is fake or the girl is telling lies about LHO ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI07govlUqI

Ground shot ?

One of the major programs that the CIA used was MKULTRA which utilized mind control via the use of LSD being administered to unknowing (un)willing volunteers (prisoners). One these participants was none other than James "Whitey" Bulger. Poor Jim complained of headaches for years.

Anyone see anything new with all the JFK stuff doing the rounds.

Last night Frontline on PBS did a documentary on Oswald. It aired for the first time ever last night. It mentioned Joe Campisi and Jack Ruby eating/drinking together at the Egyptian Lounge on many occasions. They showed the Egyptian Lounge in the show. They stated that Campisi was a lieutenant of Carlos Marcello's. It was the best doc on Oswald I ever seen. If you missed it, try to watch it next time it airs. Frontline does it right.

Forget the Mafia and the CIA.
The often quoted statement that JFK wanted to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces" was made two and a half years before the assassination. In the ensuing period,not only did JFK not make any moves to disband the Agency,but he also passed the largest CIA appropriations package in the history of the CIA.
So if I have this right,the CIA figures "Hey this guy gave us more money than any President in the history of the US,so let's kill him because of something we think he might have said years ago". Yea,we'll show him".
On the subject of the Mafia,in the course of the last fifty years,not one credible piece of evidence has surfaced tying anyone but Oswald to the shooting.I know we have the ramblings of megalomaniacs claiming that they were in on it,and second and third hand "recollections" of discussions tying any one of a dozen mob guys to the hit,but if there were anything to it,we would have some hard evidence.
If you look at the thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of wiretaps that OC investigators have amassed over the last fifty years,along with all of the Mob guys that have caught serious sentences over the same period,and would have a major bargaining chip,not one,repeat,not one piece of evidence,or credible snitch testimony has surfaced.
The problem with the majority of conspiracy theories is that people hear or read something and stop there. If people would just follow a simple principle of "Don't rePEAT,reSEARCH, a lot of this stuff would go away.

Dr. Cyril Wecht, former Allegheny County Coroner, said in an interview with Geraldo that he believes the CIA planned the whole thing ...Oswald was an unwitting stooge.... that the CIA were, at that time, a very ''rogue'' agency and knew that Jack and Bobby were going to limit their powers..... this, to me is most plausible..... we'll never know..... sad to watch Kennedy in that limo because he was really just a good looking Irish rich kid who only wanted to fuck as many broads as possible and be a playboy.... his old man, the evil piece of Irish shit that he was, pushed Jack into running for office... Jack never had the need or lust to be president like brother Bobby did ... sad to see him cruising down the street with his sunglasses on looking cool with his movie star looking wife ...not knowing in a few moments his world would end. He never would have chased being president if not for his father and brother who both craved power... only wanted to chase broads. Very sad.

preview of conclusion on jfk...there were numerous conspiracies...when two or more people conspire, in secret, to do an unlawful act..that is a separate crime, regardless of whether they successfully complete the act...here are the conspiracies in the jfk case.

1. President Johnson and FBI director Hoover conspired, as evidenced by audio tapes of their phone calls to "rig" the warren commission to include only investigators that would support the hoover conclusion that oswald acted alone...without any influence. the conspiracy included staffing the investigative branch with individuals willing to obstruct an official investigation of congress by either preventing relevant evidence from coming before the members of the commission, and, or changing and influencing the testimony of witnesses who did not support hoover's presumptive conclusions. this agreement, is secret, by these two men, to rig the outcome of the investigaiton, is a conspiracy to obstruct justice under federal and state law

jfk...Conspiracy to obstruct an official homicide investigation under the state laws of texas by illegally removing the body of the president and taking it out of state before the dallas county medical examiner performed an autopsy...and the actual crime of violating the statute against obstructing an official texas investigation

Nat Geo did a good job on the Killing JFK movie focused primarily on Oswald. I never knew til recently that Oswald had shot another man through a window of his home while the guy was in his living room, some local politician I think. Oswald thought he killed the guy but he survived

After painstakingly documenting how the country’s security agencies played the Warren Commission, Shenon and Willens both explain away this monumental deception by claiming that the country’s intelligence apparatus was simply trying to hide its embarrassing failure to protect the president. But there’s another, more disturbing conclusion that is left hanging in the air. If the CIA was just trying to hide embarrassing mistakes back in the 1960s – security lapses that have long since been exposed — what is the agency still trying to conceal?

Ironically, I have read about 30 books on this mystery. The two most compelling books that I read were Crossfire (based on the conspiracy theory) and another book called Case Closed (based on the lone assassin theory). After finishing both books, I was absolutely convinced on both theories...but I do believe due to the fact that the CIA was a "rogue agency" in the 50's and 60's, Kennedy and his brother had all the reasons in the world to disban the agency...and the agency had all the reasons in the world to ensure JFK never completed that task...

Oswald owned the rifle, was seen with the rifle, and was seen carying something into the building, CBS or someone did a laser trajectory on the injuries to JFK and Gov Connally, and they all came from the 6th floor window. Oswald's rifle was found there.
the fact that he was working at the book building was a coincidence, Ruth Payne who Marina Oswald was living with got him that job based on info from a friend. He then fled the building and killed JD Tippit the Dallas PD officer and then was arrested.

See Turnbulls post on why there was not a good investigation.

Why would the CIA kill the President who gave them the largest budget appropriation in the history of the US? This came two and a half years after JFK "supposedly" said he would splinter the agency into a thousand pieces. He did nothing of the kind,and in fact,increased the CIA's scope of activity.When you get a record breaking amount of money from the President,do you then turn around and publicly murder him? As far as Bobby and the CIA,the Attorney General had absolutely no authority,power,legislative precedent,or constitutional mandate over the Intelligence operations of the Federal government,so outside of a conspiracy theorist fantasy,he was powerless.
Cyril Wecht,famous as he is,has made a major career,and millions of dollars off of the JFK killing by perpetuating a theory that even he initially denied.Wecht stated that he believed that the evidence supported two shots,striking Kennedy from the rear,accounting for all of the wounds in both Connally and JFK. He has since recanted this belief. Out of the four major investigations (Warren,Clark,Rockefeller,HSCA)a total of 19 forensic pathologists agreed that the wounds inflicted could have been caused by 2 shots,both striking Kennedy from the rear. Wecht was the only dissenting voice. Wecht loves the spotlight,fame and money that his private practice has enjoyed as a result of his high profile celebrity cases. Look up his better known cases and judge for yourself the credibility that he brings to the table.

Oswald alone. The KGB would be the logical sponsor, certainly more logical than the vast military/intelligence/law enforcement/mafia pact that is the sexy opinion, but there has been no real concrete proof that they were involved.

I do believe the KGB was far MORE involved early on in making people think right-wing plot instead of left-wing plot which is still believed today.

In no way were the Russians involved. If you believe Lee Harvey oswald was a communist, you´re delusional.

It's been pretty well established that LHO was a communist and that he had contacts with the KGB. Contacts are proven but collusion is not. The KGB's own files DO prove that they attempted to fool the American public into believing it was a right-wing CIA conspiracy. And, when it comes to non-thinking Americans who trust anything Hollywood puts out, it ended up working!

Here is a link to the KGB files that were released to our government.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/izvestia.txt
There is nothing in these documents that supports the statement that the "files DO prove they attempted to fool the American public into believing it was a right-wing CIA conspiracy". I would be interested in any other sources or information that you could cite as support of your allegation.
No question Oswald was under constant Soviet surveillance,and that his defector status was initially seen as a propaganda plus for the Russians. However, after they realized (as did most people who knew him)that Oswald was as nutty as squirrel sh*t,they cut him loose. Oswald described himself as a Marxist and a Leninist,but specifically denied being a Communist. These are three separate socio-political affiliations ,and are not interchangeable,although it is a common mistake to do so.

I don't know about the CIA, even if he did increase their budget, doesn't mean their weren't people within the agency working for others' interests. 'Course, anythings possible.

I do have to agree with you about the mafia, though. The JFK hit was the antithesis of the typical mob assassination. Besides which, I've been told (no idea how accurate this is) they've attempted to recreate the Oswald shot from the book depository with one of the best snipers in the world and he wasn't able to do it.


In any case I think it was his attempts to curtail the power of the federal reserve that ultimately lead to somebody wanting him dead... but we'll never know for sure.

Just like Lou Para says, there´s absolutely no prove of Oswald being a KGB agent. Neither are there any prove of Oswald being a communist/marxist/stalinist (whatever) in his KGB files handed to Clinton by Yeltsin. I think you are jumping to absurd conclusions.

http://www.paperlessarchives.com/FreeTitles/OswaldKGB.pdf

An article published in the Russian newspaper Commersant (June 22, 1999) dealt with Oswald´s KGB files. Hit "Translation" right under the article. http://www.jfk-info.com/russian1.htm

Retired KGB colonel Mikhail Lyubimov told Echo Moscow radio station that the assassination of President Kennedy sent Soviet leaders into shock and left Moscow fearful that it would be blamed for the murder. "(Nikita) Khrushchev rushed in terror to the U.S. ambassador to say we were not involved," Lyubimov said of the then Soviet leader. "The only sensation that will hit the world (following release of the latest documents) is that we (the Soviet Union) had nothing to do with the assassination of Kennedy," he said. "I rule it out 100 percent. Even under Stalin we didn't assassinate foreigners and after his (Stalin's) death the politburo banned terrorist acts," Lyubimov said. He dismissed suggestions that a rogue KGB unit could have gone in alone and carried out the operation, saying "the KGB was strictly under the control of the politburo and the party leadership."

In 1962, Oswald left the Soviet Union and returned to the USA. He encountered none, whatsoever, problem with reentering US. He even got his American citizenship back without breaking a sweat. And that´s remarkable considering being an American "defector" and self proclaimed "marxist". Oswald being a marxist...are you serious? Keep in mind that this was in the midst of the cold war. At that time, people were jailed in the US for just sympathizing with socilasm. Read about the McCarthy era for example. One of Oswald´s best friends in Dallas was George De Mohrenschildt, a Belo russian immigrant so far to the right on the political scale, you would have to turn your head 180 degrees to be able to see him. It was through his contacts, Oswald gained a job at the school book depository in Dallas. Find out about George De Mohrenschildt by googling him. Do you really think De Mohrenschildt would have helped Oswald if Oswald was a communist/marxist/leninist? Of course not!

I think, if you really want to find out who killed JFK, do some heavy research on United States National Security Council and some of its members at the time of the JFK killing. Was the Mafia somehow involved? Maybe, who knows?

When Yuri Nosenko defected he said Oswald was not a Soviet agent. Of course you have to believe that Nosenko was on the level and not a plant by the KGB. But after all these years i believe Nosenko was a legit defector and not a double agent.

Hairy, Ferrie had alopecia, a decease that makes all of your body hair fall out and worsens with age. He wore a homemade wig and fake eye-brows later in life.

Fair enough. That explains it.

Here's a long article about the so-called Mitrokhin archive, which were KGB archives compiled by a defector who worked as an archivist for the Soviet Union named . One of the key revelations is the KGB's influence in left-wing newspapers in Europe, especially Paese Sera in Italy, which was the source of the Clay Shaw/CIA connection. It essentially, and so far incorrectly, identified Shaw as a spy and agent of the CIA. This very article is what actually inspired Jim Garrison to pursue his entirely unsuccessful case against Clay Shaw (which was virtually laughed out of court) AND inspired Oliver Stone's JFK movie which is, of course, the source of so much of the JFK conspiracy nonsense.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011109043457/http://wwics.si.edu/OUTREACH/WQ/WQSELECT/GARRISON.HTM

Here is the actual archive:

http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/52/Mitrokhin-Archive

Here's a book detailing Mitrokhin Archive and the usage of disinformation in the press by the KGB:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9TWUAQ7Xof8C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false



Fair enough but I personally don't take much stock in the finely split hairs between Marxist/Maoist/Communist/Leninist and whatever. The differences between them seem pretty fluid.

FWIW Lee Harvey Oswald ALSO said he WAS a Communist. In his written request to the Kremlin for Soviet citizenship he states: "“I am a communist and a worker and I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/01/08/lee_harvey_oswalds_request_for_soviet_citizenship

My guess? He liked Marxism but he also like attention and would say whatever got him the most attention at that moment. Since they are pretty fluid, all definitions probably were accurate at one time or another.

You are putting words in my mouth. I never stated Oswald was a KGB agent. Just that he had contacts. In face I stated there was no proven collusion.



Actually quite a few defectors from Russia came back to the United States around the same time as Oswald. There was a study commissioned about it by the House.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/defector.htm

I suspect the political win of attracting a defector back from the Soviets overtook the danger of letting a pseudo-marxist nutjob back into the United States. Afterall all the other defectors didn't shoot Kennedy.



It wasn't thru George De Mohrenschildt's contacts that Oswald got the job at the Book Depository. He got Oswald another job prior to that at a photographic company.

Also I think you are overstating de Mohrenschildt's anti-Communist credentials. He actually did business in oil with the Yugoslavian government for example. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't pro-Soviet or anything, he would be debriefed by the CIA whenever he went overseas afterall but I think he was the kind of aristocratic playboy who wouldn't care if some semi-educated hillbilly he made friends with had some lunatic beliefs.

I´m not familiar with these other cases so I can´t comment on them. But if you read the case of the Blocks, "... the Blocks were expelled from the U.S.S.R.(39) Morris Block was charged with acts of hooliganism and Mollie Block was charged with handling out anti-Soviet propaganda to foreign students at the Polytechnic Institute.(40) They departed from the U.S.S.R. to the United States on July 11, 1964. (41)" The Blocks sounds like they were truely convinced communists, don´t they? To me, many of these cases smells like CIA plants, part of a top secret CIA project.



Yeah, De Mohrenschildt was a true samaritan. A man of the people.

In this same thread, a clip from youtube was posted. In the clip, a photo was shown of Oswald and David Ferrie together at a Cuban refugee training camp. It´s been deleted since, but I´ve seen the photo and I´m sure many others as well have seen it. The Cubans at that training camp were no lefties...far from it. What was Oswald doing there, IF he was a communist???

...JFK...my summary...here we go. As in baseball, some hitters have a natural tendency to pull the ball to a certain part of the field. It is not taught. Its part of their make up. That is where we start.
Oswald was a Marxist, delcaring his support for Castro and Cuba on the streets of New Orleans. He was interviewed shortly after he caused a disturbance while passing out pamphlets entitled "fair play for Cuba." He is in the middle of the circle. The CIA knew about Oswald long before Dallas. He went to the U.S.S.R. and started a new life during the cold war. He was "on the radar" in a big way. He made noise over there. He attempted suicide when he was initially denied a return to the u.s.a. The FBI, through their contacts with the CIA, picked up on Oswald and was on their radar. They knew he was a potential problem, they knew he was a communist in the cold war, they knew he was in new orleans proclaiming his loyalty to Castro, they knew he was precisley the kind of loose cannon that could play a key role in regime chagne. Just as a right handed hitter who pulls the ball hits to left field, the CIA and FBI, who had their own weighty reasons to want a regime change in Washington, let this outcast follow his natural tendencies, to pull the ball, to go to New Orleans, to Mexico City. They had him on the radar, the perfect patsy, to use as a "beard" if necessary, to let nature take its course.

Could Oswald actually do the act, or place himself in a position to be used-could he pull the trigger? Their investment in monitoring him paid off. He soon proved he could be placed in the circle. General Walker, a right wing extremist, who wanted Castro dead, was the intended victim of an assassin's bullet. A routine shot for any professional or qualified sniper, Oswald, the poor shot he was, as testified by his fellow soldiers in ignored deposition statements to the warren commission, proved he was ready, willing but maybe, not able. Again, the perfect patsy.

History places Oswald in the southwest. He was born in New Orleans. He was a troubled loner. History also places the president in the south, as the Texas democratic politicians needed to be reunited for the Presdiential election in 1964. The rogue elements of the intelligence agencies continue to follow him, monitor him, track him on the radar. He now has a plan. He will plan to assassinate the enemy of Castro, President Kennedy, when the perfect storm forms on November 22, 1963. He know the President is coming to Dallas. In his quest for Marxist glory and worldwide recognition, as with most deranged loners, he travels to Mexico City to arrange for transit to Cuba, then on to the Soviet Union, as a triumphant hero, after he kills the American President. The CIA monitors his actions. They know he is there, they know why. He fails to obtain his exit visas for his triumphant return to the waiting arms of his compatriots. He panics. So does the CIA. Dulles and friends, arrange for a "double" that does not look like Oswald, and parades him around to the Mexican embassies. The CIA had to have plausible deniabilty. They had to be able to say, yes, a man named oswald was here, but look at this picture, it wasn't him. They never expected FBI agents to stumble on the real oswald. They destroyed the FBI reports that placed oswald in mexico city and erased their knowledge of him being on the radar. They were unsuccessful in erasing the fake oswald photographs. This would come back to haunt them, but the knew they could eventually seal any record.

Dejected but determined, Oswald returns to Dallas. The plan continues. A psychological profile of Oswald places him in the category of the loner who the world would know. There would be no mistake that he, not someone else, killed the President, earning him a place in the history books. Thus, he intentionally leaves a trail that a first year intelligence agent could follow. He orders an Italian rifle, through the mail, with a lame alias, knowing full well that the FBI would trace the gun to him after the shooting, giving him full credit for the kill. Why else would he leave such a "cookie crumb" trail involving the potential murder weapon?

He reads the parade route and places himself on the sixth floor. By now, supported by testimony of Russian embassy officials in Mexico City who described him as nervous and jerky, he experience "approach anxiety." He knows his place in immortality depends on him hitting a moving target with a surplus world war II rifle. He panics, sweats and passes the chance for a head on shot before the Presidential limo turns down the expressway. He begins to panic as the Limo moves, with each second, further out of range for a marginal shot, which he is. Fighting the attack on his central nervous system, he squeezes off the first shot. It misses wildly, traveling over the Limo, hitting the concrete curb in front of the Limo, and careening ahead, striking the cheek of a onlooker, a used auto salesman named Tague. The first bullet is gone and accounted for, a complete miss. He then lifts his head away from the sights, reloads and has to line up the sites of the rifle with the Limo which has now traveled further out of his range. He fires a second shot. It misses the President and strikes the top of the front windshield, leaving an obvious mark. He begins to panic. He raises his head, puts it back into the rifle sights as the Limo is now traveling further toward the Trademart. To his horror, he looks in the rifle scope and sees the President out of positon, bending over, with his head toward his knees. A thought flashes through his mind. Could it be someone else is there? In full panic, he fires a third shot, missing the motorcade. He looks up and sees something "is definitely wrong." He goes into evacuation mode. He flees his barricaded perch, leaving the full shell of the fourth shot. He never fired the fourth shot. The rifle and the three shell casings and the unfired fourth bullet are recovered by Hoover's agents. He exits the building and tries to leave the area and conceal himself until he can calm down and put the pieces of the puzzle together. He now knows, and always knew, that their were footsteps behind him for quite sometime. He liked it. He wanted to be noticed. Now he wondered if he was set up. They arrest him in a nearby theater when an employee calls the police because a man didn't pay. He matches the description. A scuffle ensues. He is taken into custody. Blows are exchanged and a handgun is alleged to have been found on him. He is taken to Dallas Police H.Q. He is questioned. The documentation, notes and tapes of the most important interrogation of the twentieth century disappear. The FBI AND CIA have taken over the "progress of things."

Oswald finally figures out he will be charged for killing the President of the United States. Out of all the possible responses, Oswald makes it clear. "I'm a patsy!"

jfk..continued....CRIMES COMMITTED...conspiracy to obstruct justice, conspiracy to obsturct a criminal investigation, witness tampering, destruction of crime scene evidence, violation of the texas statute calling for the autopsy to be conducted in dallas also constiutes a crime as well as the conspiracy to remove the president's body from the jurisdiction of the crime. the fbi and cia destorying, concealing and altering evidence contstitutes obstruction of an investigation, regardless of their intent. These are prosecutable crimes. A Conspiracy is a seperate crime unto itself. it punishes the wrongdoers for their active concealment of relevant facts and acts or omissions. The acting in concert, together, in secret, for an illegal purpose, is a crime regardless of whether the purpose is accomplished. The FBI, CIA and the Dallas PD are guilty as co-conspirators as evidenced by their conduct in picking members of the warren commission, investigators of the commission, and those who controlled what evidence was presented to the commission.

...LOOSE ENDS...let me begin...
..the fatal bullets fired by the "saftey net" of a trained agency sniper..from the dal-tex building made no noise...snipers, in particular after coming of age in WWII....and most specifically to black op operations...use high power scope rifles WITH SILENCERS....the fatal shots were never heard.

..the picket fence...eyewitness testimony is more reliable, the more witnesses you have that observe the same thing, at the same time and at the same location. Over 50 eyewitnesses ALL said they saw smoke, saw a rifleman or even heard a shot...from the grassy knoll....FIFTY. The warren commission ignored ALL OF THEM. many disappeared, or changed their story. This accumulation of eyewitness testimony cannot be ignored. The sheer number of witnesses, their location and ability to observe and their movements to the knoll area create monumental questions about the warren commission. in my view, they prove a second shooter, who may or may not have missed. Whatever the case, a second shooter rules out a lone gunmen.

medical evidence. the lack of original autopsy notes, which were burned by the naval pathologist, the lack of expert pathology photographs, which were seized by the secret service, the absence of the president's brain, at the direction of rfk, for whatever motive, and the botched autopsy have virtually obliterated the best evidence. Here, the body cannot speak clearly to us. If it doesn't prove a second gunman due to frontal shots, then it doesn't prove a lone gunman, as shot from behind cannot be confirmed. what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

A seasoned criminal defense lawyer would be able to poke holes, at this point in time, at the lone gunman theory, until hell freezes over, or when the CIA releases the balance of the assassination records it had sealed, whichever comes first.

and...one more...conspiracies ARE NOT HARD to keep quiet..for years..or lifetimes..look at the mafia code of silence...and the smaller the conspiracy..or if they kill the assassins...it is silenced...and how many people go to jail with information about killings they keep quiet for various reasons...all crimes are never fully confessed....this is another misdirection play of the opposing forces in the argument...finally, an fbi agent had one of the suspects who was on tape predicting and saying jfk was set to be killed in dallas...i posted it...and sure enough...the agent produced a picture of him in dallas that day....the agent was transferred and told to shut his mouth...this is the type of cover up that was there all the time..continued through watergate...and right up to snowden.......trust no one.....

What's your theory for Oswald passing out pro-Castro leaflets, just a few months prior to the assassination? You'd be hard pressed to find any conservative spreading pro Castro propaganda in 1963.

The missing JFK brain is certainly suspicious,but the evidentiary value is up for debate.Dr. Humes examined the brain,noted that the left lobe was virtually intact,took at least seven photos of the brain,and included all of the above in his notes.Before placing the brain in a jar of Formalin,all of the estimated 30 persons present had the opportunity to witness the entire procedure. Out of this number ONE MAN says none of this occurred. The photographs have never been disputed,are not missing,and the report is still able to be accessed.The conclusion of a shot from the rear that killed JFK would not be changed if the brain were found today.Read the actual reports by the attending personnel,and their subsequent statements on the topic,and see if you can find anyone present who believes that anyone in the autopsy room saw any evidence of a third wound to Kennedy.

Secondly,the Grassy Knoll myth lacks substantiation in two very critical respects. One,any witness who says that they saw a puff of smoke from a rifle on the knoll is pretty much delusional,mistaken,or outright full of sh*t. When Stone recreated the puff of smoke scene in his comedy "JFK",he had to use a concealed bellows to get the effect,since they could not find a rifle that emitted smoke.
Second,with the stiff north wind blowing on that day,even if a puff of smoke did exist,it surely would not linger long enough to be noticed,rather it would blow away from the barrel immediately.
On the topic of the supposed 51 witnesses to a grassy knoll shooter,here is a long but worthwhile link that explains a lot.http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm

In the PBS documentary Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?, one of the Warren Commission's attorney's states that the CIA let him listen to parts of the surveillance tape of Oswald at the Russian/Cuban embassy in Mexico. So that means that they did inform the Warren Commission of their operation in Mexico City and they also confirmed Oswald's visit even though they showed pictures of another man who they claimed was Oswald...

Again (this has happened before) you are taking a quote out of context. And you are doing this on purpose it seems, you fucking sneaker. I was talking about Oswald´s KGB files. This is what I said: "Just like Lou Para says, there´s absolutely no prove of Oswald being a KGB agent. Neither are there any prove of Oswald being a communist/marxist/stalinist (whatever) in his KGB files handed to Clinton by Yeltsin."

Him talking about being a marxist doesn´t mean a shit. Has it ever occurred to you that LHO may have worked for the CIA/or another right wing group with a task of trying to infiltrate pro Castro groups? LHO was a right winger, assaigned to that Banister/Ferrie gruop who trained Cuban exiles for military combat. Otherwise, why would he had been at that camp mentioned earlier in this thread?

LHO´s CIA files are classified and will never be open for public view. You need to ask yourself why? I doubt it´s because he was a self proclaimed marxist, a lone nutter, the lone assassin of JFK or whatever the CIA wants the public to believe he was.

Maybe it's a conspiracy. And I'm flattered you remembered that it happened before, because I haven't.

Huge Boston Globe article today on RFK and the JFK assassination. He suspected Marcello, Trafficante, Giancana, Hoffa, Rossellini combo.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-JFK...140413-711.html

There is two other pages to read after this first one good read.



The JFK Assassination: Why are They Still Lying to Us?

A few days after the 50th Anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, my wife and I chatted with a new acquaintance in an upscale bar in D.C., a spot frequented by Congressmen. Leaning toward us across the table, a dapperly-dressed man confirmed my suspicions about the CIA and a certain magazine. His wife, he confided, works for the internationally-prestigious magazine, and she had told him the CIA frequented her workplace to spy on a nearby embassy--with full cooperation by her employers. I found her story credible, in part because it is now well-established that the CIA infiltrated and influenced a long list of newspapers and magazines.1 Initially, I had been surprised that the magazine in question, an organization with great credibility in the academic community, risked their reputation to broadcast blatant lies about the JFK shooting. Why fib about something that happened half-a-century ago? The answer is astounding: the CIA --fifty years on--still believes it cannot afford the hit to its credibility... it refuses to admit that Lee Harvey Oswald was a company man. And it still has a vise-like grip on the mainstream media.

I am not a kook. Several parchments from prestigious institutions hang on my wall to assure me that I'm not crazy. I'm not a 911 "Truther" or a "Man didn't land on the moon" conspiracy nut. Yet, when I began promoting my book about the JFK assassination, I observed some curious things. Major news outlets circled their wagons around the "official" government story that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone nut, nixing any dissenting opinions. Pro-Warren Commission, pro-lone-gunman pundits (a dying breed) were trotted out on CBS, ABC and even PBS. Credible experts who offer proof of government complicity were disinvited. Others in the assassination-research community told me similar stories of how they had been scheduled for cable news/network appearances, but were cancelled at the last minute--without explanation. Even my local city newspaper, which has featured my writing on other topics, refused to print a rebuttal I had written to counter a "lone-gunman did it" fluff-piece they ran in November 2013.

I have been harassed. Nasty, over-the-top attacks were posted on the Amazon review page of my JFK book (despite four and five star reviews by 95% of readers). Correspondence between myself and Vince Palamara (a Secret Service expert who has been featured on C-SPAN, the History Channel, etc.) was sliced open and contents stolen, apparently with the blessing of the U.S. Postal Service.2 At the 50th anniversary event in Dealey Plaza November 22nd, an ABC-TV cameraman pulled out his iPhone and snapped a picture of my book's cover, saying he was personally interested in it... but made it clear his network was not. A CBS reporter and his cameraman interviewed me, but the footage never aired. At the end of the day, outside the Dallas JFK museum in the Texas School Book Depository, I was assaulted--choked without any provocation--by the bodyguard of former Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, as I tried to shake hands with Hill after his book-signing.3 These are things happening now, not 50 years ago.

But let's back up and look at the long media history. The few times the networks dared examine the topic, the reporting was one-sided. CBS, for example, gave extended screen-time to so-called "conspiracy debunker" Gerald Posner, but allowed only short, benign snippets from lone-gunman critics like Dr. Cyril Wecht (and Dr. Wecht is a top-notch forensic scientist; Posner is not). I challenge doubters to put a stopwatch on any major network's coverage of the JFK assassination and see how much time is afforded the debunkers vs. the conspiracy "nuts." (one man's "nut" is another's "credentialed expert.") Though I am personally convinced that the CIA helped kill Kennedy, I concede there are two sides to this debate. So, mainstream media, give us both sides! The one-sided press coverage should scare the hell out of us.


For those who have only heard the propaganda, allow me this brief rebuttal. One of the few intelligent debunkers is attorney and author Vincent Bugliosi. But he squanders his credibility by repeatedly insisting: "There is not a shred of credible evidence of conspiracy." If he had argued his side calmly and honestly, he might deserve our ears. He is, in the end, no different than most debunkers: shrill, uninterested in truth, stretching logic just for the sake of winning--as if this were a High School debating club. He stands in front of a mountain of credible evidence, countering each challenge with clever but speculative workarounds, a hundred times repeating the mantra "there is not a shred of evidence...."An ironic choice of words: a shred. We have a mountain of stench and garbage that stands as a sick monument to the conspiracy, and a lot of that evidence was, literally, shredded! Despite the concerted cover-up, facts have trickled out. Below are five huge indications of government complicity in the murder of our President, all based on established facts, many from the government's own documents:

1. The Impersonation of Oswald: The strongest proof of a conspiracy is also the least reported: someone was impersonating Oswald six weeks before cameras in Dallas made him infamous. This is not rumor or speculation. White House tapes, FBI memos, and CIA photos offer irrefutable, solid proof that someone was trying to forge the appearance that Lee Harvey Oswald had been in Mexico chatting with communists. In a still-available White House tape of a phone call between LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover the day after JFK's death, the FBI Director revealed that "we know for a fact" that while "a man... was using Oswald's name" in Mexico, the real Oswald was in New Orleans. This "Mexico thing," as Hoover called it, was "puzzling" because his agents and Dallas police had reviewed the recording and all said the voice on the CIA tape was not Oswald's.4 If Oswald was a loner and a "nobody," as the government portrayed him, why would anyone be pretending to be him at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico? The obvious answer is that the initial frame-up plan had included painting Oswald as a traitor in league with Soviets or Cubans. That constitutes a conspiracy. Moreover, President Johnson showed no surprise at this blockbuster news, and no interest in pursuing it. Perhaps at first Johnson wanted to blame the killing on the Soviets, but upon reflection, realized this would be flirting with nuclear war. So he changed tactics: LBJ began using that threat--a thermonuclear battle with Russia--as a rationale for persuading innocent folks (Chief Justice Earl Warren, for example) to assist him in a whitewash, making Oswald a lone scapegoat. Posner, Bugliosi and the other debunkers have no explanation for this "Mexico thing."

2. The Head Wounds: An exiting bullet caused a massive rear head wound, so the fatal shot came from the front. This required a second gunman, a conspiracy, and a cover-up. The government released autopsy sketches, and later a fake photo, showing the back of JFK's head nearly-undamaged, with short hairs all neatly in place. This is in stark contrast to the other photos showing a tangle of very long hair at the back of his crown, and in conflict with the best and earliest witnesses, all who reported a "gaping" occipital (rear) wound over 4" across and frontal entrance wounds. The proof is found right in the pages of the Warren Commission Report itself, in the testimony of doctors and of two Secret Service agents. Special Agent Clint Hill was spread-eagled on top of the Kennedys as they sped to the hospital. Other than doctors, Hill was the closest observer of JFK's rear head wound as he hovered over the President as they sped to Parkland--the closest in proximity and in time (before any medical person or mortician altered the look of the wounds). And Hill's sworn testimony is unequivocal: he saw a gaping rear head wound of exit. Counsel Arlen Specter led the WC interview:

Mr. Specter: "What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?"

Mr. Hill, under oath: "The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car.... There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head."5

What Hill saw--"a gaping wound... in the right rear" --is consistent with the location of the large wound described by over a dozen of the Parkland medical staff. Doctors described specifically the occipital, or lower rear of the skull. This should not be confused with the parietal or temporal, terms which could apply to another wound on the side of JFK's skull. The parietal can also refer, in part, to the rear, but it extends forward toward the side/ temporal region, where the WC wants you to think the bullet "exited" --on the right side. Thus the WC favored the word "parietal" rather than "occipital" whenever possible, since it was less specific. The separate right-side wound is visible in the Zapruder film, and was also a gruesome wound. But five Secret Service Agents and a flock of doctors described a larger wound at the back of the head, fully in the rear. Here's a partial list of Parkland medical personnel who described a wound irreconcilable with the autopsy photo: Nurse Diana Bowron, Nurse Doris Nelson, Dr. Charles Baxter, Dr. James Carrico, Dr. Robert McClelland, Dr. M. T. Jenkins, Dr. Ronald Coy Jones, Dr. Gene Akin, Dr. Kemp Clark, Dr. Charles Crenshaw, Dr. Malcolm Perry. A dozen doctors wrote immediate reports and/or gave sworn testimony. They had no reason to lie, and they certainly qualify as expert witnesses trained to be careful observers. (The Bethesda autopsy, by contrast, was done by three inexperienced military autopsists under pressure to do and say as little as possible.) No reasonable explanation has ever been offered for this irreconcilable difference, other than conspiracy. The WC simply ignored the clash between the Washington version vs. the Dallas version of JFK's skull, hoping that the few Americans who actually read the Warren Report would not realize that "occipital" means "rear." Dr. Crenshaw summed it up best by stating that the WC Report is "a fable," an "insult to the intelligence of the American people."

To pour salt on the wound, so to speak, the House Select Committee on Assassinations reported that it re-interviewed most of the medical personnel, who clarified earlier statements so that now, the HSCA claims, there is a consensus: no large exit wound on the rear of JFK's skull. A lie. Their own records prove otherwise. There was no consensus or consistency. One quick example: look at the testimony of Dr. John Ebersole from Bethesda. Dr. Ebersole plainly told the HSCA that he had seen a gaping occipital wound. The HSCA ignored him and several other dissenters to falsely claim that everyone at Bethesda verified the autopsy photos. The HSCA continued the cover-up begun by the Warren Commission. Over 25 medical personnel (most at Parkland but several at Bethesda) and 5 Secret Service Agents are on record stating there was a large wound at the rear (mostly occipital).6 The alteration of autopsy photos to hide that fact required government complicity.

3. Every single piece of evidence used to indict Oswald is problematic. I'm not exaggerating. Every major and minor bit of evidence has a puzzle or flaw in it. We expect all criminal cases to have some evidentiary blemish, some i not dotted or t not crossed, and certainly eye-witnesses get details wrong. But cut into the Swiss-cheese case against Oswald (which includes the murder of Police Officer J.D. Tippit), and every slice is riddled with holes:

Witnesses described men on the sixth floor who did not match Oswald's description, as well as different men at Tippit's shooting--balding, dark-complected, stocky suspects wearing different colored clothes than Oswald. Oswald was near the scenes of both crimes (necessary for framing a patsy), yet the timing doesn't work right for Oswald to be at either location at the exact time. Within two minutes of each crime, he was seen by credible witnesses, standing calmly: a) five floors down in the Book Depository, near the Coke machine, and later, b) at a bus stop a mile away from the Tippit shooting.

For every witness saying shots were fired from the sixth floor, we have an equal or greater number saying shots were fired from the Grassy Knoll. Not a single line-up "I.D." of Oswald would have stood up in court. Witnesses heard Oswald loudly complaining, while being herded into the police line-up, that of course the witnesses would point to him, dressed in a shabby T-shirt with a black-eye and unkempt appearance. He stood out like a sore thumb. Howard Brennan, the only witness to claim he could identify Oswald as the sniper, claims he saw Oswald in the shadows, through a window pane, six floors up, and from across the street. Brennan wrongly described the sniper as standing at the window (when the shooter had to be kneeling to clear the closed window). So not surprisingly, Brennan failed to I.D. him in the first line-up--despite seeing the efforts by law enforcement to "sore thumb" Oswald.

There are so many misconceptions about the so-called Second Gunman theory that I could spend hours debunking them,but for purposes of brevity,I would like to address only one.

If the wound on the back of JFK's head is really an exit wound,and thus proves that a shot was fired from the front of the motorcade,where is the evidence of a bullet hole in JFK's forehead,face,or other portion of his head?

What witness,autopsy attendee, physician,Secret Service agent,Warren critic,or any other source has stated "yes,I saw the President after the shooting,and there was a hole right between his eyes",or "JFK had a bullet wound in the middle of his forehead".

If you want to change the exit wound in his throat to an entry wound,then you're looking at a bullet fired from inside the limo,since the so called(and nonexistent) Grassy Knoll shot couldn't have come in at the angle necessary to go into the throat and come out in the middle of the back of JFK's skull.

If you watch the video of Jack Ruby shooting LHO as he walks past, you will notice that LHO is flanked by two cops. One of the cops is wearing a pale suit and pale cowboy hat. As he walks towards Ruby, the cop is flinching and looks ultra-nervous, like he is expecting Ruby will fire a gun. Dead giveaway.

Giancana on the surface had reason to want JFK dead, but I doubt he did it.

The Mafia might have been involved, or were maybe brought on-board by the government to help whack the President if the government didn't want the risk of using their own military/cop sharp-shooters. (Mafia acting alone probably wouldn't have gotten away with it without government backing. The government wouldn't cover up a mafia hit, unless the mafia were working in tandem with a government pissed at JFK.)

If Lee Oswald was a lone nut, who was up to all this shit ?

http://22november1963.org.uk/a-little-incident-in-mexico-city

Oswald in Mexico City: the FBI’s Discovery
The FBI learned on the afternoon of the assassination that it had not been kept fully informed by the CIA of Oswald’s activities in Mexico City. To remedy this, two sets of evidence were sent by the CIA station in Mexico City to the FBI in Dallas, arriving early on the morning of 23 November:
At least one tape recording of a phone call by a man claiming to be Oswald.
Several photographs of the only non–Hispanic man to enter the Soviet compound on the date of Oswald’s meeting there with Kostikov.6
FBI agents in Dallas made an unexpected and ominous discovery: neither the voice on the recording nor the man in the photographs matched the man who was in custody. Someone had impersonated Oswald in Mexico City.7
Oswald’s Assistant or Impostor
Although there was good evidence that Oswald had in fact made at least one visit to the Cuban Consulate and one to the Soviet Embassy,8 several other encounters provided strong evidence that he had also been impersonated:
In two telephone calls to the Soviet Embassy, a man claiming to be Lee Harvey Oswald spoke “terrible, hardly recognizable Russian”, according to the CIA’s translator. Oswald himself spoke Russian very well.9
The man who made the incriminating phone call to Kostikov had also phoned from the Cuban Consulate three days earlier, on Saturday 28 September. In this instance, not only was Oswald impersonated but the phone call or the transcript appear to have been fabricated. The Cuban Consulate and the switchboard at the Soviet Embassy were closed on Saturdays. Silvia Durán, an employee at the Cuban Consulate, who was mentioned by name on the transcript, denied that she had taken part in the call on the 28th.10
Silvia Durán and the Cuban Consul General, who had had three encounters with a man who claimed to be Oswald, both recalled that the man they met looked nothing like either the real Oswald or the man in the photographs.

If you want to see the other side of the "fake Oswald in Mexico City" theory,check out this link.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/clueless3.htm