Mickey Marcello got out of prison back in October. Not sure if he's in a halfway house or back home.

I don't think you can make the conclusion that Solly is giving orders to Carparelli from the media coverage of that indictment. Do you think that Mooney or Joe B never gave specific orders or "pet projects" to street soldiers he was close with in the 50s and 60s?

It came from the Indictment itself, not the media report.

In any case, maybe you are right. Nobody knows unless you are actually part of the Outfit.

Maybe we are all wrong and the top two are two completely different people. Or there is no organized structure and no one in charge.

Who really knows.

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d'amico probably calls it in chicago

Good point and wouldn't doubt if there is a sleeper at the top...few people knew Al Tournabene before Family Secrets, yet he was someone communicating with DiFronzo and being chauffeured by Bruno Caruso. Joe Belli of Elmwood Park for instance is probably a guy who has been made just as long as Gary Gagliano, yet no one knows who he is.

True about Belli and I forgot him and Nick Boscarino on my list. Effectively, I think there are around 50 made men and maybe 100 associates (maybe 20 of whom are full time soldier/associates). As to how many are active, that I don't know.

In any case, all but a half dozen are in their 50s-80s. Even the guys in their 50s are few and far between. This is at least the ones we know about.

Separate question, Culotta likes to tell the story about how the Feds played him a wiretap of someone in Chicago telling Spilotro to "clean his dirty laundry". Anyone know who it was who said that? Lombardo?

I grew up in the heights and Cal City what do you want to know?

Is there any photos of solly c catudella

Nick was a relatively legit guy who simply let his social circle use him a little too much...he is linked up with the Daddono family. Nick's brother Anthony was the real criminal of the two...he may still be locked up, I'm not sure. Anthony was in Vegas for a long time.

Here is a Chicago Outfit Chart from 2010 done by Scott Burnstein. He posted this over on Real Deal and it was something I thought was definitely worth sharing:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7967/outfitt.gif

No offense to Mr. Burnstein and his list concerning the Southside but there are many missing from this list as well as he's listed some twice. Too many missing to be any kind of accurate.

Yes just Google image him.

I don't get why it says 2010. I just looked at the first two rows.

Ferriola and Carlisi were long dead by then.

Lombardo was in jail etc.

I'm sure there are 100 other things wrong as well.

If you look close, it shows that Carlisi and Ferriola were deceased and shows that Lombardo is incarcerated...it says deceased above their names, very faint as you may need to auto enhance the chart. It also shows imprisoned members and members under indictment.

I see.

Well, IMO, the chart seems pretty much like a wild guess, but I guess nearly all of them are.

He seems to have gotten most of the major players right.

Honestly unless the FBI releases a chart, I don't think any of them are really worth that much.

My only point is that informed speculation is one thing, and of interest.

But I think that there is so little known about the current structure and even activity of the Outfit that the speculation in most instances would not qualify as particularly informed.

If I was guessing I would actually think that HSAC's guess, as a rule of thumb, is most accurate:

Elmwood Park for the most part defunct

Cicero/Bridgeport/perhaps Grand Ave. to a smaller degree, all globbed together more or less, and the only real active Outfit these days

But that too is just a guess

One thing I'm saying though is that I think it makes sense that as the overall activity of the Outfit has declined, the structure perhaps has as well

It's the difference between working at a company with 5K employees and 15. The former necessitates absolutely rigid structure. The latter necessitates virtually none.

But, of course, all guesswork.

That's just what sounds most likely to me.

It's still hard for me to comprehend that the Outfit is down to 30 guys like the FBI said. Chicago has no competing LCN groups and if NY has five families, can't understand why the Outfit hasn't been replenishing the ranks.

I think it's more to do with historical trends.

How many guys do you know who would want to sign up to be in the mob these days, LOL.

Even during the height of it, Chicago didn't have anymore than 75 made guys.

True

I would have assumed that they were as big as the Genovese/Gambino Family at their height. Especially since the Patriarca Family were 100 strong in its heyday. Hard to believe.

Well numerically the height would have been under Capone, when they didn't make guys.

In terms of power probably under Ricca/Giancana/Humphries/Accardo. I have no idea how many made guys there were then, or even if they were making guys at that point.

Seems that its always been a little more difficult to paint a clear picture in Chicago. Not saying Burnstein's chart is accurate, but he does claim to have made it based on FBI and CCC sources. I see no real reason for him to lie, how many more of his books would he actually sell? And in fairness, he has never said all the guys listed as soldiers on that chart are necessarily made. The structure may certainly be off though.

The FBI in my experience hasn't really made claims about knowing the structure, except very vaguely, at least in recent times.

Usually the media reports people like "boss," which is a nice vague term--boss of the whole thing? Boss of a crew? Boss of a neighborhood?

Clearly for instance Sarno was in charge of something... but I don't think the feds generally try to exactly define the position... as they don't know. And, as I said, the structure may be surprisingly loose.

I don't ever remember hearing anyone suggesting that Peter DiFronzo or Matassa were the bosses of anything.

What interests me is what happens with guys who are going to be filtering out of prison. I know speculation already started on here a few months back, wonder if guys like Salerno, Marino, Bellavia, and Spano retire once they get out. All are certainly up there in age. Generally keeping quiet and taking long prison terms enhances your status.

I think the Outfit is around 50 made guys/full time soldier associates and 100 associates. About 30 of those 50 are active.

As for structure, there is definitely a distinction between Cicero, 26th St and Grand Ave/Elmwood. Whether EP is active and Cicero is actually 2 or 3 crews, who knows.

As for who is in charge, it's well known that Frank Caruso runs 26th St. As to the rest, no one really knows for sure.

The only one I would think could reactivate is Marino because his son Dino is likely made. I believe Paul Spano's on Michael is made but not very active.

I personally would go with the feds most recent number of about 28 made guys on the street.

This is from the FBI immediately following Family Secrets:


"We have 28 made members of the Chicago Outfit roaming in the Chicagoland area. We have over 100 associates of the Chicago Outfit," Grant said.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5681103

Therefore, if this is accurate, that number would not include the known made men in prison, including those who went away in FS.

Being from the area and working in the Southside I've got to say that ANYONE thinking they can list anything accurately in Chicago has another thing coming. If you concentrate only on the Italians you'll never get the scope of it. Torrio realized early that the only real factor is money, the only nationality is money and that's how the outfit works.

Gus Alex, Murray Humphreys, Ralph Pierce, Billy Dauber etc. "Can you make money?" that's the only question. Gamblers in Cal City may remember "Gold Man" who most certainly was not Italian. To try and view the Outfit like an East Coast family is not possible in many ways. Overly formalized thinking patterns don't work there.

Chicago is in fact a template for what's happened in general with most of organized crime in the United States in modern times, expansion, retrenchment and invisibility. Chicago was the first to look West and only because they did were gangsters like Bugsy Siegel drawn there in the first place. Anything West of the Mississippi as far as Eastern mobsters went, the first cut went to Chicago. Nowadays, who can say? The businesses are so deeply entrenched at this point, it would be finding needles in stacks of needles. Don Angelini's kid is a lawyer for Christ's sake. Slicker and no longer in the old neighborhood much. Northwest Suburbs and NW Indiana and in chambers of commerce. Baboom.

This came from Goudie via the Chicago Crime Comission in 2007 directly following FS, for what it's worth:

Seventy-eight-year old No Nose John Difronzo is the boss; Difronzo's major domo is his brother Peter, whom mobwatchers say acts as an errand boy, delivering orders to outfit associates.

The current underboss: Joseph "The Builder" Andriacchi, a convicted burglar. Andriacchi is said to control the daily operation of four criminal crews:

his own Elmwood Park crew;
the lucrative 26th Street/Chinatown crew assigned to Frank "Toots" Caruso who has deep political and labor union ties;
south suburbs, overseen by outfit octogenarian al "The Pizza Man" Tornabene.
finally, Cicero, managed by John "Pudge" Matassa.