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#678942 - 11/25/12 03:50 PM Chicago Outfit: The 28 members
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Does anybody know who all 28 government recognized made Outfit members were as of the Family Secrets trial, Who were they and how many have died since?,besides Al Tornabene

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#678970 - 11/25/12 05:18 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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There are some OK-ish charts floating around that will give you as good an idea as you're going to get. Check out Scott Burnstein's chart. It's not literal, IMO, i.e. characterzing all of those people as "soldiers" as if they're out there every day doing the Outfit's dirty work, IMO, is not accurate at all.

But if will give you a fair idea of who's involved... a lot of them are dead since that chart was put out though.

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#678985 - 11/25/12 06:17 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Yeah I was looking at that and I agree very exaggerated, What I got from it wasn't anything new really I got The Brothers DiFrinzo John,Peter,and Joe,plus Andriachi,Mattassa,Cullotta,Magnafichi,Fratto,James Indecino,Chris Spina,and some guys Scalise,and Sal DeLaurentis as well plus 3 Caruso's and possibly D'Amico and Sarno all in all thats that's a max of 17 and Tornabene who's dead and te three Jailbirds Lombardo,Marcello,an Calabrese ,Who's the other ten the government supposedly knows and we don't


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#678993 - 11/25/12 06:31 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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This is from some posters particularly Pete83 and McScott on the other side.

Andriacchi and Joe Kong Cullotta are both sick with cancer and are inactive/retired Fratto seems to be on the outs with the higher ups since his conviction and hasnt been that active in Elmwood Park for years. He operates his extorion rackets mostly in the western suburbs Pudgy Matassa was never the boss of Cicero. He drives around Solly D on his daily rounds

Boss John Difronzo Street Boss Vacant (Rumored to be either Solly C Cautadella or Solly D Delaurentis but no official word yet) Consiglieri Marco D'amico

Elmwood Park Boss Peter Difronzo

Grand Avenue Boss Albert Vena

Cicero Boss Salvatore Delaurentis

Chinatown Boss Frank Toots Caruso

Also interesting to note is the old wild bunch crew seems to still be active with Jimmy Inendino being the head of that faction. they are a subcrew of Cicero though as they always were.

Caporegimes: Elmwood Park Peter “Greedy Petey” Di Fronzo Crew Street Boss Rudy “The Chin/Uncle Rudy” Fratto (will be replaced by Don Scalise while locked up) & Michael “Mikey Mags/Good Looking Mike” Magnaficchi MP/Cicero/Lake Cty John “Pudgy” Matassa, Jr. Crew Street Boss Michael “Fat Mikey/The Beard” Sarno James “Jimmy the Ice Pick/Jimmy I” Inendino Michael “Big Mike” Spano West Side Joseph “Joe Kong” Cullotta Crew Street Boss Christopher “Christy the Nose” Spina South Side Frank “Tootsie Babe” Caruso Crew Street Boss Leo Caruso/Bruno Caruso

Soldiers (star by name denotes higher status than others) Joe Abate – West Side* Joe Albano – South Side Robert “Bobby the Truck Driver/Bobby A” Abbinanti – Elmwood Park * Andy Affrunti – Melrose Park Anthony Alemam – Melrose Park * Frank Amabile – Melrose Park Joe Amabile – Melrose Park Jimmy Amabile – Melrose Park Ralph Amadeo – Melrose Park Tony Andriacchi – Elmwood Park * Donnie Andriacchi –Elmwood Park * Bobby Angelo – South Side Constance “Connie” Antongiovanni – West Side Michael Annecca, Sr – West Side Michael Annecca, Jr – West Side Joey Annecca – West Side Victor “Popeye” Arigo – Elmwood Park * Vince Auriema – Melrose Park Paul Balzano – South Side Phil Balzano – South Side Fred Barbara – South Side * Dominic “The Brow” Barbaro – South Side * Dominic Basso – Elmwood Park/FLA * Vincent Basso – Elmwood Park * Joey Bastone – Melrose Park* James Bastone – Melrose Park* Tommy Battaglia – Melrose Park* Chris Battaglia – Melrose Park* Joe Beli – South Side Robert “Bobby the Gabeet” Bellavia – Melrose Park (imprisoned) * Charles “Chuckie B” Bellavia – Melrose Park* Phil Bertucci – South Side Anthony Biancofiore – Elmwood Park Tommy Billante - West Side Mike Blasi – Melrose Park Robert Bonamici – West Side Joe Bonavolante -South Side Mike Botica - West Side Roland “Ricky B” Borelli – Elmwood Park * Louie Borselino – South Side Nick Boscarino – Melrose Park* Joe Bova - Melrose Park Salvatore Brocato – Elmwood Park Joe Broccio - Melrose Paek Albert Bruno – West Side Jimmy Buonomo – Elmwood Park Dominic Buscemi – South Side Frank “Frankie Breeze” Calabrese – South Side (imprisoned) * Anthony “Tough Tony” Calabrese – South Side (imprisoned) * Mike Canazero – Elmwood Park Jimmy Capasso - South Side John “Cappy” Capodice – South Side* Tommy Capione - Wesr Side Michael “Mikey Beef” Caracci – Elmwood Park Richard Carbonaro – Melrose Park Salvatore “Sammy Cards” Cardella – South Side Leonard Cardone – Elmwood Park Mike Carioscia – Melrose Park * Pasquale “Pasty” Carioscia – Melrose Park Peter “Bushy” Caruso – South Side* Morris “Mutt” Caruso – South Side* Frank “Little Frankie” Caruso, Jr – South Side* Anthony Carvotta – South Side Angelo “The Angel” Cassano – Elmwood Park* Dominic “Mennie” Cassano – Elmwood Park* Gino “Mean Gene” Cassano – Elmwood Park* Vito “Pops” Cassano – Elmwood Park* Bobby Cassimiro - South Side Ronnie Castaldo – Elmwood Park Joe Castaldo – Elmwood Park Nicky Castaldo – Elmwood Park Gerry Castino - South Siude Salvatore “Solly C” Cataudella – South Side* Nicholas “Nicky C” Catuadella – South Side* Frank “Frankie the Gunner” Catapano – Elmwood Park* Richard “Richie the Cat” Catazone – South Side* Don “Donnie the Cat” Catazone – South Side* Joe Caulderello – West Side* Robery Cechini – Melrose Park* Salvatore Cecola – West Side/LV* Anthony Cerco – South Side/LV Anthony Cerone – Elmwood Park* James Cerone – Elmwood Park* John “Little Jackie” Cerone, Jr. – Elmwood Park* Charles “Chuckie C” Cesario Frank Ciangi – South Side Angelo Ciaravino – South Side Virgil “The Truck” Cimino – Melrose Park* Joe Ciolino – Melrose Park Anthony “Tony Sip” Cipriani - Elmowood Park Anthony “Tony Sing Sing/Tony Julian” Ciragani – Melrose Park* Rocco “The Biker” Circelli – Melrose Park* Nino Cisternino – Elmwood Park* Joe Cocco – South Side Frank Colanani – Melrose Park John Coli - South Side Mike Coli -South Side Billy Coli - Soyuth Side Jimmy Colucci - South Side Jimmy Coniglio – Melrose Park* Jimmy Contis – Melrose Park* Ralph Contacessi – South Side Pete Costello – South Side Tommy Covello – West Side* Ronnie Covello – West Side* Carl Covelli - Melrose Park Bobby Covone – Melrose Park Phil Cozzo – West Side* Sam Cozzo – West Side* John Credidio – South Side* Ronnie Crevilone* - west Side Albert Cundari – Elmwood Park* Billy Cundari – Elmwood Park* Butch Cundari – Elmwood Park* Joey Cussamano – Las Vegas* Joe Cutrano – South Side Guy D’amico – Elmwood Park* William “Little Willie/Small Fry Willie” Daddano, Jr. – Melrose Park* Louis “Louie Lips” Daddano – Melrose Park* John Dadanno – Melrose Park* Richard Dazzo – Elmwood Park Richard De Angelo - South Side Butch De Angelis – Elmwood Park Salvatore “Sammy Powder” De Cesare – Elmwood Park Anthony De Core – Elmwood Park Anthony De Falco Salvatore “Solly D/Sal the Pizza Man” De Laurentis – Melrose Park * Mario De Marco – Elmwood Park Frank De Rosa – Melrose Park* Ronnie De Rosa – Melrose Park* Richard “Richie the Mouse/Mousie” De Santis – South Side* Ronnie De Santis Salvatore “Little Sam” De Stefano – Elmwood Park Dominic De Silvio Matt De Vito – Elmwood Park Joey De Vita – Arizona* Paul Di Caro – South Side Charles “Charlie Specs” Di Caro – South Side* Joseph “Joe the Spider” Di Caro – South Side* Frank “Frankie 51” Di Constanza – South Side* Dominic “Captain D” Di Fazio – South Side * Joe Di Fronzo – Elmwood Park* James Di Guillo – Melrose Park Dominic Di Maggio – Melrose Park* Nick Di Maggio – Melrose Park* Louie Di Riggi – Elmwood Park* William “Billy D” Dileniemo – Elmwood Park Jimmy D’melio – Elmwood Park (former cop/electronics expert) Renato “Ray Ray” Di Silvestro – Las Vegas* William Di Domenico – South Side* Jimmy Di Domenico – South Side* Vincent Di Varco – Elmwood Park* Robert Dinella – South Side* Ralph Dolendi – Elmwood Park Robert “Bobby D” Dominic – Melrose Park* Joe Donzelli – LV Anthony “Tony Seymour/Tony D” Dote – Elmwood Park* Carl “CD” Dote – Elmwood Park* Vincenzo Ercolino (Italy/Sicily)* Nick Falzone Romeo “Flap Jack” Familynappi – South Side* Frank “Frankie Pasta” Esposito – West Side* Richard Ferraro, Jr. – South Side Gerry Ferraro – South Side Nick Ferriola – South Side* Rocco Fillipino Phil “Philly Boy” Fiore – South Side* Vincent Fiorlano* Tommy Fiorlano* Joseph “Joe Pep” Forienza - Rockford Peter Frigo John “Tiger” Frisella – Rockford Mike Fusco – Elmwood Park (narcotics) Joe Gallo – South Side Natala Galluzzo - Rockford Salvatore Galluzzo – Rockford Anthony Garipo – Melrose Park Jerry Gasparini – Elmwood Park Richard Gelsomino – Elmwood Park (narcotics) FRank "The Fireman" Geraci - Rockford Gary Gilberto – Elmwood Park Michael “Mikey Jaws” Giorgano – Elmwood Park/FLA* Gary “Little Gags” Gagliano – Elmwood Park* William Galioto – Melrose Park* Sam Galioto – Melrose Park* John Galioto – Melrose Park* Robert Garippo Richard “Richie G” Gervasio* Anthony Giannone Nick Gironda – South Side Frank “Frankie Gig” Granata, Jr. – South Side* Joseph “Joe Glasses” Greico – Melrose Park* Mike Greico – Melrose Park* Frank “Frankie Drywall” Guidice – South Side* Tommy Guiliano* Chris Guiliano * Michael “Mickey the Gorilla” Gurgone – South Side* Sammy Gurgone – South Side* Jimmy Gurgone – South Side* Chris Guzaldo Phil Guzzino Nicholas “Jumbo” Guzzino – South Side* Dominic Guzzino - South Side Roland Ignoffo – Elmwood Park* Jimmy Iannantone – South Side Anthony “Tony Peaches” Imperato – South Side* Frank “Frankie Cigars” Imperato – South Side* Ernest “Rocky” Infelice – Former UB (imprisoned)* Sam “Sammy I” Inendino – Melrose Park* Tintner Inserro – Melrose Park Anthony Juliano Pietro “Mustache Pete” La Balestra – Elmwood Park (narcotics)* John Di Giglio* John La Mana Mike La Mantia – Elmwood Park Rocco La Mantina – South Side Richard La Mantina – South Side Richard Lantini – Elmwood Park (narcotics) Joe La Scola John La Placa Nick Lamonica John Lanno Antillio Lavorata Sam Lenocci Geno Levato Anthony Lo Cocco Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo - West Side Rocco Lombardo – West Side/LV* Joseph “Little Joe” Lombardo – West Side* Dominic Longo Ralph Madia – South Side* Bruno Mancari – South Side* Pete Mancari – South Side* Al Mancini – Elmwood Park Robert Mangiamele – South Side* Dominic Mangiamele – South Side* Joe Mangiamele – South Side* Anthony Maggio – Elmwood Park Mike Maglieri – South Side Mike Malmenato – West Side* Frank Marasso – South Side Frank “Frankie Frankenstein” Maranto – Elmwood Park* James “Jimmy the Man/Little Jimmy” Marcello – Melrose Park (imprisoned)* Rocco Marcello – Melrose Park* Michael “Big Mickey/Bozo” Marcello – Melrose Park (imprisoned)* Chris Marcotte Dino Marino – Melrose Park* Louis “Louie Tomatoes” Marino – Melrose Park (imprisoned) Charlie Marzano – Melrose Park* Ralph Mascio Thomas “Skinny Tommy” Matassa – Melrose Park* Francis “Patty May” Mazza – Elmwood Park* Joe “Joey May” Mazza – Elmwood Park* Pete Mazullo Lou Mazzei Anthony Menolocino – Elmwood Park Phil Mesi – Elmwood Park Clement “Big Clem” Messino – Elmwood Park* Christopher “Little Dickie” Messino – Elmwood Park* Danny Milano Carmen Miglori – Elmwood Park* Alphonse Mitria Sam Molosi Bruno Monaco August “Little Augie” Monteleone Lou Morelli Ray Morelli Tommy Moretti – Elmwood Park* Leonard Muscia Saverio Mussilanni Robert “Louie the Lmb” Musserino* Romeo Nappi – SoutJh Side Joe Napoli – Stone Park PD Robert Natale – Melrose Park* Tommy Navigato – Elmwood Park Paul Nicolosi John Nitti – West Side* Nick Nitti, jr.* Orlando Nudo – Elmwood Park Joe Oliveri – South Side Cosmo Orlando Joseph “Joe Popeye” Pacella – South Side Jimmy Pacella – South Side Billy Pacella – South Side Frank Palaggi Mike Palermo – South Side Skippy Palermo – South Side Frank Pannos – West Side* Louie Pannos – West Side* Robert Panozzo Charles “Dapper Charlie/Handsome Charlie” Parilli – West Side* Louie Parilli – West Side* Fred Pascente – West Side* Joseph “Joey Grapes/Joey Pooch” Pasucci – South Side* Michael “Mikey Pooch” Pasucci – South Side* Dane Passo – West Side* Al Pavone – South Side* Frank Peccia – Elmwood Park Rocco Pelletieri – South Side* Tommy Pennavaria – Elmwood Park Sam “Blackie” Pesoli – Elmwood Park* Vito Pesoli – Elmwood Park* Lee Pesoli – Elmwood Park* Mike Petruzzi – Melrose Park (former top Tornabene lieutenant)* Lawrence “Hungry Larry” Petitt – Elmwood Park* Joe Pettit – Elmwood Park* Anthony Petronella Ralph Pezuso – South Side Tommy Piazzo – South Side Aldo “Junior” Piscitteli – South Side* Vic Plescia Phil Ponto – West Side Francesco Portera – Elmwood Park Bernard “Bernie Press” Prestigiacomo – Elmwood Park* Michael “Mikey Press” Prestigiacomo - Elmwood Park Bobby Pullia – Melrose Park* Tommy Pullia – Melrose Park* Richard Randazzo – South Side (narcotics) Sam Ranola – South Side Frank Reda – South Side Nick Regilio Roger Riccio – West Side* Frank Riggio Ricky Rinelli – South Side Vito Rizzo – Elmwood Park Rick Rizzulo – LV Ralph Rizzolo – LV Dominic Romanazzi Al Rosetti – South Side* Mike Rossi Bruno “The Bomber” Roti – South Side* Fred Roti – South Side* Jimmy Roti – South Side* Frank Roti – South Side* Salvatore Rotundo Carmen Russo Freddy Russo Anthony Russo Anthony Sabbia – South Side Anthony Sanello – Elmwood Park* Natale Saraceno – Elmwood Park* Vito Salamone - South Side Joe Salamone - South Side Joseph “Big Joe/Joe Sal” Saladino – Rockford John “Johnny Finooch” Salamone – Rockford Pete Salanardi Rosario “Ray” Salerno – Elmwood Park Robert “Bobby the Boxer” Salerno – Melrose Park* John Sansone Nick Sarillio – Elmwood Park* Dominic Scalfaro – South Side Terry Scalise – South Side* Charlie Scalise – South Side* Jerome “Jerry the Hand” Scalise – South Side (semi-retired)* Tommy Scalise Don “Donnie the Sponge” Scalise – Elmwood Park* John Scardina – Melrose Park John Sciacatta Larry Scialabba – Melrose Park* Peter “Chicago Pete/The Music Man” Schivarelli – South Side* Mike “Little Ike” Schivarelli – South Side* Emil Schulo – Melrose Park Ralph Scorpio – West Side Mike Segretti – Elmwood Park John Serpico – Melrose Park John Simonelli Anthony Solano – Elmwood Park* Sam Somenzi – Elmwood Park Joe Spagnola – Elmwood Park Michael “Little Mikey” Spano, Jr. – Melrose Park* Paul Spano – Melrose Park* Joe Spano – Melrose Park* Steve Spano – Melrose Park* Joe Spatuzza – Elmwood Park Anthony “Smiling Tony” Spavone – Elmwood Park* Anthony Spillone Vito Spillone Mike Spingola Richard “Richie Spits” Spizzieri – Melrose Park* John “Johnny Spits” Spizzieri – Melrose Park* Pasquale Spizzinoco – Elmwood Park Ronnie Stella – Elmwood Park Pete Storino – South Side Victor “Fat Vic” Stramaglio – West Side* John Taglianetti – West Side Michael “The Nephew/Handsome Mike” Talerico – South Side* Joe Talerico – South Side* William “Louie the Printer/Big Louie” Tenuta Ray Tominello – South Side/FLA* Ray Tornabene – Melrose Park* Steve Torrello Carmine Trombetta – LV Robert “Bobby U” Urbinatti Gil Valerio Carmen Vece – retired Melrose Park PD Albert “The Falcon” Vena – West Side* Joe Venezia – Melrose Park* Michael “Mickey V” Ventresca – Elmwood Park Bruce Ventura Vic Vita – Melrose Park* Dana Vivano – South Side Sam “Sammy the Blaster” Voldepresto – Melrose Park* Joe Volpe – Elmwood Park* Pete Volpe – Melrose Park Santo Volpe – Melrose Park Dominic Volpe – Elmwood Park Joe Zeno – Elmwood Park Michael “A-I Mike” Zitello – Elmwood Park

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Edited by Dapper_Don (11/25/12 06:33 PM)
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#679015 - 11/25/12 07:18 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Great post Dapper
I've heard Andriacchi was sick but never knew Culotta was sick.
I can't find links about either of them. Does anyone have one?
As you can see there's way more than 28

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#679017 - 11/25/12 07:22 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Dapper_Don]
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Cool post Dapper!thanx
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#679035 - 11/25/12 08:12 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Now dap how many of those are "soldiers" per say? Ivy has told me the outfit only has 28 formally made members left aka they had a ceremony and what not
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#679036 - 11/25/12 08:16 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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123, i wasnt the one who made this list just sharing. I am aware the Outfit started using the formal making ceremony much later than most.
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#679037 - 11/25/12 08:25 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I was only wondering due to the fact that it seemed like a lot of guys for Chicago
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#679038 - 11/25/12 08:32 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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Thanks for the post, dapper.

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#679040 - 11/25/12 08:37 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Now dap how many of those are "soldiers" per say? Ivy has told me the outfit only has 28 formally made members left aka they had a ceremony and what not


Who had the ceremony or not is a very confusing thing with the outfit. IIRC, Carlisi started it when he was boss, then it was kept on and who knows if it even still happens. So lots of old guys never got it, so who knows all had "the ceremony".

IMO, if i were boss, haha, I would have stopped it. There is no other competition in Chicago. Only one family, so no need for lots of official soldiers. Those in the know, know whose who. So having a ceremony only adds to "made" guys and people talking about it. And targets from the FBI.

Better to be thought to have 10 made guys than 100. Now, i have no idea if this is true, just my two cents.

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#679045 - 11/25/12 09:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I was only wondering due to the fact that it seemed like a lot of guys for Chicago


yeah, i suspect most of the vast majority of those guys listed arent made with the formal ceremony but might be influential, the guys who are made have the * next to their name.
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#679047 - 11/25/12 09:44 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Dapper_Don]
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interesting. i literally know next to nothing about chicago. i always thought they did the ceremony different over there.

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#679067 - 11/25/12 11:49 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Nice post, Dapper. Most of it is fairly accurate. I will say that Elmwood & Cicero can basically considered separate families altogether though at this point, with Grand & Chinatown being considered their own families as well, albeit on a much smaller scale. that's the way Aiuppa set it up.

I'd also personally place Inendino higher up than Solly D down there.

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#679068 - 11/25/12 11:51 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Elmwood park is the only crew/family that doesn't make members anymore.

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#679072 - 11/26/12 12:22 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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And Christy fuckin spina is not even a top three in his own crew, let alone a top guy in the entire fuckin outfit lol. anyone going by what the feds say is a goof, they literally have no clue as to what they're talking about.


Edited by ricobenes (11/26/12 12:23 AM)

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#679073 - 11/26/12 12:36 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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So Rico what guy in Chicago do you think has the most power?

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#679079 - 11/26/12 01:26 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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That's so difficult to say. Naturally you would say Johnny Bananas or his brother, or Inendino or solly d, but there are bookies like Marco Damico who have far larger net worths than both those guys. Grand avenue is by far the weakest crew at this point, so it wouldn't be anyone from there.

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#679080 - 11/26/12 01:34 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Who's strongest? Southside? Elmwood? Cicero?.

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#679081 - 11/26/12 01:34 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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And what crew would say is scariest or most violent today

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#679083 - 11/26/12 01:52 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Elmwood is primarily white collar, so if you're talking legitimate business, yes they are the most powerful. Cicero is by far the largest and most feared, and they handle the majority of street level stuff. Chinatown & grand are incomparable to both Cicero and Elmwood, but Chinatown is by far larger and more powerful than grand.

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#679087 - 11/26/12 02:39 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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What ever happened to the chicago heights and rush street crews?

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#679093 - 11/26/12 03:10 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Elmwood park is the only crew/family that doesn't make members anymore.
So who would make a guy Into let's say the Cicero faction Marcello? and is thier any member who has been rumored to be inducted under Marcello or even DiFronzo previously ?

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#679109 - 11/26/12 04:34 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Marcello, Inendino, and the rest of the Cicero upper echelon made over twenty members during the early 2000s. Their names are not known, but there have been rumoured to have been some very young men that were in that group.

@eyes, Chicago heights is most certainly still active. Very little is known about that crew. Rush street was sanctioned into Elmwood, as was Melrose park.

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#679182 - 11/26/12 03:51 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Dapper, awesome post. The most comprehensive view of the Outfit I've seen.

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#679195 - 11/26/12 04:52 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Jimmy_Two_Times]
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Impressive chart. Kudos to the one who made it. However, only a small fraction of the guys listed are formally inducted made members, the rest are associates. Also, I´m not sure everybody on the list is still alive today.
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#679208 - 11/26/12 06:14 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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No way that chart is even remotely accurate, people love to live in a dream world and make out the Outfit still are a big family.

If the feds say 28, I'd believe that over the chart.

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#679276 - 11/26/12 10:44 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TommyGambino]
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The Feds have always been a couple years behind. 28 is way low. There are more than 28 guys on the deck at The Grotto some nights. Ricobenes do you know anything about a crew operating in Valpo? Is that part of Chicago Heights? Thanks.

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#679278 - 11/26/12 10:50 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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the chart is accurate tommy, look at the paragraph of members dapper posted

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#679286 - 11/26/12 11:22 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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I'd like to believe you but I can't, so why is it accurate? Just because it was made by a guy on the internet?

All we can do to speculate how many members a family has is google searching articles and looking for indictments I'm afraid and trying to get any info we can.

The feds know at least 90% of made members in every crime family, I believe that 28-40 is accurate.

Why should I believe there are 70+ made guys?

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#679307 - 11/27/12 12:51 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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The guys with the * are the confirmed made guys from my knowledge, probably number around 40. The 28 member figure was from 2007.
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#679354 - 11/27/12 03:59 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Im thinking around 30 made and perhaps an additional ten who have the status but no ceremony ie Sarno,Feriolla,etc

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#679475 - 11/27/12 10:18 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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even if the some guys are not made they have the power/influence of some soldiers.

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#679538 - 11/28/12 02:46 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Sorry, but you're wrong, bud. The feds don't know much at all, actually. Maybe in NY cause guys are flipping right & left & getting caught with their dick out, but 90% in Chicago where nobody talks & nobody gets arrested is ridiculous. These are the same feds that legitimately thought Joe fucking Lombardo was the head of the outfit, when in reality, he ran its weakest crew. 40-50 made guys is a very low estimate.

For the last time nick ferriola has no status lol

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#679541 - 11/28/12 02:53 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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@fried yes the valparaiso area & any type of gambling in Indiana, along with the casinos out there, belong mainly to the Heights. I personally know absolutely nothing about that family, other than they mainly deal with each other now, and sometimes Cicero.

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#679542 - 11/28/12 03:06 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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I get a little lost when people refer to separate families in the Outfit. Are these 'families' not just autonomous crews? How was a split in to multiple 'families' allowed to happen. Thanks smile

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#679544 - 11/28/12 03:32 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Okay Barrett, excellent question, and I will try & explain this fascinating situation as best I can:

During the Outfit's arguable peak (the Giancana period), it was ran as one family. Sure, it was much larger, & there were more crews than the current 5, but no matter what happened, Ricca/Giancana had a final say in pretty much everything that took place. This proved detrimental, obviously, to the Outfit's longevity & well being, so during the mid to late 70s, Aiuppa/Cerone/Accardo constructed a different type of system, one where each crew was separately insulated and an entity unto itself, a "family", if you will, with Cicero & Elmwood Park being the two heaviest of these families, and Grand Ave, Chinatown, & the Heights being the three sub families, which continues to this day. Aiuppa also implemented people he trusted at the head of each family. In doing this, he allowed the outfit much more breathing room and insulation. LaPietra, Lombardo, Cerone, etc were all technically beneath Aiuppa & his Cicero family, but ran their own crews as if they were separate families entirely. IE, if you were/are a Chinatown soldier, you have no business fraternizing with an Elmwood soldier. You deal with members of your own family & answer to your boss. Likewise, the boss of, say, Grand Ave doesn't have to get everything okd by the top boss. He controls is crew as if it were his own private family, obtains much more power/control/responsibility. Families were in turn almost encouraged to not associate with members of other families, very similar to the NY set up, obviously on a much smaller, more secretive scale. Hope that helps, any other questions, please ask.

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#679547 - 11/28/12 03:54 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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hey rico does the outfit involved with any families in other cities or is it just chicago area today?

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#679555 - 11/28/12 05:05 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Sure they do

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#679558 - 11/28/12 05:21 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Sure they do


Which ones might I ask? I could see something like Gary, Indiana but I thought they were long defunct in places like Omaha, Des Moines, Milwaukee, and Vegas where they once had crews.
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#679565 - 11/28/12 05:37 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Doubt they have anything in Gary. Almost all black there

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#679570 - 11/28/12 05:53 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Nothing is ever defunct in Vegas lol, especially these days with how gigantic it is, they're still out there. LA area as well as San Diego, and KC, MO, Cleveland, and I'm sure some guys rub elbows with ny & philly/ny guys, but that's nothing new. Outfit has always had heavy interests in Mexico, Caribbean, central America, and especially aruba and south America as well.

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#679573 - 11/28/12 06:12 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Doubt they have anything in Gary. Almost all black there


lol
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#679583 - 11/28/12 08:39 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti]
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I must remind you guys that Rico was caught lying recently. Just saying...
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#679590 - 11/28/12 09:44 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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No I wasn't, al capone is my cousin haha we went to da bears game on Sunday. This clown just crawls right out of the woodwork ehh

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#679593 - 11/28/12 10:27 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
This clown just crawls right out of the woodwork ehh


That´s funny! Where have you been the last two weeks or so? I bet you´ve been lurking around in the dark but haven´t been able to post. Howcome?
And yes, you were caught lying. How can you deny that?
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#679596 - 11/28/12 12:44 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Where have I been? What the hell kind of question is that? What do you care? First you want to know where I "get my information from", then what I do during my spare time. What's next? Want my address & telephone number? And I don't recall ever lying. I do, however, recall clowning on some puny little goofball though, that I remember...

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#679598 - 11/28/12 01:15 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Sorry guys but yall sound like a couple! tongue lol kidding!cheers
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#679599 - 11/28/12 01:17 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Ricobenes comes across as a blatant liar to me, giving out all this information like there facts when he has no proof.

Let me guess, your from Chicago Rico? Just because Chicago is now one of the smaller families you try and make things up, very sad individual.

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#679601 - 11/28/12 01:39 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TommyGambino]
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Well, he´s certainly an individual who´s got his facts wrong that´s for sure.

Rico, you are still not going to answer any of my questions are you? Being defensive does not help you in any way, I can tell you that. Why don´t you just admit that your sources are in fact crazy ideas popping up in your head while reading comic books and taking baths?
You are living in a fantasy world, pretending to be a wiseguy who knows stuff about the outfit just because you "heard things on the street". It´s time to wake up and smell the coffey my friend. Get back to reality, get real and stop bullshitting about the outfit being an all mighty gang with pull throughout the US, Mexico, Carribean, Central America etc. You look like a fool.

One more thing. I hope I´m not hurting your feelings...but Giancana was a muppet!
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#679603 - 11/28/12 01:53 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: HairyKnuckles]
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Giancana was a muppet alright,BUT one of the best muppets around at the time
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#679605 - 11/28/12 02:06 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons.
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#679609 - 11/28/12 02:38 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Toodoped]
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Originally Posted By: Toodoped
I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons.


Supposedly Frank Nitti was boss after capone until his suicide apparently to avoid prison because he was claustrophobic .

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#679613 - 11/28/12 02:45 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I always thought Ricca and Accardo were of equal status in the Outfit?

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#679615 - 11/28/12 02:49 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Camarel]
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I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons.


Supposedly Frank Nitti was boss after capone until his suicide apparently to avoid prison because he was claustrophobic .


This is just my opinion...you can read in many Chi Outfit books or docs or what ever,that on the meetings Ricca always had the last word.I remember Chuck Giancana sayin in his book that even as kids they knew that Ricca was the real thing not Nitti,now why would he lie about that?!.My opinion is that Nitti was a front boss for the Chi commission.Ricca and Accardo were the young turks,takin over things at the time.One time Ricca went to jail and Accardo busted his ass of work to get Ricca out,so what does that tell ya?!
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#679617 - 11/28/12 02:53 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Toodoped]
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Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: Toodoped
I want to add something about the Giancana situation...yes Giancana was a muppet but the Chi Outfit made a LOT of money and international connections during Mooneys reign,so the real boss of the Outfit after Capone till 1972 was RICCA.After Ricca's death a lot of his proteges were eliminated,including Giancana for what ever reasons.


Supposedly Frank Nitti was boss after capone until his suicide apparently to avoid prison because he was claustrophobic .


This is just my opinion...you can read in many Chi Outfit books or docs or what ever,that on the meetings Ricca always had the last word.I remember Chuck Giancana sayin in his book that even as kids they knew that Ricca was the real thing not Nitti,now why would he lie about that?!.My opinion is that Nitti was a front boss for the Chi commission.Ricca and Accardo were the young turks,takin over things at the time.One time Ricca went to jail and Accardo busted his ass of work to get Ricca out,so what does that tell ya?!


I like how you start off by saying it's your opinion then present it as fact lol. Anyway...you're probably right i barely know anything about Chicago haven't read any books on them. I probably hearrd that in a cheesy documentary lol

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#679620 - 11/28/12 02:58 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Camarel]
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I like how you start off by saying it's your opinion then present it as fact :lol


Youre not the first one sayin that but...what can i do?! grin
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#679650 - 11/28/12 08:52 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Okay is this hairyknuckles guy the officially appointed thread derailer around here or something? Just constantly sticking his nose where he knows he's not welcomed. Am I getting what do you people call it, trolled and I didn't even know it? Hahahaha

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#679651 - 11/28/12 08:54 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Guys, take this stuff off the boards. If you can't speak to each other civilly then ignore each other.
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#679654 - 11/28/12 09:15 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Toodoped no offense pal you seem like a nice guy but you're completely lost frown

Yes camarel nitti certainly became boss after capone left, and was really the top guy during capones last few years. Nitti was really a very intelligent, rational guy, and I believe would have became the long reigning boss with Ricca by his side. Ricca said he learned a lot of his aesthetics from Nitti. But like you said, the can was just too much for him, and he would have rather died than flipped, Chicago style wink

No Accardo was never, ever on the level of Ricca haha, and they were never young turks together. Accardo was a mid level level Taylor street guy that moved up to the Patch (grand ave) during the prime of Taylor st & Giancana/Ricca's 42 Gang. It then became Taylor St. vs Grand Ave during that period back then, with Accardo/Cerone heading Grand Ave (the weaker crew) & Giancana/Ricca controlling Taylor st, which was the absolutely powerhouse. Giancana was Paul's protege, and Jackie Cerone was Accardo's. There was a ton of hate on Grand Ave & Cicero back then because they were the two weakest crews, and it ended coming back to bite Sam in the ass when he came home, as Aiuppa's Cicero had ironically become the dominant crew in a very short period of time (joey o was one power hungry guy). Things changed rather quickly & drastically when Giancana went away & Aiuppa was free to place his trusted Cicero guys where old Taylor st guys previously sat pretty. Chinatown is a prime example of that. Hope that helps.

Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha


Edited by ricobenes (11/28/12 09:17 PM)

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#679655 - 11/28/12 09:15 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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SC understood buddy I'm done with this specimen hahaha

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#679657 - 11/28/12 09:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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On the chart it says they have operatives in Italy. Is that true?

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#679658 - 11/28/12 09:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Toodoped no offense pal you seem like a nice guy but you're completely lost frown

Yes camarel nitti certainly became boss after capone left, and was really the top guy during capones last few years. Nitti was really a very intelligent, rational guy, and I believe would have became the long reigning boss with Ricca by his side. Ricca said he learned a lot of his aesthetics from Nitti. But like you said, the can was just too much for him, and he would have rather died than flipped, Chicago style wink

No Accardo was never, ever on the level of Ricca haha, and they were never young turks together. Accardo was a mid level level Taylor street guy that moved up to the Patch (grand ave) during the prime of Taylor st & Giancana/Ricca's 42 Gang. It then became Taylor St. vs Grand Ave during that period back then, with Accardo/Cerone heading Grand Ave (the weaker crew) & Giancana/Ricca controlling Taylor st, which was the absolutely powerhouse. Giancana was Paul's protege, and Jackie Cerone was Accardo's. There was a ton of hate on Grand Ave & Cicero back then because they were the two weakest crews, and it ended coming back to bite Sam in the ass when he came home, as Aiuppa's Cicero had ironically become the dominant crew in a very short period of time (joey o was one power hungry guy). Things changed rather quickly & drastically when Giancana went away & Aiuppa was free to place his trusted Cicero guys where old Taylor st guys previously sat pretty. Chinatown is a prime example of that. Hope that helps.

Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha


First of all thanx for the compliments,second i dont agree on the part that Ricca and the others learned a lot from Nitti,they considered him as an idiot and third...who the f**k sad somethin about the present outfit?!Im talkin about the past,the Giancana times and yes,in thouse times they couldve improt cocaine even from Venezuela if they wanted to
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#679659 - 11/28/12 09:40 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Eyes, yes I'm sure that's true.

Also no one ever considered frank Nitti an idiot honestly where in shit's name do you kids come up with this crapola?

And I wasn't responding to you with the modern outfit stuff, that was someone else. Other people post here......crazy right?

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#679660 - 11/28/12 09:44 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha

^^^ Who are you refering to here?
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“Behind every great fortune, there is a crime!”

What's the diference between the Government and the Mafia?

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#679661 - 11/28/12 09:44 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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"Import cocaine" Hahaha "yes ill have seventy kilos of fishscale, please. That will be debit"

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#679662 - 11/28/12 09:46 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I don't know, I forget, someone who got their panties bunched up on the last page, I'm starting to lose count haha!!!!

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#679663 - 11/28/12 09:46 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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#679664 - 11/28/12 09:54 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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#679666 - 11/28/12 09:56 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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#679673 - 11/28/12 10:24 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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have you seen this chart ricobenes?
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7967/outfitt.gif

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#679677 - 11/28/12 10:29 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Chicago has always had a relationship with Detroit as well. There is a Detroit solider living in the West Burbs of Chicago, but I don't know the arrangement the families have together.

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#679678 - 11/28/12 10:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Ahh I'm on the mobile Eyes, it won't load. Who made it and how old is it??

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#679679 - 11/28/12 10:32 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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#679680 - 11/28/12 10:34 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I'm sure its the same as Cleveland or anywhere else, Fried. Couple guys rubbing elbows & breaking bread. Remember people saying "oh Cleveland is dead, collinwood is dead" and then the Fratto taps get revealed & turns out, WRONG, hahahah

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#679681 - 11/28/12 10:36 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Rico,

Couple of questions for you. Does the Chinatown crew have the River North area? A lot of bars, restaurants, properties have sprung up in that area in the last decade. I know the Barleycorn, Moes Cantina owner is a Bridgeport guy. A few years ago before Richie Cat passed he stopped into BOSS Bar with a young Italian bodybuilder type. I was the only guy in there that afternoon. All of the staff came up and greeted him like he was royalty. Did he have a piece of it? Also are you familiar with the Marco Island. Outfit has been going down there since the Capone days. Seems like a lot of the CME/Oakbrook guys have places down there or no?

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#679682 - 11/28/12 10:40 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Fried, I will not comment on the river north area, sorry. Yes Marco island has always been an outfit hotbed.

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#679684 - 11/28/12 10:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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rico have you ever been to gene and georgettis

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#679686 - 11/28/12 10:50 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Yes of course, many times. Why?

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#679687 - 11/28/12 10:58 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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If that's the chart that has Joe Andrich as a top guy, its pretty far off. Any chart that has Chicago as one family is going to be off, its two now. There isn't a viable outfit chart out there and probably won't be another one for quite some time. People are just gonna have to accept that for what it is.

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#679691 - 11/28/12 11:09 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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do you think it's a mob hangout?

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#679692 - 11/28/12 11:10 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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#679698 - 11/28/12 11:28 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Haha I'm not making a chart. Gene & Georgetti's of course is a hangout, that's the obvious one. Volare & the Gibson's patio are the other two in that area, amongst many others, but those are the three you will see a lot of older heavies at. The young guys have different hangouts, naturally.

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#679709 - 11/29/12 02:41 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Things changed rather quickly & drastically when Giancana went away & Aiuppa was free to place his trusted Cicero guys where old Taylor st guys previously sat pretty. Chinatown is a prime example of that. Hope that helps.



Please explain this a little more. What positions do you speak of that "sat pretty". How is Chinatown a prime example of that?


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#679710 - 11/29/12 02:44 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Okay Barrett, excellent question, and I will try & explain this fascinating situation as best I can:

During the Outfit's arguable peak (the Giancana period), it was ran as one family. Sure, it was much larger, & there were more crews than the current 5, but no matter what happened, Ricca/Giancana had a final say in pretty much everything that took place. This proved detrimental, obviously, to the Outfit's longevity & well being, so during the mid to late 70s, Aiuppa/Cerone/Accardo constructed a different type of system, one where each crew was separately insulated and an entity unto itself, a "family", if you will, with Cicero & Elmwood Park being the two heaviest of these families, and Grand Ave, Chinatown, & the Heights being the three sub families, which continues to this day. Aiuppa also implemented people he trusted at the head of each family. In doing this, he allowed the outfit much more breathing room and insulation. LaPietra, Lombardo, Cerone, etc were all technically beneath Aiuppa & his Cicero family, but ran their own crews as if they were separate families entirely. IE, if you were/are a Chinatown soldier, you have no business fraternizing with an Elmwood soldier. You deal with members of your own family & answer to your boss. Likewise, the boss of, say, Grand Ave doesn't have to get everything okd by the top boss. He controls is crew as if it were his own private family, obtains much more power/control/responsibility. Families were in turn almost encouraged to not associate with members of other families, very similar to the NY set up, obviously on a much smaller, more secretive scale. Hope that helps, any other questions, please ask.


Very informative. I have been looking for something like this for a while. Thanks.

Also, in this setup, how often did each crew boss meet with Aiuppa? Ever? Never? Would they have to? Could Aiuppa supersede a crew bosses decision?

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#679713 - 11/29/12 03:22 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Toodoped no offense pal you seem like a nice guy but you're completely lost frown

Yes camarel nitti certainly became boss after capone left, and was really the top guy during capones last few years. Nitti was really a very intelligent, rational guy, and I believe would have became the long reigning boss with Ricca by his side. Ricca said he learned a lot of his aesthetics from Nitti. But like you said, the can was just too much for him, and he would have rather died than flipped, Chicago style wink

No Accardo was never, ever on the level of Ricca haha, and they were never young turks together. Accardo was a mid level level Taylor street guy that moved up to the Patch (grand ave) during the prime of Taylor st & Giancana/Ricca's 42 Gang. It then became Taylor St. vs Grand Ave during that period back then, with Accardo/Cerone heading Grand Ave (the weaker crew) & Giancana/Ricca controlling Taylor st, which was the absolutely powerhouse. Giancana was Paul's protege, and Jackie Cerone was Accardo's. There was a ton of hate on Grand Ave & Cicero back then because they were the two weakest crews, and it ended coming back to bite Sam in the ass when he came home, as Aiuppa's Cicero had ironically become the dominant crew in a very short period of time (joey o was one power hungry guy). Things changed rather quickly & drastically when Giancana went away & Aiuppa was free to place his trusted Cicero guys where old Taylor st guys previously sat pretty. Chinatown is a prime example of that. Hope that helps.

Also don't be ridiculous the outfit isn't some mega gang that controls various parts of the world. They just aren't as tiny as some of you might think. They have interests & a few guys here & there throughout the places I mentioned haha, its not like they're controlling cocaine distribution in Venezuela or something pfffhahahaha


Ok, I will agree to disagree on a few of those things but some of it seems solid. Which guys did Aiuppa put in to Chinatown, and who did they replace? Offhand can you name any Aiuppa loyalists that came in to power after the Giancana loyalists went away? Who were his loyalists basically.

EDIT: Yeah I have the same question as PP.


Edited by BarrettM (11/29/12 03:22 AM)

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#679714 - 11/29/12 03:32 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I knoe Angelo LaPietra was the South side captain for a while

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#679722 - 11/29/12 04:38 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Right, LaPietra was the big one. Skids Caruso ran Chinatown for almost 20 years and was "asked" to step down so that Aiuppa could implement Angelo, who nevertheless continued to take care of the Carusos & the Rotis, as Aiuppa wouldn't dare snap those 1st ward ties. Taylor st was completely deactivated & all of its action shifted down Ashland to Chinatown, with LaPietra going from mere capo in Cicero to fully fledged king of Chinatown. Melrose park was sanctioned into Elmwood park, because Aiuppa did not want a crew to be based out of his hometown, therefore making Elmwood Park the second largest crew. Cerone was given Elmwood, making him 2nd in command, with accardo continuing to act as consigliere as he always had. Lombardo who was close with Cerone was given grand ave (at an extremely young age) after accardo & Cerone left for Elmwood. Keep in mind Aiuppa reached out to accardo/Cerone when Sam & Ricca froze them all out. Aiuppa had brought Cicero back into fruition which was deemed an impossible task (which is why Sam "gave" it to him, despite Aiuppa pleading for his hometown of Melrose park). Aiuppa/Cerone/accardo had been planning to overthrow Taylor st since the early 60s, they just needed to wait out their opening. Trust that if Sam hadn't gotten unlucky Aiuppa never would have became boss.

To answer PPs questions, like I stated, Aiuppa set up the outfit like a miniature version of NY if you will. of course Aiuppa & Cerone still maintained top control and final say in serious situations, but each crew boss was given much more power, and that particular crew boss's capos became more powerful, and the crew in general. Bosses were/are encouraged to keep to themselves and encourage their soldiers not to associate with soldiers from other crews. Rarely is a Chinatown guy familiar with the inner workings of the Elmwood park crew, etc etc. for example, if you'll read through, say, Nick Calabreses testimony, he said he had met Al Tocco & Marcello (and others) for the first time during his making ceremony, in his late 40s, had never seen them or heard of them previously. That was not uncommon. If a guy from Cicero gets popped, he wont be able to give them anything on any of the other crews, and due to the intimacy of his own crew/family probably wouldn't flip (hopefully) on them either. It was pretty genius, and allows the outfit to operate in relative secrecy until this day. Carlisi/Marcello & DiFronzo did a lot to continue Aiuppas vision as well. Infelice almost ruined it for everyone haha

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#679724 - 11/29/12 04:42 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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So im guessing there's nothing going on in taylor street today?
And do you know much about Toots Caruso? Not much about him online

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#679732 - 11/29/12 05:24 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Taylor street & Melrose park are just Italian neighbourhoods now, there are no crews there anymore. Cicero is very strange. The name of the crew is Cicero, but there is no business conducted in Cicero and no Italians live there anymore, they just run the town & tax the Hispanics that live there now, and the Cicero crew operates out of SW burbs.

Skids Caruso was a guy from Taylor st, strong made guy out of giancanas 42 gang. Sam gave him Chinatown when the Italians first settled into that area and Skids made it his own, married into the roti family I believe, and the rest is history. His son & namesake, you know who, current king of Chinatown is the Caruso most think of when they hear the name these days. Lapietra mentored Skids kids well and always kept them relevant down there. Skids is a legend and one of the most well respected guys in the history of the thing, tough guy, so are his kids.

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#679852 - 11/30/12 03:11 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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So is Frank Caruso one of the most powerful capos in the outfit today? Or is it Matassa, Pete Difronzo, ect

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#679886 - 11/30/12 08:40 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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#679887 - 11/30/12 08:40 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Tootsie Caruso is the boss of Chinatown & has been for over a decade now, yes that family is extremely powerful. Pete is extremely wealthy & powerful as well, matassa is not near either of them in terms of power, but also a very serious guy.

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#679888 - 11/30/12 08:54 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Tootsie Caruso is the boss of Chinatown & has been for over a decade now, yes that family is extremely powerful. Pete is extremely wealthy & powerful as well, matassa is not near either of them in terms of power, but also a very serious guy.


I mean I would assume he's a very series guy could you please elaborate? I think I changed my mind and would go with Difronzo I don't follow the outfit as closely as other members of this board do but hasn't Difronzo's allegiance been questioned before I feel that he may feed some information to the feds in order to keep things running no?

Is he involved with unions? Chicago Construction Companies seem to run deep when they can outbid a non-union company by $50 million dollars on a job!
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#679891 - 11/30/12 09:13 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Tootsie Caruso is the boss of Chinatown & has been for over a decade now, yes that family is extremely powerful. Pete is extremely wealthy & powerful as well, matassa is not near either of them in terms of power, but also a very serious guy.


I mean I would assume he's a very series guy could you please elaborate? I think I changed my mind and would go with Difronzo I don't follow the outfit as closely as other members of this board do but hasn't Difronzo's allegiance been questioned before I feel that he may feed some information to the feds in order to keep things running no?

Is he involved with unions? Chicago Construction Companies seem to run deep when they can outbid a non-union company by $50 million dollars on a job!


I'm sorry I don't know who or what we are comparing.

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#679894 - 11/30/12 09:25 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Who has the most influence within the outfit? Everyone thinks their such a mystery I think they have a lot of legitimate business's that launder a lot of money that's just be speculating though I'm not an expert on the outfit
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#679897 - 11/30/12 10:04 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Influence is such a broad term. Influence in regards to what? If you're talking the two most respected, powerful guys, you have to say probably Johnny Bananas or Jimmy Inendino, but they are old, old men. Bananas in particular is a little old man that you can see driving down Harlem every day getting coffee and going home to his little two flat. Those guys aren't active street guys in any way, but they're probably the two most respected elder statesmen & garner the most respect. Johnny never even wanted to be boss, it was dumped on him when Marcello went away the first time. Elmwood park isn't so much active on the street. They've even let Cicero have a lot of their turf. Elmwood is large grocery store chains, huge legitimate companies, casinos, condos, and so forth. Not to say there aren't still feared hard heads in Elmwood, but its absolutely nothing like Cicero, Chinatown, or even grand ave or the heights. If you want real old time, old school Chicago outfit, you go out to Lombard, Westchester, bridgeport, Berwyn, etc. As far as most feared, id say guys like Tootsie & Solly D are still very powerful, very feared individuals. They are still relatively young(ish) & active on the street, especially the Carusos. The older guys aren't anything to worry about anymore, no one is worried about johnny bananas geriatric ass breaking down their door lol. The young guys control a lot now, especially young Cicero guys, and you won't hear their names until 10-15 maybe 20 years from now, if they ever get popped for anything. I'm sure it'll happen eventually

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#679898 - 11/30/12 11:14 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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^^ Yeah I bet your a solider lol
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#679900 - 11/30/12 11:28 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Lol you wish. Then you could all run & tell your buddies that you talked to a real outfit guy!!

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#679901 - 11/30/12 11:37 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Lol you wish. Then you could all run & tell your buddies that you talked to a real outfit guy!!


lol Yeah whatever man The outfit my ass lol
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#679909 - 11/30/12 01:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Haha go ahead & think that Italian street level crime in Chicago doesn't exist, they love guys like you. Keep them under the radar.


Edited by ricobenes (11/30/12 01:43 PM)

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#679910 - 11/30/12 01:46 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Also I believe you implied pudge matassa has more power than Tootsie Caruso & Pete DiFronzo...what would lead you to assume that?

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#679913 - 11/30/12 02:56 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Who the fuck is pudge matassa



I haven't been able to shit in two days ...
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#679939 - 11/30/12 07:36 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Haha dicknose you're killing me lol lol lol
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#679940 - 11/30/12 07:39 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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But I've also heard that Difronzo might be an informant as well. Not to say I also haven't heard the top echelon of Chicago is loaded in terms of owning property and money.
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#679947 - 11/30/12 09:14 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Are you kidding? The DiFronzos own tons of property and are millionaire's.
And dicknose pudgy matassa is the captain of the cicero crew

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#679951 - 11/30/12 09:38 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Sorry nicky that was a typo on my part. I "have" heard that Difronzo and company are very wealthy
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#679955 - 11/30/12 10:05 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Are you kidding? The DiFronzos own tons of property and are millionaire's.
And dicknose pudgy matassa is the captain of the cicero crew


I love how you're an expert on the outfit now since you've asked Ricobenes a few questions lol


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#679962 - 11/30/12 10:33 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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When did i ever say i was an expert? I never asked any of the things he told me in my post because i knew that before. Nice try

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#679963 - 11/30/12 10:37 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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When did i ever say i was an expert? I never asked any of the things he told me in my post because i knew that before. Nice try


lol Nicky i was kidding it was just funny that after 4 pages of your questions you started providing the answers

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#679964 - 11/30/12 10:38 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Ok but everything i know wasn't from asking questions on here

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#679970 - 11/30/12 10:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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Haha dicknose you're killing me lol lol lol


The best laugh today had gotta be the roy demeo andy warhol colored portrait on mobguys facebook
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#679972 - 11/30/12 10:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Ok but everything i know wasn't from asking questions on here


Well done then clap

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#679973 - 11/30/12 10:43 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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What's his facebook name

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#679974 - 11/30/12 10:44 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti]
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Haha dicknose you're killing me lol lol lol


The best laugh today had gotta be the roy demeo andy warhol colored portrait on mobguys facebook


You're kidding me lol Link?

I'm not gullible btw i just wouldn't be surprised lol

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#679975 - 11/30/12 10:46 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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What's his facebook name


Paul Castellano i'm not sure exactly though cos he can't be the first guy with that name lol

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#679977 - 11/30/12 10:48 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Yeah there's like 50 of them

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#679979 - 11/30/12 10:53 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Yeah there's like 50 of them


Found it wink

http://en-gb.facebook.com/paul.castellano.14

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#680010 - 12/01/12 03:26 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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Who the fuck is pudge matassa



I haven't been able to shit in two days ...


LMAOOOO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
But I've also heard that Difronzo might be an informant as well. Not to say I also haven't heard the top echelon of Chicago is loaded in terms of owning property and money.


It is interesting that he escaped prosecution in the family secrets case especially when nick calabrese named him in open court as being involved in the spilotro murders...does make you wonder especially since the feds said they have a few high ranking outfit guys who have been informing for the fbi for decades.
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#680014 - 12/01/12 03:42 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Dapper_Don]
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Who the fuck is pudge matassa



I haven't been able to shit in two days ...


LMAOOOO
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
But I've also heard that Difronzo might be an informant as well. Not to say I also haven't heard the top echelon of Chicago is loaded in terms of owning property and money.


It is interesting that he escaped prosecution in the family secrets case especially when nick calabrese named him in open court as being involved in the spilotro murders...does make you wonder especially since the feds said they have a few high ranking outfit guys who have been informing for the fbi for decades.


Nick didn't just name him as being at the murders, he also mentioned him as representing Jack Cerone/Elmwood Park at his making ceremony, which is also pretty huge. Whatever he did, it worked. He drives around the city like some middle class old man.

Also, pudge matassa is an Elmwood park guy now. He was under Vince solano on rush street for years, and went to Elmwood after they deactivated rush st & sanctioned it into elmwood, he's supposedly under Marco out there.

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#680025 - 12/01/12 04:50 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I don't think Difronzo is an informant.
Rico do you know the current health status of joe cullota and joe andrachii? A lot of people say their really sick, have cancer, ect. Do you know if that's true?

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#680030 - 12/01/12 06:02 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Who knows, accardo & difronzo are probably dry beefers, but they probably had something worked out that benefited everyone, and Johnny bananas sure as hell ain't going down for anything, he manned the ship when no one else wanted the responsibility, and he's ancient compared to those guys (except for Lombardo who fucked his own self). Marcello fucked himself too, with that mistress of his, but he will be back out and take back the reigns. But no way Johnny bananas was going down for a trio of knucklehead derpyderp idiots (The Three Calabrese) that shit where they ate one too many times. The only one on par with DiFronzo in that trial was Marcello. The Calabreses, schweihs, & Lumpy the clown was Grand & Chinatown guys, respectively, the two weakest families. The Calabreses especially were strong guys around the Port, but in the grand scheme of things they were just three Chinatown made guys that got popped for bein reckless clowns & dabbling in drugs. Not bosses of anything or top level guys.


Edited by ricobenes (12/01/12 06:59 AM)

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#680117 - 12/01/12 05:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I thought Marcello got life in prison?

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#680122 - 12/01/12 05:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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"A confidential FBI informant, who felt abandoned by the Outfit and was motivated to talk, told the feds in 2007 that Mutt and Jeff “were the current Outfit bosses in the Chicago area,” according to the previously sealed federal document.
It details the bloody rise of Sarno in the mob, and Cataudella’s alleged supporting role...based on three confidential informants, including a veteran source who provided information for the last 25 years and is “personally acquainted with numerous top members of the Chicago Outfit.”
Another informant associated with two Outfit crews said the motive to provide information was “because many individuals, including a member of the Chicago Outfit, had abandoned” the informant.
The veteran informant noted that Sarno and one superior, Anthony Zizzo, had been involved in a “drawn out feud” over money shortly before Zizzo disappeared in August 2006, never to be seen again.
Zizzo had previously been assigned by mob bosses to straighten out something that Sarno had “f----- up” and that mistake had enraged then Outfit chief James Marcello, according to the veteran informant.
While one informant put Sarno and Cataudella at the top of the Chicago Outfit, another informant advised the FBI that Sarno was still turning over money to reputed Outfit underboss John “No Nose” DiFronzo, also known as “Johnny Bananas.” Another source of information noted that Sarno was higher in the leadership structure and collecting money from reputed 26th Street crew boss Frank “Tootsie Babe” Caruso."

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/03/new-fbi-document-details-rise-of-mutt.html

"Calabrese testified in 2007 that DiFronzo was among the dozen or more men who fatally beat Anthony and Michael Spilotro in 1986, but he was never charged.

"We've tried to heal over the years," Patrick Spilotro said by phone from Arizona, "but there's still one person out there — John DiFronzo — who has not been indicted or convicted."

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/06/weakened-by-convictions-chicago-mob.html

Here's a video interview with John DiFronzo

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/06/meet-boss-of-chicago-mob-john-no-nose.html


Edited by Dapper_Don (12/01/12 05:51 PM)
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#680125 - 12/01/12 05:50 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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wonder who they are...

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#680191 - 12/01/12 11:26 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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This is old news, and it obviously didn't do much damage. Family secrets trial was pretty irrelevant too, besides Marcello getting canned. But Cicero is so large & well organized that it wasn't a huge road bump.

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#680204 - 12/02/12 12:09 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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didnt that guy sarno just get 30yrs in the feds that' 25yrs with good time i say thats alife sentence for anyone over 40ty especially for tall obese people.

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#680208 - 12/02/12 12:23 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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yeah Most likely I heard is health is in bad shape right now
I agree that family secrets was way overhyped

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#680232 - 12/02/12 02:23 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: pmac]
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didnt that guy sarno just get 30yrs in the feds that' 25yrs with good time i say thats alife sentence for anyone over 40ty especially for tall obese people.


Fat fuck sarno will get out much sooner than that, if he doesn't have a heart attack first. In all honesty, Cicero is much better off without him. His family has started the FREE BIG MIKE t-shirt craze here in Chicago, I guess one of the NY mob wives was seen wearing one, the outfit hates that shit, but that is a classic example of why sarno was headed to the can eventually anyways

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#680241 - 12/02/12 02:54 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Rico do you believe Frank Caruso kicked money up to Sarno? I've heard many people say it but i don't think that's true.

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#680271 - 12/02/12 05:43 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Yes if you'll scroll up I said that. Obviously Chinatown is beneath Cicero, they are a sub family, Cicero is the big daddy down there. Sarno is Cicero. Doesn't make him more powerful than Frank, but his crew is more powerful


Edited by ricobenes (12/02/12 05:45 AM)

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#680367 - 12/02/12 09:41 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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i just realized your username is from a pizza place


Edited by NickyEyes1 (12/02/12 09:42 PM)

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#680378 - 12/02/12 10:49 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Haha derp. More of an Italian food joint

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#680423 - 12/03/12 01:59 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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watching this video it says rudy fratto is a top 5 guy in the outfit. They are also saying he's boss. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8407085
He also mentions gene and georgettis
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8818674

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#680523 - 12/03/12 05:57 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Joe Fosco has been pushing the idea of DiFronzo being a dry snitch. He has some hatred/anger towards DiFronzo, so take it for what its worth. The guy does know his stuff, but there may be more to it.

One of DiFronzo's business's is a garbage hauling company. And there was a big story a few years ago because the tribune or sun times was found out that his company had a contract to haul garbage from a bunch of government buildings. The paper was wondering how a reputed mobsters company could be awarded a government contract. Don't remember how that ended up.

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#680547 - 12/03/12 08:14 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: PP]
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Originally Posted By: PP
Joe Fosco has been pushing the idea of DiFronzo being a dry snitch. He has some hatred/anger towards DiFronzo, so take it for what its worth. The guy does know his stuff, but there may be more to it.

One of DiFronzo's business's is a garbage hauling company. And there was a big story a few years ago because the tribune or sun times was found out that his company had a contract to haul garbage from a bunch of government buildings. The paper was wondering how a reputed mobsters company could be awarded a government contract. Don't remember how that ended up.


I'll tell you how it ended up: D&P is now the largest dumpster company in the Chicagoland area...... Like I said, DiFronzo & accardo were probably dry snitches, or had some old fed buddies up top from back in the day. Who knows. All we know is that Elmwood Park has been untouchable ever since Marco got out of the can. They were the only crew besides the Heights not touched during family secrets. They continue to operate & their legit businesses just keep on expanding, marianos is the new hot grocery store chain throughout the city, rivaling whole foods market in some areas.

Fosco is fosco, he is obviously extremely educated, but his views tend to be biased, obviously, especially towards Bananas & Elmwood Park, and I suppose its deserved, they did ruin his life, although he most likely brought the majority of it upon his own damn self.

Did you two check out the Cooley interviews i linked? I started a new thread for them, not sure if they've ever been posted or whether or not you seen em, but they're interesting to say the least.

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#680583 - 12/03/12 10:41 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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what happened to fosco?

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#680593 - 12/03/12 11:28 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Rico,

Cooley claimed that Marco ran gambling in Rockford, but Saladino of Rockford was aligned with Calabrese and the Chinatown crew. How did that work out? Also was Marco with Cicero at one point? I know him and Sarno are very close. I assume Sarno named his son after him.

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#680594 - 12/03/12 11:34 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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This is my line at Marianos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tncd84NYJ1Y

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#680601 - 12/04/12 12:40 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
what happened to fosco?


His story is the reason he started ANP, it is well documented on there. It is too lengthy for me to get into here, revert to anp.

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#680603 - 12/04/12 12:45 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: FriedRavioliFarts]
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Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts
Rico,

Cooley claimed that Marco ran gambling in Rockford, but Saladino of Rockford was aligned with Calabrese and the Chinatown crew. How did that work out? Also was Marco with Cicero at one point? I know him and Sarno are very close. I assume Sarno named his son after him.


Cheech (frank Sr) was a sloppy idiot, slopped things up up there, toots is close with Marco from way back, asked him to help clean things up, that's really the gist of it.

Marco spent 17 years in Cicero, him & Mooch Eboli were more or less Obrien's adopted sons, since Obrien couldn't have kids due to an unknown STD. Yes, fat sarnos punk kid is named after Marco.

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#680622 - 12/04/12 02:41 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Rico what is don scalises current involvement in the outfit?

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#680626 - 12/04/12 03:01 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Also what's actually going on with Mike Magnafichi why is he listed on charts still?

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#680628 - 12/04/12 04:05 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: NickyEyes1]
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Rico what is don scalises current involvement in the outfit?


I cannot answer that sry

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#680629 - 12/04/12 04:07 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
Also what's actually going on with Mike Magnafichi why is he listed on charts still?


He's inactive & has been for over a decade. He's supposed to have a tag on his head, obviously, but I tend to think he's such a pathetic, broken down character, that they'll just let him burn out. He's irrelevant & harmless anyways. Saw him in line at a grocery store a few weeks ago and he did not look good.

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#680633 - 12/04/12 04:39 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I'm curious to know this: how come the Outfit has gone from one of the most powerful crime families in the US, to supposedly a mid-sized family run by a bunch of old farts who barely do anything except shuffle around social clubs and run video poker machines and a few legit businesses.

New York, no many how many times the Feds hit them always come back. Even the Colombo's, hell they aren't going away. The Genovese Family controls the entire port of New Jersey even in this day and age.

I'm not saying it's true, but it just seems Chicago slided in a very short period of time.
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#680641 - 12/04/12 05:53 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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one word. competition.

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#680644 - 12/04/12 07:41 AM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
one word. competition.


Which is also strange because the New York Families have a lot more competition than the Chicago Outfit. Where does the Chicago Outfit receive major competition from ? Gangster Disciples ( who are busier shooting each other up than anything else ) ? Triads ( who only operate within their own community ) ? Latin Kingz and La Raza ? The Irish ? Middle Eastern clans ?
I'm not saying the groups I just named are completely disorganized, but in my book the Chicago Outfit is still the only criminal organization over there capable of infiltrating politics or pulling of labor racketeering.


Edited by TheKillingJoke (12/04/12 09:46 AM)

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#680652 - 12/04/12 12:45 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TheKillingJoke]
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The outfit seems like more of a suburban operation mostly involved with gambling and loansharking which to be honest isnt going to attract any competition, there sort of lucky in that sense that no other group has any large interest in gambling or loansharking otherwise there status might have been extinct a long time ago. The street gangs control most of the drug trade and big drug markets in chicago with the mexicans or whoever supplying. As far as polictical connections read this article. http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

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#680656 - 12/04/12 03:11 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: 123JoeSchmo]
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Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
I'm curious to know this: how come the Outfit has gone from one of the most powerful crime families in the US, to supposedly a mid-sized family run by a bunch of old farts who barely do anything except shuffle around social clubs and run video poker machines and a few legit businesses.

New York, no many how many times the Feds hit them always come back. Even the Colombo's, hell they aren't going away. The Genovese Family controls the entire port of New Jersey even in this day and age.

I'm not saying it's true, but it just seems Chicago slided in a very short period of time.


Well now that's just simply not true. Sure, that is what the outfit would love to have people believe, but they are alive and doing very well, much better than they were doing during the first half of this decade. The biggest blows dealt were the jahoda & Cooley testimonies. Losing the 1st ward was the big one, but they just picked up & moved most of their business to the suburbs.

If you think the outfit is a couple of old farts that shuffle around social clubs & have a few body shops, youre an idiot, and sorely mistaken. They LOVE that people think that though.

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#680657 - 12/04/12 03:20 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: Scorsese]
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
The outfit seems like more of a suburban operation mostly involved with gambling and loansharking which to be honest isnt going to attract any competition, there sort of lucky in that sense that no other group has any large interest in gambling or loansharking otherwise there status might have been extinct a long time ago. The street gangs control most of the drug trade and big drug markets in chicago with the mexicans or whoever supplying. As far as polictical connections read this article. http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/


It most certainly attracts competition. The competition just can't do anything about it. There are plenty of minority street gangs trying to beef with them over gambling/prostitution/drug sales out in stone/Melrose/Elmwood park, along mannheim road & Harlem ave, and other outfit controlled areas. Those neighbourhoods are just too outfit-heavy/heavily Italian. Keep in mind that the Outfit 100% controls law enforcement in: Elmwood park, Melrose park, stone park, Cicero, Berwyn, Westchester, darien, river grove, oak park, Lombard, Chicago heights, island lake, & several other suburbs. Even if the African/Hispanic street gangs wanted to infiltrate the underworld of those areas (we are talking HUGE areas, putting all of those towns together), they would have never been able to make more than a dent, at best paying a street boss tax to operate out of there. Chicago is hyper segregated, the gangs control their own areas. Why would the outfit desire control over blown out crack hole neighbourhoods?


Edited by ricobenes (12/04/12 04:06 PM)

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#680658 - 12/04/12 03:36 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Not entirely off topic, but thought you'd might like to read this.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news&id=3936339

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#680665 - 12/04/12 04:38 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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you misread me. if the giants only played there scrub team for ten years, will they be able to compete against the rest of the nfl? competition is good for anyone. who does chicago compete with? the latin kings? the tri state area you got eight familys. chicago has one. big difference.

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#680666 - 12/04/12 04:40 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
you misread me. if the giants only played there scrub team for ten years, will they be able to compete against the rest of the nfl? competition is good for anyone. who does chicago compete with? the latin kings? the tri state area you got eight familys. chicago has one. big difference.


I don't recall replying to anything you said ohwell

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#680667 - 12/04/12 04:41 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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then perhaps it wasnt directed torwards you?lol.

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#680669 - 12/04/12 04:50 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Well whether it was or wasn't, comparing the two is futile & ridiculous. Organized crime does not work like the NFL. The Outfit is better off & more powerful without competition. They never had any to begin with.


Edited by ricobenes (12/04/12 05:09 PM)

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#680687 - 12/04/12 05:35 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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how are they better off?they got 28 guys.

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#680692 - 12/04/12 06:04 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Haha oh lord here we go again derpderpderp

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#680695 - 12/04/12 06:10 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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your the 'expert'.lol. your to good to enlighten a cousin of yours from ny?

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#680698 - 12/04/12 06:15 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Not at all, there is 6 pages of "enlightenment" in this thread alone.

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#680703 - 12/04/12 06:20 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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honestly the thread about dickienoses green shit is more entertaining than six pages of praising and worshipping a few old farts in chicago for masterminding a vast multi million dollar criminal enterprise.lol.

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#680706 - 12/04/12 06:25 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
honestly the thread about dickienoses green shit is more entertaining than six pages of praising and worshipping a few old farts in chicago for masterminding a vast multi million dollar criminal enterprise.lol.


I don't think any of this was meant to be entertaining. If that's what you're looking for, I'd stick to threads about the loud mouthed goofball primadonna dives out east smile I also don't see any "worshipping of old farts) going on. Care to elaborate? You can believe what you'd like, obviously, no one is trying to convince you personally of anything. If you're going by what the feds "know", you're going off of "facts" that they've contributed that have been proven to be incorrect on many different occasions. Once again, it is what it is.

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#680707 - 12/04/12 06:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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im laughing at the fact that you feel its your duty to 'defend' these guys like your defending the bears.lol. talk all you want about ny wiseguys, you wont see me defend them.hell they dont even defend each other.lol.

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#680713 - 12/04/12 06:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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im laughing at the fact that you feel its your duty to 'defend' these guys like your defending the bears.lol. talk all you want about ny wiseguys, you wont see me defend them.hell they dont even defend each other.lol.


When & where have I defended any of these men. They're all scumbags & evil people. I don't say anything about NY guys because I don't know anything about NY, nor do I care to. I refuse to comment or question anything that I am uneducated on, what's the point? Besides, from what I can gather, those NY guys are pretty good about letting the world know what they're up to anyways, no? Anyone can just sit in the distance and fap "the feds said this the feds said that well i heard on the news derpderpderp". Also, I can't stand American football smile

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#680719 - 12/04/12 06:54 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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What is it about Chi town guys always routing for the outfit like its their home team. You guys are always exagerating what the outfit really is these days. I am no expert on the outfit but it seems like on every forum I have been to the chicago guys act like there are a ton of mafia members and they are the most secretive family still to date. I just dont get it. I know the feds are not always right but why am I do believe forum posters on the internet who say there are so and so amount of members or that the outfit has so much political corruption like its 40 years ago or something. Do you know more then the feds just cause you live in Chicago??? You may know a few little things here and there that dont make the news like others of us Philly do or anywhere else cause your from the neighborhood. But I just dont get how you can over evaluate the Chicago outfit like many Chi town posters do. Sorry to include all Chicago guys as its probably not true but thats the pattern I have seen on these forums.

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#680724 - 12/04/12 07:02 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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More derp, not interested

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#680726 - 12/04/12 07:09 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?

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#680731 - 12/04/12 07:17 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I knew there had to be something off about you. No lika americana futobala?lol Anyway, I wasn't trying to be stupid (although I did have to look up what derp meant). Just trying to understand why Chicago guys seem to think there is more going on with the Outfit then there actually is? I have noticed a trend. Not just you. I was hoping you can explain where it comes from. I follow philly the closest and think I know a lot about them thats in and out of the news. But you have never heard me praise them or talk about them being bigger then they actually are. The FBI are on point with the amount of members and there basic activites. But when you talk to a chi town guy they are always talking about how secretive the outfit is and that the FBI doesnt know anything about them. But yet this guy on the internet who lives near Chicago knows more and I am suppose to believe them instead.

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#680734 - 12/04/12 07:18 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household

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#680735 - 12/04/12 07:22 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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that makes sense. im sicilian on my fathers side.palermo.my mother has a little castellemarese in her [is that how you say it],but her family is mostly from naples.

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#680736 - 12/04/12 07:22 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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maybe we are cousins.lol.

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#680737 - 12/04/12 07:28 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


What town?
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#680738 - 12/04/12 07:28 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: spmob]
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I knew there had to be something off about you. No lika americana futobala?lol Anyway, I wasn't trying to be stupid (although I did have to look up what derp meant). Just trying to understand why Chicago guys seem to think there is more going on with the Outfit then there actually is? I have noticed a trend. Not just you. I was hoping you can explain where it comes from. I follow philly the closest and think I know a lot about them thats in and out of the news. But you have never heard me praise them or talk about them being bigger then they actually are. The FBI are on point with the amount of members and there basic activites. But when you talk to a chi town guy they are always talking about how secretive the outfit is and that the FBI doesnt know anything about them. But yet this guy on the internet who lives near Chicago knows more and I am suppose to believe them instead.


Buddy, buddy, no one is asking you to believe anything. This whole thread was more or less three Chicago guys shootin the shit, not much else. Ever think that you notice this trend because (gasp!) there may be some truth to it? I don't think there is a need to talk or gossip about philly, those guys do a good enough job of that themselves. You'll never catch a chicago guy on access Hollywood like a skinny merlino. the fact is, the outfit are certainly the most secretive group, this is not debatable. The feds are completely unreliable when it comes to the outfit, I don't know what is so difficult for you to grasp about this. Just because the clowns out in philly shit where they eat and walk with their nuts out doesn't mean Chicago is like that. The ideals & traditions are extremely different here. Being flashy & flamboyant is considered cowardly & shameful

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#680739 - 12/04/12 07:30 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


What town?


Augusta

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#680740 - 12/04/12 07:32 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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that makes sense. im sicilian on my fathers side.palermo.my mother has a little castellemarese in her [is that how you say it],but her family is mostly from naples.


Ehh, close enough. And who knows, we could be! Two of my old man's brothers ended up in the bronx.

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#680741 - 12/04/12 07:35 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


This is a little far-fetched. I have friends that have moved from other countries and they assimilated. Unless you were home-schooled I don't get it
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#680742 - 12/04/12 07:37 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: DickNose_Moltasanti]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


This is a little far-fetched. I have friends that have moved from other countries and they assimilated. Unless you were home-schooled I don't get it


Sicilians don't assimilate. They come to the US, find each other from their hometowns in Sicily, and stick with each other for life.
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#680743 - 12/04/12 07:41 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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Originally Posted By: carmela
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


This is a little far-fetched. I have friends that have moved from other countries and they assimilated. Unless you were home-schooled I don't get it


Sicilians don't assimilate. They come to the US, find each other from their hometowns in Sicily, and stick with each other for life.


Well I agree with you as far as the ones who come for over there. But as far as having children and involving them in sports within the community and what not they don't want their children to be left out
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#680744 - 12/04/12 07:41 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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Originally Posted By: carmela
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


This is a little far-fetched. I have friends that have moved from other countries and they assimilated. Unless you were home-schooled I don't get it


Sicilians don't assimilate. They come to the US, find each other from their hometowns in Sicily, and stick with each other for life.


I don't think he was serious, I think he was trying to, what do they call it, "troll" me.

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#680745 - 12/04/12 07:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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Originally Posted By: carmela
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


This is a little far-fetched. I have friends that have moved from other countries and they assimilated. Unless you were home-schooled I don't get it


Sicilians don't assimilate. They come to the US, find each other from their hometowns in Sicily, and stick with each other for life.


very true.most italians in general. eighty percent of carroll gardens is from the same town. the whole bloomfield avenue area in newark is from avellino.

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#680746 - 12/04/12 07:45 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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^^^^ My husband didn't have to learn to speak english until he was 19 and they moved out of Bensonhurst to Jersey.
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#680747 - 12/04/12 07:47 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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that makes sense. im sicilian on my fathers side.palermo.my mother has a little castellemarese in her [is that how you say it],but her family is mostly from naples.


Ehh, close enough. And who knows, we could be! Two of my old man's brothers ended up in the bronx.


perhaps your pizzaboys cousin.lol. me all my family was born in brooklyn. except for that spoiled prick my cousin from long island.little turd is a pediatrist now. lol. probably the easiest field in medicine. goes to school for seven years to tell people there feet stink.

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#680748 - 12/04/12 07:50 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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[quote=spmob]Buddy, buddy, no one is asking you to believe anything. This whole thread was more or less three Chicago guys shootin the shit, not much else. Ever think that you notice this trend because (gasp!) there may be some truth to it? I don't think there is a need to talk or gossip about philly, those guys do a good enough job of that themselves. You'll never catch a chicago guy on access Hollywood like a skinny merlino. the fact is, the outfit are certainly the most secretive group, this is not debatable. The feds are completely unreliable when it comes to the outfit, I don't know what is so difficult for you to grasp about this. Just because the clowns out in philly shit where they eat and walk with their nuts out doesn't mean Chicago is like that. The ideals & traditions are extremely different here. Being flashy & flamboyant is considered cowardly & shameful


So where does your info come from?? And how many times are you going to use the line " i don't need to gossip about (insert town other then Chicago), those guys do a good enough job of it themselves. lol. Get a new one Buddy, Buddy. My gas station attendant calls me buddy, buddy. Hes got one of those funny hats on though. I'll ask him if hes from Chicago. lol. No one said the Outfit is not secretive. But they are also one of the smallest families. Why am I to believe you is my question? What do you have to offer that the feds don't? O I forgot your from Chicago. So let me try. The Philadelphia family is by far the best in the unions racekteering. You know cause they have never been caught. Thats some secret shit there. lol. There aren't no Union racketeering in Philly just like the Outfit isn't some big ass family that nobody knows any members of. And you proved my point about being a fanboy when you starting prasiing the outfit over Philly. You see I could care less about guys in philly. But please explain to me how they walk with, how did you say it? There nuts out and shitting where they eat?? do some homework their Buddy Buddy. The last ligambi family had no made guys rat and have been on the street for 12 years without being flamboyant. I think you saw your buddy from chicago Fratto with Joey merlino on TV and you think you know it all. So my basic question to you is. Why do you believe the FBI is so unreliable when it comes to the Outfit? And I don't want to hear the ideals and traditions are different or because you said so cause you live 4 miles from some guy your uncles friends brother once knew who was connected. What is it that you know that the FBI doesn't?

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#680749 - 12/04/12 07:52 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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I played kiddie American football & played a year in HS just because it was the thing to do, and to get girls, but always found it to be boring & tedious. Too much standing around for my tastes, although the action was fun. I dunno I just was never able to invest fully into baseball or American football. I'll root for da bears I guess, not a die hard or anything though. Love me some Giorgio Petrosyan though, K1 Max champ!

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#680750 - 12/04/12 07:58 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: spmob]
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[quote=spmob]Buddy, buddy, no one is asking you to believe anything. This whole thread was more or less three Chicago guys shootin the shit, not much else. Ever think that you notice this trend because (gasp!) there may be some truth to it? I don't think there is a need to talk or gossip about philly, those guys do a good enough job of that themselves. You'll never catch a chicago guy on access Hollywood like a skinny merlino. the fact is, the outfit are certainly the most secretive group, this is not debatable. The feds are completely unreliable when it comes to the outfit, I don't know what is so difficult for you to grasp about this. Just because the clowns out in philly shit where they eat and walk with their nuts out doesn't mean Chicago is like that. The ideals & traditions are extremely different here. Being flashy & flamboyant is considered cowardly & shameful


So where does your info come from?? And how many times are you going to use the line " i don't need to gossip about (insert town other then Chicago), those guys do a good enough job of it themselves. lol. Get a new one Buddy, Buddy. My gas station attendant calls me buddy, buddy. Hes got one of those funny hats on though. I'll ask him if hes from Chicago. lol. No one said the Outfit is not secretive. But they are also one of the smallest families. Why am I to believe you is my question? What do you have to offer that the feds don't? O I forgot your from Chicago. So let me try. The Philadelphia family is by far the best in the unions racekteering. You know cause they have never been caught. Thats some secret shit there. lol. There aren't no Union racketeering in Philly just like the Outfit isn't some big ass family that nobody knows any members of. And you proved my point about being a fanboy when you starting prasiing the outfit over Philly. You see I could care less about guys in philly. But please explain to me how they walk with, how did you say it? There nuts out and shitting where they eat?? do some homework their Buddy Buddy. The last ligambi family had no made guys rat and have been on the street for 12 years without being flamboyant. I think you saw your buddy from chicago Fratto with Joey merlino on TV and you think you know it all. So my basic question to you is. Why do you believe the FBI is so unreliable when it comes to the Outfit? And I don't want to hear the ideals and traditions are different or because you said so cause you live 4 miles from some guy your uncles friends brother once knew who was connected. What is it that you know that the FBI doesn't?


Oh god lol I think answering this crapload may give me an aneurism . Way waaaaaay too much derp. When did I ask you to believe me? Stick to philly, ill stick to chi wink

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#680752 - 12/04/12 08:01 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: spmob]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
[quote=spmob]Buddy, buddy, no one is asking you to believe anything. This whole thread was more or less three Chicago guys shootin the shit, not much else. Ever think that you notice this trend because (gasp!) there may be some truth to it? I don't think there is a need to talk or gossip about philly, those guys do a good enough job of that themselves. You'll never catch a chicago guy on access Hollywood like a skinny merlino. the fact is, the outfit are certainly the most secretive group, this is not debatable. The feds are completely unreliable when it comes to the outfit, I don't know what is so difficult for you to grasp about this. Just because the clowns out in philly shit where they eat and walk with their nuts out doesn't mean Chicago is like that. The ideals & traditions are extremely different here. Being flashy & flamboyant is considered cowardly & shameful


So where does your info come from?? And how many times are you going to use the line " i don't need to gossip about (insert town other then Chicago), those guys do a good enough job of it themselves. lol. Get a new one Buddy, Buddy. My gas station attendant calls me buddy, buddy. Hes got one of those funny hats on though. I'll ask him if hes from Chicago. lol. No one said the Outfit is not secretive. But they are also one of the smallest families. Why am I to believe you is my question? What do you have to offer that the feds don't? O I forgot your from Chicago. So let me try. The Philadelphia family is by far the best in the unions racekteering. You know cause they have never been caught. Thats some secret shit there. lol. There aren't no Union racketeering in Philly just like the Outfit isn't some big ass family that nobody knows any members of. And you proved my point about being a fanboy when you starting prasiing the outfit over Philly. You see I could care less about guys in philly. But please explain to me how they walk with, how did you say it? There nuts out and shitting where they eat?? do some homework their Buddy Buddy. The last ligambi family had no made guys rat and have been on the street for 12 years without being flamboyant. I think you saw your buddy from chicago Fratto with Joey merlino on TV and you think you know it all. So my basic question to you is. Why do you believe the FBI is so unreliable when it comes to the Outfit? And I don't want to hear the ideals and traditions are different or because you said so cause you live 4 miles from some guy your uncles friends brother once knew who was connected. What is it that you know that the FBI doesn't?


i walk with my nuts out all the time.im glad to see its catching on down in philly too.

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#680754 - 12/04/12 08:07 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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Originally Posted By: spmob
Originally Posted By: ricobenes
[quote=spmob]Buddy, buddy, no one is asking you to believe anything. This whole thread was more or less three Chicago guys shootin the shit, not much else. Ever think that you notice this trend because (gasp!) there may be some truth to it? I don't think there is a need to talk or gossip about philly, those guys do a good enough job of that themselves. You'll never catch a chicago guy on access Hollywood like a skinny merlino. the fact is, the outfit are certainly the most secretive group, this is not debatable. The feds are completely unreliable when it comes to the outfit, I don't know what is so difficult for you to grasp about this. Just because the clowns out in philly shit where they eat and walk with their nuts out doesn't mean Chicago is like that. The ideals & traditions are extremely different here. Being flashy & flamboyant is considered cowardly & shameful


So where does your info come from?? And how many times are you going to use the line " i don't need to gossip about (insert town other then Chicago), those guys do a good enough job of it themselves. lol. Get a new one Buddy, Buddy. My gas station attendant calls me buddy, buddy. Hes got one of those funny hats on though. I'll ask him if hes from Chicago. lol. No one said the Outfit is not secretive. But they are also one of the smallest families. Why am I to believe you is my question? What do you have to offer that the feds don't? O I forgot your from Chicago. So let me try. The Philadelphia family is by far the best in the unions racekteering. You know cause they have never been caught. Thats some secret shit there. lol. There aren't no Union racketeering in Philly just like the Outfit isn't some big ass family that nobody knows any members of. And you proved my point about being a fanboy when you starting prasiing the outfit over Philly. You see I could care less about guys in philly. But please explain to me how they walk with, how did you say it? There nuts out and shitting where they eat?? do some homework their Buddy Buddy. The last ligambi family had no made guys rat and have been on the street for 12 years without being flamboyant. I think you saw your buddy from chicago Fratto with Joey merlino on TV and you think you know it all. So my basic question to you is. Why do you believe the FBI is so unreliable when it comes to the Outfit? And I don't want to hear the ideals and traditions are different or because you said so cause you live 4 miles from some guy your uncles friends brother once knew who was connected. What is it that you know that the FBI doesn't?


i walk with my nuts out all the time.im glad to see its catching on down in philly too.


Well to be fair to the outfit guys, it gets pretty fuckin cold here! grin

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#680757 - 12/04/12 08:09 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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well its more popular than ever down at the shore now. last summer i saw snooki doing the same thing.

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#680762 - 12/04/12 08:27 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: sitonmyface11
dont like american football?you even from chicago? or america?


Well I was born in southeast Sicily but have been in Chicago since I was about 7. We grew up on basketball, soccer, and dutch style kickboxing. I appreciate & respect American football, I just wasn't raised on it, so i can't get into it wholeheartedly. Even upon moving to the states, we didn't watch it in the household


What town?


Augusta


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I was born in the patch, so grand & damen area, not two blocks from the Lombardo compound, moved to the Chinatown area when I was in HS, but now reside in the south burbs


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#680765 - 12/04/12 08:29 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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so hes not from augusta?

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#680767 - 12/04/12 08:31 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: gamms]
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well its more popular than ever down at the shore now. last summer i saw snooki doing the same thing.


Pffff man what the hell is going on over there these days, shameful to say the least

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#680770 - 12/04/12 08:35 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Ehh it was typed in haste, I also said Joe batters was from Taylor street, when he was a grand ave kid, smith park to be exact.

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#680771 - 12/04/12 08:36 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Right, because when we're typing fast, we all tend to forget what country we're born in. Please, I know you're not born in Sicily. I spotted you a mile away.
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#680774 - 12/04/12 08:42 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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Originally Posted By: carmela
Right, because when we're typing fast, we all tend to forget what country we're born in. Please, I know you're not born in Sicily. I spotted you a mile away.



Right right, because its everyone's fantasy to be born in a shitty dirt poor fishermans town. Right ohwell

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#680776 - 12/04/12 08:45 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: carmela
Right, because when we're typing fast, we all tend to forget what country we're born in. Please, I know you're not born in Sicily. I spotted you a mile away.



Right right, because its everyone's fantasy to be born in a shitty dirt poor fishermans town. Right ohwell


Who the fuck knows what your fantasies involve: fish, donkeys, da Bears. Point is you're a liar. Next.
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#680781 - 12/04/12 08:50 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: carmela
Right, because when we're typing fast, we all tend to forget what country we're born in. Please, I know you're not born in Sicily. I spotted you a mile away.



Right right, because its everyone's fantasy to be born in a shitty dirt poor fishermans town. Right ohwell


Who the fuck knows what your fantasies involve: fish, donkeys, da Bears. Point is you're a liar. Next.


Great response. The broad that fantasizes about being edie saggy tits falco is giving me shit for a typo...adorable. buzz off you creepy twat smile

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#680784 - 12/04/12 08:56 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: ricobenes]
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Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: ricobenes
Originally Posted By: carmela
Right, because when we're typing fast, we all tend to forget what country we're born in. Please, I know you're not born in Sicily. I spotted you a mile away.



Right right, because its everyone's fantasy to be born in a shitty dirt poor fishermans town. Right ohwell


Who the fuck knows what your fantasies involve: fish, donkeys, da Bears. Point is you're a liar. Next.


Great response. The broad that fantasizes about being edie saggy tits falco is giving me shit for a typo...adorable. buzz off you creepy twat smile


Hey now Charmaine had some nice ta ta's worth fantasizing about. And you're lucky I don't offend easily. But you're still a liar.

Have a good one! smile
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#680785 - 12/04/12 08:59 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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Have some respect! Just cause you can't keep up with the big dogs doesn't mean you should call a woman a name like that on a forum no less. You wouldn't in real life little guy.

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#680786 - 12/04/12 09:04 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: carmela]
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[quote=ricobenes][quote=carmela][quote=ricobenes][quote=sitonmyface11]Booyah!

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=675097#Post675097

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I was born in the patch, so grand & damen area, not two blocks from the Lombardo compound, moved to the Chinatown area when I was in HS, but now reside in the south burbs


I bet this is Imamobguy but under a different nickname whistle
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#680787 - 12/04/12 09:05 PM Re: Chicago Outfit: The 28 members [Re: TonyBoy117]
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since I wrote to much for you to absorb last time. Let me ask you one simple question. How many members do you THINK the Outfit has? And what do you base this OPINION on. And I will stick to whatever the fuck I feel like Buddy Buddy. By the way, do you own any 7-elevens?

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