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#656065 - 07/19/12 07:01 PM rap labels
Scorsese Offline

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Registered: 10/11/11
Posts: 2454
I know there is a few people on here interested in this particular subject so I've done a rundown of some of the major rap labels that have been caught up in some trouble over the years.

The Inc (Formerly Murder Inc)
new york
Mid 90s- present
Founders- Irv Gotti, Chris Gotti, Ja Rule
Notable Artists-Ja Rule,Ashanti,Rah Digga, Lloyd

Criminal associations- Kenneth "Supreme"Mcgriff. A convicted drug lord and leader of the supreme team drug gang that operated a $200,000 dollar a day crack cocaine operation in queens and harlem during the 1980s. After serving 10 years was released in 97 and became very close with irv gotti.Investigators have alleged that McGriff, 43, bankrolled Gotti and has "provided Murder, Inc. with 'muscle'--threats, violence, and intimidation."

Activity-Drug trafficking in NY and Baltimore, money laundering, attempted murder, murder.

Connected violence- murders of Eric Smith,Troy Singleton,Karon Clarret and one of his friends, Jam Master Jay. Attempted murder of 50 Cent.

Thizz Entertainment(formerly Romp Records)
Bay Area
Founders-Mac Dre, Jamal Diggs, Simon'kilo curt' Curtis
Notable artists-E40, Mac Mall, Yukmouth, Keak da Sneak

Criminal Associations- 1980s- 1990s: Romper Room gang. To finance there music ventures Dre, Diggs and curtis trafficked drugs and robbed banks and businesses until their arrests 1992. Dre was released and continued to perform until his shooting and murder in kansas city in 2004.
2012:CUrrent head of Thizz Ent Michael Lott and numerous rappers and associates were recently indicted for running a large scale ecstasy trafficking that distributed in vallejo, bay area,oklahoma, New york, atlanta and milwaukee.

Connected violence-Anthony 'Fat Tone' Watkins and Jermaine 'Cowboy' Aikens were killed in retaliation for Mac Dres murder.

BMF Entertainment (or the Black Mafia Family)
Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles
1980s- 2005
Founders and associates-Demetrius 'Big Meech' Flennory, Terry'southwest t' flennory,Chad'J-Bo' Brown, Eric 'Slim' Bivens, Fleming Daniels
Notable Artists-Young Jeezy,Bleu Davinci

Criminal associations-The Black Mafia Family (BMF), was a drug trafficking organization originally based in Detroit, Michigan. Founded by the Flenory brothers Demetrius and Terry, the organization began in the late 1980s. By the year 2000, they had established cocaine distribution cells in cities throughout the United States. Through their Los Angeles-based drug source, they had direct links to Mexican-based drug cartels.They established two main hubs for their operation: the Atlanta, Georgia hub, for distribution, was operated by older brother Demetrius, while the Los Angeles, California hub was operated by Terry to handle incoming shipments from Mexico. The organisation moved into the hip hop business during 2000 and had associations with stars such as jay z, nelly and fabulous. They also kept ties to various street gangs such as the campanella park piru bloods in compton who were supplying them with drugs that they would then ship across the country.

Acticvity- Nationwide cocaine trafficking, money laundering and murder.

Connected violence- Murders of P-Diddy associate Anthony 'wolf' Jones, Rashanniball 'Prince'Drummond, Ulysses Hackett and Misty Carter

Death Row Records
Los Angeles
1991-2006
Founders and associates-Marion 'Suge' Knight, Michael 'Harry O' Harris, Jake Robles,David Mack, Kevin Gaines, Rafael Perez.
Notable artists-Dr Dre,Snoop Dogg,Tupac,Warren G,DJ Quick,Nate Dogg

Criminal Associations- One of the most successful music labels of all time, death row records sales climbed to $125 million in just four years. However it was also marred in controversy from its inception, with links to gangs, violence,threats,police scandals and the culminating murders of Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls. The label was strongly tied to the MOB piru bloods gang through Knight and his enforcer Jake Robles but employed crips as well.

Activity-Alledged gang activity,threats,intimidation, assaults, kidnapping and murder.

Connected violence- Murders of tupac shakur, christopher wallace, southside crip kelly jamerson, jake robles, randy 'stretch' walker, a bounty hunter blood and drug dealer named bruce and his girlfriends slaying a week later.

Czar Entertainment (or the rosemond organisation)
1990s-present
Founders and associates- Jimmy 'the Henchman' Rosemond, Khalil Abdullah, Dexter Issac.
Notable artists-Game,Brandy, Akon, Shyne, Sean Kingston, Gucci Mane

Criminal associations- On June 5, 2012 Henchman was convicted of drug trafficking, obstruction of justice, firearms violations and other financial crimes associated with his being the head of a multi-million dollar transnational cocaine selling organization. This came after he was indicted in 2011 on federal charges of drug trafficking, money laundering, obstruction and weapons charges. In February 2012, he was arrested for the murder-for-hire of Lodi Mack, an associate of rapper 50 Cent. Authorities found that rosemond was shuttling large quantities of cocaine and cash back and forth from new york and california in music cases and used Universal owned record label Interscopes offices as stash houses for both drugs and money. The investigation also found that the cocaine was being supplied from a number of sources including members of the west coast bloods and crips.

Activity- Inter coastal drug trafficking, money laundering and murder.

Connected violence- Murder of 50 cent associate Lodi Mack, another informant, dexter isaac has stated that Rosemond hired him and others to rob tupac shakur at the quad recording studios in 1994 which resulted in Tupac being shot several times but surviving.

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#656332 - 07/21/12 05:25 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
Scorsese Offline

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Registered: 10/11/11
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More info on death row. Following tupac shakur murder there was over a dozen shootings and killings in compton tied to the bloods and crips. The bloods believed that members of the south side crips specifically an affiliate named orlando 'baby lane' anderson was responsible for the fatal shooting of tupac.

Ruthless Records
Los Angeles
1987
Founders-Eric 'Easy E' Wright, Jerry Heller
Notable artists- NWA, Bone Thugs n Harmony,The DOC, Kid Frost,Kokane

Criminal associations- Easy E was a member of the Kelly Park Compton Crips who dealt drugs. In 1986, at the age of 23, Wright had allegedly earned as much as USD $250,000 from dealing drugs. However, he decided that he could make a better living in the Los Angeles hip-hop scene, which was growing rapidly in popularity. He financed his music label with drug money and along with manager Jerry Heller created Ruthless Records.

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#656368 - 07/21/12 09:33 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
Scorsese Offline

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Registered: 10/11/11
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Roc-A-Fella Records
New York
1996-present
Founders-Shawn "Jay Z" Carter, Damon "Dame" Dash, Kareem "Biggs" Burke
Notable Artists- Kanye West, Beanie Sigel, Camron, Jadakiss

Criminal associations- Although the label itself has never been implicated in any illegal activity,a number of its affiliates have had run ins with the law. During the 1980s and early 90s Jay Z allegedly dealt crack and was part of a crew that operated in brooklyn, New jersey and also expanded into Baltimore and even had one attempt on his life when a rival tried to assassinate him with a tech 9 machine gun. Rapper beanie sigel has also alleged to have been involved with drug dealings and violent turf battles in philadelphia.Around 2000 Sigel was rolling with guys from the 23rd and Tasker crew, against a group that operated in the area of 16th and Annin in South Philly. The deaths of Kevin Jackson, Ricky Stevenson, Ray Nina and Edmund Thomas—names that loomed large in the street—were all tied to that ongoing battle. Sigel's own stepfather Sam Derry who was murdered tragically in October of 2005, Derry according to law enforcement offials was one of the last remnants of the muslim based Junior Black Mafia of Philadelphia , which was seen as a rogue outfit of Nation of Islam members whom not only dealt drugs but operated as hitmen for the N.O.I temple in Philadelphia.In 2004, Sigel was found guilty of federal weapons charges and sentenced to a year and a day in federal prison. In 2010, Sigel was charged with three counts of failing to file tax returns on income of over $1 million between 2003–2005. Sigel pled guilty to the charges and was sentenced to 24 months in prison.[23] He will report to prison on September 12, 2012. More recently former founder Kareem'Biggs' Burke was convicted along with others of running a marijuana trafficking operation.The Complaint charges 40 individuals with allegedly
distributing marijuana in New York City and in New Jersey. These
defendants include KAREEM BURKE, a/k/a "Biggs," one of the
founders of Roc-A-Fella Records, MATTHEW WOODSTOCK STANG, a/k/a
"Magazine Guy," an advertising representative for High Times
magazine, and members of three separate "cells." While the three
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separate cells independently controlled areas where marijuana was
sold, they depended on each other, and on the same transportation
network, for the distribution of the marijuana they sold to
customers in New York and New Jersey.
During the course of the investigation, law enforcement
agents discovered the following:
• RODRIGUEZ discussed "grow houses" located in New York
City and obtained marijuana from BURKE
• RODRIGUEZ discussed with BURKE the possibility of
obtaining marijuana from California
• Members of the cells smuggled narcotics proceeds on
commercial flights
• Members of the cells accessed a location that was later
found to contain 22 pounds of marijuana and $77,000

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#656370 - 07/21/12 11:15 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
DickNose_Moltasanti Offline
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Registered: 06/28/11
Posts: 2881

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Beanies Lawyer is an A**hole, guy is so full of himself, a lot of these Major Drug Traffickers get him for Federal Cases when there already nailed down, he just takes their money. I saw him in court a few months back, he goes to the judge who his defendant is sitting right behind him, "Oh I haven't read any of this yet." Real Arrogant Bastard, its funny whenever hes leaving the courthouse always looking around/over his shoulder. I mean there are other attorneys who are just as prominent as he is. but I guess they know how to handle themselves a little better. Yeah btw he didn't get Beanie off, Beanies Money, got him off.
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#656431 - 07/22/12 12:36 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
NickyScarfo Offline

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Registered: 04/26/11
Posts: 1587

Loc: Perth Australia
Had some good rap music from these labels in the past, especially Death row, loved west coast rap of the 90s. Now we have Lil Wayne and Drake, as Nas said Hip Hop is dead.

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#656629 - 07/23/12 10:16 PM Re: rap labels [Re: NickyScarfo]
Scorsese Offline

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Registered: 10/11/11
Posts: 2454
Yeah its mostly just pop music now.

Takedown Records
Philadelphia
1998-2005
Founders-Alton "Ace Capone" Coles, Tim "Gotti" Baukman
Notable artists- Bugsy, Philly Swain

Criminal associations-Takedown records was a front for a $25 million dollar network run by Coles and Baukman that flooded the streets of philadelphia with crack and powder cocaine.According to ATF agents, that enterprise was responsible for 21 shootings and seven murders, though only one shooting is listed in the indictment.The organisation operated in Southwest Philadelphia, Southern New Jersey and Delaware.Coles was eventually arrested and sentenced to 55 years to life.
PHILADELPHIA, March 23 /PRNewswire/ -- Mark W. Potter, Special Agent in Charge of the Philadelphia Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and Patrick L. Meehan, United States Attorney
for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, announced today the indictment of 19
people, including Take Down Records owner Alton "Ace" Coles and 16 others
arrested on firearms, drug trafficking, financial and wire fraud charges as
well as conducting a continuing criminal enterprise. The 175-count indictment returned by a federal grand jury March 22 alleges that a drug distribution ring and continuing criminal enterprise run by Coles and Timothy Baukman was responsible for the distribution of approximately 1,200 kilograms of cocaine and 600 kilograms of crack cocaine in and around southwest Philadelphia from 1998 to August 2005.
The indictment also lists 25 firearms recovered by ATF, often from suspects in possession of, or dealing in, cocaine. ATF seized approximately $800,000 in currency as well as three vehicles, including a Bentley Rolls- Royce, three Philadelphia residences and one residence in Salem County, N.J "ATF has made combating violence in southwest Philadelphia a priority," said Potter. "We not only have targeted the shooters and dealers on the street, but also sought to seize their ill-gotten assets and charge those that have assisted in illegally obtaining or hiding them." The indictment alleges that with the proceeds from his narcotics
distribution, Coles purchased two luxury vehicles in Philadelphia in which he
had a woman falsify loan applications concerning employment and salary, title
the cars in her name to conceal Coles' ownership and make payments with money
provided by Coles. Coles also used drug proceeds to purchase a residence in
Gloucester County, N.J., using a different woman to falsify loan applications
in order to obtain a mortgage. Coles also purchased a third vehicle with drug
proceeds and titled the vehicle himself. Baukman is alleged to have used drug proceeds to lease two apartments, including one in Lansdowne, Pa., where ATF special agents recovered 44 "kilo wrappers" used to wrap kilogram quantities of cocaine and 10 firearms on Aug. 10, 2005.

The following were named in the March 22 superseding indictment and have
been arrested without incident:

- Gary Creek, 24, Baltimore
- Alton Coles, 32, Woodstown, NJ
- Kristina Latney, 30, Philadelphia
- Timothy Baukman, 30, Philadelphia
- Anwar Linder, 25, Philadelphia
- Keenan Brown, 24, Philadelphia
- James Morris, 31, Quinton, NJ
- Jamar Campbell, 30, Philadelphia
- Monique Pullins, 22, Philadelphia
- Robert Cooper, 25, Philadelphia
- Asya Richardson, 25, Philadelphia
- Linnette Simpson, 35, Philadelphia
- Charlton Custis, 24, Philadelphia
- Terry Walker, 31, Philadelphia
- Desmond Faison, 30, Philadelphia
- Al Zuagar, 35, Philadelphia
- Hakiem Johnson, 45, Philadelphia

Activity- Drug trafficking, Money Laundering, weapons violationsand murder.

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#662700 - 08/27/12 10:20 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
Wilson Offline

Capo
Registered: 08/20/12
Posts: 371
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
I know there is a few people on here interested in this particular subject so I've done a rundown of some of the major rap labels that have been caught up in some trouble over the years.

The Inc (Formerly Murder Inc)
new york
Mid 90s- present
Founders- Irv Gotti, Chris Gotti, Ja Rule
Notable Artists-Ja Rule,Ashanti,Rah Digga, Lloyd

Criminal associations- Kenneth "Supreme"Mcgriff. A convicted drug lord and leader of the supreme team drug gang that operated a $200,000 dollar a day crack cocaine operation in queens and harlem during the 1980s. After serving 10 years was released in 97 and became very close with irv gotti.Investigators have alleged that McGriff, 43, bankrolled Gotti and has "provided Murder, Inc. with 'muscle'--threats, violence, and intimidation."

Activity-Drug trafficking in NY and Baltimore, money laundering, attempted murder, murder.

Connected violence- murders of Eric Smith,Troy Singleton,Karon Clarret and one of his friends, Jam Master Jay. Attempted murder of 50 Cent.

Thizz Entertainment(formerly Romp Records)
Bay Area
Founders-Mac Dre, Jamal Diggs, Simon'kilo curt' Curtis
Notable artists-E40, Mac Mall, Yukmouth, Keak da Sneak

Criminal Associations- 1980s- 1990s: Romper Room gang. To finance there music ventures Dre, Diggs and curtis trafficked drugs and robbed banks and businesses until their arrests 1992. Dre was released and continued to perform until his shooting and murder in kansas city in 2004.
2012:CUrrent head of Thizz Ent Michael Lott and numerous rappers and associates were recently indicted for running a large scale ecstasy trafficking that distributed in vallejo, bay area,oklahoma, New york, atlanta and milwaukee.

Connected violence-Anthony 'Fat Tone' Watkins and Jermaine 'Cowboy' Aikens were killed in retaliation for Mac Dres murder.

BMF Entertainment (or the Black Mafia Family)
Detroit, Atlanta, Los Angeles
1980s- 2005
Founders and associates-Demetrius 'Big Meech' Flennory, Terry'southwest t' flennory,Chad'J-Bo' Brown, Eric 'Slim' Bivens, Fleming Daniels
Notable Artists-Young Jeezy,Bleu Davinci

Criminal associations-The Black Mafia Family (BMF), was a drug trafficking organization originally based in Detroit, Michigan. Founded by the Flenory brothers Demetrius and Terry, the organization began in the late 1980s. By the year 2000, they had established cocaine distribution cells in cities throughout the United States. Through their Los Angeles-based drug source, they had direct links to Mexican-based drug cartels.They established two main hubs for their operation: the Atlanta, Georgia hub, for distribution, was operated by older brother Demetrius, while the Los Angeles, California hub was operated by Terry to handle incoming shipments from Mexico. The organisation moved into the hip hop business during 2000 and had associations with stars such as jay z, nelly and fabulous. They also kept ties to various street gangs such as the campanella park piru bloods in compton who were supplying them with drugs that they would then ship across the country.

Acticvity- Nationwide cocaine trafficking, money laundering and murder.

Connected violence- Murders of P-Diddy associate Anthony 'wolf' Jones, Rashanniball 'Prince'Drummond, Ulysses Hackett and Misty Carter

Death Row Records
Los Angeles
1991-2006
Founders and associates-Marion 'Suge' Knight, Michael 'Harry O' Harris, Jake Robles,David Mack, Kevin Gaines, Rafael Perez.
Notable artists-Dr Dre,Snoop Dogg,Tupac,Warren G,DJ Quick,Nate Dogg

Criminal Associations- One of the most successful music labels of all time, death row records sales climbed to $125 million in just four years. However it was also marred in controversy from its inception, with links to gangs, violence,threats,police scandals and the culminating murders of Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls. The label was strongly tied to the MOB piru bloods gang through Knight and his enforcer Jake Robles but employed crips as well.

Activity-Alledged gang activity,threats,intimidation, assaults, kidnapping and murder.

Connected violence- Murders of tupac shakur, christopher wallace, southside crip kelly jamerson, jake robles, randy 'stretch' walker, a bounty hunter blood and drug dealer named bruce and his girlfriends slaying a week later.

Czar Entertainment (or the rosemond organisation)
1990s-present
Founders and associates- Jimmy 'the Henchman' Rosemond, Khalil Abdullah, Dexter Issac.
Notable artists-Game,Brandy, Akon, Shyne, Sean Kingston, Gucci Mane

Criminal associations- On June 5, 2012 Henchman was convicted of drug trafficking, obstruction of justice, firearms violations and other financial crimes associated with his being the head of a multi-million dollar transnational cocaine selling organization. This came after he was indicted in 2011 on federal charges of drug trafficking, money laundering, obstruction and weapons charges. In February 2012, he was arrested for the murder-for-hire of Lodi Mack, an associate of rapper 50 Cent. Authorities found that rosemond was shuttling large quantities of cocaine and cash back and forth from new york and california in music cases and used Universal owned record label Interscopes offices as stash houses for both drugs and money. The investigation also found that the cocaine was being supplied from a number of sources including members of the west coast bloods and crips.

Activity- Inter coastal drug trafficking, money laundering and murder.

Connected violence- Murder of 50 cent associate Lodi Mack, another informant, dexter isaac has stated that Rosemond hired him and others to rob tupac shakur at the quad recording studios in 1994 which resulted in Tupac being shot several times but surviving.






I would love this to be shown to the ignorant suburbanites who think that its harmless buying these labels albums. Its not harmless and you are supporting bs buy listening to these rappers.

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#662701 - 08/27/12 10:29 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
Toodoped Offline

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Registered: 02/03/12
Posts: 1672

Loc: Underground
eventually everything that you bought in your life till now..a small part of your cash went into the mobs hands,thats reality...music is a big industry too,a lot of money and wheres money,theres the gangsters
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“Behind every great fortune, there is a crime!”

What's the diference between the Government and the Mafia?

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#662799 - 08/28/12 01:31 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Toodoped]
Wilson Offline

Capo
Registered: 08/20/12
Posts: 371
Originally Posted By: Toodoped
eventually everything that you bought in your life till now..a small part of your cash went into the mobs hands,thats reality...music is a big industry too,a lot of money and wheres money,theres the gangsters


I understand that.

I got a question for you.

If you were a parent, would you allow a crack cocaine dealer/murderer to come into your home and hang out with your kids?

So whats the difference of buying their music and inviting them into your home that way to play with your kids? Its just as bad.

I really don't think the average parent looks into it that deep and for that I think its bullshit. No fuckin way am I gonna allow my son or daughter to support a label that is ran by a convicted crack cocaine enterprise or group of murderers.


Edited by Wilson (08/28/12 01:34 PM)

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#662806 - 08/28/12 02:36 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
TheKillingJoke Offline

Underboss
Registered: 07/15/12
Posts: 559
The old rap music is brilliant ! The new rap music sucks donkey balls.
BMF and McGriff were pretty big players on the market for sure, but I couldn't care less about what these people do behind the scenes. When I buy an album, I buy it for its music, not for the personality of its producers.

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#662807 - 08/28/12 02:49 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
Toodoped Offline

Underboss
Registered: 02/03/12
Posts: 1672

Loc: Underground
Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Toodoped
eventually everything that you bought in your life till now..a small part of your cash went into the mobs hands,thats reality...music is a big industry too,a lot of money and wheres money,theres the gangsters


I understand that.

I got a question for you.

If you were a parent, would you allow a crack cocaine dealer/murderer to come into your home and hang out with your kids?

So whats the difference of buying their music and inviting them into your home that way to play with your kids? Its just as bad.

I really don't think the average parent looks into it that deep and for that I think its bullshit. No fuckin way am I gonna allow my son or daughter to support a label that is ran by a convicted crack cocaine enterprise or group of murderers.


You cant protect your kid from that,stopping it,you only gonna make it worse and in the past years it was the same...look at Sinatra,he was controlled by the mob,and every parent in the world support his music..Why?...because of the lyrics?..."the lady is a tramp"?every generatin has its own...its own path,and a lot of music groups and singers were controled by gangsters...in the past gangsters were cool,now every1 wants to be a gangster or at least hang out with one,sadly thats todays youth,right now its anarchy time, but in a diferent(worst)way wink


Edited by Toodoped (08/28/12 02:52 PM)
_________________________
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant: "If I live, I will kill you. If I die, you are forgiven." Such is the Rule of Honor

“Behind every great fortune, there is a crime!”

What's the diference between the Government and the Mafia?

-One of them is organized!

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#662810 - 08/28/12 03:12 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Toodoped]
Wilson Offline

Capo
Registered: 08/20/12
Posts: 371
Originally Posted By: Toodoped
Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Toodoped
eventually everything that you bought in your life till now..a small part of your cash went into the mobs hands,thats reality...music is a big industry too,a lot of money and wheres money,theres the gangsters


I understand that.

I got a question for you.

If you were a parent, would you allow a crack cocaine dealer/murderer to come into your home and hang out with your kids?

So whats the difference of buying their music and inviting them into your home that way to play with your kids? Its just as bad.

I really don't think the average parent looks into it that deep and for that I think its bullshit. No fuckin way am I gonna allow my son or daughter to support a label that is ran by a convicted crack cocaine enterprise or group of murderers.


You cant protect your kid from that,stopping it,you only gonna make it worse and in the past years it was the same...look at Sinatra,he was controlled by the mob,and every parent in the world support his music..Why?...because of the lyrics?..."the lady is a tramp"?every generatin has its own...its own path,and a lot of music groups and singers were controled by gangsters...in the past gangsters were cool,now every1 wants to be a gangster or at least hang out with one,sadly thats todays youth,right now its anarchy time, but in a diferent(worst)way wink


The people that controlled Sinatra were not the same as the gang bangers that control the rap labels nowdays. The rap labels are owned by the people that real gangsters would love to piss on.

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#662811 - 08/28/12 03:36 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
Nick_the_Greek Offline

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Registered: 07/12/12
Posts: 46

Loc: New Hampshire
Wilson, wtf are you talking about. Sounds like you just don't like rap. What about vicious rap songs that are made by labels that are not run by criminals? Those are ok, I assume.

And the guys that 'controlled Sinatra', or any mob/criminal element in the music industry back in the day, were using the money to bankroll more illegal shit...just like the gangster rappers; how exactly is there a difference?

Also...'real' gangsters? Criminals are criminals, just because Hollywood has cast this 'honorable gentleman' romantic view on gangsters of the past, does not put them on any higher of a pedestal...a killer is a killer, all scum.

If the qualifier to not support a business, is based on what the ownership is up to, then there is a LOT of stuff you should be avoiding, least of which is rap music.


Edited by Nick_the_Greek (08/28/12 03:38 PM)

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#662813 - 08/28/12 03:46 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Nick_the_Greek]
Wilson Offline

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Registered: 08/20/12
Posts: 371
Originally Posted By: Nick_the_Greek
Wilson, wtf are you talking about. Sounds like you just don't like rap. What about vicious rap songs that are made by labels that are not run by criminals? Those are ok, I assume.

And the guys that 'controlled Sinatra', or any mob/criminal element in the music industry back in the day, were using the money to bankroll more illegal shit...just like the gangster rappers; how exactly is there a difference?

Also...'real' gangsters? Criminals are criminals, just because Hollywood has cast this 'honorable gentleman' romantic view on gangsters of the past, does not put them on any higher of a pedestal...a killer is a killer, all scum.

If the qualifier to not support a business, is based on what the ownership is up to, then there is a LOT of stuff you should be avoiding, least of which is rap music.


Those people that controlled Sinatra were not dealing crack rocks on the corner and they were not killing innocent children and whatever else kind of shit those monkeys do who run rap labels. Not saying that all of them are criminals. Just saying the ones that are, are nothing but pieces of shit.

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#662818 - 08/28/12 04:03 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
Scorsese Offline

Underboss
Registered: 10/11/11
Posts: 2454
Originally Posted By: Wilson

The people that controlled Sinatra were not the same as the gang bangers that control the rap labels nowdays. The rap labels are owned by the people that real gangsters would love to piss on.


What? are you trying to say that the BMF,Kenneth 'Supreme' Mcgriff and Mac Dre arent "real gangsters". I think selling millions of dollars worth of drugs, robbing banks and killing people at the same time makes them real gangsters.

What exactly makes a "real gangster" if not all that?

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#662819 - 08/28/12 04:11 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
Wilson Offline

Capo
Registered: 08/20/12
Posts: 371
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
Originally Posted By: Wilson

The people that controlled Sinatra were not the same as the gang bangers that control the rap labels nowdays. The rap labels are owned by the people that real gangsters would love to piss on.


What? are you trying to say that the BMF,Kenneth 'Supreme' Mcgriff and Mac Dre arent "real gangsters". I think selling millions of dollars worth of drugs, robbing banks and killing people at the same time makes them real gangsters.

What exactly makes a "real gangster" if not all that?


When I open up the dictionary, I don't see a picture of the people you have listed. I see a picture of Tony Accardo.

I think you get my point.

Fuck Kenneth BB G Funk or whatever his name is.

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#662824 - 08/28/12 04:24 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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No actually i don't get your point. Tony Accardo was practically the same thing as the people i listed, he made millions of dollars off of crime and killed people at the same time.

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#662830 - 08/28/12 04:43 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
No actually i don't get your point. Tony Accardo was practically the same thing as the people i listed, he made millions of dollars off of crime and killed people at the same time.


Sorry I just don't classify the black gang members as real gangsters. Call me racist, but its just how I feel.

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#662831 - 08/28/12 04:46 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
No actually i don't get your point. Tony Accardo was practically the same thing as the people i listed, he made millions of dollars off of crime and killed people at the same time.


Sorry I just don't classify the black gang members as real gangsters. Call me racist, but its just how I feel.


Dont let rap music fool ya,ever heard of Bumpy Johnson or Madam Stephanie St. Clair or Eddie Jones?


Edited by Toodoped (08/28/12 04:47 PM)
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#662840 - 08/28/12 05:03 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
No actually i don't get your point. Tony Accardo was practically the same thing as the people i listed, he made millions of dollars off of crime and killed people at the same time.


Sorry I just don't classify the black gang members as real gangsters. Call me racist, but its just how I feel.


Pretty arrogant view I might add. But you aren't the only one who holds this view. Even with the rise of Post-Soviet, Balkan, Hispanic, Black, Asian, White Supremacist,...etc etc mobs there are still people who say that the Italians are 'the one and only'. Yes, they might still be (among) the strongest but they aren't the only ones anymore, by any stretch of the imagination.
Gangs like Gangster Disciples, Zoe Pound, Black Guerilla Family,...all have top guys who are very organized. Where's the big difference with the Italians ? Sure the black gangs might base their empire on crack while the Italians make money of of heroin. But the bottom line is : both types of criminal groups have their rich top members and their less rich and more low-level members.
Both sides are singing the same old song.

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#662862 - 08/28/12 05:31 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Listen,

You are comparing Apples to Oranges here. I don't give a fuck if both sides commit the same crimes. Its the way they present themselves!

Would I classify some dirty fucking crack head gang member as a fucking gangster? Fuck no.

Why the fuck should they even be in the same conversation as a guys like Tony Accardo? Can you explain that to me? There is nothing even similiar between the two when you talk about personality and charisma.

Not saying that mob guys (Italians) are innocent of some serious shit. But overall if I wanted to invite someone to my house ,would I invite a fucking gangster deciple? I don't think so!

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#662867 - 08/28/12 05:39 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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For the record, not every member of Black Guerilla Family for instance looks like 'some dirty fucking crack head gang member'. The more organized gangs also have their members who dress smart.
Tony Accardo...you're mentioning a high-level member of the Outfit here, not a lower soldier or associate. By the way, if you think that every Italian mobster looks as stylish as you can see in those ignorant Hollywood-movies, then I urge you to check out some of the charts on this board. Take the one of the Chicago Outfit for instance, some of them look pretty dirty to me.
Would I invite a criminal in my house ? If I have known the guy for a long time, why wouldn't I ? They're part of our society, wheter you like it or not.

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#662870 - 08/28/12 05:43 PM Re: rap labels [Re: TheKillingJoke]
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By the way, if you think that every Italian mobster looks as stylish as you can see in those ignorant Hollywood-movies, then I urge you to check out some of the charts on this board.
case in point, marty angelina!


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#662876 - 08/28/12 06:03 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Five_Felonies]
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larry hoover, jeff fort , willie loyd, freeway rick ross, best friends gang, young boys inc, JBM,bloods and crips. Although i dont admire or think their heroes, you can't deny the fact that they are or were gangsters to the fullest extent of the word and from an analytical viewpoint they practically shaped the drug and gang landscape to what it is.

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#662877 - 08/28/12 06:06 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Five_Felonies]
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Lol


Michael Sarno also is a far cry from John Gotti grin

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#662883 - 08/28/12 06:18 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Fair enough. But you guys sure picked out the two worst photos that these men have ever taken. Don't judge a mug shot as a pic that does these guys justice.

For example ......





Edited by Wilson (08/28/12 06:23 PM)

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#662896 - 08/28/12 07:22 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Why the fuck should they even be in the same conversation as a guys like Tony Accardo? Can you explain that to me?


Speaking about Accardo and the outfit,do you know that back in late 40's when Tony and Giancana were rulling the streets,black gangsters were rulling their own black neighborhoods and had more money than the outfit guys?do you know why?cuz of the numbers racket!at first the outfit didnt belive in the numbers racket and after that Giancana saw the golden mine and kill a hell lot of black gangsters just to get to it...so dont underestimate em black g's from back in tha days wink cool
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#662898 - 08/28/12 07:33 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Originally Posted By: Wilson


Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".

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#663200 - 08/29/12 09:32 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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I believe the difference between the black "gangs" and the Cosa Nostra is that Bloods and Crips wanna be known. They'll do anything for Notiriety, so they are gonna dress loud with the Gold and Platinum BS. The mob is supposed to blend in and be classy. They aren't gonna wild the fuck out with a Mac-10.

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#663206 - 08/29/12 09:40 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Sounds like you're buying the BS PolishPrince. The Mafia has committed many crimes and gotten their hands bloody many times in order to gain notoriety. They dress loud, they wear gold and platinum too.

And quite often they too would 'wild the fuck out'.

And that is THROUGHOUT their history in America.

The style is different, the substance is not. Both are criminals, both lack morals, both have the hot heads and bad eggs mixed in.
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#663207 - 08/29/12 09:40 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
Originally Posted By: Wilson


Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".


LMAO haha!

I just posted it cause it shows that the pics you posted before were taken at a bad time. Most of the time these guys do present themselves in a decent manner. Especially if they are gonna be around people that are important.

The black gangs continue to dress like bums, no matter who they are in front of. Mobsters atleast have the decency to show some class in the way they dress.

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#663209 - 08/29/12 09:43 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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To you he dresses like a bum, to his community and peers he's dressed to impress.
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#663215 - 08/29/12 10:07 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
Originally Posted By: Wilson


Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".


LMAO haha!

I just posted it cause it shows that the pics you posted before were taken at a bad time. Most of the time these guys do present themselves in a decent manner. Especially if they are gonna be around people that are important.

The black gangs continue to dress like bums, no matter who they are in front of. Mobsters atleast have the decency to show some class in the way they dress.


Sigh...you clearly are narrow-minded.
If the grandpa-costume of Sarno is what you call decent, then the clothes this Philadelphia Black Mafia member wears are equally decent :

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#663218 - 08/29/12 10:16 PM Re: rap labels [Re: TheKillingJoke]
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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
Originally Posted By: Wilson


Dont know why you chose that photo for, hes just wearing the standard grandad costume.
So basically if gangbangers dont dress like this there not "real gangsters".


LMAO haha!

I just posted it cause it shows that the pics you posted before were taken at a bad time. Most of the time these guys do present themselves in a decent manner. Especially if they are gonna be around people that are important.

The black gangs continue to dress like bums, no matter who they are in front of. Mobsters atleast have the decency to show some class in the way they dress.


Sigh...you clearly are narrow-minded.
If the grandpa-costume of Sarno is what you call decent, then the clothes this Philadelphia Black Mafia member wears are equally decent :


How can you even compare the two pictures?

That guy was from the 60's. Blacks dressed different back then. They even had hairstyles that white people would wear.

Nowdays, a black gang member dresses in baggy dirty jeans and and oversized bubble coat in a courtroom.

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#663221 - 08/29/12 10:25 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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You know what. I'm going to pull out of this discussion. You are 100% right !

THIS is a member of the mafia :



While THIS is a member of a black gang :


End of discussion ! Enjoy your victory

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#663449 - 08/30/12 05:58 PM Re: rap labels [Re: TheKillingJoke]
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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
You know what. I'm going to pull out of this discussion. You are 100% right !

THIS is a member of the mafia :



While THIS is a member of a black gang :


End of discussion ! Enjoy your victory


HAHA Fucking hilarious.

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#663458 - 08/30/12 06:31 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.

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#663478 - 08/30/12 07:44 PM Re: rap labels [Re: TheKillingJoke]
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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
You know what. I'm going to pull out of this discussion. You are 100% right !

THIS is a member of the mafia :



While THIS is a member of a black gang :


End of discussion ! Enjoy your victory


Yeah that whole debate was sort of retarded to begin with. Im sure ive seen that black guy on tv or in a few movies or something.

Anyway to get back to the original theme of the thread.

C.E.B
(Countin Endless Bank)

A hardcore rap group comprised of rappers christopher roney aka cool c, warren mcglone aka steady b and ultimate faze.The trio released their only album, Countin' Endless Bank, on Ruffhouse Records in 1993, to disappointing sales and reviews. The single "Get the Point" reached #5 on Billboard's Hot Rap Singles.

On January 2, 1996, during the same time period that he was recording a comeback EP,[2] Roney, along with C.E.B. band mate McGlone (a.k.a. Steady B), and another local Philadelphia rapper, Mark Canty, attempted a bank robbery at a PNC bank branch in Philadelphia. During the botched heist, Roney shot and killed Philadelphia Police Officer Lauretha Vaird, who responded to the bank's silent alarm.[3][4] As he exited the bank, Roney exchanged fire with another police officer, before he and Canty dropped their weapons at the scene and fled in a stolen minivan driven by McGlone.[5]
Vaird, an African-American woman and the single mother of two children, was the first female Philadelphia Police officer killed in the line of duty.[6]
Roney was arrested and on October 30, 1996, convicted of first degree murder.[3] At his subsequent sentencing hearing, Roney was sentenced to death by lethal injection. On January 10, 2006, his death warrant was signed by Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell and his execution date was set for March 9, 2006.[7] He was granted a stay of execution from Pennsylvania Judge Gary Glazer on February 1, 2006 until all post-conviction litigation is resolved.[8]
Roney has steadfastly maintained his innocence throughout the trial and appeals process, despite the testimony of three eyewitnesses who placed him at the scene of the robbery, as well as ballistic and forensic evidence and surveillance video that linked him to the murder.[2][5] He is currently an inmate at Pennsylvania’s State Correctional Institution at Greene.

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#663481 - 08/30/12 08:12 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Imamobguy]
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Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.


Wearing a suit is just as much psychological as it is a status statement. If you dress the part, you more than likely will have more confidence. Just like in any profession this will lead to you doing a better job most of the time.

Say you want to be taken seriously? What kind of outfit will gain you more respect? A stylish suit or a pair of oversized baggy jeans that are falling off your ass and a dirty t-shirt?

Wear the suit proudly I say.

P.S. Don't forget to shave and put on your deodorant either.


Edited by Wilson (08/30/12 08:14 PM)

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#663483 - 08/30/12 08:22 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Imamobguy]
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Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gangster

The definition of gangster the 2nd one fits drug runners imo.

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#663519 - 08/30/12 09:29 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Originally Posted By: Wilson
Originally Posted By: Imamobguy
Because you wear a Suit it doesnt make you a Gangster. Drug Runner's arent Gangsters, The Movie's portrayed Gangsters in Suits because they had alot of money. Gangsters work for Organization's, Drug Runners are wild.


Wearing a suit is just as much psychological as it is a status statement. If you dress the part, you more than likely will have more confidence. Just like in any profession this will lead to you doing a better job most of the time.

Say you want to be taken seriously? What kind of outfit will gain you more respect? A stylish suit or a pair of oversized baggy jeans that are falling off your ass and a dirty t-shirt?

Wear the suit proudly I say.

P.S. Don't forget to shave and put on your deodorant either.


Although ill agree that street gang members like to wear baggy clothes. I don't think they are wearing dirty t shirts and jeans evrywhere they go, in fact they seem to keep up with the latest fashion trends. Also do you think that mobsters are wearing suits every day.
heres a picture of gaeton lucibello a philly mobster wearing a baggy sean john track suit which is p.diddys clothing brand.


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#663524 - 08/30/12 09:32 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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You can try to persuade Wilson into thinking some black criminals are 'real gangsters' and do dress decent, but I guess it won't do much help grin

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#663540 - 08/30/12 10:01 PM Re: rap labels [Re: TheKillingJoke]
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well i I'm not really bothered about his stance on black gangsters not being real gangsters and im not trying to persuade him of anything, its his opinion at the end of the day. His reasoning behind it just doesnt make any sense, making the way they dress to some sort of significance is just irrelevant.

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#663584 - 08/31/12 12:43 AM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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well i I'm not really bothered about his stance on black gangsters not being real gangsters and im not trying to persuade him of anything, its his opinion at the end of the day. His reasoning behind it just doesnt make any sense, making the way they dress to some sort of significance is just irrelevant.

That's it: reasoning with the unreasonable won't get anyone far. Black and latino street gangs have an unlimited amount of criminal potential in the US, if only in numbers. Unfortunatly for them the G is less naive these days, and they've got a different structure, with sets fighting amongst each other and all. That doesn't really help. But then again most Italians in the early Black Hand days where also just ghetto street gangs praying on their own people. Being a gangster is not a fashion statement, and gangsterism is an equal opportunty employer.

And thanks for the very informative post.


Edited by B_A_ (08/31/12 12:54 AM)

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#663630 - 08/31/12 11:28 AM Re: rap labels [Re: B_A_]
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Being a gangster is not a fashion statement, and gangsterism is an equal opportunty employer.

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#716323 - 05/19/13 02:27 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Lilo]
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Out Da Cutt Records.

Members of Large Alaska Drug Conspiracy Indicted
Indictment Includes Members of a Local Rap Group Who Sang About Drug Trafficking
U.S. Attorney’s Office
August 31, 2012

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ANCHORAGE—U.S. Attorney Karen L. Loeffler announced that seven men and one woman were arrested during a joint federal and state takedown in Anchorage, Alaska; Atlanta, Georgia; and Rochester, New York. Eleven individuals were indicted by a federal grand jury in Anchorage on August 22, 2012, on charges of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute powder cocaine, oxycodone pills, and marijuana in Anchorage and Fairbanks. The indictment alleges that the conspiracy began in 2009 and continued through August 2012. The indictment detailed multiple shipments of cocaine to Alaska involving over 50 kilograms of cocaine.

The indictment names Donnell R. S. Johnson, a/k/a “D,” a/k/a “Creep”; Terrance S. Fleming, a/k/a “Baydilla,” a/k/a “Fatboy,” a/k/a “Rodney William Payne”; Antonio Fleming, a/k/a “Wookie,”; Dalon Johnson, a/k/a “DayDay,”; Tevoris Carter, a/k/a “Peanut,” a/k/a “Young Money”; Rock Edward Phelps, II, a/k/a “Skitzo Scoe,”; Demar Moultrie, a/k/a “Duckmane,” a/k/a “All Day”; Jeraelyn Hill, a/k/a “Dredhead,” a/k/a “Rae”; Jerry Wormley, Jr., a/k/a “Two-tone”; Emma Elizabeth Shine; and Brent Gunnels, a/k/a “BG,” as defendants.

The indictment alleges that Donnell Johnson, Terrance and Antonio Fleming, Dalon Johnson, Carter, Phelps, Moultrie, Hill, Wormley, and Shine would receive shipments of powder cocaine, oxycodone pills, and marijuana from sources in Nevada, California, and Washington and then distributed it in Anchorage and Fairbanks between 2009 and August 2012. The indictment alleges that Donnell Johnson, Terrance Fleming, Antonio Fleming, Dalon Johnson, Tavoris Carter, Rock Phelps, Demar Moultrie, and Jeraelyn Hill were affiliated with a local rap group known as UNDB (Up North “D” Boys), as well as Out Da Cutt Records. The indictment alleges that drug proceeds were used in an attempt to facilitate and legitimize the music careers of the members of the conspiracy by making it appear that they were profitable recording artists. These individuals produced and featured themselves in several music videos available on the website YouTube.com. In these videos, they perform under the stage names mentioned as aliases in the indictment, and lyrics to many of the songs refer to drug trafficking.

The indictment also alleges that Donnell Johnson, Shine, and Gunnels also conspired in an attempt to destroy evidence that was associated with the conspiracy located at one of Johnson’s residences in North Pole, Alaska. According to the indictment, the Donnell Johnson, Shine, and Gunnels conspired to remove a firearm and other evidence from the North Pole residence. Finally, the indictment seeks to forfeit property that facilitated the drug trafficking conspiracy, as well as property that constituted drug proceeds. Include are cash, custom jewelry, a firearm, 10 vehicles, and a house located on Dannilynn Circle in Anchorage.

Terrence Fleming, 32, formerly of Anchorage, was arrested on August 30, in a suburb of Atlanta, Georgia. Firearms, packaging material, and custom jewelry were seized from his residence.

Carter, 26, and Moultrie, 24, also who previously resided in Anchorage, were arrested on August 30 in Rochester, New York. Terrance Fleming, Carter, and Moultrie are being detained pending transfer back to Anchorage.

Antonio Fleming, 33; Emma Shine, 24; Dalon Johnson, 35; Rock Phelps, 26; and Jeraelyn Hill, 24, were arrested on August 30, in Anchorage. Crack cocaine and a gun were seized from Shine’s residence. Over $10,000 in cash was seized with a residence associated with Antonio Fleming. They were being arraigned in federal court this morning.

Donnell Johnson, 30, has been in custody since January 2012. The indictment alleges that he was responsible for distribution of cocaine in Fairbanks.

Police have not yet arrested Jerry Wormley, Jr., 34, and Brent Gunnels, 31, both of Fairbanks. Authorities are seeking information as to their whereabouts.

The case is being prosecuted by the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Alaska. The law provides for a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison with a maximum total sentence of life in prison, a fine of up to $10,000,000, or both. Under the federal sentencing statutes, the actual sentence imposed will be based upon the seriousness of the offense and the prior criminal history, if any, of the defendant.

The FBI Safe Streets Task Force; the Drug Enforcement Administration; Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigation Division; the U.S. Postal Inspection Service; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; and the Anchorage Police Department conducted the investigation that led to the indictment. They were assisted by federal and local law enforcement in Atlanta, Rochester, and Oakland.

An indictment is only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. A defendant is presumed innocent and is entitled to a fair trial at which the government must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

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#716585 - 05/20/13 08:59 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Top 6 gang


Top 6 Gang began as a small rap group in Lake Worth and thrived until it became one of the most criminally successful and brutal gangs in South Florida. Top 6 has grown to include about 350 members who control at least 10 predominantly Haitian or Haitian-American neighborhood-based gangs in Lake Worth, Riviera Beach, West Palm Beach, Lantana and Boynton Beach. The gang has also spread to Miami, Orlando and Tallahassee. Top 6 has been linked to some of the counties most violent crimes, like the killing of Berno Charlemond, 24, shot to death at the Boynton Beach Mall on Christmas Eve 2006, and a March 2007 backyard massacre in which three men were killed and four others critically wounded in the rear of a Lake Worth home.

florida gang trial turns deadly with killing of witness

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#718304 - 06/02/13 05:57 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Eazy-E Planned To Kill Suge Knight, According To Jerry Heller
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posted May 11, 2013 at 7:55PM GMT+0100 | 186 comments


Jerry Heller claims that Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. "I should have let him kill him," Heller says. "I would have done the world a favor."

According to Ruthless Records co-founder Jerry Heller, Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. Heller recently revealed this in a radio interview, claiming that Eazy wanted to kill Knight and that he feels he "should have let him" do it.

In an interview with Prezident Bejda of The Murder Master Music Show, Heller explained how this conversation took place.

"Eazy said, 'You know this guy Suge Knight?' I said, 'Yeah.' He says, 'Well, I'm gonna kill him!' He said, 'This guy is gonna be a problem and I think I should kill him.' I said, 'Let me think this thing through. First of all, we're doing $10 million a month with six employees. We don't even have a typewriter in the office. We're the most successful start-up record company in the history of the music business and you want to kill this guy? That just doesn't make any sense to me.'"

Heller then explained that he regrets talking Eazy out of it.

"You know something? I should have let him kill him. You know? I would have done the world a favor. He would have done it for sure by himself. He always rolled by himself and he was fearless...I think that he was going to go do it. I took him seriously."

"He was right and I was wrong," he later added. "I shouldn't have talked him out of it. Ruthless would probably still be around. Dr. Dre and Ice Cube would probably still be with Ruthless. It would have been an empire." http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.23...to-jerry-heller
radio interview with jerry heller

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#737195 - 08/28/13 02:35 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Wasnt scarfa jr shot with a mac10or something in a crowded public restaurant?on halloween of all nights when kids are everywhere?there are black and white and fukn asian gangsters
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#737352 - 08/28/13 11:55 PM Re: rap labels [Re: tommykarate]
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Leader of Anchorage Hip Hop Label 'Out Da Cutt' and Group 'UNDB' Pleads Guilty to Drug Conspiracy
By GW Rastopsoff | Alaska Native News 08/23/2013 10:22:00
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The owner/operator of the Anchorage Hip Hop label "Out Da Cutt" and leader of the Hip Hop group "UNDB," Terrance Fleming, pled guilty in federal court on Thursday to Drug Conspiracy. 13 of his co-conspirators have already pled guilty to charges stemming from the case and most have already been sentenced.
Fleming, also known as "Baydilla," admitted in court that he had imported between 50 and 150 kilos(110 to 330 pounds) of cocaine into Alaska between 2009 and 2012. As leader of the conspiracy, he imported the drug from Nevada and Washington to be sold in Fairbanks and Anchorage.


The conspirators portrayed an extravagant lifestyle in the music and videos, this lifestyle was supported by their drug sales. Like his other conspirators, Fleming attempted to conceal the drug trafficking receipts as proceeds from legitimate business, namely as artists, employees and promoters of the Anchorage recording label and members of the rap group.
Fleming agreed to forfeit his jewelry and necklaces with pendants that displayed the words "King of Alaska," "AJC," and "Baydilla" with an estimated worth of $200,000, expensive vehicles and cash as part of the plea agreement.
Fleming was indicted along with 13 other members of the conspiracy located in Anchorage and Fairbanks. Christopher Anderson was previously sentenced to 14 months in prison on November 2, 2012. DeMarr Moultrie was sentenced to 40 months in prison on May 1, 2013. Jeraelyn Hill was sentenced to 66 months in prison on May 28, 2013. Jerry Wormley was sentenced to 36 months in prison on May 31, 2013. Rock Phelps II was sentenced to 18 months in prison on June 14, 2013. Brent Gunnels was sentenced to 6 months in prison on August 2, 2013. Mihla Hall was sentenced to 28 months in prison on August 21, 2013.
Donnell Johnson, Joshua Mustovich, Antonio Fleming, Dalon Johnson, Tevoris Carter, and Emma Shine, have all pled guilty for their roles in connection with the conspiracy and await sentencing.
Fleming faces a maximum sentence of life imprisonment on the drug conspiracy.
- See more at: http://alaska-native-news.com/general-ne...h.llnpALyO.dpuf

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#737434 - 08/29/13 07:43 AM Re: rap labels [Re: Wilson]
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Did a black gang banger have sex with your wife?

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#737437 - 08/29/13 09:13 AM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Eazy-E Planned To Kill Suge Knight, According To Jerry Heller
by ANDRES VASQUEZ
posted May 11, 2013 at 7:55PM GMT+0100 | 186 comments


Jerry Heller claims that Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. "I should have let him kill him," Heller says. "I would have done the world a favor."

According to Ruthless Records co-founder Jerry Heller, Eazy-E wanted to kill Suge Knight. Heller recently revealed this in a radio interview, claiming that Eazy wanted to kill Knight and that he feels he "should have let him" do it.

In an interview with Prezident Bejda of The Murder Master Music Show, Heller explained how this conversation took place.

"Eazy said, 'You know this guy Suge Knight?' I said, 'Yeah.' He says, 'Well, I'm gonna kill him!' He said, 'This guy is gonna be a problem and I think I should kill him.' I said, 'Let me think this thing through. First of all, we're doing $10 million a month with six employees. We don't even have a typewriter in the office. We're the most successful start-up record company in the history of the music business and you want to kill this guy? That just doesn't make any sense to me.'"

Heller then explained that he regrets talking Eazy out of it.

"You know something? I should have let him kill him. You know? I would have done the world a favor. He would have done it for sure by himself. He always rolled by himself and he was fearless...I think that he was going to go do it. I took him seriously."

"He was right and I was wrong," he later added. "I shouldn't have talked him out of it. Ruthless would probably still be around. Dr. Dre and Ice Cube would probably still be with Ruthless. It would have been an empire." http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.23...to-jerry-heller
radio interview with jerry heller


Yeah ive heard about this.Thanks for the remind.Although Suge was more of a connected guy and Eazy's death was very suspicious.I used to listen to Eazy E a lot when I was a kid.
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#737448 - 08/29/13 11:41 AM Re: rap labels [Re: Toodoped]
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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.

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#737506 - 08/29/13 06:55 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.


Yeah you r right,i didn't say that Suge killed Eazy or in any way Eazy was killed.All I said that his death was a lil bit suspicious cuz he died from aids like what...in two weeks?Ok maybe he didnt know,maybe he was infected earlier but how come that no1 got infected around him?Not even his wife.This is one of thouse conspiracy bullshit chats but all I have to say is that Eazy was first of the gangsta rap artists that stepped foot in the white house with baggy jeans and a blue bandana.The fuckers ova there didn't even knew who was commin in.All they knew was that a music star gave some donation and they invited him on lunch.So when he came they didn't let him in but as Eazy once said "I paid a 200$ airplane ticket for 1000 000$ press" something like that....
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#737507 - 08/29/13 06:58 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Lucibello looks fresh rockin the Sean John. I noticed that pic a while back. He usually rocks velours this guy, at least in surveillance.
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#737517 - 08/29/13 08:58 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Toodoped]
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suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.


Yeah you r right,i didn't say that Suge killed Eazy or in any way Eazy was killed.All I said that his death was a lil bit suspicious cuz he died from aids like what...in two weeks?Ok maybe he didnt know,maybe he was infected earlier but how come that no1 got infected around him?Not even his wife.This is one of thouse conspiracy bullshit chats but all I have to say is that Eazy was first of the gangsta rap artists that stepped foot in the white house with baggy jeans and a blue bandana.The fuckers ova there didn't even knew who was commin in.All they knew was that a music star gave some donation and they invited him on lunch.So when he came they didn't let him in but as Eazy once said "I paid a 200$ airplane ticket for 1000 000$ press" something like that....


yeah ur right, theres alot of conspiracy theories but you have to remember hiv was a sure death sentence back then, ive read that shit can lay dormant and undetected for at least two without any symptoms. The guy was a pioneer though for rap, with suge as much as i liked death rows music and find knights story interesting he is just an amoral sociopathic gangster and thug. I read a report recently saying he was pimping out women in las vegas, wouldnt be surprised if its true.

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#737527 - 08/29/13 09:50 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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INSIDE THE HIDDEN VALLEY KINGS
The Hidden Valley Kings took root in northern Charlotte in the late 1980s, with its original leaders moving in from Chicago. Since then the gang has moved into other communities, though many of its members still live in Hidden Valley.

Police say the Kings have three levels ranging from Tier 1 (gang leaders and veteran members) to Tier 3 (the gang’s most recent recruits known as BGs, or “Baby Gangsters.”)

In documents discussed in court Thursday, police say gang members control their neighborhoods through violence and intimidation. Police say the Kings run drugs to buy weapons and have been linked to crimes ranging from assault to robbery and murder.


State Sues Gang and Its Rap Label
By DAN MCCUE
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. (CN) - North Carolina and Charlotte sued a gang and its record label, claiming the gang uses its hip-hop label to promote its drug deals, armed robberies and drive-by shootings.
North Carolina and Charlotte sued the Hidden Valley Kings aka HVK aka ICEE Money [the record label], and three men: Wendell McCain, Kevin Funderbunk and Cordell Blair, in Mecklenburg County Court.
Charlotte claims it has no other adequate means of stopping gang members from associating with one another to plan and commit crimes.
The defendants claim Northeast Charlotte neighborhood of Hidden Valley as its turf.
The gang was formed in the late 1980s, and gained national attention when it was featured in an episode of "Gangland," titled "Killing Snitches," which was broadcast in 2009.
The city claims that the gang, which has developed a social hierarchy comprised of member "tiers," maintains a high profile via its rap label, ICEE Money, which stands for "I see money."
"According to its members, ICEE is a record label that promotes gangster rap," the state and city say in the lawsuit. "However, public source information provided by the 'promoters' on YouTube and Twitter accounts, along with interviews conducted by police with ICEE associates, clearly indicates that ICEE is predominately comprised of Tier 1 HVK members is being operated as a front for HVK.
"On information and belief, one of HVK's criminal gang activities is the organized sale and distribution of marijuana. The money from the sales is used in part to purchase firearms and provide income to Tier 1 members. Its members are known to carry large amounts of cash and have admitted to police officers that they are not otherwise lawfully employed.
"On information and belief, Tier 3 members or Baby Gangsters (BGs) are required to perform 'licks' in order to gain recognition. Licks are acts taken to benefit HVK and consist of such criminal offenses as the sale of illegal drugs and the commission of armed robberies. An example of a lick is the incident the occurred on June 18, 2013, when a Tier 3 member, Jaquez Walker attempted to rob a CMPD [Charlotte Municipal Police Department] informant after selling him a small amount of marijuana, whereby the informant was shot by Walker and Walker was in turn shot and killed by police. Jaquez Walker was a self-admitted Tier 3 member of HVK and was 17 years old at the time of his death.
"On information and belief, HVK is believed to be responsible for several drive-by shootings which are deployed to protect their turf or to retaliate against other gangs or persons. While the Hidden Valley Neighborhood in general is a safe place to live, the increase in HVK's violent actions threatens the health, safety and welfare of the neighborhood and surrounding areas."
The state and city claim: "The citizens who live and work in the Hidden Valley community are suffering immediate and irreparable harm in that they are being denied the quiet enjoyment of their homes and businesses due to the criminal street gang activity engaged in by the defendants and other indentified gang members."
The city seeks an injunction under the North Carolina Street Gang Nuisance Act, to prohibit gang members and associates from criminal gang activity.
The injunction would prohibit HVK members from driving, sitting, standing, walking, gathering or appearing anywhere in public with other gang members, except to attend church, school or counseling.
The city and state are represented by City Attorney Robert Hagemann.

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#737539 - 08/29/13 11:45 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Record label releases rap album attacking DEA after drug probe

Posted: Tuesday, October 03, 2000
MARY LEE GRANT
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HOUSTON - A record label whose founder was under investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration is releasing an album that taunts the agency and talks about killing informants.

DEA officials say they are disturbed by the contents of the CD, which mentions agents by name.

The boasts by rap artist Brad "Scarface" Jordan, whose album was being released Tuesday, stem from a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno from Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., sent on behalf of the rapper's label, Houston-based Rap-A-Lot Records, and its owner James A. Prince.

"Can't be stopped. Not even by a badge," one song declares, "(DEA Agent Jack ) Schumacher's been chasin' me. Tryin' to set me up. Bustin' down my streets. Lockin'up my dog, to see if he can catch me. But I don't sell no dope. ...(expletive) the DEA."

Waters' letter asks for an investigation of the DEA, but she denied a report Monday in The Dallas Morning News that she intervened to stop the investigation of Prince.

"My letter speaks for itself," Waters said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Nowhere in my letter does it ask to halt an investigation. My letter was based on the allegations that Mr. Prince was making about harassment and fear for his life. I told him if you don't have anything to hide, come to Washington to file a report."

On his CD, Jordan, who entered a guilty plea last year to a misdemeanor marijuana charge, brags of the "Rap-A-Lot mafia's" ability to derail a DEA investigation and the careers of drug agents.

In her letter, Waters said racial slurs, harassment, and racial profiling may have been involved in the investigation.

Neither Reno nor Waters put any pressure on the DEA to stop the investigation, said Ernest Howard, special agent-in-charge of the Houston office of the agency.

" Mr. Prince is black and I'm black," Howard said Monday. "I'm the one that assigned the case. I wasn't out to investigate a black man. I don't care if a trafficker is green, yellow or blue. I assigned it because there were allegations of drug trafficking."

Prince, who has not been charged as a result of the investigation, has said his company has done nothing illegal. Phone calls placed Monday by The Associated Press to his offices were not returned.

Prince has been arrested twice on minor drug and weapons charges that later were dropped. His label released a 1993 Geto Boys album containing lyrics in which the rappers threaten to shoot police. Prince complained on the best-selling album of a DEA conspiracy to target his record label.

"The mere fact that they would go that far in the back of my mind substantiates our investigation in that case," Howard said.

"It's typical gangster rap. They criticize law enforcement and criticize those providing allegations. They have made past accusations of police brutality and now they are talking about violence against people in law enforcement. There's a double-edged sword."

Howard said he thinks songs that say there is nothing wrong with harming law enforcement ends up hurting young people.

"They think because these are rock stars they are telling the truth," he said. "It really skews things."

He said inner city youths wouldn't consider him a role model "but every kid in the ... inner city knows who Scarface is."

Waters, in her letter to DEA officials, cited Schumacher's involvement in six fatal shootings. Authorities said each shooting involving the agent was justified.

Schumacher, a 27-year law enforcement veteran who directed the case through more than 20 state and federal convictions as well as cocaine seizures in Oklahoma City, Beaumont and Houston, was transferred last spring from active investigation to a desk job.

"It was my idea to reassign him for his own protection and the protection of this case," Howard said. "In this case if he did everything right from A to Z it would have been wrong to some people."

Jordan, whose new album is called "The Last of a Dying Breed," was one of several Rap-A-Lot associates arrested in a DEA inquiry and pleaded guilty in 1999 to misdemeanor marijuana charges in connection with the case.

DEA agent barred from investigation

Associated Press

DALLAS (AP) - The lead agent in a probe of a rap recording company has been barred from involvement in the case just weeks after he testified before a Congressional committee that high-ranking politicians pressured federal officials to shut down the investigation.

Drug Enforcement Administration agent Jack Schumacher was taken off a drug probe of James A. Prince and his associates at Houston-based Rap-A-Lot Records and removed as liaison with the Harris County District Attorney's office in a move his attorney, Michael Hinton, said appears to be revenge for his testimony before Congress.

"What else could this be but retaliation?" Hinton told The Dallas Morning News for Saturday editions. "Jack Schumacher has got a tremendous background in this case. He knows it better than anybody. And less than two weeks after he tells Congress what went wrong, this happens?"

Schumacher and three Houston Police Department drug investigators in the Rap-A-Lot case told a congressional committee this month they were making substantial progress until the head of the DEA's Houston office ordered it stopped because of political pressure.

A DEA spokesman in Houston wouldn't comment and said the agency's Houston chief, Ernest L. Howard, was unavailable for comment. Howard has denied shutting down the investigation.

But officers testified Howard stopped the investigation shortly after U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, wrote a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno asking her to investigate allegations by Prince that he was subjected to racial slurs and profiling, and that he feared for his life by "rogue DEA agents."

Howard, who is black, has said the agency has not harassed Prince.

Prince has been arrested twice on minor drug and weapons charges that later were dropped. He complained on a best-selling 1993 Geto Boys album of a DEA conspiracy to target his record label. His company recently released a recording by Brad "Scarface" Jordan which taunts Schumacher and threatens to destroy agents' careers and kill informants. Jordan was arrested in the DEA inquiry and pleaded guilty in 1999 to misdemeanor marijuana charges.

Schumacher had 19 complaints filed against him while he was a Houston police officer and four as a DEA agent. He has been involved in nine shootings in which someone was killed. All were found to be justified.

He directed the case through more than 20 state and federal convictions.

Prosecutors said they worry Schumacher is being is being punished, and they will miss his expertise.

"I'm at least suspect about what's going on," assistant Harris County prosecutor Craig Goodhart told the Morning News. "Limiting our access to Jack makes it a little difficult for us to do things...He's been a clearinghouse for us. He's got a wealth of information, and we'd like to be able to use it."

Rap-A-Lot probe was to continue, DEA says

Attorney general requested inquiry into alleged civil rights abuses, but case was somehow closed
By Suzanne Gamboa
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Attorney General Janet Reno requested an inquiry into allegations of civil rights abuses in a Houston drug probe, but did not order the case closed, the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration said Thursday.
The inquiry Reno requested led to a series of events that ultimately resulted in the 1999 suspension of a joint DEA-Houston Police Department investigation of Rap-A-Lot Records and its founder James Prince.
DEA Administrator Donnie Marshall said any shutdown of the case was contrary to his orders.
"At no time did anyone tell me the criminal investigation was closed down," Marshall said. "And at no time did I have any reason to believe this criminal investigation was closed down."
The investigation's suspension prompted a probe by the House Government Reform Committee into whether political pressure led to the shutdown of the investigation.
Thursday was the second day of hearings on the matter. Committee members questioned why an investigation that had netted 20 convictions, including one for murder, was abruptly halted.
They also questioned why Prince's allegations, a suspect in a drug investigation, were given enough credibility to cause the temporary suspension of the lead investigator and his eventual transfer.
Rep. Maxine Waters, D-California, pleaded for Reno's help in an Aug. 20, 1999, letter saying Prince had been subjected to racial slurs, was illegally searched and stopped numerous times on "dark stretches of Texas highways."
Waters also told Reno that Prince feared for his life "at the hands of rogue officers" in the Houston DEA.
"Your agency truly doesn't look good," Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., told Marshall. "It doesn't look good because it looks like an investigation was suspended ... because a subject of an investigation was able to go to a member of Congress and when the member of Congress issued a complaint to the Justice Department you all jumped overboard to accommodate."
On Wednesday, the Rap-A-Lot lead investigator and three Houston police detectives said they were told in September 1999 the case was shut down because of political pressure.
Their testimony conflicted with that of Houston DEA Special Agent Ernest Howard, who said he suspended investigative work without permission from supervisors pending the outcome of the internal DEA investigation of Prince's allegations.
Prince is black, as are Waters, Howard and two of the police officers in the investigation.
The witnesses were recalled Thursday to clarify the inconsistencies.
"I know what the truth is. I know what I did and didn't do," Howard said, adding he would work one more year at the Houston job.
Howard's recollection of his action on the case was corroborated in a letter written to committee chairman Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., and James Nims, the supervisor of the group investigating Rap-A-Lot.
Nims said Howard had told him the case was suspended pending the conclusion of the internal investigation and "there was to be no enforcement action taken unless it was cleared through the chain of command."
The internal investigation found that Prince's allegations against lead investigator Jack Schumacher were unsubstantiated. Another agent accused of stealing a defendant's necklace was reprimanded for not following procedures for handling evidence.

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#737606 - 08/30/13 02:25 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
suge had alot of muscle. But i dont believe he infected easy with aids, if he was gonna do it he would have just had him shot or something which was something he was suspeted of doing to a few people at the time.


Yeah you r right,i didn't say that Suge killed Eazy or in any way Eazy was killed.All I said that his death was a lil bit suspicious cuz he died from aids like what...in two weeks?Ok maybe he didnt know,maybe he was infected earlier but how come that no1 got infected around him?Not even his wife.This is one of thouse conspiracy bullshit chats but all I have to say is that Eazy was first of the gangsta rap artists that stepped foot in the white house with baggy jeans and a blue bandana.The fuckers ova there didn't even knew who was commin in.All they knew was that a music star gave some donation and they invited him on lunch.So when he came they didn't let him in but as Eazy once said "I paid a 200$ airplane ticket for 1000 000$ press" something like that....


The guy was a pioneer though for rap, with suge as much as i liked death rows music and find knights story interesting he is just an amoral sociopathic gangster and thug. I read a report recently saying he was pimping out women in las vegas, wouldnt be surprised if its true.


Yeah I wouldn't be surprised also cuz Suge is/was a thug.He started as a bodyguard for Dre I think and before that he was connected to some piru gang.When he became the top guy in death row he made a lot of famous artists feel comfortable around him and by that most of em felt into his "spider web" and in the end they got played.Btw I will never forget the video when he got kocked the fuck out by some dude(barber I think)few years ago.I was laughin my ass off...
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#737612 - 08/30/13 05:01 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Toodoped]
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yeh that was funny, im sure another video came out of him confronting the guy again at a vegas casino. Alot of his muscle started getting killed off in a feud with a disgruntled former deathrow blood including the gang member he alledgly hired to kil biggie, wardell fouse. i posted it up before but it gives more detail its also i blelieve why he has fallen so low.http://articles.latimes.com/2003/aug/01/business/fi-suge1



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#737615 - 08/30/13 05:25 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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DEA Agent: Gore Donation Quashed Rap-A-Lot Probe
Label spokesperson calls 'absurd' charge that political pressure, bought by alleged $200,000 gift to vice president's campaign, halted drug investigation.
By Eric Schumacher-Rasmussen

A federal drug-enforcement agent told a congressoinal committee Thursday (December 7) that his probe of Rap-A-Lot records was canceled, and he was demoted, after label head James Prince gave $200,000 to Vice President Al Gore's presidential campaign.

Prince's publicist called the charge "asburd" and said Prince "has never donated a dime to Al Gore."

"That would be like Lars Ulrich buying shares in Napster," publicist Phyllis Pollack said.

Drug Enforcement Administration Agent Jack Schumacher, who was called out on record by Rap-A Lot artist Scarface on the rapper's October album, Last of a Dying Breed, would not disclose his source connecting Prince to a $200,000 donation to the Gore campaign. California Democrat Henry Waxman said that there are no records of any contributions from Rap-A-Lot or Prince to the Gore campaign or the Democratic National Committee.

The two-day hearings of the House Committee on Government Reform, set to conclude Thursday, were the latest chapter in a 12-year saga involving Rap-A-Lot, the DEA and police in Houston, Texas. The investigation has resulted in more than 20 drug-related convictions, but Prince has never been charged.

The hearing was called to determine whether political pressure resulted in Attorney General Janet Reno calling off the investigation, an allegation denied by Houston DEA head Ernest Howard. Howard testified that he suspended the investigation because he was concerned about agents' safety and careers.

Schumacher and three Houston police officers claimed that Howard told them politics were at the root of the investigation's end. The three officers testified that they were pulled off the probe soon after California representative Maxine Waters sent a letter to Reno. Schumacher was moved to a desk job March 14, two days after Gore visited the Church Without Walls in Houston, the parish to which Prince belongs and has given more than $1 million.

Waters' letter, dated August 20, 1999, asked Reno to investigate "rogue agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency" and said that Prince feared for his life. In an October statement, Prince accused Schumacher of having "no respect for the rights of individuals."

Schumacher has been involved in six fatal shootings in the line of duty, the Dallas Morning News reported. When asked Wednesday how many people he killed, Schumacher responded that he didn't "keep count," but that he had read the number in the newspaper.

"I've been involved in probably 12 gunfights, all of which involved numerous officers and numerous criminals," Schumacher testified, adding that in such situations it's difficult to tell who is shooting whom.

Waters, Prince and the church's pastor were not called to testify. None was available for comment.

Late in the day Wednesday, the hearing's attention turned to Scarface's lyrics. In the song "Look Me In My Eyes" (RealAudio excerpt), Scarface (born Brad Jordan) accuses Schumacher of harassing him, an allegation also made by Prince in his October statement.

On "Gangsta Shit," Scarface boasts, "There ain't enough bullshit in the United States to stop this Rap-A-Lot shit."

Early Thursday, Schumacher claimed that he had been told by a confidential informant that a contract had been taken out on his life.

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#737637 - 08/30/13 07:25 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Scorcese. A friend of mine has a pacer account and it shows that Scarface (brad jordan) got indicted in 2008 and his case was subsequently sealed and i dont think he ever did much time. Its fairly obvious he is a snitch. Just saying, for a guy who degrades snitches in his songs for him to become one is pathetic.
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#737648 - 08/30/13 08:52 PM Re: rap labels [Re: vinnietoothpicks26]
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didnt know that, what was he indicted for?
a sealed indictment doesnt mean hes a snitch though.

if he is a snitch, he obviously hasn't snitched on anyone from rap a lot. That label still going strong. http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/5672569/rap-a-lot-records-signs-with-red-distribution
J Prince the ceo has had ties to death row financier harry o and gangster disciple leader larry hoover and is also involved with boxing promotions.

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#737651 - 08/30/13 09:44 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Coke conspiracy. Absolutely 100% hes a snitch. Little nicky has a pacer account maybe he can vouch.
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#737652 - 08/30/13 09:46 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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It was a coke conspiracy, i can pull the docket information if you want. Most of the record is sealed and pleas were entered into. Considering he appeared to serve little if any time, I would be very surprised if there wasn't a bit of ratting going down. But I cannot know for sure.


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#737653 - 08/30/13 09:48 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Most of these rappers are such bull shit artists. Scarface has made his living talking about how gangster he is. He is a good rapper. I had his last album with the song high powered in 08. But for a guy who calls people out for snitching to in fact be a snitch is ridiculous.
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#737656 - 08/30/13 10:12 PM Re: rap labels [Re: vinnietoothpicks26]
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i didnt know he was dealing coke. If he did snitch i can sort of understand, why throw a decent career away if your being given a way out of jail. Most rappers are actors with a small minority being real gangsters. I think with scarface since hes still with rap a lot records, J Prince protects him from reprisals.

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#737657 - 08/30/13 10:20 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Trill Entertainment
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Trill ENT executives in hot water
May 15, 2009


Two of the managers of Trill Entertainment (also known as Trill ENT), a music label out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, are accused of using violent threats to “further their business interests”. Melvin Vernell, Jr. and Marcus Roach are being held without bond on charges of attempted murder and other related charges. Vernell is from Baton Rouge and Roach is from Prairieville and both are accused of witness intimidation related to the 2005 shooting of Baton Rouge area rapper Beelow. Beelow is the stage name of Bruce Moore who was shot twice in the face on July 4, 2005 outside of Shop Smart Music & Fashion, a retail outlet he owns on North Sherwood Forest Boulevard in Baton Rouge. The pair is being held without bond, pending the outcome of a bond hearing.

Agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Capital Area Gang Task Force have been involved with the investigation, as well as local authorities. New charges were filed by prosecutors against Vernell and Roach on May 8, 2009. Both were charged with one count each of attempted second degree murder, illegal use of weapons, aggravated battery, armed robbery, two counts of aggravated assault with a firearm, and three counts of possession of an illegal firearm by a convicted felon. They pleaded not guilty to those charges yesterday. Lewis Unglesby and James Manasseh, attorneys for Vernell and Roach respectively, are involved today in a bond hearing.

The coordinator of the FBI’s Capital Area Gang Task Force testified on Thursday that the pair have been involved in a pattern of witness intimidation, including attempts to pay off witnesses or offering them jobs in exchange for refusing to testify. Witnesses interviewed by the FBI also contend that Trill ENT was established for the purpose of laundering drug proceeds. None of this has been substantiated, but the issue was raised during the course of the investigation.

Beelow is popular for his local hit, “It’s Whateva”. Trill ENT is the home to national recording artists, Lil Boosie, Webbie, Foxx, Big Head, and several others. Lil Boosie recently had legal trouble of his own when his house party turned into a melee, after which he was arrested. Lil Boosie is the stage name of popular rapper Torrence Hatch.

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#737658 - 08/30/13 10:30 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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I sat next to Prince (2 down) ringside at a fight at Carson CA. His fighter Kermit Cintron was fighting on the undercard and got beat. Seemed like a nice guy.
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#737688 - 08/31/13 12:29 PM Re: rap labels [Re: vinnietoothpicks26]
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apart from the DEA probe that he got stopped, he was accused of having another record exec assaulted back in 2007 but the charges got dropped. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.51...er-bun-b-single

He seems like a powerful man with alot of connections.

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#737689 - 08/31/13 12:31 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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some more jimmy rosemond news.

LA attorney who helped drug dealers agrees to quit practicing law
Federal prosecutors in New York won’t indict legal eagle Roger Rosen on charges of obstructing justice. Authorities say when Rosen’s client started talking to law enforcement about a cocaine operation, he told drug dealers about it.

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BY JOHN MARZULLI / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

THURSDAY, AUGUST 1, 2013, 7:48 PM

Attorney Roger Rosen of Los Angeles has admitted he warned a drug ring leader and his cohorts about a client who informed feds about a cocaine opeartion. As part of a deferred indictment deal, he will never practice law again.
A Los Angeles lawyer known for his celebrity clientele has made a deal with feds to resign from practicing law, after authorities caught him leaking secret snitch information to members of a hip-hop impressario’s drug trafficking crew.

Brooklyn, N.Y., federal prosecutors agreed to defer indicting Roger Rosen for obstructing justice because he is seriously ill, according to documents filed Thursday in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York.

Rosen, whose past clients include actor Al Pacino and music legend Phil Spector, crossed the line with his representation of members of James “Jimmy Henchman” Rosemond’s cocaine trafficking operation from 2009 to 2010.

In December 2010, when Rosen's then-client Henry Butler started singing to the feds about the drug operation, Rosen sent notes from Butler's talks with prosecutors to Rosemond and his brother Mario Rosemond and crew member Darron Lamont Bennett.

Lawyer Roger Rosen, left, has had numerous celebrity clients, including music producer Phil Spector, right, who was found guilty of murdering actress Lana Clarkson.

“Members of the enterprise embarked on a campaign of threats, harassment and intimidation targeting the client, the client's family and [the client's] New York counsel," Assistant U.S. Attorney Una Dean stated in a letter to U.S. District Judge John Gleeson.

Butler and his wife, Leah Daniel — the sister of "Precious" film director Lee Daniels — were both charged in the enterprise. She was sentenced to probation for Ecstasy possession. Butler was sentenced to eight years for narcotics conspiracy.

Rosemond was convicted by a federal jury in June 2012 of drug trafficking and money laundering charges. He faces life in prison.

Rosen has admitted guilt and will never practice law again, according to Dean's letter to the judge. The disgraced lawyer must also forfeit $22,500 in legal fees.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...4#ixzz2dY7QWStw

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#737853 - 09/01/13 04:59 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Shake Down Entertainment, Ltd

These guys became infamous for using the flesh and blood defense usually used by sovereign citizens in court by refusing to acknowledge the states or judges jurisdiction. It worked as in it stalled the proceedings long enough that they didnt face the death penalty.
The prosecutors bolstered the conspiracy argument by noting that, unlike most Baltimore drug dealers, Mitchell and company had incorporated a legal entity for which they all worked and allegedly funneled proceeds of their drug business into: “Shake Down Entertainment, Ltd.” The group promoted rap CDs and concerts through the company, which even had its own record label, “Shystyville.

Four Drug Gang Members Convicted Of Racketeering Conspiracy Encompassing Five Murders And Drug Trafficking

Drug Operations Promoted Rap Music Business

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Baltimore, Maryland - Following a nine week trial, a federal jury today convicted four defendants of racketeering conspiracy under the RICO statute, encompassing five murders committed in 2002 in Baltimore and Randallstown, narcotics trafficking, and other offenses, announced United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein.

“Four more of Baltimore’s most violent criminals will be off the streets for a long time thanks to this case,” said U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein. “Racketeering prosecutions are time-consuming, but they are making a difference.”

According to evidence presented at trial, Willie Edward Mitchell, a/k/a Bo, age 31, of Baltimore, Maryland; Shelton Lee Harris, a/k/a Rock, Little Rock, Hard Rock, age 25, of Baltimore, Maryland; Shelly Wayne Martin a/k/a Wayne, Weaze, Weazy, age 32, of Randallstown, Maryland; and Shawn Earl Gardner, a/k/a Goo, age 31, of Baltimore, Maryland, were members of a violent criminal organization which operated in Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Pennsylvania and elsewhere. From 1996 to August 2006, the defendants conspired to commit murder, armed robbery and home-invasion robbery in furtherance of the racketeering enterprise.

Mitchell and Harris were convicted of the double homicide of Oliver McCaffity and Lisa Brown on the night of February 27-28, 2002 in the Finney Avenue area of Baltimore City and of the double homicide and armed robbery of Darryl Wyche and Anthony Wyche on the night of March 24-25, 2002 in the Wabash Avenue area of Baltimore City. In both of these double murders, the victims were shot to death while they sat in the front seat of automobiles. Shawn Gardner was convicted of the murder and armed robbery of Tanya Jones-Spence on June 7, 2002 in Randallstown.

Trial evidence showed that these crimes, as well as armed robberies and narcotics trafficking offenses involving crack cocaine, cocaine, marijuana and heroin, were carried out from 1994 to August 2006 in furtherance of the racketeering enterprise. Also part of the racketeering enterprise was a company called Shake Down Entertainment, Ltd., incorporated in December 2000 with Mitchell as its resident agent. Shake Down Entertainment produced and promoted rap music recordings. One of the purposes of the criminal enterprise was to promote rap music recordings and performances.

Another purpose of the criminal enterprise was to prevent and obstruct the arrest and prosecution of gang members through witness intimidation and disruption of court proceedings. Specifically, Harris wrote rap music lyrics which included threats to cooperating witnesses and discussed the facts of some of the murders. Harris also assaulted a person in jail whom he believed was a cooperating witness in the case.

All of the defendants face maximum sentences of life in prison for the racketeering charge and conspiracy to distribute narcotics. Defendants Mitchell, Harris and Gardner face mandatory life sentences for the murders. Harris also faces a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison for witness retaliation.

United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein praised the Baltimore City Police Department, the Baltimore County Police Department, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, U.S. Marshal’s Service, Maryland State Police and several Pennsylvania state law enforcement agencies for their investigative work. Mr. Rosenstein thanked Assistant United States Attorneys Robert R. Harding and Michael C. Hanlon, who are prosecuting the case.

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#739155 - 09/10/13 09:49 AM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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1st and 15th Entertainment

The Chicago based independent label was co-founded by Lupe Fiasco and Charles “Chilly” Patton around 2002. In 2003, Chilly was caught with six kilos of heroin. Authorities allege that Patton used profits from record deals to buy heroin and sell it throughout Chicago, but Fiasco was never implicated in the case.”

Rapper Lupe Fiasco’s associate Charles “Chilly” Patton with whom he owns the record label 1st & 15th was sentenced to 44 years on a drug charge by Judge Dennis Porter. Lupe Fiasco “Wasalu Muhammad Jaco” denies any involvement, although recorded conversations of Patton and Fiasco discussed splitting up “whole yellow” and “whole red ones.” The rapper stated that they were talking about the mixing and prepping of music tracks, while a witness testified that the colors referred to $10 packets of heroin.

The Chicago Tribune reports that investigators busted Charles “Chilly” Patton with 6 kilograms of heroin, with around $1 million in street value, that he kept in a storage locker. Patton was eventually sentenced in a Cook County courtroom last month by Judge Dennis Porter in which he received the charge for in 2003. Investigators claimed that Patton used profits from record deals to buy heroin and turn it around for street sales in Chicago.
Although prosecutors did not present evidence or a link between Patton’s drug dealing and the record label he owned with Lupe Fiasco, they believed that Patton had been dealing in the early 80′s, years before he met the rapper. Lupe Fiasco and Patton officially met in 2000.
“There is a large amount of money that he received from the sales of heroin,” said Assistant State’s Attorney Patrick Coughlin. “And he was able to start up a record company.”
Even though several industry people sent in letters on Patton’s behalf, the Judge went ahead and accepted the verdict. Lupe Fiasco on the other hand denied requests for comment, he instead expressed his reaction in a letter to the court.
“I love Charles . . . I am deeply saddened by his circumstances and will stand by him and his family no matter what occurs,” Fiasco wrote.

Lupe Fiasco Breaks Bad, Rapper Accused of Stashing Drug Money
by Jack de Aguilar | 03 September 2013
The rapper could be in trouble, big trouble


Basically, everyone’s been watching Breaking Bad. That’s what’s going on. TMZ report that Lupe Fiasco, the man behind this delightful tune, has been hiding money for a convicted drug kingpin, storing millions of dollars from the criminal’s wife.
This whole fiasco will see fiasco sued by the estranged wife, whose husband Charles Patton is serving 44 years in jail for his part in a wholesome heroin business. Looks like an old fashioned family enterprise simply can’t work in modern America.
She alleges that Lupe played a part in dispersing $9m between separate bank accounts in order to hide the money from her. The confusing thing, though, is that if Patton is a convicted drug felon, then all this money will surely be seized by either the police or the IRS? Perhaps we should all take a Breaking Bad sabbatical.
In 2007, Patton was charged with running a heroin empire in Chicago. A connection between Patton’s criminal activity and the record label was never found, but prosecutors desperately tried to find one. Lupe even testified at the trial and Patton was eventually convicted of possessing six kilos of heroin.
Lupe’s lawyer told TMZ that her claims will be proven untrue at trial. “There are no secret accounts and no illicit instructions,” said the attorney. Fiasco, whose real name is Wasalu Muhammad Jaco, broke onto the hip hop scene as a squeaky clean rapper with Daydreamin’.

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#739255 - 09/10/13 10:19 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Lupe Fiasco is my favorite mc and I knew about his business partner Chilly being incarcerated for drugs. But the 1st & 15th label is clean, no drug trafficking nor money laundry activities. Lupe the CEO and there only about a few artist on that label.
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#739266 - 09/10/13 11:39 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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don't be shocked if lupe gets indicted

they had him on wiretap discussing drugs with his guy

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#739273 - 09/11/13 01:02 AM Re: rap labels [Re: cookcounty]
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I want be shocked but upset if he was indicted. That case was 10 years ago and there's no evidence he was involved in the activity. We can't be sure what they were discussing.
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#739400 - 09/11/13 07:59 PM Re: rap labels [Re: BlackFamily]
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apart from that wiretap discussing red and yellow packs i dint think there was any other evidence of lupes involvement , also you got to keep in mind that this chilly guy was dealing during the 80s so he was doing this way before the music and lupe fiasco came into the picture.

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#739401 - 09/11/13 08:01 PM Re: rap labels [Re: cookcounty]
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don't be shocked if lupe gets indicted

they had him on wiretap discussing drugs with his guy


the drug case is old and done. this lawsuit is new though but i dont see how she can prove what is drug money after all this time, even if there ever was any.

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#739442 - 09/11/13 10:18 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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Matter of fact lupe wasn't born when he started his drug activity.
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#739458 - 09/11/13 11:11 PM Re: rap labels [Re: Scorsese]
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they had lupe on wiretap talking about "red ones" and "yellow ones"

that's probably why lupe was helping him launder money

for dude not telling on lupe

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#739508 - 09/12/13 12:26 PM Re: rap labels [Re: cookcounty]
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Pocketown records.

Drug kingpin Nate Hill was convicted by a federal jury of supplying more than 3 tons of cocaine to two of Chicago's largest street gangs, the Gangster Disciples and Vice Lords, for nearly a decade. between 1987 and June 1996, Hill's organization distributed well in excess of 3,000 kilograms of cocaine in the Chicago area.

Hill, 32, born and raised on the South Side, took the witness stand in his own defense, admitting he sold cocaine out of his garage in the mid- to late 1980s.

He contended he quit the business in mid-1990--which if true would have put his drug-dealing outside the statute of limitations and the reach of prosecutors.

In 1995 alone, he went on a more than $2 million buying spree, purchasing an eight-seat aircraft, a 73-foot yacht, a luxury speedboat and a house near Kankakee with an indoor pool and private lake, authorities said.

That same year, agents from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administrationand local police recovered more than $2.8 million in cash of Hill's concealed in the trunk of a car in a storage facility in Alsip.

Prosecutors also alleged that Hill bought a Chicago bus company, America Tour and Travel, with drug proceeds and laundered additional money there. He also used cocaine profits to found Pocketown, which produced records and managed musical talent, authorities said.

Hill also alleged he invested more than $700,000 in drug profits to finance a movie called "Reasons," which is believed to be loosely based on Hill's life story.

With his drug money, Hill moved into the recording business, founding New York-based Pocketown, named after his South Side neighborhood at 78th and Stony Island. Pocketown scored a top 10 music video with “Froggy Style” by Nuttin’ Nyce in 1995 and published “Wandering Eyes,” which was on the soundtrack of Whoopi Goldberg’s film “Sister Act 2.”

“Drug trafficking provided Hill with sizable profits which he used to purchase homes, cars, boats, and, eventually, a four-engine JetStar aircraft. Hill also sought legitimate business opportunities through which he could launder his drug proceeds. One of these businesses was Pocketown Records, a record producing and manufacturing business formed in 1993 by Nate Hill and Michael Jefferson.

At Hill’s direction, Rodney Ellis, a cousin to Hill, participated in the operation of Pocketown Records. Ellis managed Pocketown’s daily operations and financial activities. Pocketown’s expenses were paid primarily in cash. For example, no salary checks were issued; instead Hill handed out cash payments to Pocketown workers. On several occasions, Ellis transported large amounts of cash from Chicago to Pocketown, which was located in New York, and at other times, Ellis received deliveries of cash from other Hill employees. Ellis prepared false records for Pocketown in an attempt to justify the influx of cash to the business. Ellis also provided inaccurate information to the accountant who was preparing Pocketown’s 1993 tax returns. Ellis then signed the falsified return and filed it with the IRS. Ellis later became involved in another of Hill’s business ventures, the production of a motion picture entitled “Reasons” which was based on Hill’s life story. Ellis played a limited role in the “Reasons“ production, unsuccessfully attempting to persuade a recording company to produce the soundtrack for the film.”

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#739725 - 09/13/13 05:38 PM Re: rap labels [Re: cookcounty]
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The Feds would had lupe indicted long ago if the red/yellow ones was referencing drugs. I don't recall too many color codes for heroin and its hard to say lupe was involved in money laundering. Chilly probably was living a double life which lupe might not of known.
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#750095 - 11/24/13 08:45 PM Re: rap labels [Re: BlackFamily]
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Cash Money Records

How Did Birdman And Cash Money Records Become So Rich And Powerful?Random Celebrity ArticleBy Brian Warner on June 19, 2013

On a hot summer day in 1991, two brothers named Bryan and Ronald Williams launched a rap label called Cash Money Records. They hoped Cash Money would some day pull them out of one of New Orlean's most wretchedly poor housing projects. Neither of them had any experience running a record label, or even working in the music industry. They didn't own a recording studio and they didn't have any artists on their roster. But what they did have was a dream and the willingness to do whatever it took to be successful. The Williams brothers also may have had around $100 thousand dollars in cash at their disposal, that may have allegedly been provided by their drug kingpin half-brother Terrence. Allegedly. But that's besides the point. Fast forward 22 years and today Cash Money Records is one of the most successful and prolific record labels in the music industry. And its two founders Bryan "Birdman" Williams and older brother Ronald "Slim" Williams are two of the richest and most powerful people not just in hip-hop, but in all of entertainment. How did two guys from the projects, with nothing but a dream pull this off? Their story is pretty incredible…

Cash Money Records Is Born

When the Williams brothers founded Cash Money Records in 1991, the underground hip-hop scene in New Orleans was just starting to catch fire. A trend called "bounce music" was exploding all over Louisiana thanks to artists like DJ Irv and TT Tucker. The opportunity for a couple of ambitious entrepreneurs was ripe. To launch Cash Money Records (CMR), the Williams brothers first reached out to their father, who owned a popular local bar/nightclub. Unfortunately, a few thousand dollars from their dad didn't provide nearly enough for Cash Money to get off the ground. The real money that launched CMR came from their half brother Terrence Williams who was the founder of a notorious drug crew called the Hot Boys (not to be confused with the Cash Money rap group of the same name that came years later). Ronald and Bryan chose the name "Cash Money Records" as a reference to the recently released film "New Jack City", in which Wesley Snipes played a wealthy New York City gangster who runs a crew called the "Cash Money Brothers".

With their start up capital secured, the Williams brothers began signing local talent. Their first roster artist was a 16 year old kid named Kilo-G. Pretty soon they had around a dozen artists most notably Lil Slim, Mr. Ivan, PxMxWx and U.N.L.V. In those early days, the Williams brothers organized local shows then sold their artist's records right from the trunk of their car!

One of the most fundamental events in the history of CMR happened in 1993 when the label signed a talented DJ/producer named Mannie Fresh. Before Mannie Fresh came along, Cash Money's lyrics and sound were very raw and gangster rap influenced. On the other end of the spectrum, Manny Fresh had just spent more than a decade mixing and producing pop influenced house music beats for DJs in New York City. The combination of Manny's more consumer-friendly beats, with Cash Money's gangster image and lyrics, quickly came to be known as "Gansta Bounce". Gansta Bounce instantly struck a nerve with hip-hop fans throughout Louisiana.

Billion Dollar Brand

Cash Money Records is arguably the only major label in the world that has stayed relevant continuously for the last 20 years straight. There have been a few minor weak periods, but overall CMR has been able to sell millions of records every year since the launch of their incredible deal with Universal. Recently, Cash Money has even begun to aggressively diversify its artist roster in to non-rap areas of music. They won a bidding war to represent Canadian super star Drake, they signed Kevid Rudolph, Nicki Minaj, Busta Rhymes, Limp Bizkit, Jay Sean and even Paris Hilton. Birdman has stated publicly that Cash Money's ultimate goal is to release 100 albums a year from artists in every single genre of music. Even more amazingly, Birdman believes Cash Money Records is on pace to become the first billion dollar music brand of all time, within the next five years. In total, artists from Cash Money Records have sold over 150 million albums worldwide to date.

Thanks to the phenomenal success of Cash Money Records, today Birdman is sitting on an extremely impressive $170 million net worth. He drives a $5 million Bugatti and is rarely seen without wearing at least $10 million worth of jewelry. He lives in a stunning $14.5 million mansion on Miami's exclusive Star Island. As for Ronald "Slim" Williams, he recently spent $7.5 million purchase the largest house in South Florida. And the best part? He paid cash. As we all know, Lil Wayne is one of the most successful and active artists in the world today. Wayne's net worth recently topped $130 million.

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