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Mafia psychopaths #600846
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In addition to the latest topics like smartest mobster, dumbest, etc. I would like to add a new one: Mafia psychopaths.

With psychopath I don't mean "he killed someone so yeah he's a psychopath"...

What I mean is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

People kill eachother all the time, but only a small percentage would really classify as a true psychopath.

The most visible symptons are the inability to feel shame or guilt, poor social skills, but especially for psychopaths in the mafia the most common one is they usually have the habit of fucking things up very badly...

Here's a list of mobsters I'm pretty sure they could indeed be classified as psychopaths:

Albert Anastasia
Carmine Galante (was apparantly diagnosed as a psychopath)
"Mad" Sam DeStefano
Anthony Spilotro
Tommy DeSimone

Possible psychopaths:

Roy DeMeo
Jimmy Burke
Nicky Scarfo
Sammy Gravano
Anthony Casso
Vito Genovese
Toto Riina

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Add Tommy Pitera to that list

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I am surprised no one from the Demeo crew is on that list.

In Murder Machine, I think it is believed and quoted that the FBI believed that 3 to 4 of them would qualify as serial murders.


Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Originally Posted By: TonyG
I am surprised no one from the Demeo crew is on that list.

In Murder Machine, I think it is believed and quoted that the FBI believed that 3 to 4 of them would qualify as serial murders.


I totally forgot Roy DeMeo, I will add him to the list of possible psychopaths. wink


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Mafia associates Lepke Buchalter, Abe Reles and the rest of Murder Inc.

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Joel Cacace. Murdering your own hitmen as precaution, in the vein of Jimmy Burke. Who should also be added to the list. Gerry Pappa seems to have been born a regular guy, who went crazy after the death of Jimmy Emma. I would assume William Daddano Sr. as well.

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Originally Posted By: GaryH
Add Tommy Pitera to that list


Really? He was such a sweetheart.


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Originally Posted By: BarrettM
Joel Cacace. Murdering your own hitmen as precaution, in the vein of Jimmy Burke. Who should also be added to the list. Gerry Pappa seems to have been born a regular guy, who went crazy after the death of Jimmy Emma. I would assume William Daddano Sr. as well.


You're right about Burke, that's another presumed psychopath. Added. wink


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Frank Calbrese, Sr fits the bill.

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I think a lot of these guys weren't hugged enough as children. Probably didn't get enough titty milk either.


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how could u add roy to a possiable pshycopath list? he was a true pschyco


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I'm not sure about him really being a psychopath. He killed a lot of people, but that doesn't necessarily have to make you a psychopath. Most of the murders he commited were ordered I believe.

Another example is Toto Riina. He probably ordered more murders than anyone else in the history of the mafia. But this guy was a master in shaping alliances with others which suggest he knew how to deal with people, something most psychopaths have trouble with.

It's likely these guys were psychopaths, but I'm not convinced.


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Eh. When DeMeo ordered a hit, he really meant "back me up when I kill him". Riina is a sociopath if you ask me. Complete disregard for the lives of others, cares more about getting ahead than avenging minor insults. Reason I suggested William Daddano Sr is only because he's constantly likened to a made Mad Sam, even if there isn't much information on his personalit. Still, it's a suggestion I'm not even sure about.

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I'm not sure about him really being a psychopath. He killed a lot of people, but that doesn't necessarily have to make you a psychopath. Most of the murders he commited were ordered I believe.

Another example is Toto Riina. He probably ordered more murders than anyone else in the history of the mafia. But this guy was a master in shaping alliances with others which suggest he knew how to deal with people, something most psychopaths have trouble with.

It's likely these guys were psychopaths, but I'm not convinced.
alot of his hits were unsanctioned. including women, innocent vaccum salesman, people that punched him in the eye, other made men.....perhaps you and i have a dif idea of pshyco paths.


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[b]Albert Anastasia
Carmine Galante (was apparantly diagnosed as a psychopath)
"Mad" Sam DeStefano
Anthony Spilotro
Tommy DeSimone

how ever i agree 100% that all these men on this list were true blues.


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Originally Posted By: BarrettM
Eh. When DeMeo ordered a hit, he really meant "back me up when I kill him".


It's debatable how much murders he and his crew commited. Some sources estimated the number to reach 200, but only about 40 or so are documented. And I believe most of those murders were ordered by others.

But again, a killer isn't necessarily a psychopath and a psychopath isn't necessarily a killer.

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Riina is a sociopath if you ask me.


That's exactly the same thing. The definition of a psychopath is that it's genetical and you're born as one. A man like Toto Riina grew up in very difficult circumstances and became involved in the mafia at a very early age. So growing up while witnessing cruel things like murder, torture, etc can do crazy things to you're mind. Eventually, you can get used to such an environment. So that's why I'm not convinced that he really is a psychopath. But like I said, it's likely.


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Originally Posted By: phatmatress
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
I'm not sure about him really being a psychopath. He killed a lot of people, but that doesn't necessarily have to make you a psychopath. Most of the murders he commited were ordered I believe.

Another example is Toto Riina. He probably ordered more murders than anyone else in the history of the mafia. But this guy was a master in shaping alliances with others which suggest he knew how to deal with people, something most psychopaths have trouble with.

It's likely these guys were psychopaths, but I'm not convinced.
alot of his hits were unsanctioned. including women, innocent vaccum salesman, people that punched him in the eye, other made men.....perhaps you and i have a dif idea of pshyco paths.


Many wiseguys have very big ego's. So I think killing someone who punched you in the eye isn't that unusual in the mafia. wink

But I agree on the other things. I don't know that much about Roy DeMeo (haven't read murder machine) so that's why I can't be sure yet.


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i understand. i def respect your decision to state your opinion. i would highly suggest reading murder machine tho. imo one of the best.


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i understand. i def respect your decision to state your opinion. i would highly suggest reading murder machine tho. imo one of the best.


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I highly recommend Murder Machine. Great book.


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Another possible psychopath: Joe Massino.

You really need the disability to feel no shame or guilt to rat on everyone you know.. And didn't he order the murder of Gerlando Sciascia because Massino thought he was questioning his authority?


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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Another possible psychopath: Joe Massino.

You really need the disability to feel no shame or guilt to rat on everyone you know.. And didn't he order the murder of Gerlando Sciascia because Massino thought he was questioning his authority?


Well according to Massino, Sciascia was murdered for murdering somebody himself. He is said to have questioned Massino's leadership abilities and supposedly bitched about TG's cocaine problem as well. I'm guessing all of it played a factor in his murder.

But I have to agree with you about the rat thing. There has to be something really fucked up with your mind if you're willing to rat on the people you grew up with.


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Pino Greco and Filippo Marchese who ran the “room of death” in Palermo. Marchese snorted cocaine while watching his victims being tortured and Greco cut of the arm of a 15-year-old boy before killing him so he “couldn’t use this arm to avenge his father murdered on Totò Riina’s orders”.


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Originally Posted By: GaryH
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Ok in that case, I'm gonna mention Randy Pizzolo, who shamelessly ripped off his own mother.


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Tony Mirra
Tommy Pitera
Roy Demeo
Tommy Desimone

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I thought I was stating ones that have not been mentioned but I was wrong, the obvious ones are:

Gaspipe
Tony Spilatro
Mad Sam
Jimmy Burke
Carmine galante

Its funny, I sit here and try to think of someone from the Genovese family and I cannot. Probably why they remain a power, no maniacs that draw heat.


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Originally Posted By: jvanley
Its funny, I sit here and try to think of someone from the Genovese family and I cannot. Probably why they remain a power, no maniacs that draw heat.


The closest one would be Vito Genovese. Didn't he kill a man so he could get his wife?


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