"Culture War" is one of the biggest oxymorons out there.
One thing the American electorate has lost,or are losing, over the past few years, is the value of leadership in electing officials. Terms like "conservative," "liberal," "right or left wing," "elitist," "evangelical," "theocracy," "Legislating morality," "war on religion, "etc. get constantly flung at each other from both sides in the disengenuous attempt to discredit and distort political opponents, that the terms lose meaning.
The most fundamental question to ask about the presidential candidate isn't what is his/her position is on a certain issue, but rather can he/she effectively lead the nation. If I were a registered Republican, even though my political beliefs are more closely in line with Romney than the rest of the field, I would not be able to vote for him because I don't see any leadership qualities in him. He 's repeatedly put his foot in his mouth and has subsequently had to explain what he meant. He is playing a role more than he is campaigning for office, and I believe this may be part of the reason he can't break away from a less than impressive field. He's undoubtedly a bright guy and a successful businessman, but he has shown me that he would not be an effective leader.
I agree TB. I've posted before (it's almost a lament) that presidential candidates betray their naivete about being President when they overuse the word I. It's laughable that Romney states that upon assuming the presidency, he will veto the health care reform law. I think he believes he can actually do that. None of them acknowledges the limitations of the presidency and how difficult it can be to work with Congress and a pluralist national constituency.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
Re: Election 2012
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"Culture War" is one of the biggest oxymorons out there.
One thing the American electorate has lost,or are losing, over the past few years, is the value of leadership in electing officials. Terms like "conservative," "liberal," "right or left wing," "elitist," "evangelical," "theocracy," "Legislating morality," "war on religion, "etc. get constantly flung at each other from both sides in the disengenuous attempt to discredit and distort political opponents, that the terms lose meaning.
The most fundamental question to ask about the presidential candidate isn't what is his/her position is on a certain issue, but rather can he/she effectively lead the nation. If I were a registered Republican, even though my political beliefs are more closely in line with Romney than the rest of the field, I would not be able to vote for him because I don't see any leadership qualities in him. He 's repeatedly put his foot in his mouth and has subsequently had to explain what he meant. He is playing a role more than he is campaigning for office, and I believe this may be part of the reason he can't break away from a less than impressive field. He's undoubtedly a bright guy and a successful businessman, but he has shown me that he would not be an effective leader.
Huh? There are certainly things that Romney lacks but, given his track record as a businessman, the Olympics, etc., I don't leadership is one of them. Some misstatements during a campaign notwithstanding.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
I don't think this was posted on Board. Were any of you aware of Cal Thomas televised comment about Rachel Maddow back in February at the CPAC in a pulic forum. I had forgotten about it. He stated that Maddow was a good reason for her parents to have practiced contraception. To her credit, Gret VonSusteran jumped on him real good and called on him to apologize to Maddow which he did and Maddow accepted the apology.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
Yeah, I remember it, Oli. I don't particularly care for Maddow. She's too extreme for me. But Thomas's remarks were way out of line.
What about this remark:
(CNN) – President Barack Obama's reelection organization said Tuesday it was "inappropriate" for Robert De Niro to joke at a campaign fundraiser in New York Monday that America wasn't "ready for a white first lady."
"We believe the joke was inappropriate," Olivia Alair, Campaign Press Secretary to the First Lady, said in a statement.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
Obama caught shit for Reverend Wright. So what's good for the goose . . . .
Santorum under microscope after attending church service where pastor tells non-Chistians to ‘get out’
During his sermon, Rev. Dennis Terry called on his congregants to "stand up" against liberals, homosexuals and women who have abortions
By Aliyah Shahid / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
It looks like Rick Santorum may have a “Jeremiah Wright” of his own.
The Republican presidential candidate is coming under the microscope after he attended a Louisiana church service this week where the pastor suggested non-Christians should "get out" of America.
The Rev. Dennis Terry of the Greenwell Springs Baptist Church gave the fiery speech on Sunday; it has since gone viral. In it Terry is seen introducing Santorum to the congregation, saying, "I know Rick really well, and he is the real deal."
During his sermon, Terry called on his congregants to "stand up" against liberals, homosexuals and women who have abortions.
"Listen to me. If you don't love America, and you don't like the way we do things, I've got one thing to say, get out!" he said. "We don't worship Buddha, we don't worship Mohammed, we don't worship Allah. We worship God. We worship God's son Jesus Christ."
The 1,400-person crowd broke into thunderous applause as Terry continued, "As long as they continue to kill little babies in our mother's womb, somebody's got to take a stand and say it's not right. God be merciful to us as a nation. As long as sexual perversion is becoming normalized, somebody needs to stand up and say God forgive us, God have mercy upon us."
Santorum — who is trying to woo Christian conservatives like himself — was seen clapping throughout the speech, according to The Associated Press.
On Monday the former Pennsylvania senator was pressed by reporters about Terry's comments in Illinois, where he's campaigning for Tuesday's primary.
Santorum said he did not share all of the pastor's views.
"I believe in freedom of religion and all religions are welcome and should be. I think I've made that pretty clear throughout my campaign," he said.
Santorum also insisted he didn't clap when Terry said non-Christians should get out of the country.
"I do remember him saying that and I wasn't quite sure if he was saying it for himself," Santorum said. “I wasn't quite listening to everything to be quite honest with you. But I wasn't quite sure if he was speaking for himself or speaking quite generally, but I didn't clap when he said it because that's not how I think.”
Since the speech surfaced, some have compared Terry to Jermiah Wright, President Obama's controversial ex-pastor who threw the Commander-in-Chief's campaign into turmoil in 2008 when a video surfaced of Wright ripping American policies.
Pizzaboy - Not surprised one bit, considering his ulra-Catholicism appeals to those Evangelicals and not his own fellow parishioners, as voting % from the primaries have revealed so far.
In short if he actually thought he was running for Pope and not President...he's not winning that race either.
The irony about the bumper sticker-like photos above is, all the libs who are complaining about Romney's wealth, probably had no problem voting for Kerry when he was running. And it's not like Obama is pinching pennies himself. So let's not pretend it's so much of a money issue. Because politicians on both sides are often quiet wealthy. But some people are fall for the lie that Democrats really care about helping the poor any more than Republicans do.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
Ivy, I agree with you on this issue. I think the difference is that Romney seems to be completely out of touch with what the average person deals with on a daily basis. The last two Democrats elected President have been self-made men, so they're able to communicate that sense better than the recent crop of Republicans, with the exception of Sarah Palin.
Ivy, I agree with you on this issue. I think the difference is that Romney seems to be completely out of touch with what the average person deals with on a daily basis. The last two Democrats elected President have been self-made men, so they're able to communicate that sense better than the recent crop of Republicans, with the exception of Sarah Palin.
Completely agree with your statement.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
If you want a geist of Mittnes' problems, consider his spokesman the other day who said basically the campaign is like an Etch A Sketch, and it's time to shake it up and start over for the fall!
Thing is, he's basically right from where he's coming from. But unfortunately his boss is got a reputation earned for being a political Etch A Sketch.
Dapper, you really buy into this partisan (in your case, Democrat) crap too much. Live another 10 or 15 years and you'll see that both sides are full of it.
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Dapper, you really buy into this partisan (in your case, Democrat) crap too much. Live another 10 or 15 years and you'll see that both sides are full of it.
At present, the Republicans are a LOT more full of it.
I think that many of these political oriented posts fail to acknowledge that America is a pluralist society the components of which compete with each other for federal, state, and local policies, laws, and funding. It is quite a challenge for any officeholder to discern the components, how representative they are of the community, and to decide on the best course of action or compromise among them.
I have posted so many times before that, on the national level, it is the Congress where governmental power, for the most part, resides. Partisan developee early in this Nation's history and for good or ill, it's been a part of America's political landscape ever since. It will always be despite any outcries for bi-partisanship. Partisanship is based on several factors not the least of which is ideology. Thus, bi-partisanship is far and in between. The competition of ideas is what generates the best attempted solutions.
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
Dapper - I might agree with some of your GIFs, but jesus do you mind not shitting all over threads with all of them at once? They slow my browser down to a bitch. Just take the best one and post it. It's what I try to do with the articles/headlines/whatever that I find online.
Like this article, which...No. No no no. NO! Oh please no! Please tell me he's joking.
Biden '16?
Quote:
Vice President Joe Biden "has quietly assembled an A-team of advisers who would, without doubt, be considered the nucleus of a presidential campaign -- if only he wouldn't be 73 in 2016," Politico reports.
"Biden's age would snuff the last embers of a presidential ambition that led him to a pair of crushing defeats in 1988 and 2008, or so many in Barack Obama's camp thought when they first tapped him. But the old fire crackles yet. And Biden, spurred in part by those rumors about being replaced on the ticket by Hillary Clinton (who turns 69 in '16), is campaigning with a young man's tenacity in 2012 -- with an eye toward keeping all of his options open."
Dapper, you really buy into this partisan (in your case, Democrat) crap too much. Live another 10 or 15 years and you'll see that both sides are full of it.
As SC said the GOP is more full of it currently, I vote on the issues and what I think are the right policies (it just so happens to be Liberal most of the time). But I have voted Republican a few times in my short-voting life.
Tommy Shots: They want me running the family, don't they know I have a young wife? Sal Vitale: (laughs) Tommy, jump in, the water's fine.
Dapper - I might agree with some of your GIFs, but jesus do you mind not shitting all over threads with all of them at once? They slow my browser down to a bitch. Just take the best one and post it. It's what I try to do with the articles/headlines/whatever that I find online.
Like this article, which...No. No no no. NO! Oh please no! Please tell me he's joking.
Biden '16?
Quote:
Vice President Joe Biden "has quietly assembled an A-team of advisers who would, without doubt, be considered the nucleus of a presidential campaign -- if only he wouldn't be 73 in 2016," Politico reports.
"Biden's age would snuff the last embers of a presidential ambition that led him to a pair of crushing defeats in 1988 and 2008, or so many in Barack Obama's camp thought when they first tapped him. But the old fire crackles yet. And Biden, spurred in part by those rumors about being replaced on the ticket by Hillary Clinton (who turns 69 in '16), is campaigning with a young man's tenacity in 2012 -- with an eye toward keeping all of his options open."
Hillary '16 makes perfect sense. Say she stays out of sight in '13, but returns to campaign hard for the '14 mid-terms (think Nixon '66) and then make a national run in '16.
Of course, as much as we mock Makes-People-Sleepy Biden, he'll still be the incumbent Vice-President if he did run in '16. That will come with institutional perks that Hillary won't enjoy.
That said, Biden is a dwarf of a candidate compared to Hillary. But what about the fresh new blood that would campaign, like Andrew Cuomo? He won't be ancient like those two will be.
Fun Fact: Arkansas juts named an airport after Bill & Hillary Clinton. First commercial airport in America to be named after a woman.
(Rumors though claim the original name was Hillary & Bill Clinton Airport. Until they realized that if you shorted the names down..."Hill-Billy.")
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