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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: IvyLeague] #587225
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The Genovese are certainly the most powerful Mafia Family in both New York and the U.S. And I think one could make the argument that, in a number of ways, the Mafia is still the strongest organized crime group in the Tri-State area.

Unlike Philadelphia, there are still things that differentiate the Genovese Family from other OC groups. The Genovese are considered to be the most diversified "business crime group" in the nation. They are said to control the largest bookmaking and loansharking operations in the New York/New Jersey area. They are involved in drug trafficking though not as deeply as other New York Families. Over the past 15 years or so they were among the fastest to form alliances with other OC groups and move into newer rackets like stock fraud.

But what really has set them apart is their ability to maintain varying degrees of influence over labor unions and in legitimate industries despite repeated attacks from law enforcement, industry regulation, union reform, etc. That's really what set the Mafia apart in the past from other OC groups. And the Genovese Family has been the most successful in holding onto that as much as possible. Though to a smaller degree than the past, they are still are involved in the waterfront, construction, trucking, and waste hauling industries and have been involved in several cases over the past decade with the ILA, Teamsters, Laborers, and other unions.


So they are actually the only original mafia family left in the U.S. who remain intriguing as the rest are shades of their former selves.

Based on you're information, I would say that the Philadephia family is now the new Mickey Mouse mafia.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Sonny_Black] #587227
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They all are the original mafia, but less manpower and less influence. But that doesnt mean its over, we always compare todays mafia with the mafia back in the golden age. Crime will always exist, and crime will always pay for ambitious young criminals. And with the status you get being made and associated with an Italian LCN family, it will never end. Personaly, i to would like to join the Genoveses instead the other 4 families.

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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Sonny_Black] #587251
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
So they are actually the only original mafia family left in the U.S. who remain intriguing as the rest are shades of their former selves.


The Gambinos are a strong #2 behind the Genovese. People have long underestimated them because of the hits they took during and after Gotti. The Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos are certainly not what the Genovese and Gambinos are, but they are considerably more "big time" than Families outside New York. It's also a different dynamic there because you've got five Families, as opposed to only one like elsewhere, and they often work together in joint operations. There is certainly a noticeable drop off when looking at the remaining Families elsewhere in the country.

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Based on you're information, I would say that the Philadephia family is now the new Mickey Mouse mafia.


Author George Anastasia has called the Philadelphia Family the "Simpsons" of the American mob, due to their disfunction. The LA mob was referred to as the "Mickey Mouse Mafia" back in the day because they were always small potatoes compared to larger and more powerful Families in the northeast and midwest.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587300
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Ivy's charts are right on.....


Mukremin,

1. KC Chart

Take off associates next to where you put soldiers.

2. Gambino Chart

- Put /80 next to soldier Alfred "Freddy Hotdog" DeCongilio's name.


- Put Carmine Carini as a soldier. Just found out he's a new member as far as what Mafia Today says. I'll send you his picture.

Great Job!!!

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: NJBoy55] #587310
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Thanks for the feedback, i have recieved the email with picture. Unfortunatly i will have to wait before i bring out an update, its a lot of work to edit and upload and edit the posts. It will come with the january update, so if any guys have more things to add feel free to post or pm me.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587322
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What happened to the Kansas City LCN link? I clicked on it and the download is unavailable.

Wait...got it. Didn't know you were editing off the original post. Again, great job. When can we expect Buffalo? Just wondering.

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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Paddy] #587329
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I will delete the links in the seperate posts, so everything should be downloadable on the first page.

As for Buffalo, i am trying to find info and pictures so i can finish it. But heres so far:
Buffalo The Arm Cosa Nostra Family PDF:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/39cc1408/Buffalo Cosa Nostra Family.pdf

Last edited by Mukremin; 12/05/10 08:59 AM.

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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587458
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Fellas, any feedback on the Buffalo family? Something i missed? Just ask, and what other charts would you guys want to see?


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587601
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I don't know much about Buffalo, but I believe they are still one of the active families according to the FBI, but they are almost dead. You are doing a great job, but don't forget....

1. KC Chart

Take off associates next to where you put soldiers.

2. Gambino Chart

- Put /80 next to soldier Alfred "Freddy Hotdog" DeCongilio's name.


- Put Carmine Carini as a soldier. Just found out he's a new member as far as what Mafia Today says. I'll send you his picture.

Wonderful Job!!!

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: NJBoy55] #587609
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I have edited the charts, but i am waiting to upload it. I will release the updated versions soon.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587613
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Great work with the charts Mukremin!

I know Geograpically there wasn't really any boundary lines as such for the New York five families but i'm sure they had greater influences in the many different areas. I was wondering if there was such a map to show where each of the different families had the most ongoing activity. Either that or maybe one of the entire USA showing how far and wide the many different Mobs from New York, Chicago etc were actually active and showing where they had operations underway?


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: English] #587615
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Thanks English, doing my best smile

And thats a good one, i was wondering the same when i first joined the forums. I am doing a Apalachin meeting chart now, and in the meantime i am going to release a US map, marked with all the 26 families. First i need a blank US map with states drawn.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587617
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Perhaps a map like the one in the below link and then possibly colour coding the various different Mob families and dotting the areas where they had illegal activities.

http://www.newyorkstatesearch.com/United_States_Maps/United_States_Map/United_States_map.jpg


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: English] #587620
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Yeah exactly! only thing is it has to be of big resolution. Ill look into it, thanks English. By the way, welcome to the forums


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587626
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No problems. Thanks


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: English] #587707
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Hello there! I managed to do some little work on a national American Cosa Nostra Map, enjoy. Its not perfect, maybe will need some tweaking here and there but its a start.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mukremin/AmericanCosaNostraFamilyMap.jpg


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587837
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Heres the Apalachin chart, enjoy smile
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/ac1431328/Apalachin Mafia Summit chart.pdf


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587887
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A little surprise here, 1931 The Commission chart, enjoy:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/0ae8d803/1931 The Commission.pdf


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #587981
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As I have stated before- Great work and Thanks! It is really cool to visualize the information in a chart. On the Commission chart, does anyone know who represented Detroit ( I beleive at one time Joe Uno had a seat at the Table), St. Louis and Kansas City were probably represented by ChiTown. Just a guess. Thanks again Mukremin, please keep them coming.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: SilentPartnerz] #588059
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Thanks again for the compliments, Detroit had a seat on the Commission for a short period of time. I think it was after Stefano Maggadino lost his seat, he was replaced by the boss of Detroit at that time. I could be mistaken.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #588102
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did raymond patriarca sr.ever have a seat on the commission ??

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: thebarber] #588132
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Here's a basic Commission time line -


In 1931, after the murders of Masseria and Maranzano, the original Commission is established with 7 members: the five New York families, Chicago, and Buffalo. Most eastern families without a seat were represented by the Genovese family. Most western families were represented by Chicago. The Commission would have national influence for about the next 50 years.

In 1961 2 additional members were added to the Commission, the Detroit and Philadelphia families.

In the 1960's the Chicago Outfit starts to miss more Commission meetings, which eventually resulted in a two-headed Commission with Chicago resolving family disputes west of them. Remaining common interests between New York and Chicago dealt with four major international unions and open territories.

In 1974 the Buffalo family loses it's seat on the Commission with the death of boss Stefano Magaddino.

In 1977 the Detroit family loses it's Commission seat when boss Joseph Zerilli dies.

In 1980 Philadelphia loses it's Commission seat when boss Angelo Bruno is killed.

In the 1980's the New York and Chicago lost more contact due to prosecutions that brought new leaders that were unacqauinted with each other, as well as the weakening of New York and Chicago control of the four international union through prosecutions and internal reform. The Commission essentially becomes a New York enterprise.

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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #588334
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Regarding Boston, the Globe indicated recently that Michael Prochilo Jr. was a made guy. He was arrested recently on drug related charges in the Rossetti indictment.

Also, Biagio DiGiacomo has a restaraunt in Waltham, MA with his sons (called Biagio's of course!). He seated us when we were in there last year. Very good place. I think he is on the shelf by choice. I read an article several years ago now after he got out of the can. His main quote was 'that was my life then, this is my life now' (referring to the restaraunt business). I think I recall he even had to ask a couple of 'old friends' to vacate the restaraunt due to his probation.

Vinny Ferrara is out and on probation. I believe he has a social club in the North End (under his wife's name). He popped up on the radar last year when he apparently placed a call to one of his old friends looking for a loan or something of that sort. It resulted in his probation being extended.

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: mike68] #588340
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Mike thanks for the input I am from boston and we don't get much info on the wiseguys untill they get in trouble and even then we usually don't hear to much about there cases after the initial rush of articles in the days that follow there arrests

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: thebarber] #588524
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in the new england family a boston capo named rossetti has recently been indicted on alot of diffent charges and did not make bail. Does any1 know who may step up and take control of his crew and area??

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: thebarber] #588538
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Well i didnt get any information who will step in as acting capo, maybe someone has some sources to share. So i can update the charts in januari.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #588617
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mukremin here is a little update to the boston faction soldiers, Michael prochollo jr is a confirmed made man as is his father michael prochillo sr age 61 and anthony carlo jr age 42.

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thanks barber, i will release the updated charts end of december or start of januari. Keep coming with updates, and of course requests for new charts.


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Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: Mukremin] #588871
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Hey Barber, have you heard anything about Gene Giangrande? He was Billy Angelesco's right hand man and I think he is still in prison with him after their rackateering arrests a couple of years ago. I think he is a suspect in the Patsy Squillante hit in Malden a few years ago.

Also, has the list of OC figures that Peter Limone has to stay away from as part of his probation been posted here? That would provide a pretty good overview of who the authorities consider to be OC in New England.

Re: New Mafia family charts [Re: mike68] #589018
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mike i have heard of giagrande and i would assume he is still locked up. I AM from boston and i heard he got 5 yrs but that has never been confirmed in any media releases. He was sentenced in 2008 so he shud b out in the next 18 -24 months i would guess.

The peter limone chart is out and is a good reference of a who is who around boston.

My ? is who will step up and take over mark rossetti crew. East boston has always been a mob area with a large italian population so i would assume there is many soldiers who would like to run the rackets in this area

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