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#569631 - 03/14/10 07:42 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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Originally Posted By: Lucasi
If u think Detroit has only 30 "made" Members than u aint from the D or ever lived there because its guaranteed we have at least that many "Soldiers".


Don't start playing the geography card. Just because you live in Detroit doesn't give you some sort of inherent knowledge on the mob there. And what's this "we" stuff?

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U dont need 5-10 Capos if u dont have Soldiers for them to control?


Detroit doesn't have anywhere near 10 captains. Scott will often list around 5 or so but that doesn't mean they are all active at the present time.

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I Would like to see any list showing "Dominic Bommarito" in The Combination Hierarchy or "Mirable" because i havent,heard,seen, read anything stating that till seeing your post.


That information doesn't come from me but from the very guy who's book you keep referring to. He posts pretty reguarly on the Real Deal forum.


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Jerry Capeci ranges the Luchese family between 110-175 members and i know Detroit isnt much smaller with all its "Soldiers" My estimate:75-100 in the D.Plus Detroit has a better Economy again than its had in the past with all the new business,construction,casinos,etc.also we have members in Ohio,Canada,etc.


Capeci does not put the Luccheses at 110-175. In 2005 he had them at 120-130 members. But that was probably a little inflated.

As for Detroit, it does no good to just make up your own estimates because they are meaningless. No family outside of New York has 100 members. Not even Chicago, much less Detroit.
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#569657 - 03/14/10 05:21 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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Good post, Ivy. Well researched and articulated, as usual. I'll just add the why, where the decline of the Detroit Mafia is concerned.

My two cents: When you combine the General Attrition of Italian-Americans in the Detroit area, with the tremendous African-American population there; toss in the very prominent gang presence in the area, and you'll see that it's now impossible for a traditional Italian-American Mafia Family to survive there, let alone thrive.

Are there a few old timers left? Sure, you'll have that until they finally all die off. Are there a few delinquent kids, born in the '80s, who are too dumb to realize that the thing was almost over before they were born? Yeah, you have that too. Criminal minded guys like that are always gonna be pissed off about "missing the boat."

But if you'll open your eyes, you'll realize that it's not just Detroit. Hell, even the New York families, while clearly still the most powerful in the nation, are shadows of their former selves (save for the Genovese crew, those are some cagey old timers).
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#569674 - 03/14/10 07:24 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: pizzaboy]
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Also wrt Detroit proper, not only have demographics changed in the city but the businesses or activities which used to be the bread and butter of the Mafia have changed or shrunk.

1) Gambling is run by the State and that is where I think most people in SE Michigan spend their gambling money. I think the various lotteries have taken the place of numbers and to a lesser extent bookmaking.

2) The Unions have shrunk dramatically since their heyday. I think only something like 7-10% of private sector workers are unionized now. This is likely a bit higher in SE Michigan because of the auto industry but even there so much has been moved to China or Mexico or elsewhere that even if there were a vibrant local Mafia they wouldn't have the opportunity to exploit unions like they used to do. Michigan's economy is not doing well enough for a group (besides the government) to extort from it.

3) Narcotics has changed. There are various black, hispanic, white or Middle Eastern gangs or organizations that ultimately get most of their product from Mexican organizations. Every now and then you hear about a local alleged Italian-American associate getting charged or busted around this crime but it's really like finding a chicken with teeth. Rare.

4) Loan sharking has been taken over by payday loan, pawnshop and rent-to-own centers, which are ubiquitous in the poorer areas of SE Michigan, regardless of racial demographic.

One of the themes in Puzo's Mafia books was various Dons seeking to legitimize their children or grandchildren. To an extent I really think this took place in SE Michigan. There are certain businesses such as restaurants, realty companies, food supply, waste disposal or towing that have some interesting antecedents if you dig into them but for the most part they don't appear to have the ongoing Mafia connections that are still not uncommon on the East Coast.

The only traditional business where you still see some local Mafia activity is trucking/waste hauling. That's centered in Warren, a Detroit suburb, which has an not undeserved reputation for being rather unfriendly to outsiders, particularly Detroiters.

I would be quite interested in any source that spoke to major current Detroit area traditional Mafia activity. When Isiah Thomas came under scrutiny (in the 90's???) for his alleged involvement with gambling games run by OC figures the people involved were of Middle Eastern descent not Italian, although I seem to remember there might have been an unsuccessful (?) shakedown attempt by a Italian group.

It was a long time ago so I can't remember and as Bonanno would say "I was out of town when that happened".. rolleyes
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#569712 - 03/15/10 04:04 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lilo]
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In response to the two posts above, techincally speaking the Detroit mob is still there but it does not have the size or presence some claim it does. As I pointed out, 15 years ago the FBI had the family at 30 made members. That's when family boss Jack Tocco and several other top guys in the family were indicted. Since then there have been two mob-related cases. One in 2006 that involved 15 members and associates and centered mainly around gambling and loansharking. And another last year that involved 2 associates and a point shaving scheme.

In terms of the modern day Detroit mob, there are probably less than 30 members now, not including associates. It is said to still control the bookmaking in the region (either directly or indirectly through taxing unaffliated bookies) and gets a share of loansharking and high stakes card games in the city. And there are still some interests in legitimate businesses. But that's pretty much it. There isn't really any significant involvement in narcotics or labor racketeering at this point. It's a relatively small family at this point and is rather tight-knit, with many members being related by blood.

I should also point out that the Middle Eastern bookies in the city, mostly Chaldeans, work with or for the Italian mob and have done so for a very long time.


Edited by IvyLeague (03/15/10 04:08 AM)
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#569715 - 03/15/10 05:28 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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Some reading on the most recent Detroit mob cases -

March 1996 - 17 members and associates indicted
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/casestudies/gamtax.htm
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm

March 2006 - 15 members and associates indicted
http://www.udmercy.edu/news_events/inthenews/March%2006/3-5-06_tocco.pdf
http://www.newcriminologist.com/news.asp?nid=1224

May 2009 - 2 associates indicted
http://detroit.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/de050609.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2009-05-06-toledo-points-shaving-indictment_N.htm
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#569717 - 03/15/10 10:15 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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Thank you.
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#569720 - 03/15/10 01:27 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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The current list that i will type out today or tommorrow that i have comprised is from known associates,news stories, people i met or heard about when i was living in Detroit for a period of time,working with them legitatemately,any other place i can find accurate info,etc.
The List I have of non deceased confirmed "MADE" soldiers in Detroit is close to 100 names,Plus 5-10 capos and the Hierarchy and i have heard estimates of 200-500 close Associates some of which have probabably been "made" and are not on the F.B.I. RADAR yet.Also you have probably a dozen guys retired so they say.
I believe if your not in the family u will never know there true size and then u may not either if your and underling.

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#569721 - 03/15/10 01:32 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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My Capeci estimates came right out of his book printed in 2002.

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#569723 - 03/15/10 01:33 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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#569725 - 03/15/10 03:44 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
Lilo Offline


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Anything is possible Lucasi. I don't think anyone here has first hand insider's knowledge. smile

But even very very broadly defined Metro Detroit (the city proper and several of the outlying counties) only has somewhere between 4 and 5 million people. NYC alone has over 8 million. That's almost as many people as the entire State of Michigan. So I just find it hard to believe that such a relatively small area with a shrinking and shifting economy would be able to support such a large active Family of 100 made men with 2 to 5 times that number of associates. Most of the information with which I'm familiar seems to indicate a very small hub of active family members with relatively modest businesses/illegal activities by NY standards. 30~40 guys seems more likely.
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#569727 - 03/15/10 03:57 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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Originally Posted By: Lucasi
My Capeci estimates came right out of his book printed in 2002.


So it was probably written in 2001, right? Almost ten years ago.

Ten years is a lifetime in correlation to the modern mob and it's decline.
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#569751 - 03/15/10 05:30 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lilo]
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This is very interesting inside info.

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#569821 - 03/16/10 03:44 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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Originally Posted By: Lucasi
The current list that i will type out today or tommorrow that i have comprised is from known associates,news stories, people i met or heard about when i was living in Detroit for a period of time,working with them legitatemately,any other place i can find accurate info,etc.
The List I have of non deceased confirmed "MADE" soldiers in Detroit is close to 100 names,Plus 5-10 capos and the Hierarchy and i have heard estimates of 200-500 close Associates some of which have probabably been "made" and are not on the F.B.I. RADAR yet.Also you have probably a dozen guys retired so they say.
I believe if your not in the family u will never know there true size and then u may not either if your and underling.




Whatever list you have, you have no way of verifying everyone on that list is a made member. Once again, the FBI itself had the Detroit family at around 30 members 15 years ago. There is nothing you can say that is going to carry more weight than that. Furthermore, the lack of consistent mob activity in Detroit - as shown in indictments - is at least indirect evidence that the family does not have anywhere near 100 members.
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#569822 - 03/16/10 03:48 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
IvyLeague Offline


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Originally Posted By: Lucasi
My Capeci estimates came right out of his book printed in 2002.


Here is an article he wrote for New York Magazine in 2005 - three years after that book.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/10870/

But even those figures are now somewhat out of date. When it comes to membership estimates, it's best to go with the average estimate from as many sources as possible. The avergae estimates for the Genovese and Gambino families is around 200. The Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos a little over 100 each.


Edited by IvyLeague (03/16/10 05:46 AM)
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#569833 - 03/16/10 05:48 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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Until this week's arrests, the Metro Detroit crime family had remained largely intact, with more than 100 associates and 29 "made members," or those who took an oath of allegiance through blood letting.
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm


For at least 30 years the Detroit Family of the La Cosa Nostra (LCN) was an extremely active criminal enterprise consisting of approximately 30 "made members" and between 200 and 300 associates.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/casestudies/gamtax.htm
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#569871 - 03/16/10 11:25 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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I added my Detroit LCN "Soldiers" to my original list of Hierarchy and added a few Capos that i thought were "Soldiers". These i have comprised i believe to be "MADE".They may not all be but guarantee most of them are.


Edited by Lucasi (03/16/10 11:27 PM)

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#569872 - 03/16/10 11:38 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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Originally Posted By: Lucasi
I added my Detroit LCN "Soldiers" to my original list of Hierarchy and added a few Capos that i thought were "Soldiers". These i have comprised i believe to be "MADE".They may not all be but guarantee most of them are.


You have over 100 guys on that chart. The feds had them at no more than 30 made members a decade and a half ago. If you were to say those are names of both members and associates, that's one thing. But they are obviously all not made and you are not in any position to "guarantee" they are.
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#569921 - 03/17/10 11:15 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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IVy League:U think u know it all.?Does the FBI know all?Hell No. Or every LCN member/Outlaw would be behind bars.Just like them thinkn the Genovese Boss was 10-12 differnt individuals over a span of years till they realized it was "The Chin".Hell alot of the Other New York families didnt even know as "The Chin" would send the "FIGUREHEAD" to the Commission meeting.
Most of the list has been researched and i "GUARANTEE" u can find info that 75-100% of my list are "MADE".I have so many known Associates that if i would have wanted to i could have filled 3 pages of names but only put down the ones i have researched,etc.Do u ever admit to being possibly wrong?
I grew up around this,worked around it and have kept close eye on the Mob Scene for 25+ years.My Lineage will keep me forever intrigued with LCN but the TRUTH is u dont know and i dont know who is "Made" in the D.I got many LCN books where alot of my info came from,news,internet,word of mouth,ETC.
Plus all are Detroit LCN family members are not staioned in Detroit as there in Canada,Ohio,New York,Philadelphia,etc.
U have Enough Family members in the Detroit LCN to equal more than 30"made" guys.?My Opionion.


Edited by Lucasi (03/17/10 11:19 AM)
Edit Reason: misspelling

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#569934 - 03/17/10 08:49 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica Offline
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The list kinda seems like its more a role call of Detroit mobsters , like a full roster of every known affiliate past & present.
As opposed to a current chart of active soldier's, capo's & admin.
Its like, in NY there's a new story every other week about some beleagured Capo or obscure soldier,
there's always some half-ass wiseguy with another hair-brained scheme. There's really not that much news coming from Detroit is there?
How are these hundred-odd guys getting away with it all?

I think IvyLeague's posted pretty much all the reliable material on the Detroit families.
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#569938 - 03/17/10 09:46 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: BDuff]
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Okay, so i know that its not exactly everybody's main area of interest, but... ive managed to compile a crude chart of the most active & prominent Calabrian-Australian criminals.
Every name on the list has been charged with recent crimes ranging from extortion, arson, murder &, their bread & butter, drugs. Google any one of the names (search w/Australia) & you can read up yourself. I have compiled my chart through various news articles, Australian true-crime books & similar research online. Remember that Ndrangheta structure is much more autonomous & "horizontal" then Cosa Nostra Families & their rigid rankings, & is very much enmeshed in blood relations. Every name on the list can be linked to at least one of the other names, in most cases more, & several figures maintain direct links to Calabria & Calabrian Ndrina:

GRIFFITH, NSW
Domenic Barbaro
Pasquale "Pat" Barbaro
Pasquale "Pat" Sergi
Franceso "Frank" Sergi
Severino Zirilli

MILDURA, NSW
Vincenco "Vince" Medici
Matteo "Matt" Medici

MELBOURNE, VIC
Francesco "Frank" Madafferi
Pino Varallo
Nicola Ciconte
Michael Calleja

SHEPPARTON, VIC
Vincent Paul Lattore
Vince Mantovani
Guisseppe Campisi

ADELAIDE, SA
Carmelo Falanga
Severino Scarponi
Antonio Di Pietro
Carmelo Loprete



Edited by Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica (03/17/10 09:47 PM)
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#569941 - 03/17/10 09:59 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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Originally Posted By: Lucasi
IVy League:U think u know it all.?Does the FBI know all?Hell No. Or every LCN member/Outlaw would be behind bars.Just like them thinkn the Genovese Boss was 10-12 differnt individuals over a span of years till they realized it was "The Chin".Hell alot of the Other New York families didnt even know as "The Chin" would send the "FIGUREHEAD" to the Commission meeting.
Most of the list has been researched and i "GUARANTEE" u can find info that 75-100% of my list are "MADE".I have so many known Associates that if i would have wanted to i could have filled 3 pages of names but only put down the ones i have researched,etc.Do u ever admit to being possibly wrong?
I grew up around this,worked around it and have kept close eye on the Mob Scene for 25+ years.My Lineage will keep me forever intrigued with LCN but the TRUTH is u dont know and i dont know who is "Made" in the D.I got many LCN books where alot of my info came from,news,internet,word of mouth,ETC.
Plus all are Detroit LCN family members are not staioned in Detroit as there in Canada,Ohio,New York,Philadelphia,etc.
U have Enough Family members in the Detroit LCN to equal more than 30"made" guys.?My Opionion.


This isn't about whether I'm sometimes wrong or not. This is about the information the FBI has vs. what you have. And you're not the first to bring up the whole Chin/Fat Tony thing as an attempt to put doubt on the feds in favor of your own opinions.

Bottom line, if the FBI says the family had no more than 30 members 15 years ago, that should be enough for you. And on top of that, there is indirect evidence in the form of there only being two mob-related cases in Detroit over the past decade. In other places where there are 100 members, or even half that, there has been much more mob activity. And though you might want to believe otherwise, the Detroit family isn't just extra smart or careful to avoid law enforcement scrutiny. There just isn't that much activity there because the family isn't as big as you want to believe.

End of story.
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#569976 - 03/18/10 11:33 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: IvyLeague]
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I know the "Gospel" according to the FBI and Ivy League is word.Thats what the LCN wants the FBI and Mob Watchers to believe.
Just cause we have only 2 known Newspaper bust doesnt mean $$$ arent flowing into the coffer or why would they risk it?We have 1 known "MADE" informant since the formation of "The Partnership"-Nove Tocco whom helped the Feds with the 1996 "Operation game tax" bust and look what they got.A few years out of the "Underboss"-Anthony "Joey Z" Zerilli and the other 16 or so defendants practically scated including the "Boss" who only did a year because underlings are not told something unless needed even family which Nove Tocco was related to both the Boss and Underboss,etc.If this was a New York family that was involved with the main plot around Hoffa or something somebody would have allready spettegolared and brought that story to a fabled close.
Also u tell Me which Family in the last Century had a Boss for 40+ years and now one that is going on30+years and kept there family so "Bloodline" oriented.-NONE.Most DetroitLCN have at least 1 relation in the family also.
MUch more mob activity doesnt mean more members.Somebody would be a scemo to think that.?It means more feds are watchn so they know more,more arrusos talkin about possible or bygone activity,and stupider schemes to make $$ that they constantly get busted for so it seems like theres mobsters all over when really u just got all the same guys chasin the same$$.Someone will get busted and tell about a Murder or something that happened 30 years ago that makes headlines to get out of trouble and that makes more OLD news.Solution:All these busones need to shut up"Omerta" and u wouldnt have as many LCN court cases.

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#569977 - 03/18/10 12:01 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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These are not all LCN DETROIT guys from the past and present.I could give you 100s of stories and pics of long deceased members of the Detroit Partnership/Combination.
Every name i have listed are still alive/active as far as i know.?Most of them when i would read something about em i would try to research to see if they had passed.
Hell u got numerous deceased Bommaritos,Toccos,Zerillis,Corrados,Vitales,etc that go back almost a century.Many of the Detroit LCN were "Purple Gang" members before the Combination was formed or worked for Adamo,Big Chet Lamare and other short lived HEADS of family like Salvatore Catalanotte,Gianolla brothers,etc.
I See alot of Detroit LCN list even Scott Burnsteins on the net that show Members still listed that are long deceased like Ronald"Hollywood Ronnie" Morelli,Bernard "Bernie the Hammer" Marchesani,etc.This chart i posted was started in 2008 and is noway shape or form a role call of Detroit Mafia Past and present.I havent got all day to type names.Where would i start?Adamo,"Purple Gang",Michael "Big Mike" Polizzi,Giovani"Papa John" Priziola,Henry Hilf,Rafaelle Quassarano,Tony Ciulla?LOL.

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#570010 - 03/18/10 09:32 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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A few years out of the what? Spettegolared? Scemo? Arrusos? What's Italian & what're misspellings? Im pretty sure Busone means champion homo or something...?
I for one totally agree with the idea that there are still mobsters operating completely under the radar, but dude, that's so many guys on that list! Even if they are/were all "connected", how many of 'em would inactive, shelved, dead (i notice you've got a few dead guys on the list) etc. I mean, you got guys like Joe Barbara Jr. on the list, and im pretty certain he hasn't been doing things for years. & he's not the only one.

I could say something like, nothing for nothing, when i first started posting here i had my own big ideas about the Families, who they were & what they did, & personally, have learnt more in the last 6 months then i had in six years, but that would be a little big-headed for a guy who's pretty much still a noob himself, eh?

Interesting post though. I have seen that list before, but most of the reliable sites post a highly edited version, with about three-quarters of those names.
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#570047 - 03/19/10 10:51 AM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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Arruso:Asshole
Spettegolare:Tattle or add a d to the end and its tatttled.
Scemo:dumb person or persons.
Sconsigliare:Advise against
Busone:Fag
I may be new to this site out of the 1000s on the net but i certainly aint new to the LCN or other Mafia news/info sites as 4 generations of my family have kept me intrigued living around it,family associated with it-legitamately,etc.Also as my lineage is part Italian but on MY mothers side i have met many and have family most who are deceased that were gangsters-especially during prohibition and onward.Most people on here cant even say they have seen a mobster in person let alone known any.
I did State Prison time with "Tony Jack" Giacalone who is passed now in Michigan and his Prisoncell was a small trailer that he had brought in.It was turned into the prisoner store after his release at Egler Facilty,Jackson,Mi.
Also did time with a few Toccos that are low rank Detroit LCN in the 90s.
Also Joe Barbara Jr is a High Ranking "Old Guard" member of the Detroit LCN and is said to be a Capo with a descent crew.



Edited by Lucasi (03/19/10 11:11 AM)

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#570105 - 03/19/10 08:27 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica Offline
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Holy Hell! A poster on a mafia message board who claims to be connected? Incredible! I have never heard of such a thing before!
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Ahem. Anyway, what's it like, bunkin' with Tony Jack?
Seriously though, you kinda type like a dude in jail.
Or a kid. (Maybe a kid in jail? Ah ha ha aw sorry mate im just breakin' balls) Funnily enough, even if such were true, i think you'd be hard pressed actually convincing people to believe it.

At least now i understand what you meant by Jerry Capeci being an "outsider". As a veteran investigative reporter with several sources on all sides of the law, i would have considered him an "insider", but of course you mean "outsider" as in he's not a gangster, and being as you are one, or on the periphery of such, you are an "insider". I get it now.

Anyway, I think there's a bunch of guys like Barbara Jr. in a lot of families,like an older generation of elder mafia statesmen, the guys that made their bones and came up in the 40's, 50's & 60's with the heavy-weights. Its like, their sheer age makes for them being practically shelved for all intents & purposes, but still deserving of respect are entitled to a "pension", ie - a steady book, game, no-show etc & remaining a part of the social club scenery. And thats not mentioning all those actually shelved & "retired", forcibly or otherwise.

Dom Moceri, New York Johnny Cussamano, Potato Chip Pete D'Angelo & a lot of the other coloful nicknames definitly appear on lists, but circa. 85 and earlier. Even for those made at that time, RICO fucks mobsters shit up.
But, ah, what're you gonna do? Assholes & opinions, eh? We all got 'em!
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#570134 - 03/20/10 12:07 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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NOONE said i was connected- just cause i did time with "Tony Jack" at the same state prison at the same time doesnt mean i am connected.
I couldnt have bunked with em because he had enough pull at the time to have a mini office trailer brought in that was his personal cell{If u would have read my 1stpost instead of talkin emme instantly then u would realize i didnt say i bunked with him,etc,also all this info about Giacalone and his State prison time can be confirmed and i can confirm my time and locations by my prison#,FBI#. Just cause u do business with Supposive LCN members or work at a legitatamate business they may own doesnt make u a wiseguy or associated in how your suggesting.Im not a finook-Egler facilty at the time was single cells-4 galleries high and Giacalones trailer was outside near 3 block-Jackson.
Robert Deniro and Edward Norton have a movie coming out this year called "Stone" that all prison scenes,etc were shot at EGLER Prison on Cooper st the same place i did time with Giacalone.Hillary Swank also has a movie coming out that was shot partially at the same location.
Also Did time with Rick"WHITE BOY RICK" Wersche who was a major Kilo player in the Detroit area before he was 18.Kid Rock has sang about em in tunes and he was definitely connected and a snitch now,Dr.Jack Kevorkian was housed at Kinross Correctional facilty when iwas there in 1999 and this is all State prisons none of them are Federal housing.
An Outsider in the means Jerry Capecis Italian but would rather tell everything he can find out about LCN.U can find them members on list from Detroit LCN circa1985 but u can also find SOME of the guys i listed on list from 2007-2010.If i havent read they been retired,put on a shelf,whacked or passed away i still consider them "Made" members of the Detroit LCN.Everyone i listed i have checked before to see if they were deceased.There may be a few i have screwed up on who has died lately but who doesnt.?If your so sure investigate them to see if there all/most dead.Capisce?
I received An Associates Degree in "Business Management" while incarcerated but thanx for telln me i write like a prisoner.Whats the main Mafia family in Ausralia?Is there ANY?Or just Street Gangs.


Edited by Lucasi (03/20/10 12:25 PM)
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#570166 - 03/20/10 09:51 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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I have added about 12-15 Wiseguys to my compiled list of men i believe to be "MADE" in the Detroit L.C.N.
Not all of them our confirmed but i have read enough info and heard enough to make me lean towards them being more than mere "Associates".

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#570170 - 03/20/10 10:22 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Lucasi]
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Great, now i just feel like an asshole.
A really good friend of mine served a few years a while ago, and i am the last guy who'd want to detract from your accomplishments while incarcerated. It's seems hard enough just to deal with being locked up, let alone actually better yourself. I was not suggesting your gay, by "bunking with" i was breaking balls, saying you must really have some insight from apparently spending so much time with him.

Originally Posted By: Lucasi

An Outsider in the means Jerry Capecis Italian but would rather tell everything he can find out about LCN.

By "Italian but would rather tell everything" you seem to be implying that a true Italian wouldnt want to expose Cosa Nostra? And see it gone?
I would strongly disagree with that. Also, agree to disagree on your "list" rather then insisting on your way.

This comes all the time. There's no mobsters in Australia! Beer, shrimp and barbies mofo! Das it!
Rather then argue the point, im going to tell you to google some information on the Ndrangheta, Calabrian-Australian criminals & really, some of the names on the list above!


Edited by Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica (03/22/10 12:13 AM)
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#570171 - 03/20/10 10:26 PM Re: 2008 Family Charts [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica]
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That is if your interested of course! If your not, then dont! Who cares!
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