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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #788127
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The biggest myth is that you must be completely Italian, have an Italian last name, or be Italian on your father's side only to join or even be made.

They allow people who are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8th or even less Italian in their heritage join as long as they are white and look Italian or Mediterranean.

This myth is perpetuated by movies and TV shows which are full of wrong misinformation masquerading as fact.

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I was watching History Channel 2 and learned that Al Capone had a brother who was a Prohibition agent. Vincenzo was much older and supposedly murdered someone right in front of Al when Al was just a kid. After Al became infamous, Vincenzo changed his last name.


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It relates to conspiracy to commit crimes, an element of extortion is always part of the allegation. The law targets Italians (and gangs) however it would be appropriate to apply to many other "Wall Street" and gov fraud cases as they qualify but I don't know that it is ever applied to them. In my opinion and those of many I know, it's an outdated law that can be pinned on almost anyone for almost anything and it carries harsh mandatory minimums where the convicted will often serve a life sentence even there is NO physical violence or drugs involved!
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Originally Posted By: olivant
I was watching History Channel 2 and learned that Al Capone had a brother who was a Prohibition agent. Vincenzo was much older and supposedly murdered someone right in front of Al when Al was just a kid. After Al became infamous, Vincenzo changed his last name.

He changed his name to Richard Hart, and also served as a law enforcer in Indian territories, later a justice of the peace.


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Originally Posted By: DoctorTwink
The biggest myth is that you must be completely Italian, have an Italian last name, or be Italian on your father's side only to join or even be made.

They allow people who are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8th or even less Italian in their heritage join as long as they are white and look Italian or Mediterranean.

This myth is perpetuated by movies and TV shows which are full of wrong misinformation masquerading as fact.


How can you know for sure? Not that I'm disagreeing but I think you should at least have an Italian last name to get made, at least in NY. I haven't heard of any made guys who don't have Italian names... I think I remember one or two in smaller families, but not in NY.


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Originally Posted By: DoctorTwink
The biggest myth is that you must be completely Italian, have an Italian last name, or be Italian on your father's side only to join or even be made.

They allow people who are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8th or even less Italian in their heritage join as long as they are white and look Italian or Mediterranean.

This myth is perpetuated by movies and TV shows which are full of wrong misinformation masquerading as fact.


False.

While there are examples of guys getting made who were half Italian, almost always they had last names that were Italian. And in recent years that relaxing of the rules to allow non-Italians in has been curbed. You gotta be full blood or damn near close to it.


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Originally Posted By: DoctorTwink
The biggest myth is that you must be completely Italian, have an Italian last name, or be Italian on your father's side only to join or even be made.

They allow people who are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8th or even less Italian in their heritage join as long as they are white and look Italian or Mediterranean.

This myth is perpetuated by movies and TV shows which are full of wrong misinformation masquerading as fact.


How can you know for sure? Not that I'm disagreeing but I think you should at least have an Italian last name to get made, at least in NY. I haven't heard of any made guys who don't have Italian names... I think I remember one or two in smaller families, but not in NY.


NYC and the so called "families" there are not the standard for who gets to join or get "made". For those in the know it's a total myth that you must be completely Italian, be 50% with a heritage on your father's side, or even have a last name. You do have to have some Italian heritage but it does not even have to be 50% or on only your father's side.

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Originally Posted By: Malandrino
Originally Posted By: DoctorTwink
The biggest myth is that you must be completely Italian, have an Italian last name, or be Italian on your father's side only to join or even be made.

They allow people who are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8th or even less Italian in their heritage join as long as they are white and look Italian or Mediterranean.

This myth is perpetuated by movies and TV shows which are full of wrong misinformation masquerading as fact.


How can you know for sure? Not that I'm disagreeing but I think you should at least have an Italian last name to get made, at least in NY. I haven't heard of any made guys who don't have Italian names... I think I remember one or two in smaller families, but not in NY.


What about Joe 'The German' Watts. I thought he was a made guy in the Gambinos? If not, he wielded just as much power as one who was made.

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Watts was never made, but as Petro says above, he did function as one. There are many instances where non-made guys (I hesistate to just use the term associate) wield as much, if not more, power than made guys. A great example is when John Gotti was named acting capo of the Bergin crew before he was ever even made a soldier.It all comes down to your earning power and who you're connected to.

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Jimmy The Gent Burke was a well respected non made guy too.

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Called himself "2 gun Hart". He was the constable in his little town, and as such had keys to the stores. When they started to come up missing merchandise ( including his own father in law, "2 gun" was dismissed. He also conned the local American Legion post into believing he was a big hero in the war, when of course, he never went, and was found out, and thrown out of the post. Guy was a total loser, and in the end, broke, his kids with nothing to eat, accepted charity from Al.

Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: FrankMazola] #797605
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Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: DoctorTwink
The biggest myth is that you must be completely Italian, have an Italian last name, or be Italian on your father's side only to join or even be made.

They allow people who are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8th or even less Italian in their heritage join as long as they are white and look Italian or Mediterranean.

This myth is perpetuated by movies and TV shows which are full of wrong misinformation masquerading as fact.


False.

While there are examples of guys getting made who were half Italian, almost always they had last names that were Italian. And in recent years that relaxing of the rules to allow non-Italians in has been curbed. You gotta be full blood or damn near close to it.



John Veasey was I believe a 1/4 Italian. The surname Veasey is also French.

What is the make up of Frank Martines?

Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: ShotgunTheRifle] #798301
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Originally Posted By: ShotgunTheRifle
John Veasey was I believe a 1/4 Italian. The surname Veasey is also French.

What is the make up of Frank Martines?


Are you John Veasey? You're the only guy here that mentions his name wink.

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I believe John Veasey was half Italian. As I recall, his mother was Sicilian and his father not.

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Andrew campos from Bronx not Italian but Latino (fact) they denied him membership until family was in Shambles they let him slip through only because of tori locascio money makes things happen.. They try to say last name is Greek fathers side.. That's bull he's Latino.. Now he try's to spell it with an e at end so it ends in a vowel because most italian last name end in a vowel.. So point, they can do and say what they want..there rules are foolish..Andrew campos should not even be recognized..

Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #801764
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The way a guy is clipped tells much about his character. So we know there are many ways to die. The rarest way to die is of natural causes. You can be left on the street to be made an example of, shot and thrown into the river, left in the trunk of your car with dollar bills shoved inside you to show you are greedy, a canary shoved in your mouth to give the guys the impression that you were informing. Are these just myths? If they aren't then what are some of the ways other guys were whacked and what were the meanings behind them?

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No they are not myths. Check out Tony Bananas Caponigro as an example of what you wrote.

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
No they are not myths. Check out Tony Bananas Caponigro as an example of what you wrote.


Yea I know exactly who you are talking about. I've been into learning about cosa nostra since I've been a kid but always have questions. There's a lot I know about these gangsters from what I read or heard from my family but since I'm a chick I feel I should hold back and keep quiet (most of the time) cuz I'm new to this site and want to be respectful to the people posting who have been on here for awhile. If that makes any sense.
What about poison? I know it's been used on civilians but were any guys rubbed out this way?

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I know that the Italians will only only use one undertaker. Then the sons take over and the next generation uses the sons as undertakers. Is this the same for mob guys? What is the significance of an undertaker?

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: olivant
I was watching History Channel 2 and learned that Al Capone had a brother who was a Prohibition agent. Vincenzo was much older and supposedly murdered someone right in front of Al when Al was just a kid. After Al became infamous, Vincenzo changed his last name.

He changed his name to Richard Hart, and also served as a law enforcer in Indian territories, later a justice of the peace.



I was watching a doc on prohibition who had Deidra Capone the niece of Al Capone. Now I don't know if she's credible or not but according to her this is what she said about her uncle Al and his brother. She said that during a riot/fight that they were both involved in on the street, Al told his brother Vincenzo you ended up killing that fella. He felt so bad about it he changed his ways becoming R. Hart moving away. Well one day they got together and were reminiscing about the old days and that story came up. Well Al told his brother you know you never killed that guy and Vincenzo couldn't believe it and punched Al. Now like I said I have no idea if this Deidra is making up a good story or what but that's what she said on that documentary that aired recently.

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There's no doubt that she's a Capone. She says that her grandfather Ralph and the younger brothers Matt and John as well as sister Mafalda told her many stories. Seems normal and credible to me.

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biggest myth of all "we only kill our own"



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Originally Posted By: Binnie_Coll
biggest myth of all "we only kill our own"


That sounds like a line out of an old classic movie. I think that the real myth is that A MOBSTER ACTUALLY SAID "We only kill our own."

These wiseguys need to make money. If you get in their way, you're gonna pay one way or another, sometimes with your life.
That has always been understood by people who live in the neighborhoods these guys are in.

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Originally Posted By: Alfanosgirl
I know that the Italians will only only use one undertaker. Then the sons take over and the next generation uses the sons as undertakers. Is this the same for mob guys? What is the significance of an undertaker?


There was an undertaker in east Harlem that we all used. Cordovano they moved from Harlem to a place called Carmel, NY.

We still use them the name as changed to something like Belsamo-Cordovano. Someone kicks off they come bring the stiff to the funeral home of your choice. Put the dead guy in the OB in a paper. Do they still print papers any more?

They treat you like old friends who you can't really remember smile

They make sure everyone has a good time when a loved one kicks off.

In my case my wife will use some guy her family knows. Me fuck that just want to be buried at my soccer field so I don't miss any games just because I am dead. It is illegal to do what I want to do. I already made arrangements for it to happen my way.

I don't want any one at my service when I go.my family knows that my wife is upset about it.

We have a plot here in Brooklyn. She actually thought we will be buried together. I told her if we die at the same time then ok. If not just think of it as separate vacations.


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Originally Posted By: Footreads
There was an undertaker in east Harlem that we all used. Cordovano they moved from Harlem to a place called Carmel, NY.

They're still there. They're partners with Ralphie Balsamo now in the Carmel location (and being that Ralphie's a made guy, I guess it's appropriate of this website lol).

Anyway, I did a lot of work out of Harlem when I first started in the funeral business. I know the Cordovanos all my life. Hell, I was doing pallbearer carries for New York Mortuary on First Avenue when I was like 15 years old. That's 1974-1975.

Louie on 116th. Casario on 106th. There were a dozen little storefront funeral homes in East Harlem back then. Today Ortiz owns most of them.


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Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: Alfanosgirl
I know that the Italians will only only use one undertaker. Then the sons take over and the next generation uses the sons as undertakers. Is this the same for mob guys? What is the significance of an undertaker?


There was an undertaker in east Harlem that we all used. Cordovano they moved from Harlem to a place called Carmel, NY.

We still use them the name as changed to something like Belsamo-Cordovano. Someone kicks off they come bring the stiff to the funeral home of your choice. Put the dead guy in the OB in a paper. Do they still print papers any more?

They treat you like old friends who you can't really remember smile

They make sure everyone has a good time when a loved one kicks off.

In my case my wife will use some guy her family knows. Me fuck that just want to be buried at my soccer field so I don't miss any games just because I am dead. It is illegal to do what I want to do. I already made arrangements for it to happen my way.

I don't want any one at my service when I go.my family knows that my wife is upset about it.

We have a plot here in Brooklyn. She actually thought we will be buried together. I told her if we die at the same time then ok. If not just think of it as separate vacations.


LMAO

You've already made arrangements for your illegal burial but you know you're gonna end up in that plot in Brooklyn if you go first smile
My husband and I have agreed that if I'm suffering in pain he's gonna drive me to the desert put two behind the ear and let nature finish the rest wink just kidding.

Good stuff Footreads.

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Originally Posted By: Alfanosgirl
Originally Posted By: Footreads
Originally Posted By: Alfanosgirl
I know that the Italians will only only use one undertaker. Then the sons take over and the next generation uses the sons as undertakers. Is this the same for mob guys? What is the significance of an undertaker?


There was an undertaker in east Harlem that we all used. Cordovano they moved from Harlem to a place called Carmel, NY.

We still use them the name as changed to something like Belsamo-Cordovano. Someone kicks off they come bring the stiff to the funeral home of your choice. Put the dead guy in the OB in a paper. Do they still print papers any more?

They treat you like old friends who you can't really remember smile

They make sure everyone has a good time when a loved one kicks off.

In my case my wife will use some guy her family knows. Me fuck that just want to be buried at my soccer field so I don't miss any games just because I am dead. It is illegal to do what I want to do. I already made arrangements for it to happen my way.

I don't want any one at my service when I go.my family knows that my wife is upset about it.

We have a plot here in Brooklyn. She actually thought we will be buried together. I told her if we die at the same time then ok. If not just think of it as separate vacations.


LMAO

You've already made arrangements for your illegal burial but you know you're gonna end up in that plot in Brooklyn if you go first smile
My husband and I have agreed that if I'm suffering in pain he's gonna drive me to the desert put two behind the ear and let nature finish the rest wink just kidding.

Good stuff Footreads.


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What if i told you big paul costelano was wearing ceramic bullet proof vest that night in 1985 new york . Went into hiding oversees

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Originally Posted By: granchild411
What if i told you big paul costelano was wearing ceramic bullet proof vest that night in 1985 new york . Went into hiding oversees


That would be awesome....but he was shot in the head...

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