All right all you Godfather buffs......who can guess who this guy is? (Click on the link below)

Good Luck.

KP

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79353319@N00/14187254

Frank Pentangeli on steroids?

This is just a guess, but since he seems to be standing behind a bar...maybe the bartender where the attempted hit on Frankie took place.

Apple

I don't want to give any hints yet but.....based on Apple's reply it should be noted that this is a Modern Day Picture taken very recently....you should be looking for someone about 30 yrs younger...

KP

Willie Cicci is my bet.

Good guess but Joe Spinell, who played Cicci died in 1989...our mystery man is still alive....

I am gonna guess and say Tito Alba the man who played Cuban president Fulgencio Batista...

The link isn't working.

Is it Don Fanucci?

This is tough. I'm guessing the person (is it you?) would've been roughly in their mid-30's when GF2 was made. It could be someone (an extra) so obscure that no one will guess it, like one of Michael's young buttonmen (e.g., Joe Lo Grippo), or a cop (Carmine Foresta)...

Tell us, is the person at least listed on this page ?

Well it's obviously Al Pacino, man he hasn't aged well.

No way, just realised it's a future snap of SC, maybe 10/15 years.

It's the guy who killed the Tahoe Assasains! Finaly, the guessing is over! J/J

Man this is a tough one! He looks really familiar and yet I just can't place him in GFII.


Don Cardi

Don Ciccio!!


Don Cardi

It's like The Picture of Dorian Gray. This is the picture that's aging... Finally, we found Al's secret!!

I still say it's Don Ciccio.


Don Cardi

Would Don Ciccio have been in his 30's back then?

I'm trying to put hair on this guy and imagine a younger/thinner person. The face does look familiar (I think). If it was an obscure character, then I probably won't get it. Great guessing game though.


TIS

Is it G.D. Spradlin, the guy who played Senator Geary?

Cacarsi addosso! It's Talia Shire!!! [bites fist]

I think so Geoff. His weight and some makeup could have made him look older. Think about it for a moment. In the very begining of GFII we are shown a young Don Ciccio, right? Then when Vito goes back to Italy to avenge the death of his family, we are then shown a much older Don Ciccio, right? Obviously makeup for that scene. If the actor was in his 30's back when GFII was made, that would put him in his 60's now, and this guy looks to be in his 60's in this picture.

My money is that it's Don Ciccio.

What's the prize for winning this contest anyway? A weeks worth of blockbuster rentals?


Don Cardi

Anthony Corleone of course.... or Deanna Dunn.

Ok, I'm totally guessing. Would it be Don Fanucci? (Don't know his real name)


TIS

I even went into photoshop and made him look 30 years younger..still, not a clue. At least tell us, is he completely obscure? I mean is this one of those questions that probably only you know?

Where's Turnbull? I'll bet he'll know it right away.


TIS

Tom Rosqui or maybe Bruno Kirby?

I've searched for a photo of Don Ciccio, but cannot seem to fine one. Perhaps our esteem SC, the king of photos, can provide us with one to compare to the picture above.


Don Cardi

I have searched the internet looking for a match for this photo, matching it with all the photos I can find of characters from The Godfather: Part II, but to no avail. Here's a list of the characters it could be (remember, this guy is still alive).

Al Pacino (definitely not)
Robert Duvall (ditto)
Robert De Niro (nope)
G.D. Spradlin (Geary)
Richard Bright (Al Neri)
Gastone Moschin (Don Fanucci)
Bruno Kirby (young Clemenza)
Frank Sivero (Genco Abbandando)
John Aprea (young Sal Tessio)
James Caan (definitely not)
Abe Vigoda (nope)
Gianni Russo (Carlo, doubt it)
Oreste Baldini (child Vito, although he seems too young to be it)
Giuseppe Sillato (Don Ciccio)
Mario Cotone (young Don Tommasino)
James Gounaris (Anthony Corleone)
Carmine Caridi (Carmine Rosato)
Danny Aiello (Tony Rosato)
Peter Donat (Questadt)
Roger Corman (Senator #2)

*NOTE
I excluded all the males who's information wasn't provided, and the ones who were obviously not it (save Pacino and the rest, for comic relief). I also excluded extras, as trying to figure that out would be futile.

I don't think its Don Ciccio - here he is just before he had Vito's mother killed:



I'm betting he's the actor who met Vito in Part II. Check out the eyebrows in this scene when Vito goes back to Sicily to kill Ciccio. Thats him on the left (and he bears a resemblance to Guest's picture):

It's Giuseppe Sillato, who played Don Ciccio. Compare the photo posted in the link with the closeup on p. 240 of Harlan Lebo's "The Godfather Legacy." Look for a mole on the left cheek, and an irregularly shaped bag under the left eye.

I guess Turnbull's argument holds water:

I don't care how much makeup they gave him, but I really doubt Ciccio was in his 30's back then!

I'm not saying he doesn't resemble him, because he does -- many features match up almost perfectly. But I just really doubt Dick Smith woulda spent as much time or more on him as he did on Brando, making him look much older -- and realistically so.

Of course, I could be wrong. Guest24 needs to comment on it...

Why would you think he should have been in mid-30's back then? Does that man in the picture look in his mid-60's to you?

I don't know, there is a period of time between mid-40's to mid-70's that men do look quite the same while aging. I think Don Cardi is right. That's Don Cicco!

I think it's Fanucci.

Isn't that Leopoldo Trieste, who plays Roberto, the landlord?

Turnbull and Don Cardi vs. SC and Don Malta!
This could get very interesting!

Ok, let the betting begin!


Don Cardi

This is a recent photo of GASTONE MOSCHIN, the famous Don Fanucci:



And this is a picture of Leopoldo Trieste, Signore Roberto:

It can't possibly be Don Ciccio. That actor was obviously already in his late 50's at the very least ... even in the early scene when Vito's mother is killed.

Anyway...why on earth would they have hired an actor in his 30's to play a character who is probably 20 years older. This was Hollywood...not a high school play.

I think it might be the actor who played young Don Tomassino, who aided young Vito in killing Ciccio...and was then crippled by the gunshots while escaping.

Apple

i was thinking that it could be enzo the baker

For once Apple & I agree on something. I have to admit that the comparison with the Don Ciccio still from the film is convincing though the mouth appears different, but I agree with the Don & Apple, why go to the bother of making a younger actor up to look older and then even older in the revenge scene?? Anyone recognise the booze bottles on the shelf behind him??


Wild guess, is it Livio Giorgi, the singer of Senza Mama??

I always get such a laugh when people put it that way...needless to say, it happens on just about every e-list I belong to!!

What's really funny is when people express amazement about their 'agreement'.

Apple

C'mon Apple, I find that very hard to believe!


Don Cardi

I must say, looking at those two pictures side by side, he does look like him. BUT, (30 years later) damn he looks better now, 30 years later then he did in the movie.
makeup or no makeup.

Apple......apple......oh Apple.............just joking with you!


Don Cardi

The answers is: What did Adam and Eve said in the Garden of Eden when the Lord stopped by.

I know, Don C....don't worry!! I was laughing right along with you. Were you waiting for some kind of clever comeback??? Obviously not my style .

Seriously, if I had a nickel for every time I read the words: " I really can't belive I'm saying this, but I agree with Apple! " ... my earnings would probably equal Pacino's combined salary from all 3 GF films!!

(Of course on other lists my real name is used...it's only here on the Gangster BB that am I known as a fruit)

Apple

Jay Leno has his Fruit Cake Lady and we have you

We would have it no other way.

Then again, I didn't see Don Vito buying any Apples.

And elsewhere, what? a nut?

I must owe you about a quarter Apple

My guess: Giuseppe Sillato (Don Ciccio) was between 40 and 45 (the scene where he ordered the shooting of Antonio Andolini's wife) when GF II was made (in 1973), and let's say the picture is taken 30 years later, then he has to be between 70 and 75 now. That's possible, no?

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<strong> [QUOTE]... And elsewhere, what? a nut? if they heard some of the names I've been called in cyberspace!!!

Interesting turn this thread has taken...I'm sure the mystery GFII guy is of greater concern !!

Apple

No, it's not possible. That actor had to be at least 55 at the time of the scene you're referring to.

People seem to be stuck on this Don Ciccio answer ... can't anyone find a bio of this guy so we can know when he was born or even if he's still alive?

Apple

I've tried every possible search for this guy's bio, but to no avail. Nothing comes up about his date of birth. No pics either.

It's time for the original poster of this question to reveal who this mystery person from GFII is!


Don Cardi

1974 The Godfather Part II Actor: Giuseppe Sillato Don Francesco
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Found on the internet.
I'm just a newbie here: Is his full name Don Francesco Ciccio, or is it a totallt different actor?

And I'm sorry Don Cardi, but I think this game should go on for a while, Turnbull is going to show in this thread who's the king of GF knowledge.

Still think it's Don Ciccio, he could have been between 40 and 45 in the movie, Apple, with lot's of makeup

OK...its time to spill the beans!!

I found a small bio of a painter called Giuseppe Sillato who was born in 1935. If it's the same guy....

"Ciccio" (or "Cicc'") is the diminuitive of Francesco. His formal name is Don Francesco, but he's also known as Don Ciccio. In GFII, Sra. Corleone calls him "Don Ciccio" when she implores him to spare Vito's life. But that night, when his henchmen are shouting their warnings in the town's streets that whoever's hiding Vito should give him up, they say, in Italian, that "Don Francesco will thank you for it."

It was I, not Turnbull, who originally said that the man was Don Ciccio! But Turnbulls a good man.

Time to go to the mattresses with this!

My Regime : Turnbull, Afs, you and myself.

Don Geoff's Regime : SC, TIS, Apple and Geoff.

Ok People, what regime are you going to join?


Don Cardi

Not so fast my friend. It hasn't even been 24 hours yet.

Let some of the people in other time zones have a shot at it.

Ok then, which Regime do you choose?


Don Cardi

I think Turnbull is good enough to have his own regime.

In fact, he could have his own family if he ever decide to leave that one toilet town he lives in now.

It's really hard to decided who is right and who is wrong. One one side you have guys like DC and Turnbull, two guys who seem to know a lot about the mob and the godfather movies saying that they think that this guy is Don Cico from Italy. Then on the other side you have Geoff and SC who also know a whole lot about the godfather movies. After all wihtout Geoffs knowledge of the gf movies, we would not have this site. And from what I've read SC is defiantley one of the top people here especially when it comes to movies and actors.

Can I stay nutral and be the negotiater please?


DS

I know this place, over in New Jersey, an Italian restaurant called Casa Dante. We can all go there and decide this thing. They have an old toilet with the box and the chain. DS can be the negotiator. Plaw can order the Garlic Bread, it's the best in town. We can then try and decide who this mystery man is, over a nice dinner. But if SC gets up to go to the toilet, better yet if he asks permission to go to the toilet, then we're in trouble!


Don Cardi

Is there going to be any extermination?

Whichever one makes the best offer *waiting*

I know someone who makes an offer no one can refuse!

Its almost 2006, and no one wants an all out war. Make a deal people.

Well, there hasn't been a peep from Guest24, the originator of the topic.

Perhaps a deal already HAS been made...

And now...you can go.

Apple

I get to be a Bochiccio then... always wanted to be crazy and ruthless

Hey Joolsie, interested in a game of pinochle?

Okay, here are some more shots... I wish I had more of Mystery Man.

Compare their noses and ears, and Don Ciccio has a DeNiro-like mole on his face which doesn't seem to be as pronounced as our Mystery Man's. And I don't care how much makeup he has on in the early GF2 scenes -- he's not in his 30's or 40's! The makeup is in the bottom right when he's older.



I went through a bunch of possibilities in GF2, and none matched. This match does seem to be the closest so far, but I've yet to be convinced...

He can also harvest the cigarette smoke--it's the thickest in town.

True, the mole isn't as pronounced--it may have been more prominent when he was younger, or have been darkened for the camera. But for me, the convincer is the bag under the left eye.

I'm better-looking, too.

Turnbull, I've taken care of business, just like you said. Guest 24 is sleeping with the fishes. Now no one can prove you wrong.

And no one can prove him right, either.

Apple

Don Ciccio has huge bags under both eyes -- like many people do... It can also simply be a matter of lighting.

But look at the nose: Mystery Man's is flatter and wider.
And look at his ears: Ciccio has huge ear lobes, and in this pick, MM doesn't appear to have any at all.... And, Don Ciccio has a pronounced dimple in his chin. I can't accept a bag under someone's eye as proof.

How old do you think Giuseppe Sillato is in these pics? It's obviously not an actor they brought over from the states -- especially a middle-aged one they could dress up too look 20 yrs older. I think they found a local who looked like they envisioned to play the part. He had been in 2 previous movies, and hasn't worked since GF2.

I gotta run - will be back later...

But after all this, I know it's gonna turn out to be him anyway!

A guess (but a whole different one then mentioned before, just for fun)...isn't it the guy who gots killed by young Vito with the knife.....? Mosca if I'm correct...one of the added scenes...

You'll get no argument there my friend!

Your smarter, better looking and more experienced. No question about it. Are you still on my side in this thing?


Don Cardi

Guest24 is just a Newbie, he could have never outfought Turnbull. But I wasn't sure, until this day, that it was Apple all along!


Don Cardi

Do we know when this mystery photo was taken? Are you sure it was taken 30 years after the movie was made? This guy through the eyes just doesn't look like Don Cicci to me. But then it doesn't really look like anyone I can think of but I still think it could be an older Fanucci.

I'm with you on this one, JG. I noticed the dimple too, as well as the fact that Don Ciccio has longer, straighter eyebrows with a low arch towards the outside. Mystery Man's eyebrows arch in the middle, and they're thicker. Also, not only does MM lack the dimple, but he's also got one of those horizontal half-moon creases under his bottom lip, which Ciccio doesn't have. Hmmm... unless that's a scar.

Also, the crow's feet by Ciccio's eyes turn up by the eyelid, while MM's turn down onto the cheekbone. And speaking of lines in the face, notice how Ciccio's laugh lines around his mouth are really deep? MM's aren't as deep, and furthermore, the line on the left side isn't straight, it's kind of uneven, like one little part of it doesn't crease as deep as the rest. I notice that because I have it when I smile, too.

It's tough to tell, really... I mean we could be WAYYY off. And if we're right and it's not really him, that's a lot of coincidences for two actors in a movie. The mole, the moustache (which looks about similar), etc.

Also, MM could be well into his 70's, maybe early 80's if he's really healthy. I don't think he necessarily has to be in his 60's. And if it is Ciccio, then he's gained weight, which could make a big difference in how his face looks. So it's not impossible. But still, I'm not convinced it's him.

Sorry DC.

By the way, in the bottom left picture-- is Ciccio about to sneeze? It looks like he's breathing in for it, and the next picture should be "CHOO!!"

Gastone Moschin (Don Fanucci)recent pictures
http://a9.com/Gastone%20Moschin?src=imdb&pi=2
See what you think?

Your not Sorry! You just want to take the side of Don Malta and his Consigliere SC and play it safe! That's all!


Don Cardi

Not yet...

OK, so wear iz dis chubato dat started dis topic mang?

Dis guy, he betta give us de answer mang!


Don Cardi

Have the bets been placed yet

I think we were all set up with a practical joke. It is time to smile into camera!!

Or what if that 'Guest 24' isn't going to come back? Then we will be arguing here for ever

Yes Afs, I think you are right!


Say CHEESE :


Don Cardi

I bet this guy is having a good laugh, making fools of all of us. Ah well, it was fun. So, for the camera.

Yeah, it's been the most fun in a long time. So much for "erosion"...

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Of course, we could just keep guessing at it.

Perhaps it's Deanna. Hey...you never know what 30 years and menapause can do to a woman!!!

Apple

Deanna?! Please! It's blatantly obvious that it's Diane Keaton.

Though realistically, I still say its G.D. Spradlin!