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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: dontomasso] #486177
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 Originally Posted By: dontomasso
There was a Sonny is gay thread? What about Carlo and that Pink jumpsuit he was wearing when Sonny beat him up? What about the clearly metrosexual Clemenza and his cooking lessons? What about Woltz with his frilly sculpture garden and his silk pajamas? What about Eli Wallach and all those hand gestures? What about that kiss between Michael and Fredo? And face it, Kay had a thing for Connie.
Maybe they were all gay. Maybe the next installation will be the GayFather.



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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: mercop] #539703
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Fredo was weak and sometimes seemed effeminate, but I don't think he was gay.

Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: ibarramedia] #539719
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The debate goes on and on about Fredo's sexuality but one thing we can all agree on is that Fredo was smaht - at least thats what he told Michael in the boathouse. wink

Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: Mark] #540391
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Fredo is a fictional character and, thus, one can imbue him with just about any characteristic one wants. However, such characteristics should be expected to have some reasonable relationship with what the author has stated about the character. I find nothing in what Puzo or FFC wrote or represented to support any contention that Fredo was gay. On the other hand, Puzo does write about Vito's concern that Michael was gay.


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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: olivant] #541309
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These books are NOT canon to the series. Puzo was not alive to give his permission for this outrage.

The books are merely asides, witterings from a fanboy whose managed to get published thoughts which some of us merely talked about on one these forums...

Complete trash. Fredo only had eyes for the pussy.


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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: Mark] #541316
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Originally Posted By: Mark
The debate goes on and on about Fredo's sexuality


Not really, Mark.

It was never a debate prior to this asshole Winegardner writing these books. Fredo was not gay. Period.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Hadda throw in a Seinfeld quote.


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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: danpit2] #618550
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What about that telegram hoping that Anthony sings better in the theater than he does in the shower? From Douglas? I think Tony is on the downlow.

Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: danpit2] #618589
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Probably because he loves cock. Isn't that what most gay dudes are about? Cock?

Having said that, Fredo is not gay. Winegardner's Fredo, on the other hand, is totally gay. In fact, the whole series of books by Winegardner are gay.

Its like, how dare he?

But yeah, not that there's anything wrong with that. grin

The gay part I mean. Homo's are champ's. Winegardner, on the other hand, is a jerk. Really, Winegardner? Really? You're gonna make a Corleone gay? I mean, he's perceived as weak, and the only thing you could think of was "its because he must be gay"? Proud day for champion homo's. You're an asshole, Winegardner. Why dont you just marry Nick Geraci?

I wish Id never read that damn book. Its like, I had to keep reading just so I could keep putting it down and going "Wow this book really sucks"


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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #618632
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With Geary in Fredo's Brothel
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Cause of the flashy clothes he wears in Vegas?


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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: danpit2] #627294
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It's interesting reading the objections to the 'gay Fredo' subplot - one side seems offended that a Corleone would be homosexual at all (i.e. offended about homosexuality itself), the other side objects to the predictable gay = weak connotation. Then, of course, most here hate the Winegardner books anyway.

Personally, I thought it was dealt with quite well, and worked somewhat - Fredo truly hates this part of himself, as anyone with his background would. It's not a politically correct approach, it's a realistic one given the context. He's a bit of a trainwreck as a Corleone in the films, you could argue that his weakness stems not from being gay, but from self-loathing and fear (resulting from being a gay man in this particular environment). Take a look at what happened to Vito in the Sopranos - can you imagine how a fanook would have been treated fifty years earlier?

That said, the subplot did seem somewhat gratuitous, an attempt to place something of a modern spin on the story which wasn't necessary at all, and wasn't ever really suggested by anything in either the book or films. Deanna Dunn accusing Fredo of 'not being a real man' is about all there was, and I don't think that was ever really the intention of the line anyway (although it fits). Crap in bed or impotent, maybe - gay, probably not.
(Make what you will of his particular choice of alcoholic beverage. A banana daiquiri just sounds disgusting more than anything else)

There was enough drama in the character of Fredo as it was - we knew he was doomed, he was a complete fuckup, no need to screw him up even more. The vague implication of his having been molested by a priest was more of a red herring than anything else, and not one that was exactly credible. However twisted and perverted some of these nonce priests are, can you imagine one daring to put the moves on the teenage son of a mob boss?

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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: danpit2] #627345
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Fredo was just a douche , he wanted to be somethin that just wasn't gonna happen at least for him. A putz. grin

Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: danpit2] #800089
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If they ever make a movie fredo can play a part in the stonewall riots.

just kidding, fredo was too smaht for that.


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Re: why is fredo gay? [Re: danpit2] #1037452
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I always had the impression that Tony was gay, remember when Kay was telling Michael she said something about "your son...." Michael didn't want to hear it and he slapped the shit out of her so hard he fell forward... I thought she was trying to tell him he was a funyook, and be later became an opera singer who was interested in women, just liked to hang around the gay men's choir


Yeah, Little Pussy. You think he's going to fuck with Big Pussy? My Pussy? Tony Soprano, 1999
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Sonny gay? Even Fredo--gay???

Comic Andy Milonakis sums up calling everything gay in his 2003 video that went viral after Jimmy Kimmel played it on his show.
If this came out now instead of 2003 Kimmel would condemn it instead of praise it. Have a laugh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hn3a6VpQxw

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He feels pretty!


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