why would the bonannos need an acting boss?
mancuso,palazzolo,spirito sr.,defiore,badalamenti are all on the street.

and i know theres a thread on this but what has become of cammarano,the grimaldis and zancocchio after being shelved?
for an AB/UB to be shelved along with his closest allies has no precedent among the families to my knowledge.

i can still see a time where conflict will again arise in ny/nj. as has been mentioned many times not enough rackets to go around and too many chasing it.
amongst the bonannos and lucchese there already has been flare ups b/ the families recently.

love east sides comment on colombos by the way...indeed who cares the colombos will be absorbed by the other families soon.
the families "leadership" is too old and insular.
for the colombos to survive in any independent way they need to shed the persico influence.

NO way! Even in their heyday of the 1950s-1960s under Sam the Plumber and Riggi they only had maybe 40+ members (tops). I don't think they ever hit the 50 mark. Associates added on is something different. But members? No Furio

I believe that the 100 people figure in the article/map I posted is an inclusive number of members+associates.

That would be a believable estimate.

Im agree. The Persico ruined the Colombos but they have the numbers is still a viable family but need a low key boss that are not a Persico relative.

I've often wondered do these estimates on total numbers include imprisoned members?
If they do that would explain the inaccuracies.
Leave associates out of it how many actually stick around long term anymore?

Colombos for instance have a large % of members in the can for a long time.
The number of guys on the street is a better reflection of strength.

I believe that the 100 people figure in the article/map I posted is an inclusive number of members+associates.

That would be a believable estimate.

I thought it was the early 2000s that they started flipping.

So would the decavs still have crews in Connecticut Florida and 3 crews in NY?
Figure they would have a hard enough time fending off families looking for territory in NJ.
Who reps the decavs for the gambinos and vice versa there must be a guy or two who is responsible for keeping lines open between families... Tony and Johnny sack for example... although I imagine not at such a high level.

Vincent Palermo was actually found in my city, Houston, Texas, living in a gated mansion. He packed up and left once the media revealed who he was. So technically he was the first boss to flip, before Joseph Massino. What a shame, all because they're afraid of doing time.

Vincent Palermo was actually found in my city, Houston, Texas, living in a gated mansion. He packed up and left once the media revealed who he was. So technically he was the first boss to flip, before Joseph Massino. What a shame, all because they're afraid of doing time.

I have to respectfully disagree with that. Mark my words; Cosa Nostra is going to have a big resurgence in the next 10-15 years. It may be the biggest time for organized crime since prohibition. Like the prohibition era, there are going to be alot of non-mafia gangs and factions to compete with.

I dont know how well Cosa Nostra will compete this time around, its a different dynamic but they say a rising tide lifts all boats so its very likely that you will see Cosa Nostra grow in numbers, wealth, and power.

I dont come on here to get into nasty back and forth with anyone, just to exchange thoughts. I don't know anything as an absolute (and neither does anyone else), but please enlighten me on where the next generation of LCN members will be coming from? Where will they be groomed and taught the membership is not the Elks Club but a lifetime commitment stronger than ones blood family? Where and how will they be taught the true meaning of Omerta and the rules? Sacrifice their own freedom, families and friends for the good of the organization? I don't see it but feel free to educate me on this because the trend has been going the opposite direction the past 20 years or so.

I have to respectfully disagree with that. Mark my words; Cosa Nostra is going to have a big resurgence in the next 10-15 years. It may be the biggest time for organized crime since prohibition. Like the prohibition era, there are going to be alot of non-mafia gangs and factions to compete with.

I dont know how well Cosa Nostra will compete this time around, its a different dynamic but they say a rising tide lifts all boats so its very likely that you will see Cosa Nostra grow in numbers, wealth, and power.

I dont come on here to get into nasty back and forth with anyone, just to exchange thoughts. I don't know anything as an absolute (and neither does anyone else), but please enlighten me on where the next generation of LCN members will be coming from? Where will they be groomed and taught the membership is not the Elks Club but a lifetime commitment stronger than ones blood family? Where and how will they be taught the true meaning of Omerta and the rules? Sacrifice their own freedom, families and friends for the good of the organization? I don't see it but feel free to educate me on this because the trend has been going the opposite direction the past 20 years or so.

LCN's decline has been greatly exaggerated.

Yes and no. It's just a much different world now. Loyalty and honor was switched out for greed and mental retardation.