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Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? #1010220
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Frank fiala murder victim. According to wikipedia this occured

'Milito stood over the body and fired a shot into each of Fiala's eyes as Fiala's entourage and the crowd of people on the street dispersed, screaming.[8] Gravano then walked up to Fiala's corpse and urinated on his mouth.'







In 1982, Frank Fiala, a wealthy businessman and drug trafficker, paid Gravano $40,000 to rent the Plaza Suite for a birthday party he was throwing himself. Two days after the party, Gravano accepted a $1,000,000 offer from Fiala to buy the establishment, which Gravano had only valued at $200,000.[4] The deal was structured to include $100,000 cash as a down payment, $650,000 in gold bullion under the table, and a $250,000 payment at the real estate closing.[8]

Before the transaction was completed, Fiala began acting like he already owned the club. Upon leaving the Plaza Suite, Gravano called Garafola and set up an ambush outside the club, involving Garafola, Milito, D'Angelo, Nicholas Mormando, and Michael DeBatt in the plan.[8] Later that night, Gravano confronted Fiala on the street as he exited the Plaza Suite among a group of people, asking, "Hey, Frank, how you doing?"[13] As Fiala turned around, surprised to see Gravano, Milito came up behind him and shot him in the head.[8] Milito stood over the body and fired a shot into each of Fiala's eyes as Fiala's entourage and the crowd of people on the street dispersed, screaming.[8] Gravano then walked up to Fiala's corpse and urinated on his mouth.[8]

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Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Primo] #1010223
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Sammy just spoke about this murder in his Podcast and to hear the emotion in his voice as he describes, not only how the hit went down but all the drama leading up to it. According to Sammy there were 4 shooters and 3 getaway cars but Sammy was slow to get away and had answer some questions to NYPD who happened to be close by coincidentally. What Sammy and Wiki don't tell you about the hit is, according to eyewitnesses, after Sammy caught Fiala's attention the 2 gunmen first shot Fiala and one of them pinned him to the ground while the other shot Fiala in each eye and once in the mouth. Then Sammy walked over and urinated in his mouth.

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Why they killed him ?

Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: CNote] #1010226
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Originally Posted by CNote
Sammy just spoke about this murder in his Podcast and to hear the emotion in his voice as he describes, not only how the hit went down but all the drama leading up to it. According to Sammy there were 4 shooters and 3 getaway cars but Sammy was slow to get away and had answer some questions to NYPD who happened to be close by coincidentally. What Sammy and Wiki don't tell you about the hit is, according to eyewitnesses, after Sammy caught Fiala's attention the 2 gunmen first shot Fiala and one of them pinned him to the ground while the other shot Fiala in each eye and once in the mouth. Then Sammy walked over and urinated in his mouth.



Thank you for your reply. What episode is that? I had listened to another podcast episode of his today and then was checking his wikipedia page when I saw this. I am very surprised he did that in public or at all. The urinating on him. In the sopranos johnny sac does that also to someone but he is depicted as being stone cold drunk and i bet Sammy was sober if it was a planned hit.

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Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Primo] #1010227
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In his book underboss he said he "spat on the body" not urinated....wikipedia for the wiseguys is nonsense


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1010232
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
In his book underboss he said he "spat on the body" not urinated....wikipedia for the wiseguys is nonsense


That sounds realistic. I was thinking wikipedia had it wrong


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Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Blackmobs] #1010243
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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Why they killed him ?



Watch the podcast. Anybody woulda killed that guy.

I doubt he pissed on him. That would tie him directly to the murder.

Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Primo] #1010246
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Yeah Gravano was crazy, but not stupid piss would trace him to the murder.


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This was early 80s years before DNA became prevalent...


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Primo] #1010251
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Said he spat on him. Plus Louie Eppilito got the case so you know it wasn't getting solved.

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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
This was early 80s years before DNA became prevalent...


Go be seen pissing on a freshly murdered guy with his eyes shot out. Dobt need DNA to immediately become the #1 suspect.

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Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Primo] #1010257
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Originally Posted by Primo
[quote=CNote]Sammy just spoke about this murder in his Podcast and to hear the emotion in his voice as he describes, not only how the hit went down but all the drama leading up to it. According to Sammy there were 4 shooters and 3 getaway cars but Sammy was slow to get away and had answer some questions to NYPD who happened to be close by coincidentally. What Sammy and Wiki don't tell you about the hit is, according to eyewitnesses, after Sammy caught Fiala's attention the 2 gunmen first shot Fiala and one of them pinned him to the ground while the other shot Fiala in each eye and once in the mouth. Then Sammy walked over and urinated in his mouth.



Thank you for your reply. What episode is that? I had listened to another podcast episode of his today and then was checking his wikipedia page when I saw this. I am very surprised he did that in public or at all. The urinating on him. In the sopranos johnny sac does that also to someone but he is depicted as being stone cold drunk and i bet Sammy was sober if it was a planned hit. [/quote


Episode 8, I believe. I couldn't find any independent corroboration of whether or not Sammy actually urinated in Fiala's mouth but after Fiala pulled all his bullshit and pulled an Uzi on Sammy, I could see Sammy showing the ultimate contempt for an adversary, not only that but it's sends a message to everyone of what happens when you fuck with the Bull.

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Originally Posted by CNote
Episode 8, I believe. I couldn't find any independent corroboration of whether or not Sammy actually urinated in Fiala's mouth but after Fiala pulled all his bullshit and pulled an Uzi on Sammy, I could see Sammy showing the ultimate contempt for an adversary, not only that but it's sends a message to everyone of what happens when you fuck with the Bull.


No, it was this one: Podcast Season 1 Episode 9: Would You Kill Paul?


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Re: Sammy the Bull urinating on murder victim? True? [Re: Primo] #1018340
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Re the urination. If anyone watches Sammy retell the story, it's clear he couldn't have done such a thing. He tells of a lady who knew of him and happened upon him right after the killing. She pretended to be his girlfriend to throw the cops off. He wouldn't even admit to her at that very moment that he had anything to do with what just happened. There is no way he relieved himself on his target right before police showed up. He didn't trust anyone around him at that moment enough to do that. That's only my opinion.


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Sammy killed many of his friends including ones he had known since childhood, he had no moral compass. There were numerous witnesses to what Sammy did and it was why he was late to get away before the police arrived even though he had a getaway car waiting for him. As a result, he was detained and questioned for hours, in the podcast he's a little vague as to why he was late to escape questioning.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Sammy_Gravano

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I believe he was slow to get away and not directly involved as a shooter because he was on crutches at the time.

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He may or may not have, but if DNA evidence was being collected at the time he would have been leaving a clue tracing right back to him. I think if that was the case they would have nailed him for it.

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Unlikely DNA would have been used against him as the first patent for DNA forensics wasn't pulled until 1983.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling

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I never heard that he pissed on him that doesn’t sound likely. Sammy claims he spit on him after Louie Milito killed him

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In his mouth, specifically. In Underboss he states he spit on him, in his Podcast he doesn't address it but in his Wicki they state he did.
Here's an image from Underboss and the link to Wikipedia
Personally, I lean towards him doing it, it's the same thing I would have done. If you pull a gun on me you had better kill me right then because if you don't I will kill you and add insult to injury. It is the law of the street and "The Street is always watching, She's always watching."
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Yeah I remember reading Underboss where he stated he spit on him

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Yeah Gravano was crazy, but not stupid piss would trace him to the murder.


Wouldn't spit trace him as well or was DNA profiling not advanced enough then?


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Why would Sammy urinate in the guys mouth? that makes bo sense at all and it would also be time consuming.
Think about it, you kill a guy in front of people and you then walk over to the body, pry the guys mouth open, unzip your pants with one hand since the other hand is holding the mouth open and then urinate ?? who does that !!! I have problems pissing in a public rest room with people around, never mind pissing in the mouth of a corpse.. wtf !!!!

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Originally Posted by Lenox
Why would Sammy urinate in the guys mouth? that makes bo sense at all and it would also be time consuming.
Think about it, you kill a guy in front of people and you then walk over to the body, pry the guys mouth open, unzip your pants with one hand since the other hand is holding the mouth open and then urinate ?? who does that !!! I have problems pissing in a public rest room with people around, never mind pissing in the mouth of a corpse.. wtf !!!!


He was also on crutches.


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Originally Posted by Lenox
Why would Sammy urinate in the guys mouth? that makes bo sense at all and it would also be time consuming.
Think about it, you kill a guy in front of people and you then walk over to the body, pry the guys mouth open, unzip your pants with one hand since the other hand is holding the mouth open and then urinate ?? who does that !!! I have problems pissing in a public rest room with people around, never mind pissing in the mouth of a corpse.. wtf !!!!


. Yeah that was just a silly made up story. I’ve always read that he spit on Fiala’s corpse but who knows

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Lol, In a life where not only are victims brutally murdered, dismembered and dissolved in acid with a plethora of different items to stuff, cram and force into every possible orifice in the human body, is it hard to acknowledge that it could have happened?

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no spit no piss,

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Originally Posted by bronx
no spit no piss,


I don't believe he urinated. But if he himself said he spat, than I have to accept it, even if it was a lie to make the hit look like a bigger triumph.


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LOL....I love eating &choke/laughing popcorn reading some of these posts...on a serious note, I don't think asswipe Bull (even back in those days) would do something so disgusting.


I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
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The story depends on the size of Gravano’s prostate at the time. If it was enlarged it would of taken Gravano a long time to empty is bladder which means he would of been at the murder scene longer than he needed to. If we can somehow get a hold of Gravano’s medical records we could analyze his prostate. That said, he was young so Im sure he had a small prostate and a very strong urine stream.

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