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Most mobbed up city in USA #1009594
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If I'm not mistaken, Newark NJ at one time had at least one crew from each of the five NYC families and a crew from Philly and of course NJ (seven families) very active in the city. What other city can say that? Fully staffed crews earning big money holding their own in one city?

Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009597
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I think you might very well be right about that!

That being said, having a crew from each of the 5 families and a micro-family of their own doesn't really compete with NYC having five full families.

But on a per capita basis I think you make an interesting point...

Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009598
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Slightly off topic but, i think, at some point, the most mobbed up city in Italy was the town of Filadelfia (Calabria) where it was estimated that about 10% of the overall population was inducted members of the N'drangheta locale. Considering the ratio between men and women + the children's population, it would mean that 2 out of 3 adult men living in the town were actual made members of the N'Drangheta.

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That is nuts! Sucks to be in the 1/3rd of men who are getting shaken down by the other 2/3rds LOL

Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009600
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They were probably a clan heavily into cocaine trafficking. There are Ndrangheta clans getting into cocaine trafficking (which they distribute in other parts of Europe) so they can feed the entire village.
If only 1/3 of the men aren't Ndrangheta members in that village, there's not much left to shake down lol

Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009601
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When I think of most mobbed up I think of something akin to the syndicate meaning the mob owned EVERYTHING from the politicians to the police to the unions and the streets and there’s only a few cities where this ever actually happened
NYC 1930s-1960s
KC-1930s-1980s
Youngstown 1930s-1990s
Chicago 1930s-1990s
Newark 1930s-1960s


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: TheKillingJoke] #1009605
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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
They were probably a clan heavily into cocaine trafficking. There are Ndrangheta clans getting into cocaine trafficking (which they distribute in other parts of Europe) so they can feed the entire village.
If only 1/3 of the men aren't Ndrangheta members in that village, there's not much left to shake down lol


You're right, The Filadelfia locale is well known for his drug business. A few months ago, the police made a big bust against the Filadelfia Locale and they arrested 75 men.

Arresting 75 individuals at one time would be a major bust in a city like NYC but imagine the impact in a town that has around 5000 inhabitants. It tells you how mobbed-up that place is.

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Louiebynochi, Newark was owned by the MOB right up through the 80's. They were controlling everything in that city (politics included) and with money coming from the commerce (trucks never stop coming into Newark from the turnpike), the International Airport, the shipping ports and then add the typical mob rackets for the neighborhood folks and this city was owned by the seven families. I understand other cites were controlled by individual families or in NYC case more than one. My question is, any other city have seven (or more) families working side by side and controlling everything? Not to mention the Campisi's own and the Gallichio's on their own basically.

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Originally Posted by majicrat
Louiebynochi, Newark was owned by the MOB right up through the 80's. They were controlling everything in that city (politics included) and with money coming from the commerce (trucks never stop coming into Newark from the turnpike), the International Airport, the shipping ports and then add the typical mob rackets for the neighborhood folks and this city was owned by the seven families. I understand other cites were controlled by individual families or in NYC case more than one. My question is, any other city have seven (or more) families working side by side and controlling everything? Not to mention the Campisi's own and the Gallichio's on their own basically.


They’re control of politicians started falling off with the Lilly commission and the conviction of Hugh Addinizzio. These occurred in the late 60s early 70s


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009612
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Originally Posted by majicrat
Louiebynochi, Newark was owned by the MOB right up through the 80's. They were controlling everything in that city (politics included) and with money coming from the commerce (trucks never stop coming into Newark from the turnpike), the International Airport, the shipping ports and then add the typical mob rackets for the neighborhood folks and this city was owned by the seven families. I understand other cites were controlled by individual families or in NYC case more than one. My question is, any other city have seven (or more) families working side by side and controlling everything? Not to mention the Campisi's own and the Gallichio's on their own basically.


And the campisis were w the Genovese and had ties to the Gambinos and Colombo’s as well

Per capita probably Newark or Youngstown You had at one point 3 families there in a town of 150 thousand maybe. Detroit,Pittsburgh and Cleveland

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009613
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Falling off but not vanishing. Richie the Boot lived until the early 80s (82?) and was deep into City Hall. Tony Boy's electric co. had all the city contracts and more. In fact the longest federal MOB trial in history was in Newark and involved guys from the Luchese Family, into 1988. So, it may have begun to fade like you pointed out but it was well into the late 80's early 90's before the real influence died down.

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I don't disagree the Campisi's had "ties" to three diff families and don't doubt all 7 if they had money to make or legs to break bu they were on their own, I think Na Na was a made guy with the Genovese. I'm not sure of that tho.

Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: majicrat] #1009615
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Originally Posted by majicrat
If I'm not mistaken, Newark NJ at one time had at least one crew from each of the five NYC families and a crew from Philly and of course NJ (seven families) very active in the city. What other city can say that? Fully staffed crews earning big money holding their own in one city?


Yep, Newark had at least 7 crews represented there.

Re: Most mobbed up city in USA [Re: Malavita] #1009626
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Originally Posted by Malavita
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They were probably a clan heavily into cocaine trafficking. There are Ndrangheta clans getting into cocaine trafficking (which they distribute in other parts of Europe) so they can feed the entire village.
If only 1/3 of the men aren't Ndrangheta members in that village, there's not much left to shake down lol


You're right, The Filadelfia locale is well known for his drug business. A few months ago, the police made a big bust against the Filadelfia Locale and they arrested 75 men.

Arresting 75 individuals at one time would be a major bust in a city like NYC but imagine the impact in a town that has around 5000 inhabitants. It tells you how mobbed-up that place is.


Yep, and that alone also shows the difference between a phenomenon like the Ndrangheta and other drug trafficking organizations in Western Europe.

In towns where the Ndrangheta holds sway, organized crime has been woven into the fabric of daily life. It's become a way of survival and earning a living, because other opportunities were always so scarce.

In for instance the Netherlands or Belgium on the other hand, people generally get into drug trafficking because they want the easy money and because they just want to "play gangster". That doesn't make them any less violent, but the difference is striking. No matter what background you're from, whether you're a Dutch, Belgian or Italian-Belgian guy from a blue collar community or a broken home or a Moroccan or Turkish guy from an ethnic enclave in a major city or a former mine worker's commune...there are ALWAYS plenty of other opportunities around to earn a decent living for yourself. Plenty of them got a shot at college and actually went to college...I should know. The thing is, most of these guys just become criminals because they want to live that way, not because they didn't get other opportunities.

That's that difference between actual "hunger" and just "lust".

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NYC.... hands down! Lol

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Im from the Newark area. There were a lot of mob guys but nothing compared to NYC.

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A previous expose I'd written I titled "Connecticut's Cosa Nostra Chaos" spoke to this very subject.

And although NYC and New Jersey have the reputation as the most 'mobbed up' city (or state), Connecticut was indeed among the most 'Wild West' type atmosphere for Cosa Nostra.

There were so many crews and individual mobsters active in the state that it indeed led to much chaos. Hence the name I picked for the title of the story. Read it some time. I think you guys will enjoy it immensely

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/2020/06/06/connecticut-mob/

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This is what happens when there is no central control system and one single "Capo Famiglia"


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