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Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: DillyDolly] #1009533
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Tobacco is legal, but there's still a killing to be made in selling untaxed cigarettes. Loans are legal, but not everyone can get loans from a payday loan place or a bank, and even those who can are oftentimes limited. Casinos are legal, but only in certain cities and states. The mob will always find a way to make money.


Definitely. Schemes involving untaxed cigarettes are a big time money maker. Same with missing trader frauds.

Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: OakAsFan] #1009572
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Originally Posted by DillyDolly
they can worm their way into key positions and exercise a stranglehold over industries.


How? Let's say someone in management susses out their "worming". And fires them. What do they do? That's where the street goons are useful. But you have to have cops on the take to look the other way. Otherwise the cops just arrest your street goons. I only see the Russians doing this today, and I think it's more political. Connected to elected officials over there. I've read about some weird shit going on in Florida. Russian mob, Putin, Russian biker gangs, cops looking the other way, etc.

It seems only the Genovese have it like that anymore when it comes to the Italian mob. Don't know how they do it but they seem to.



I think the way the mob has always gotten into key positions in companies or other organizations has been when owners or managers have big gambling or shylock debts. "Oh, you can't pay me the 10 thousand you owe? Well, maybe we can work something out. Put my friend here on the payroll and I'll stop charging interest". And it just goes downhill from there.

Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: JackieAprile] #1010299
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That's a good idea. Have their guys climb the corporate ladder and make decisions that line their pockets.

Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: Fleming_Ave] #1010306
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I know in Italy oftentimes Mafiosi are responsible for a wealthy businessman's success either through startup loans way back when or by frightening off or eliminating their competition and so their businesses basically become a piggy-bank for the Mafia.

Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: DillyDolly] #1010307
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
I know in Italy oftentimes Mafiosi are responsible for a wealthy businessman's success either through startup loans way back when or by frightening off or eliminating their competition and so their businesses basically become a piggy-bank for the Mafia.


Pretty sure you just explained Silvio Berlusconi, they are on another level, the system they use is superior IMO.


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Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: JackieAprile] #1010315
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Andreotti LOL.

Under the corrupt Christian Democratic governments from the 1950s to the early 1990s. Cosa Nostra has had influence with lawyers, financiers, and professionals; also it has had power and resources by bribing or pressuring politicians, judges and administrators. It has less of these now however it retains some influence.


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Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: Hollander] #1010319
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Cosa Nostra and Stidda still has an awful lot of influence with business and politics, I mean every time I turn around they're seizing the empire of some ultra-wealthy entrepreneur beholden to the Mafia.

Re: How can the NY Mafia modernize? [Re: JackieAprile] #1010323
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I think Matteo Messina Denaro being on the run for going on 3 decades now suggests that Cosa Nostra still has considerable political influence. Plus there's the disappearance of key witnesses in the State-Mafia investigation. Then Bernardo Provenzano wasn't captured until 2006, long after the early 1990s which many consider the Mafia's downfall. Of course the mob's most violent and vicious killers, those killing and bombing left and right are doomed, but other than that I don't think very much has changed.

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