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Why aren't more tapes available? #1009387
04/10/21 04:22 PM
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Given that for a lot of the more historical figures (Castellano, Ruggiero, Sonny Black, Henry Hill) most of the principal figures are long dead, why aren't more tapes publicly available?

You figure LITERALLY every single Nixon tape is available now. So why not for these guys?

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: JackieAprile] #1009483
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Because the FBI and other agencies do not like what is on the tapes. That is the only explanation.

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: JackieAprile] #1009525
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I'd love to hear the hours of tapes that were record in Big Paul's kitchen


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Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: JackieAprile] #1009531
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Ya I’ve always wondered that there’s a lot of New England tapes I’d love to hear like the ceremony in Medford

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: Cm] #1009535
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Generally, government agencies don't release tapes or other info used in criminal investigations unless you specifically ask for them--and you may have to sue under the Freedom of Information Act to get them. If the tapes or info were used in a trial (like Gotti's conversations in the apartment over the Ravenite in his last trial) then they're a matter of public record. You can get them as part of trial transcript that you have to pay for.


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Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: Cm] #1009548
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You can actually hear the ceremony look it up it’s on a providence tv website they have a espoused where they clean the video and you can hear it clear and I would spend days binging listening to angiulo tapes as well as patriaca tapes in the 60s the illegal one they had


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I’m going to have to check it out thanks for letting me know

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: JackieAprile] #1009562
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cameras aren't allowed in Fed Cases is the main reason. So other than leaking snippets to the media to help their cases they don't have an incentive to release the majority of them

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: JackieAprile] #1009568
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Originally Posted by JackieAprile
Given that for a lot of the more historical figures (Castellano, Ruggiero, Sonny Black, Henry Hill) most of the principal figures are long dead, why aren't more tapes publicly available?

You figure LITERALLY every single Nixon tape is available now. So why not for these guys?


Because the President affects everyone in the country and around the world. Anything a President says is more consequential than some wiseguys having a sitdown about figuring out what family some bookie belongs to.

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: JackieAprile] #1009581
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None of these tapes should be made available. In fact, they should all be destroyed immediately! These are private conversations among friends

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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
None of these tapes should be made available. In fact, they should all be destroyed immediately! These are private conversations among friends



I think if we the public heard them I think the opinion of the avg wiseguy would be completely different,fucking around on theyre wives beating the shit outta theyre kids and wives. Violent on edge people typically create violent on edge households,not all but most....

Elaine Smith the retired FBI agent said she sat on wiretaps and listened to Wiseguys for hours and she said there was no 2 sides with them only 1 and they were violent crude and beat the shit outta theyre kids and they’re wives and we’re constantly backstabbing one another and trolling to rob theryre friends and even shook down the local butcher for discounts on meats....

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1009625
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
None of these tapes should be made available. In fact, they should all be destroyed immediately! These are private conversations among friends



I think if we the public heard them I think the opinion of the avg wiseguy would be completely different,fucking around on theyre wives beating the shit outta theyre kids and wives. Violent on edge people typically create violent on edge households,not all but most....

Elaine Smith the retired FBI agent said she sat on wiretaps and listened to Wiseguys for hours and she said there was no 2 sides with them only 1 and they were violent crude and beat the shit outta theyre kids and they’re wives and we’re constantly backstabbing one another and trolling to rob theryre friends and even shook down the local butcher for discounts on meats....

I thought there was a rule that they had 2 shut off the listening if the matter @ hand wasn't mafia biz?..


I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1009656
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
None of these tapes should be made available. In fact, they should all be destroyed immediately! These are private conversations among friends



I think if we the public heard them I think the opinion of the avg wiseguy would be completely different,fucking around on theyre wives beating the shit outta theyre kids and wives. Violent on edge people typically create violent on edge households,not all but most....

Elaine Smith the retired FBI agent said she sat on wiretaps and listened to Wiseguys for hours and she said there was no 2 sides with them only 1 and they were violent crude and beat the shit outta theyre kids and they’re wives and we’re constantly backstabbing one another and trolling to rob theryre friends and even shook down the local butcher for discounts on meats....



I think she is a liar, if they had tapes of them saying they beat their wives and children those are the type of tapes they would release or leak to the media. No way they sit on those tapes, so she is lying. Even all the rats who have come forward who had mafia members as their fathers have never talked about beatings from parents. Those tapes are the the types they release, we want to see what is in the ones they hide.

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Were all the Declavacante tapes totally released, or what wound up in the book only excerpts that were played in the trial?

Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: jace] #1009663
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Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
None of these tapes should be made available. In fact, they should all be destroyed immediately! These are private conversations among friends



I think if we the public heard them I think the opinion of the avg wiseguy would be completely different,fucking around on theyre wives beating the shit outta theyre kids and wives. Violent on edge people typically create violent on edge households,not all but most....

Elaine Smith the retired FBI agent said she sat on wiretaps and listened to Wiseguys for hours and she said there was no 2 sides with them only 1 and they were violent crude and beat the shit outta theyre kids and they’re wives and we’re constantly backstabbing one another and trolling to rob theryre friends and even shook down the local butcher for discounts on meats....



I think she is a liar, if they had tapes of them saying they beat their wives and children those are the type of tapes they would release or leak to the media. No way they sit on those tapes, so she is lying. Even all the rats who have come forward who had mafia members as their fathers have never talked about beatings from parents. Those tapes are the the types they release, we want to see what is in the ones they hide.


Everyone is a liar except for child sex traffickers and wife beaters. Stop living in a fantasy

Last edited by Louiebynochi; 04/13/21 11:41 PM.

A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: jace] #1009664
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Originally Posted by jace
Were all the Declavacante tapes totally released, or what wound up in the book only excerpts that were played in the trial?



Tapes are thousands of hours do you know how many transcripts that actually is. Your talking tens of thousands of pages... since John Gotti was the wiseguys wizeguy you think he’s an anomaly and the only ones that talks like that. His kids claim how great he is. Those tapes of him in prison say otherwise(talking about Jews, threatening to beat up his 5 year old grandson ,saying being a ni**er is an embarrassment, threatening to kidnap an innocent women and kill her and stuff her 5 year old grandson in a barrel. Etc etc )


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Why aren't more tapes available? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1009665
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
None of these tapes should be made available. In fact, they should all be destroyed immediately! These are private conversations among friends



I think if we the public heard them I think the opinion of the avg wiseguy would be completely different,fucking around on theyre wives beating the shit outta theyre kids and wives. Violent on edge people typically create violent on edge households,not all but most....

Elaine Smith the retired FBI agent said she sat on wiretaps and listened to Wiseguys for hours and she said there was no 2 sides with them only 1 and they were violent crude and beat the shit outta theyre kids and they’re wives and we’re constantly backstabbing one another and trolling to rob theryre friends and even shook down the local butcher for discounts on meats....



I think she is a liar, if they had tapes of them saying they beat their wives and children those are the type of tapes they would release or leak to the media. No way they sit on those tapes, so she is lying. Even all the rats who have come forward who had mafia members as their fathers have never talked about beatings from parents. Those tapes are the the types they release, we want to see what is in the ones they hide.


Everyone is a liar except for child sex traffickers and wife beaters. Stop living in a fantasy


It's no fantasy that you use child abuse as a tool here any time you argue. You have said that me and NYMafia were child predators, you accuse people here of having supported child molestation, you claimed top wise guys were pimps pf kids, and now in a topic of why tapes are not released you go out of your way to bring up children being abused again, when it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Next is you searching for old indictments to post up, in order to cover that the only reason you come on here is to claim child abuse against everyone in crime. Bookies to bosses, you have them molesting kids.

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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by jace
Were all the Declavacante tapes totally released, or what wound up in the book only excerpts that were played in the trial?



Tapes are thousands of hours do you know how many transcripts that actually is. Your talking tens of thousands of pages... since John Gotti was the wiseguys wizeguy you think he’s an anomaly and the only ones that talks like that. His kids claim how great he is. Those tapes of him in prison say otherwise(talking about Jews, threatening to beat up his 5 year old grandson ,saying being a ni**er is an embarrassment, threatening to kidnap an innocent women and kill her and stuff her 5 year old grandson in a barrel. Etc etc )




So you prove my point, all those tapes but they efuse to release them Thousands of hours, and they only let out a few snippets of Gotti using the N word. They hold back hundreds of thousands of tapes from the public's nd release what they feel like.


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