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Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? #1009013
04/04/21 01:31 PM
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How come the commission didn't kill him? I read A Man of Honor years ago and dont remember a thing about it. Is it a fluff piece?

Does anyone know what businesses he was in out west? I think I heard farming somewhere. I'd take that to mean he bought or started some type of commercial operation, like a chicken farm or large dairy operation?

Wiki says he got in trouble with a California Cadillac dealer who became an informant. What scam was that about?

Allegedly an FBI agent orchestrated these bombings including Bonnanos home and was not charged. Is that believed to be true?

https://tucson-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/tucson.com/news/local/photos-bombings-in-tucson-in-1968/collection_fa15b1a8-05fb-11e8-af38-4791c65e8598.amp.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16175570188700&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ftucson.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fphotos-bombings-in-tucson-in-1968%2Fcollection_fa15b1a8-05fb-11e8-af38-4791c65e8598.html

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009032
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I think it's widely believed that if he left town and retired to Tucson his life would be spared. I think it was 1966 when his son was nearly killed in a shoot out and shortly there-after the clan moved to Tucson.

His Tucson property was a 3,000 cattle ranch but I bet he had plenty of money and maybe still some "tribute" being paid even after his exile.

Many people don't realize he was asked to testify in 1985 during the Commission Trial and instead served some time for contempt and was in jail


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Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009035
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He went out there and had a lot of money but kept it in legitimate businesses. Yes, the FBI did orchestrate a series of bombings set up to look like Bonanno and the mafia were behind it, when they were caught the bombers turned out to be a group on parole that head cut a deal with the FBI. I don't know if nay agents went to prison, I think they tried saying it was one agent on his own. Bill or Joe said in their book that when they saw a car pull away after a bomb was tossed at their home with a woman in the car they knew for sure it was not mafia related.

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009037
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Real estate, commercial property, still had cheese companies, two construction companies (a third belonged to his sons in San Jose, still had interests in Canada and Mexico, his Germany interests were gone when he moved to Arizona after his stroke. He was a silent partner with legitimate frontmen. He had a dairy operation, and an orchard in northern California. When his partners that he was still on good terms in other families began to died of old age, his shares were cut or their bosses did not recognize Joe Bonanno. He had well over 30 million in Canada when he died but Canada seized the money from going to his children. He was still into schemes, one of which he found out through a deal in a company he and Los Angeles member Dominic Brooklier involved in acquiring that Frank Bompensiero was an FBI informant.

Bonanno was not killed but his family crime family suffered a lot especially in the Garment, unions, and trucking industries.

The car dealership was a money laundering scheme which Bonanno was big in since he had a lot of money to hide, even after he left New York. It really was a genius plan, but Peters was someone the Bonannos missed judged. Bonanno nephew Jackie deserves some credit had caution when he had dealings with Lou Peter's, but the paperwork was his downfall. Joe trying to protect his son Salvatore from the IRS. The plan was for the Bonannos to use Peters as a legitimate frontman and help purchase a dozen other car dealerships in California to launder money.

The FBI Agent David Hale has never been arrested nor convicted in the Tuscon bombings.


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Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009038
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Originally Posted by alicecooper
How come the commission didn't kill him? I read A Man of Honor years ago and dont remember a thing about it. Is it a fluff piece?

As was said earlier: he cut a deal with the Commission to step down as head of his family and "retire" to Tucson in return for not being whacked. Not much of a concession on his part because very few members of his family were still loyal to him by that time.

"A Man of Honor" is a pretty good read. Of course Bonanno never admits to any crime--even jaywalking--after Prohibition (it's an autobiography, after all). But, his co-author (Bonanno's English was limited) is an elegant writer, and there are plenty of good stories in it. An irony: Bonanno provides the only extant description of the Commission's operations. When Rudy Giuliani was the US Attorney for the Southern District of NY, he read "A Man of Honor" and saw in Bonanno's description a perfect example of a "Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization" as defined in the RICO law. That lead to the Commission Case and the wholesale prosecution of Mob bosses all around the country.


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Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009041
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Joe Bonanno is a Mafia legend, but Tommy Lucchese is still my favorite. I wish Joe Bonanno never would've tried to go against Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchese. I imagine the Commission trial would've never taken place.

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: DillyDolly] #1009044
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Joe Bonanno is a Mafia legend, but Tommy Lucchese is still my favorite. I wish Joe Bonanno never would've tried to go against Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchese. I imagine the Commission trial would've never taken place.



Bonnano didn’t really factor into the commission trial that was all for publicity. The fbi was gearing up to indict the five families by 1979..And even without the commission trial Persico and them got decades for the Colombo indictments , Castellano and them were going away in the Gambino Hierarchy case that sent away Piney Armone and Joe Gallo. Tony Salerno and them were going away in the same trial that Neil Migliore got convicted as well as Vinny Dinapoli, Biff Halloran, Peanuts Tronolone who was the Consigliere of the Cleveland Family and Matty The Horse

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So the wiretap is fake?? Kenny Guarino isnt real? The thousands of pages of Fbi Files arent real?? The evidence found in DBs office of child porn and financial records tying him to it arent real? The live witnesses who are in there 50s now who describe being trafficked by DB arent real????


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Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1009057
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Good points, I don't really know why Rudy Giuliani credited A Man of Honor with the Commission case.

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009063
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I still don't get why they didn't kill him. Was it easier to get rid of him alive than create problems by killing him?

Wasn't what he did a 100% killing offense? And considering who these people were...what incentive was there to cut a deal with him?

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Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009085
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Originally Posted by alicecooper
I still don't get why they didn't kill him. Was it easier to get rid of him alive than create problems by killing him?

Wasn't what he did a 100% killing offense? And considering who these people were...what incentive was there to cut a deal with him?



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Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: Binnie_Coll] #1009086
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bonnano was one of, if no the oldest don, going back to maranzano, you just don't hit a guy like that.



" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009092
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The two best things Joe Bonanno ever did in his life was to promote his son to consigliere and attempt to have Carlo and Tommy hit. If he hadn't done those things, he would've stayed boss and gone down in the commission case, paying millions in legal fees and ultimately dying in prison. Instead, he died an old filthy rich free man in Arizona.

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1009109
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There's no proof that he would've went down in the Commission case, had he not have done that Mafia history would've been much different. And paying legal fees is stupid, especially in the millions, unless you have a good case. I'd rather keep that money and take my chances with a court-appointed attorney, especially when they have tapes of me ranting on blowing millions of dollars is pointless.

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009123
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Joe Bonanno would have gone down by 1971 by the law. He would never have made it to the commission case. Him retiring and moving permanently to Arizona is what saved him from the full strength of the law.


"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #1009124
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Hello Giacomo,
I agree and far as the Feds I don't trust them any farther then I could throw one .

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #1009127
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There's absolutely no proof that he would've went down in 1971, you're speculating. To say something would've absolutely happened is fucking laughable.

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009149
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Not when you take into account of what NYPD, state, and feds were looking into. Him moving and retiring actually saved him, cause the gears shifted to Paul Sciacca. Just because they was a war doesn't mean these guys were not in and out of court. The wiretaps were also gold mines. New evidence was coming to light after Joe Bonanno had retired after a year, but the city prosecutors viewed Joe Bonanno out of sight and out of mind when he moved to Arizona. Now the feds on the other had may have made a deal with Bill Bonanno, in that his father would not be arrested if Bill gave information, but that is speculation.


"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009189
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Here's a link of Sammy the Bull talking about Joe Bananas once he got shipped to Phoenix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htS9t1gRMyQ

Re: Joe Bonnano in Tucson, Arizona? [Re: alicecooper] #1009198
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Joseph Bonanno first visited Arizona in 1942, I think he felt in love with it very soon after and lived there till his death in 2002 pretty amazing.

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What were the Bonannos doing in the garment industry? Didn't Joe own a piece of it, almost as much as the Lukes?

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Yep Joe Bonanno had several legitimate businesses, including three coat manufacturing companies, laundries, cheese suppliers, funeral homes, and a trucking company.


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