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Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit
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Over the past month, I have been thoroughly researching the Kansas City underworld. What I found totally intrigued me. “The Outfit†as it is widely known, had been at the very forefront of police and political corruption, government infiltration, and casino skimming, for many decades. And that’s not even addressing their near total monolithic control over racket operations in the city and it’s outlying territories. So buckle up folks! Because you’re in for a wild ride! And now, without further ado.....The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri! https://thenewyorkmafia.com/2021/02/05/kansas-city-mob/PS: It worked out real nice. Lol... because this weekend for the Super Bowl its the KC Chiefs vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I highlighted the "Chief" of the KC Outfit. Enjoy!
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/11/21 08:05 PM
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Kansas City is not alive
There is only between 4-10 made guys still alive from KC and all of them are ancient.
The FBI and just about every credible reporter/insider maintains that their are only 9 families left active.
Outside of New York the remaining four are
Chicago
New England
Philly
Jersey
The only two families still somewhat up in the air are Detroit and Buffalo
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/11/21 08:18 PM
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There may be some remnants left still active but Scott Burnstein stated this in 2015
“The Italian mafia in Kansas City is a small, quiet crime family, probably on its’ last legs with only a few loose remnants of a time when the syndicate operated on a much larger scale and held national prominence decades ago, per exclusive Gangster Report sources. These sources place membership in the K.C. mob at “a dozen people or less†and claim its rackets mostly consist of gambling and loan sharking.â€
There probably is a few old guys still making a bit of money in KC but it’s far from a serious family
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/12/21 03:01 PM
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Well if you notice fellas, I list approximately 25-30 or so members AND "associates".... thats very plausible to me.
Because if you have even 5-8 formal members or so left over. Each typically has a few "associates" who are around them. So my total of 25-30 total affiliates starts to make sense no?
I am sure they are not 100% dead. But have one foot in the grave. So a small handful of members, coupled with 2-3 associates each is viable IMO The list you made would indicate a highly structured organization with an administration, several captains and made guys. Nowhere else is this being reported by anyone credible, the organization you listed would be on par with what's left of Chicago. There hasn't been a mob investigation in Kansas City in over 11 years and even then it was reported that it was just a handful of old fucks with some gambling operations.
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/12/21 04:30 PM
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Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)Louie are you from K.C.?
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/16/21 12:46 PM
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Over the past month, I have been thoroughly researching the Kansas City underworld. What I found totally intrigued me. “The Outfit†as it is widely known, had been at the very forefront of police and political corruption, government infiltration, and casino skimming, for many decades. And that’s not even addressing their near total monolithic control over racket operations in the city and it’s outlying territories. So buckle up folks! Because you’re in for a wild ride! And now, without further ado.....The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri! https://thenewyorkmafia.com/2021/02/05/kansas-city-mob/PS: It worked out real nice. Lol... because this weekend for the Super Bowl its the KC Chiefs vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I highlighted the "Chief" of the KC Outfit. Enjoy! really awesome podcast on Apple with 2 guys from the KC area and they discuss the mafia in general called gangland wire really cool show
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/16/21 01:16 PM
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Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)Louie are you from K.C.? New York and South Florida buddy....
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/18/21 06:00 AM
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Was Binaggio well respected as a don? At the beginning yes he was, but he was doubled crossed by Forrest Smith. Binaggio made the mistake of putting all his eggs in one basket. His gambling plans did not fall through, he could not pay back the loans that Charles Fischetti of Chicago, Joe Adonis of the Genoveses, and there was one more, maybe Frank Costello, and it had cost some of the members in his own family a nice chunck of cash. Despite what some will say, the hit came from within his own family, I am sure Chicago, St. Louis, and New York did not need to convince the shooters to kill Binaggio and his enforcer.
"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/21/21 02:39 AM
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Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)There is very little activity going on, there is not a formal family, you have what amounts to a small crew operating. there are not 15 made members remaining active on the streets.
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Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri
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02/21/21 02:56 AM
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Although Cosa Nostra is on the ropes nationwide today, and many of the smaller Families have indeed become extinct. It seems that the Kansas City Outfit is in the enviable position of still maintaining a functioning borgata.
As late as the early 2000s, mob historians and law enforcement reported the Kansas City mob as still active. Here is a known membership list of their small, but operational rank and file:
Johnny Joe Sciortino - semi retired resides in AZ
Peter Sciortino - Underboss but the last name is Simone
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Vincent Civella -
James Moretina -
Peter Ribaste - there are no capos
William Cammisano Jr. -
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Joseph Barletta IN ACTIVE
ohn Calia DEAD
Gerard Cammisano HIS NAME IS GERLARMO NOT GERARD
Carlo Cavallaro CRAZE IS DEAD
Anthony Chiavola Jr. DEAD
Carmen Civella NOT IN THE LIFE
John Cuezze
Frank DeLuna
Richard DeLuna DEAD
James Di Capo DEAD
John Mandacina IN PRISON
Joseph Mandacina
Benjamin Palmentere IN ACTIVE
Eugene Picone IN ACTIVE
Vincent Pisciotta IN PRISON 30 YEARS
Joseph Ragusa RAGS IS DEAD
Louis Ribaste LOUIE HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS
Anthony Sansone ASSOCIATE
Michael Sansone ASSOCIATE
Samuel Scardino INACTIVE
Samuel Sciortino NEVER IN THE LIFE
Anthony Simone INACTIVE
Philip Simone big phil is dead little phil not involvec
John Termini very old associate.
you forgot
Joe Viglituro
john Ribaste died this year
Micheal Lombardo dead
Paul Varsalona {made} died
Tony Conforti dead
Pat Obrien dead
Paul Silvio active
Joe Pete Simone
Toiny Civella Jr.
Chuck Ponti Dead
Dominic Scola
Sal Begulia
Mike Badaluca
Joe Moretina
Mark Sorrentino IN prison 20 years
Sorry but this chart needs serious updating
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There are also most probably members and associates who are still unknown to law enforcement.
Thank you
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Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit
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02/21/21 01:10 PM
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http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...p;Board=8&main=20903&type=threadCammisano, William Jr. "Little Willie" capo son of William born around 1948 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City Civella, Vincent "Vince" capo son of Anthony involved in illegal gambling and sports betting born around 1956 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City LaBruzzo, Nicholas "Nick" soldier owner of Chubby's Bar-B-Q reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City Mandacina, John soldier involved in illegal gambling and bookmaking sentenced to life in prison on September 7, 1993 born around 1948 in Kansas City reported to b e still alive and in prison Moretina, James soldier son of Charles became a made member in 1989 co-owner of Be Amused Vending & Amusement Company born around 1949 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City Palmentere, Benjamin "Ben" soldier owner of Palmentere Brothers Distributing Company born around 1951 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Gladstone, MO Ribaste, Peter Joseph "Pete" soldier became a made member in 1989 owner of Totally Nude Temptations Strip Club born on September 29, 1954 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City Sciortino, John Joseph "Johnny Joe" became the boss after the death of Tony Civella in 2006 born around 1942 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City Simone, Anthony "Tony" soldier owner of the Necco Coffee Company born around 1945 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City Simone, Peter Joseph "Las Vegas Pete" underboss cousin of Anthony involved in illegal gambling and sports betting born around 1945 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City 10 made men left.
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Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit
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02/22/21 06:01 PM
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I don't doubt that there may be a few of these fellas left over. Similar to many cities where there was once a major Cosa Nostra presence.
Not a full blown family. Maybe not even a full blow regime or crew. But quite possibly a few stragglers still plying their trade of booking sports, or running a card game or two.
One to two made members (or not). Or possibly a few mob associates still trying to earn a few.
99% of these secondary locations where organized crime once thrived still have some smoke smoldering in the shadows. But are they a real "presence?" probably not
Heres articles from a few years ago
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2012/10/11/hereford-house-witnesses-have-ties-to.html
At a Tuesday hearing, prosecutors said they wanted to delay disclosure of two witnesses until the night before they testify. The motion makes it clear why: The witnesses fear for their safety.
It says they will receive money to relocate from Kansas City after their testimony.
According to the filing, the FBI believes “that Vincent Pisciotta is a ‘made member’ of the Kansas City LCN and that Mark Sorrentino is a close associate of that criminal enterprise.â€
“LCN†refers to La Cosa Nostra, another name for the Mafia.
https://www.columbiatribune.com/article/20141119/News/311199887
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdmo/pr/kc-man-sentenced-stealing-330000-atms
"From 2011 through 2013, Civella owned and operated a company called C Management Group, LLC, which serviced 35 ATMs in the Kansas City, Mo., metropolitan area. The money in the ATMs belonged to U.S. Bank. Civella stole $330,040 from the ATMs by obtaining a maintenance code to access the machines. Civella moved money between the ATM machines in order to conceal the theft."
This is from 2010 in the Sports betting and Fencing stolen property pleas...11 witnesses were cited for contempt for refusing to testify and spent over 1500 days total in custody....
https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/mow/news2010/cammisano.sen.html
These were the defendants and their ages
Gerlarmo Cammisano, also known as “Jerry,†57,
Vincent F. Civella, 53
Michael C. Sansone, 31
Anthony V. Sansone, 28
Michael V. Badalucco, 27
Charles J. Simone, 26
James J. Moretina, 61
William D. Cammisano, Jr., also known as “Willie,†61
Michael J. Lombardo, 55,
James L. Dicapo, also known as “Jimmy,†58
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