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Earlier history of the Montreal Mafia before 2004 #918413
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After not finding any existing thread that covers this topic, I decided to create this thread.

I am hoping posters can post in this thread any blog posts, websites, organization charts, etc. that relate in any way to the Montreal Mafia, its members, associates, activities, and interactions before 2004--I've stipulated "before 2004" because Vito Rizzuto was arrested in January of that year.

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Re: Earlier history of the Montreal Mafia before 2004 [Re: antimafia] #918414
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I'll get the ball rolling by posting a link to a French-language blog post dated yesterday (August 13, 2017). The blog post concerns the shocking triple murder in 1971 at the Casa Loma establishment in Montreal, in particular Jos Di Maulo's involvement and his testimony.

Link:

https://historiquementlogique.com/2017/08/13/casa-loma-le-temoignage-de-jos-di-maulo-13/

Based on the headline on the above page, there may be two more blog posts forthcoming on this subject. Stay tuned.

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http://coolopolis.blogspot.ca/2007/12/scenes-from-main.html

1971's Casa Loma massacre: three murdered in a downtown bar

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The Riviera - Montreal mobsters' phony drive-in theatre

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Montreal murder investigations: why four famous cases went unsolved: Shoofey, Leithman, Bravo and a shemale duo

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Below is a link to a PDF of CECO's 1976 report La lutte au crime organisé au Québec : Commission de police du Québec : rapport d'enquête sur le crime organisé et recommandations. "CECO" was the initialism for Commission d'enquête sur le crime organisé, which was established in 1972. The English name for CECO was "Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime." This PDF is 419 pages; the file size is 37.5 MB.

https://www.ceic.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Fichiers_client/centre_documentaire/CEIC-R-2401.pdf

Should I ever find a PDF of the English-language counterpart report -- The fight against organized crime in Québec: Québec Police Commission: report of the Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime and Recommendations -- I will post a link in this thread.

For those of you who, like me, can muddle through French and are interested in the discussion in the 1970s about whether the Montreal Mafia / Cotroni-Violi organization was its own distinct "family," look at the report pages 97–109 of the file (look at the report pages, not the PDF page number). You might also consider some of the information in those pages to be support for the argument that Paolo Violi and Nick Rizzuto Sr. were members of the Bonanno Family in New York, not members of the 'ndrangheta and Sicilian Cosa Nostra respectively.

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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Below is a link to a PDF of CECO's 1976 report La lutte au crime organisé au Québec : Commission de police du Québec : rapport d'enquête sur le crime organisé et recommandations. "CECO" was the initialism for Commission d'enquête sur le crime organisé, which was established in 1972. The English name for CECO was "Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime." This PDF is 419 pages; the file size is 37.5 MB.

https://www.ceic.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Fichiers_client/centre_documentaire/CEIC-R-2401.pdf


Should I ever find a PDF of the English-language counterpart report -- The fight against organized crime in Québec: Québec Police Commission: report of the Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime and Recommendations -- I will post a link in this thread.

For those of you who, like me, can muddle through French and are interested in the discussion in the 1970s about whether the Montreal Mafia / Cotroni-Violi organization was its own distinct "family," look at the report pages 97–109 of the file (look at the report pages, not the PDF page number). You might also consider some of the information in those pages to be support for the argument that Paolo Violi and Nick Rizzuto Sr. were members of the Bonanno Family in New York, not members of the 'ndrangheta and Sicilian Cosa Nostra respectively.


I agree that they were members of the Bonanno family and there is no dispute about that but I also believe they were members of the Ndrangheta and Sicilian mafia respectively.

Re: Earlier history of the Montreal Mafia before 2004 [Re: Ciment] #918540
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Originally Posted By: Ciment
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Below is a link to a PDF of CECO's 1976 report La lutte au crime organisé au Québec : Commission de police du Québec : rapport d'enquête sur le crime organisé et recommandations. "CECO" was the initialism for Commission d'enquête sur le crime organisé, which was established in 1972. The English name for CECO was "Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime." This PDF is 419 pages; the file size is 37.5 MB.

https://www.ceic.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Fichiers_client/centre_documentaire/CEIC-R-2401.pdf


Should I ever find a PDF of the English-language counterpart report -- The fight against organized crime in Québec: Québec Police Commission: report of the Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime and Recommendations -- I will post a link in this thread.

For those of you who, like me, can muddle through French and are interested in the discussion in the 1970s about whether the Montreal Mafia / Cotroni-Violi organization was its own distinct "family," look at the report pages 97–109 of the file (look at the report pages, not the PDF page number). You might also consider some of the information in those pages to be support for the argument that Paolo Violi and Nick Rizzuto Sr. were members of the Bonanno Family in New York, not members of the 'ndrangheta and Sicilian Cosa Nostra respectively.


I agree that they were members of the Bonanno family and there is no dispute about that but I also believe they were members of the Ndrangheta and Sicilian mafia respectively.


I don't think each was simultaneously a made member in two secret societies. Assuming that both were made in Italy--and that in itself is a very big assumption--they would have required permission to transfer to the Bonanno Family.

Violi and Rizzuto Sr. were some of the most well-connected Canadian mafiosi ever; so while I think that they were inducted into the Bonanno Family at some point after arriving and settling in Canada, we also know that their careers were enhanced by very important respective connections to the 'ndrangheta and Sicilian Cosa Nostra.

This thread is as good a place as any to discuss whether dual membership exists or is possible, especially because the debate often comes up in relation to members of Canadian mafia groups.

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Agreed with antimafia. For a long time I thought that the Rizzutos had dual membership, but I no longer believe that. However, Rizzuto, Sr. was active for many years in the Mafia in Sicily before he went to Canada and he was married into Mafia royalty. I still think it is likely that he was already a made member when he went overseas and then transfered over to the Bonannos. His son Vito was without a doubt made into the Bonanno family.

When the mob war in Montreal reached its height I was saving up every article about it and also some of earlier years as I recall. But it will be quite thin compared to what is available now. Information on the internet was still limited in the early 2000s. At some point I stopped keeping up with it so I have very few articles saved of the more recent conflict.


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Violi murder:

http://www.myvirtualpaper.com/doc/toromagazine/toro-2003-apr-may/2009112001/87.html#86

Mafia Unity Drive Begins:

http://www.nicaso.com/pages/doc_page51.html

If you play with the numbers in the url you can get more articles of Nicaso.


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Originally Posted By: antimafia
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Below is a link to a PDF of CECO's 1976 report La lutte au crime organisé au Québec : Commission de police du Québec : rapport d'enquête sur le crime organisé et recommandations. "CECO" was the initialism for Commission d'enquête sur le crime organisé, which was established in 1972. The English name for CECO was "Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime." This PDF is 419 pages; the file size is 37.5 MB.

https://www.ceic.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/Fichiers_client/centre_documentaire/CEIC-R-2401.pdf


Should I ever find a PDF of the English-language counterpart report -- The fight against organized crime in Québec: Québec Police Commission: report of the Commission of Inquiry on Organized Crime and Recommendations -- I will post a link in this thread.

For those of you who, like me, can muddle through French and are interested in the discussion in the 1970s about whether the Montreal Mafia / Cotroni-Violi organization was its own distinct "family," look at the report pages 97–109 of the file (look at the report pages, not the PDF page number). You might also consider some of the information in those pages to be support for the argument that Paolo Violi and Nick Rizzuto Sr. were members of the Bonanno Family in New York, not members of the 'ndrangheta and Sicilian Cosa Nostra respectively.


I agree that they were members of the Bonanno family and there is no dispute about that but I also believe they were members of the Ndrangheta and Sicilian mafia respectively.


I don't think each was simultaneously a made member in two secret societies. Assuming that both were made in Italy--and that in itself is a very big assumption--they would have required permission to transfer to the Bonanno Family.

Violi and Rizzuto Sr. were some of the most well-connected Canadian mafiosi ever; so while I think that they were inducted into the Bonanno Family at some point after arriving and settling in Canada, we also know that their careers were enhanced by very important respective connections to the 'ndrangheta and Sicilian Cosa Nostra.

This thread is as good a place as any to discuss whether dual membership exists or is possible, especially because the debate often comes up in relation to members of Canadian mafia groups.


I agree with you there have been previous discussion as to whether dual membership is even possible. Not to say either one of us is right or wrong. I am one of those who believes it exist.
All these Mafia/Ndrangheta families are always in constant competition with one another. It is inconceivable for one to leave a secret society in order to join another if not for a valid reason. Rizzuto sr. married into it and Paolo father was a capo in the hometown where they come from and married Luppino's daughter also a capo's daughter.
It is my belief that in both cases it was done for purpose of expanding their network. I also firmly believe that in both cases, although they were members of MTL mafia, their true loyalty lies with the secret society they originated from.

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Re: Earlier history of the Montreal Mafia before 2004 [Re: Sonny_Black] #918546
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Sonny_Black's post (two posts back) reminded me of a series of articles Nicaso wrote for the Italian-Canadian newspaper of which he was editor-in-chief, the Corriere Canadese.

An English translation of his June 24, 2001 profile of Paolo Violi appeared in Tandem News, which was a free hard-copy sister publication to the Corriere Canadese. The Tandem News article also appeared online, as did the original Italian article.

Link below is to my Evernote item.

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/sh/0...5ac623b1ad76571

The item lists the original online URLs for the English-language article that appeared on both the tandemnews.ca and corriere.com sites. I have been unable to find these articles on WayBack Machine / Internet Archive.

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I know that Vito stop paying tribute to the Bonanno's and basically broke apart.

What I do wonder is, how did the Bonanno's get their drugs into the U.S. with tried and tested, long established, port of entry from Canada?

I assume, that Vito said, I ain't paying you another dime but you can still use Canada as an access point OR, Vito told Big Joey, now you will pay me!

Anyone know about this?

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Agreed with antimafia. For a long time I thought that the Rizzutos had dual membership, but I no longer believe that. However, Rizzuto, Sr. was active for many years in the Mafia in Sicily before he went to Canada and he was married into Mafia royalty. I still think it is likely that he was already a made member when he went overseas and then transfered over to the Bonannos. His son Vito was without a doubt made into the Bonanno family.

When the mob war in Montreal reached its height I was saving up every article about it and also some of earlier years as I recall. But it will be quite thin compared to what is available now. Information on the internet was still limited in the early 2000s. At some point I stopped keeping up with it so I have very few articles saved of the more recent conflict.


I used to save articles too. Some date back to the early 70's. I still have them somewhere in my basement.

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Thats a good violi article and it states perfectly you must be released from the sicilian family and inducted into the north american family probaly clears up alot of shit with the cherry hill gambinos and alot of the boanannos who came over in the 60tys n 70tys galante probaly inducted them here. Now according to sal vitale who i hope writes a book said around 2000 he met with vito in montreal who said there was 20 inducted members in there crew and there all equals and nick should be the capo. Factor cousins and brothers nephew they probaly had 100 guys for rizzuto crew some probaly real old. Also read mike scars say how even thou 18th street in brooklyn was heavily us made guys there was alot of made guys from over there and they all got along. There kids became members of the gambinos. Think once vito went to prison the others crews did a hostil takeover.

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Massino there boss for almlst 20yrs coming out as a rat probaly pushed it over the edge and all the other crews outside of rizzuto seen it as a sighn.

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If vito was able to do his time in Canada i bet this would never have happend. Once he was extradited to brooklyn it was on. I bet everyone thought he was gonna get life to 10 yrs was a gift for his life of crime. What did he do 7 8 or did he really do flat 10. They did send him to florence Colorado which ive never read or heard of for a guy doing that little of time. He was credited with like 4 yrs when he was sentenced to 10. Looking back i wonder how they indicted him for mlre recent crimes the murders happend 30 yrs before why he didnt try the withdrawal defense.

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CANADIAN GANGS SAID TO SEIZE MAJOR ROLE IN FLORIDA RACKETS

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/27/us/can...?pagewanted=all


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Originally Posted By: antimafia
I'll get the ball rolling by posting a link to a French-language blog post dated yesterday (August 13, 2017). The blog post concerns the shocking triple murder in 1971 at the Casa Loma establishment in Montreal, in particular Jos Di Maulo's involvement and his testimony.

Link:

https://historiquementlogique.com/2017/08/13/casa-loma-le-temoignage-de-jos-di-maulo-13/

Based on the headline on the above page, there may be two more blog posts forthcoming on this subject. Stay tuned.


Below is the link to part two.

https://historiquementlogique.com/2017/08/20/casa-loma-le-temoignage-de-jos-di-maulo-23/amp/

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Thanks for posting this.

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http://quebec.huffingtonpost.ca/pierre-d..._b_5711181.html

The discreet godfather: life and career of Vincenzo Cotroni

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Bad Meat and other scandals: when the CECO targets the mafia

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Vic Cotroni’s favourite steakhouse in Montreal is likely closing down for good — I’m thinking that the hiatus mentioned in the article will be permanent.

Moishes steakhouse leaves its storied home on The Main
Move to Victoria Square on hold
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/moishes-steakhouse-st-laurent-the-main-1.5691919

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Notorious gangster sues prison to visit his dying wife but turned away despite 'heart-wrenching consequences'

https://nationalpost.com/news/notor...way-despite-heart-wrenching-consequences

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Although Stephen Metelsky’s recent online presentation suggested that Gaetano Panepinto was a made guy, there was no indication into what American LCN Family Panepinto was inducted.

How Toronto’s ‘Discount Casket Guy’ crossed the ’Ndrangheta and fell out with notorious mob boss Vito Rizzuto

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ith-notorious-mob-boss-vito-rizzuto.html

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Il y a 50 ans, la CECO

Viande avariée, jeu illégal et relations politiques : la mafia sur la sellette.
« Vous ne connaissez pas ce que veut dire mafia ? ».

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...-politiques-la-mafia-sur-la-sellette.php

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