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John Alite #1002376
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I’ve not heard this guy say he was particularly connected with John Gotti sir and his story is interesting...

I’ve heard him admit to a lot of baseball batting’s and shootings, and I don’t think he’s lying.

Anybody think he hasn’t killed or done what he says he’s done? I’d like to hear something specifically surrounding this that’s untrue...

Specifics, rather than hearsay please....

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If I’m wrong, fair play!

Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002381
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Re: John Alite [Re: Kese] #1002390
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Originally Posted by Kese123


lol no fan of alite but that site is such garbage. If theres a guy more full of shit than that rat piece of shit it's Chris Kasparoza

Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002418
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Alite claims he had 30 cops on his payroll, and knee about the big Paul hit before it happened. He's also always claiming bodies and crimes he didn't claim when he became an informant. I believe he admitted to being involved in three murders. Now days he says he killed 12+ guys. Wouldn't these extra murders be prosecutable, with there being no statue of limitations on murder?

Re: John Alite [Re: GerryLang] #1002419
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Originally Posted by GerryLang
Alite claims he had 30 cops on his payroll, and knee about the big Paul hit before it happened. He's also always claiming bodies and crimes he didn't claim when he became an informant. I believe he admitted to being involved in three murders. Now days he says he killed 12+ guys. Wouldn't these extra murders be prosecutable, with there being no statue of limitations on murder?


Most of the rats trying to make a buck tend to exaggerate their stories afterwards. Alite did dirt, no doubt about it, but these days most certainly he's blowing shit out of proportion because his shit has to sell. These guys are grifters and that's what they'll always be.

Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002427
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He claims at 21-22 he was Taking in millions in action from the mets? He got so big he had to oattner with Willie Boy Johnson at 21-22??
I do believe he knew Willie Boy.

Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002428
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They did ask him how old willie boy was then and he said 30,35. Willie boy was in his 50s then...
TheNY Mets story is exaggerated by him..It wasn’t the Mets,it was a trainer for the Mets and he didn’t have enough money to cover all the action,this is when he was supposedly making millions..he was Jrs guy in drugs in the 80s to a degree.He framed Junior on the murders..listen to him talking about killing the one guy w the cop,he even said it was spur of the moment..but at trial he testified Jr ordered it...Alite was a street legend in his area and spent the 90s robbing drug dealers.. but he was chased in 1991 that’s a a fact. And the main reason was alite was too gangster for Jr and couldn’t be controlled

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002429
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acketeering trial Monday, said he obtained $32,000 in credit from Gotti's alleged Mafia syndicate in the 1980s by claiming to be placing bets for the team's famous first baseman, Keith Hernandez, the New York Post reported.

Deluca said he was desperate enough at one point to ask Hernandez for a loan, and the Mets star allegedly came through with $7,000. But instead of giving it to Gotti, Deluca testified he blew the money in Atlantic City, N.J., casinos. He said Gotti's right-hand man, John Alite, allegedly broke Deluca's nose when he discovered the baseball star wasn't backing the debts and then brought Gotti to Deluca's house to meet with his parents.

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002430
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Alite was too gangster for JR because Alite was robbing drug dealers? Was Alite too gangster for Chin Gigante because Chin controlled unions while Alite was out robbing drug dealers?
I noticed a common denominator. All these so called gangsters that became cooperators all engaged in violent robberies. Alite, Bath avenue, Gianinni crew, Gene Borello.

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Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002432
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Alite plead guilty to six murders, I believe. He was a beast in the street, but like all rats he does like to exaggerate. Was he around Willie Boy and all those guys' Yeah he was. He was even around Danny Pagano

Re: John Alite [Re: Kese] #1002441
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Originally Posted by Kese123


John sr. would be embarrassed if he were alive to see Junior making websites to trash his enemy's because he's too afraid to take the guy on in person !!

Alite hanging out in clubs in Queens ?? That must really piss of Junior, and all he can do about it is post garbage on a website...

The guy is pushing 60 years old and still acts like a teenager !!

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Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002446
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Definitely a tough guy more than capable of handling himself. Yes people feared him he had an extremely violent crew around him. Funny he’s not hiding and everyone talking smack would $hit themselves around him years ago. You don’t have to be Italian to have a good rep at handling yourself.


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Originally Posted by Lilange
Definitely a tough guy more than capable of handling himself. Yes people feared him he had an extremely violent crew around him. Funny he’s not hiding and everyone talking smack would $hit themselves around him years ago. You don’t have to be Italian to have a good rep at handling yourself.


Well said. Talk to anybody in the street and theyll tell you the same thing. I don't agree with what he did but he was who he was.

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John Alite claims he was a good friend of John Gotti Sr in his recent video. I think he's exaggerating because he's not being able to mention details about his social life with Sr.

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I think this guy is 90% full of shit, he claims he was so tight with Sr that he slept on his couch, I don't believe I have seen
A single pic of this guy with any of the Gotti crew or him at any of the Social clubs.


Yeah, Little Pussy. You think he's going to fuck with Big Pussy? My Pussy? Tony Soprano, 1999
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Originally Posted by Stugotz
I think this guy is 90% full of shit, he claims he was so tight with Sr that he slept on his couch, I don't believe I have seen
A single pic of this guy with any of the Gotti crew or him at any of the Social clubs.


He was def close with the Gottis. Talk to street guys about him. Mikey Scars and Sammy Gravano knew him both, and they're Brooklyn guys

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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
Originally Posted by Stugotz
I think this guy is 90% full of shit, he claims he was so tight with Sr that he slept on his couch, I don't believe I have seen
A single pic of this guy with any of the Gotti crew or him at any of the Social clubs.


He was def close with the Gottis. Talk to street guys about him. Mikey Scars and Sammy Gravano knew him both, and they're Brooklyn guys


Gravano didn’t mention him once in his 302s and The only mention of him in Mikey Scars 302s was that he was in Jrs crew and Chased in 1991


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002498
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Thats why i scratch my head. If Alite was so significant, why didnt Gravano ever mention him? Why was he chased out of NYC in 1991 ?
My issue with Alite isnt that he coolerated and testified at numnerous trials, its all the low blows. There is no reason for him to constantly mention JR Gotti and bad mouth him. Does he actually think Gotti Jr is going to come after him and fight him all the time, its childish and Its ridiculous. Also what Alite said about Victoria Gotti during the trial.. I truly believe Alite lied just to get under Jr Gotti’s skin and i wonder if the government pushed him to do that.
As far as Alite being more gangster than Gotti Jr??? While Gotti Jr was doing 6 years in prison he was on the phone with his childrens school and talking with their teachers. When he was released, he left the mob and made sure he was a good father to his kids. Thats gangster !
What did Alite do with his kids?
I think he was probably a tough kid and he had balls, but that doesnt make him more gangster than a guy that controlls a union.

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Re: John Alite [Re: fergie] #1002503
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He was a lowly associate who was largely utilized as a crash dummy by John Jr., and other "members." I'm sure when he was active he was well thought of by those associates. He does sound like he was a tough kid who would eagerly go and bat a guy, or perform other tasks as ordered. But he was no "star."

He was an Albanian from the neighborhood who's biggest clan to fame was dealing various drugs in order to make a living. He DIDN'T operate large lucrative gambling or shylock networks. He wasn't an overly intelligent and savvy hood who was being "groomed" for bigger things. He didn't operate at higher, more sophisticated levels in white collar type big money rackets. He was what he was. A tough kid who often acted without thinking for his own motives and those of Jr., and others, and operated at a "street level." He wasn't;t into legitimate business ventures, etc.

There is value in that. Guys like him may be a dime a dozen, but they are also needed to grease the wheels of the borgata. The more savvy goodfellas are not looking to pick up a bat and go out and whack somebody when they have guys around them like him to do it. Likewise, they don't encourage their sons and nephews to do it unless it's an extreme circumstance and cannot be helped.

Why should they? Thats why you have "position" in the first place. So you can send guys like this out to do it for you. It's called hierarchy.

And I agree with several posters on here who stated that it sounds like "sour grapes" on Alite's part that he continues this "babyish" tit-for-tat dialogue going about Gotti and his relationship. It's all petty trash talk. Hardly becoming the former "street guy" that he supposedly was.

When somebody talks that way incessantly, its gotta make you wonder what was really going on behind the scenes.


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Re: John Alite [Re: Louiebynochi] #1002698
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Alite was feared because he was part of Jr's crew.

Jr was so feared because of Sr.

That's the beginning, middle and end.

If Alite, wasn't aligned with Jr. by default/Sr.

He would have been just a street thug with balls, in Italian ghetto's street thugs with balls were a dime a dozen. They use a guy like him to pull the trigger call him in to congratulate him and snuff him out and put him in a trunk.

Nobody is going after any rats in 2021 not because Alite is so tuff, because they are scared of the heat.

His only worry would be some wanna be that wants to make a name for themselves.

Nobody on the admin of the Gambino family gives two shits about Alite. Simply put "He ain't worth the bullet"

N.Y. Mafia hit it on the head he was a lowly associate that's it.


It's funny I can tell you there were so many Alites, roaming the streets of Bensohhurst back in the day.... Walking around doing the enforcement work for the family...

Every crew had a few.

Yes they were scary, yes they were real- deal tuff guys to the average citizen...

When they came up against someone who was someone, they fell in line, or their body was dumped in th streets, for all the other "TUFF GUYS" to see.

A bunch of guys that were enforcers have written book however, they were more truthful about their status.

) Andrew DiDionati
Larry Mazza
Gunner Lindbloom
Louis Farante

These guys are more truthful about their status as associates/enforcers for the family.

Alite is re-writing history.

He said on pod-cast recently that he was privy to info about the Castallno hit, that Sammy, didnt know about

He then went on to say that no one was charged with Castellano's murder.

Well no one except for Gotti Sr. that is.

That's how close Alite was with Sr. that he didn't know what he was convicted of.

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Peter zuccaros trial testimony from the Vinny Asaro Trial


A When I first came home in 1988, Johnny Alite came to me
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Lisa S. Schwam, RPR, RMR, CRR
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ZUCCARO - DIRECT - ARGENTIERI 2067
about a problem they were having with him.
Q Who is Johnny Alite?
A He was John Gotti, Jr.'s, partner and an associate in the Gambino family.

Q What did he tell you about the problem they were having with him?
A That Johnny Gebert was pretty much a loose cannon running around doing whatever he liked to do; shooting places up, shooting people, selling drugs, not listening.
Q What did he ask you to do?
A Kill him.
Q Did you agree?
A Yes.

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RONNIE ONE ARMS OPENING STATEMENT:





8 Also, they said in 1984, which I can't understand


9 why I'm here, it was Johnny Alite and John Gotti, Jr. If


10 that's where this Indictment started, why am I here?


11 Is there something wrong with that? I scratched


12 my head, okay Johnny Alite and John Gotti, Jr., started a


13 drug business.
Okay, this is where we're building the


14 foundation of the house from.


15 They started the drug business. They worked in


16 the drug business



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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Alite was feared because he was part of Jr's crew.

Jr was so feared because of Sr.




Nobody feared Jr..Especially after Sr. went away..They tolerated having to deal with that buffoon..

Joe Watts was only an associate and gave no respect to Junior, no less fear him

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After Gravano testified,, everyone knew Gotti Sr was gone for life. If no one respected Jr, why was he never killed? They could have easily done that but no one did. Corozzo mentioned it as did Danny Marino but no one ever did and yet Jr gotti still made millions, no one took his money.
To say no one respected him is not true.

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When Sr. was around he was feared by many, I dont think anyone would dispute that.
If you messed with Jr. you messed with Sr. That was his son PERIOD.

So the point I was making was that Jr. was only feared because he was the son of Sr.

With that said I do not agree that he was treated as if he were a BAFOON.


According to Mikey Scars, Jr. was respected on the street by the other families when he took over after Sr. went away. If he was looked upon as a BAFOON, the heads of the other families would not have acknowledged him.

He sat with Barney and ordered him to kill one of his guys, because he thought the Genovese's killed Boriello. (That took balls).

Jr. than went to Boriello's brother and told him to go kill whoever you want from the Genovese the Gambino family will back you. (That took balls).

Jr was willing to go to war with the Genovese. (Who else was willing to go to war with them?)

Jr. plotted to whack Watts and Alite on separate occasions.

Angelo Prisco is on wire tap said he thought Jr. was good guy, Prisco was a CAPO with the Genovese, that was a complement to Jr.

The went head to head with the feds 4-times and BEAT THEM.
he didn't cop a plea deal, and didn't give anyone up to get from under those charges that he was facing LIFE for.

All the while Alite and the feds were trying to frame him for murders he didn't commit.

Who do you know that took on the feds 4 times and won?

I dont know any gangster that went head to head 4 times with the feds.

Compared to his dad he could never walk a mile in Sr's shoe's he knows it and says it.

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John Gotti Jr. was a buffoon. This is a guy who kept a list of proposed members for years. Usually, you burn that as soon as those names have been circulated and okay'd. Not to mention, all the recordings of street guys talking shit about him. They didn't respect him at all. Nicky Corozzo used to call him Baby Huey. Danny Marino genuinely thought he was retarded. For years, he denied he had done the proffer. Then it took a rat scumbag named John Alite to expose him and all Junior could say was is that it was 'a weak moment'. How are you gonna let a guy who claims to have had homosexual relations with you expose you like that? He's not a man.

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I don’t understand why everyone on here has such a hard on for this piece of trash. Don’t give him the attention he so desperately seeks.

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Well said bensonHurst.
The fact is, neither corozzo or marino made a move. In fact, Jr made a move against marino and was going to kill him.
If Jr was weak, everyone would of took his money and he would have been killed or at least shelved.

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They didn't make a move because the feds were all over them, and they had this buffoon taking the heat !!

And the heads of other family's did not meet with him...You think Chin Gigante sat down with this buffoon when he didn't even respect his father ??

Junior was ready to go to war with the Genovese family ?? Lol..Keep believing that !!

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Re: John Alite [Re: BensonHURST] #1002858
01/07/21 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Alite was feared because he was part of Jr's crew.

Jr was so feared because of Sr.

That's the beginning, middle and end.

If Alite, wasn't aligned with Jr. by default/Sr.

He would have been just a street thug with balls, in Italian ghetto's street thugs with balls were a dime a dozen. They use a guy like him to pull the trigger call him in to congratulate him and snuff him out and put him in a trunk.

Nobody is going after any rats in 2021 not because Alite is so tuff, because they are scared of the heat.

His only worry would be some wanna be that wants to make a name for themselves.

Nobody on the admin of the Gambino family gives two shits about Alite. Simply put "He ain't worth the bullet"

N.Y. Mafia hit it on the head he was a lowly associate that's it.


It's funny I can tell you there were so many Alites, roaming the streets of Bensohhurst back in the day.... Walking around doing the enforcement work for the family...

Every crew had a few.

Yes they were scary, yes they were real- deal tuff guys to the average citizen...

When they came up against someone who was someone, they fell in line, or their body was dumped in th streets, for all the other "TUFF GUYS" to see.

A bunch of guys that were enforcers have written book however, they were more truthful about their status.

) Andrew DiDionati
Larry Mazza
Gunner Lindbloom
Louis Farante

These guys are more truthful about their status as associates/enforcers for the family.

Alite is re-writing history.

He said on pod-cast recently that he was privy to info about the Castallno hit, that Sammy, didnt know about

He then went on to say that no one was charged with Castellano's murder.

Well no one except for Gotti Sr. that is.

That's how close Alite was with Sr. that he didn't know what he was convicted of.





Well said.

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