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Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: LuanKuci] #1016509
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When we see them after an arrest we have to keep in mind that they are not going to dress up to sit in a dirty cell and wait hours for an arraignment. Plus, no one dresses up anymore, even stockbrokerages have dress down days. I think another thing is that no one wants to be the sharpest dressed defendant standing in front of a judge deciding their bail.

Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: LuanKuci] #1016510
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When your pulled out of bed and arrested at 5am your not exactly gonna be dressed up and old time mobsters dressed better because that’s how society at large dressed. Mobsters have adapted to the times for the most part

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: LuanKuci] #1016514
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It was just an exemplar description of one photo sheesh people. And frankly, goes to my original point. As probably the only person here that’s ever been on a live search warrant, I can tell you defendants have more than ample opportunity to have clothing brought to them prior to arraignment. But okay… w/e you say.


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I couldn't care less about how they dress. The times have changed socially all around from appearance, to manners, to guys using girls bathrooms etc. why wouldn't a criminals dress code change as well. I'm pretty sure victim's of these guys wouldn't feel any better if the guy shooting them was dressed nice, or stealing their money, raping their kids or selling them drugs would they? Oh, and for what it's worth just because you assume FrankMazola that "As probably the only person here that’s ever been on a live search warrant" doesn't mean anything or add credibility to your position, No one knows most of our backgrounds and no one cares The more you publicize it the more I suspect you're trying to justify your comments with information no one cares about. I suggest just keep it to your opinion

Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: FrankMazola] #1016528
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Originally Posted by FrankMazola
It was just an exemplar description of one photo sheesh people. And frankly, goes to my original point. As probably the only person here that’s ever been on a live search warrant, I can tell you defendants have more than ample opportunity to have clothing brought to them prior to arraignment. But okay… w/e you say.


So when they raid your house. They don’t give you time to get dressed. They don’t give you time for shit atleast 99% of the time. They may say police once and then ram down the door. They’re. Not giving you time to get rid of evidence


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: spartan] #1016537
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Originally Posted by spartan
Bikers in Canada have not "surpassed" the various Italian TOC. Italian OC is still number 1 on the food chain in Canada.

And ppl need to understand, the Hells Angels in Quebec (amongst the "strongest" and wealthiest biker groups in the world) are not traditional bikers as you would see in California. Quebec HA are basically French (Canadian) Mafia. Ontario HAs (and Ontario has the highest concentration of bikers in the world, except for maybe Australia now) are not like Quebec HAs. And Ontario HAs have deep respect for Italian TOC.


Maybes that’s how it was, it’s not how it is now. I don’t know the last time you were hanging out with bikers in Canada in either Quebec or Ontario, but they got so many cops in their ranks it’s laughable that people think they are the same as the guys that fought the biker war. They are being held up by the State, in order to move drugs, woman and children from both Syria and Afghanistan, as well as in South America.

In Ontario, I’ve hung out with my fair share and all they talk about is how they can’t let the ‘wops’ ‘take back over, it was really on display regarding the Musitanos and Luppinos in Hamilton. Iavarone basically went to bend his knee to the HA in Quebec for Martin Roberts wedding, even Italians in Ontario and Quebec put bikers before the mob.

Pretty sure it was one of the reasons his brother was killed, along with Giorgio Baressi, they show the patch more respect than the button.

In Canada, that attitude is tolerate by at least the mob guys I knew or the ones that were around the bikers I knew. It’s my assumption that mobsters from American and Europe would never put up with what they put up with in Canada from any group, including the Canadian State sponsored Hells Angels.

My opinion is a jaded one tho lol.

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Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: MolochioInduced] #1016552
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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Originally Posted by spartan
Bikers in Canada have not "surpassed" the various Italian TOC. Italian OC is still number 1 on the food chain in Canada.

And ppl need to understand, the Hells Angels in Quebec (amongst the "strongest" and wealthiest biker groups in the world) are not traditional bikers as you would see in California. Quebec HA are basically French (Canadian) Mafia. Ontario HAs (and Ontario has the highest concentration of bikers in the world, except for maybe Australia now) are not like Quebec HAs. And Ontario HAs have deep respect for Italian TOC.


Maybes that’s how it was, it’s not how it is now. I don’t know the last time you were hanging out with bikers in Canada in either Quebec or Ontario, but they got so many cops in their ranks it’s laughable that people think they are the same as the guys that fought the biker war. They are being held up by the State, in order to move drugs, woman and children from both Syria and Afghanistan, as well as in South America.

In Ontario, I’ve hung out with my fair share and all they talk about is how they can’t let the ‘wops’ ‘take back over, it was really on display regarding the Musitanos and Luppinos in Hamilton. Iavarone basically went to bend his knee to the HA in Quebec for Martin Roberts wedding, even Italians in Ontario and Quebec put bikers before the mob.

Pretty sure it was one of the reasons his brother was killed, along with Giorgio Baressi, they show the patch more respect than the button.

In Canada, that attitude is tolerate by at least the mob guys I knew or the ones that were around the bikers I knew. It’s my assumption that mobsters from American and Europe would never put up with what they put up with in Canada from any group, including the Canadian State sponsored Hells Angels.

My opinion is a jaded one tho lol.



Do you care t provide some actual proof that there are Montreal, Quebec City or Sherbrooke police in the "ranks" of the HAs? Because that is an outrageous statement.

Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: MolochioInduced] #1016565
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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Originally Posted by spartan
Bikers in Canada have not "surpassed" the various Italian TOC. Italian OC is still number 1 on the food chain in Canada.

And ppl need to understand, the Hells Angels in Quebec (amongst the "strongest" and wealthiest biker groups in the world) are not traditional bikers as you would see in California. Quebec HA are basically French (Canadian) Mafia. Ontario HAs (and Ontario has the highest concentration of bikers in the world, except for maybe Australia now) are not like Quebec HAs. And Ontario HAs have deep respect for Italian TOC.


Maybes that’s how it was, it’s not how it is now. I don’t know the last time you were hanging out with bikers in Canada in either Quebec or Ontario, but they got so many cops in their ranks it’s laughable that people think they are the same as the guys that fought the biker war. They are being held up by the State, in order to move drugs, woman and children from both Syria and Afghanistan, as well as in South America.

In Ontario, I’ve hung out with my fair share and all they talk about is how they can’t let the ‘wops’ ‘take back over, it was really on display regarding the Musitanos and Luppinos in Hamilton. Iavarone basically went to bend his knee to the HA in Quebec for Martin Roberts wedding, even Italians in Ontario and Quebec put bikers before the mob.

Pretty sure it was one of the reasons his brother was killed, along with Giorgio Baressi, they show the patch more respect than the button.

In Canada, that attitude is tolerate by at least the mob guys I knew or the ones that were around the bikers I knew. It’s my assumption that mobsters from American and Europe would never put up with what they put up with in Canada from any group, including the Canadian State sponsored Hells Angels.

My opinion is a jaded one tho lol.


In this thread a guy claimed that in the GTA area Siderno Group is the strongest and bikers have a lot of respect for them. Also I`m not sure how much conclusion can be drawn from the bikers` own perception. A lot of criminals probably think their own organization is more powerful than others while in reality it's not.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...ain=40685&Number=1015680#Post1015680

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Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: MolochioInduced] #1016566
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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced

My opinion is a jaded one tho lol.


It's not an opinion; it's pure fantasy and nonsense. Yet another behind the keyboard "trust me, I know a bunch of bikers and mob guys" flex.

Reminds me of disgruntled customers that come into my office and will tell me they are connected to the HA. I'm always relieved when they say that because that's how I know FOR SURE that they are not connected to the HA.

Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: FrankMazola] #1016568
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Originally Posted by FrankMazola
Fair enough (those 3 fat Bonnano guys being drug into arraignment in Fila and Puma attire, not even suits but like cut off sweats with fringe threads hanging off come to mind). They have sort of an urban-redneck motif to them, I feel like.

But remember, these are a fairly slothful people. “Enterprising” and “conniving” though they may be, the lion’s share of gangsters are too fucking lazy to work for a living. I just don’t expect much out of their dress, either.


I don’t know if I agree with this from my own experience. Most of these guys are scheming and “working” non-stop. Running around constantly too. A fair amount of them put in legitimate work of some kind on top of that. I can’t even tell you how many times when I was younger I thought to myself “this guy is busting his ass 24/7 and a legit career would probably be less work”.

Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: LuanKuci] #1016571
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Plenty of guys in the life now are either working a legit job and running rackets on the side or own a small business and run rackets on the side...as “the only person here ever to be on a live search warrant” you have no clue what your talking about when it comes to the Wiseguys or how many people here have or haven’t been raided which you don’t have to be a mobster to get raided, it could be for something white collar or you and your friends could have been selling drugs out of a stash house and an informant could have bought from there and when they raided were looking for the marked money to tie to the drug sale


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: eastsideofvan] #1016628
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Originally Posted by eastsideofvan
Originally Posted by MolochioInduced

My opinion is a jaded one tho lol.


It's not an opinion; it's pure fantasy and nonsense. Yet another behind the keyboard "trust me, I know a bunch of bikers and mob guys" flex.

Reminds me of disgruntled customers that come into my office and will tell me they are connected to the HA. I'm always relieved when they say that because that's how I know FOR SURE that they are not connected to the HA.


I don’t know that many, I’m not that good at English is my problem, I met a bunch when I was in Canada and that was what I I observed.

I skive those people, could care less about them or their way or life. You’re probably Canadian lol feel the same way about that country as well.

I’m White and male, but identify or want to represent myself as a HA in Canada lol or any cut in that country makes me laugh. They pimp out women and children that are white, why would anyone want to be part of that, as well as dope up their own neighborhoods.

Canada was/is the only place I’ve been where it’s obvious that the white people there don’t put white people first, not woman, not children, not men nor the family unit. The 1% is the same, it’s a joke. The Alt Right of both America & Europe don’t stand for whatever Canada has going on in it, it’s like the Caliphate, disgusting 🤮.

If your pissed that I’m implying that they are mostly a cop 👮‍♀️ filled club, sorry man, but again, where ain’t that the case in Canada. That country is rotting from the inside out just like the USA 🇺🇸.

This ain’t for this thread anyways, sorry to have offended you, I hope my command of English, better expresses my experience/opinion here.

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Re: The Archetype of today's American Mobster [Re: LuanKuci] #1016679
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