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Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008625
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As part of his plea agreement, Massino also agreed to forfeit the following: (1) the business known as 60th Lane Restaurant, Inc., d/b/a Casablanca Restaurant (and the premises and real property, together with its buildings, appurtenances, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 66- 15th Lane, Maspeth, New York); (2) the business known as Café Via Veneto (and the premises and real property, together with its buildings, appurtenances, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 60-39 Fresh Pond Road, Maspeth, New York); (3) [u]$7,672,581 in cash (i.e., $7,182,281 and $490,300 surrendered by the defendant Massino to the government)u]; (4) 267 “gold bars” surrendered by the defendant Massino to the government (specifically 210 gold bars each weighing one ounce and 57 gold bars each weighing five ounces, all of which has a combined approximate market value of $267,000); and (5) the following substitute properties: (a) the premises and real property, together with its buildings, appurtenances,
improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 60- 37 Fresh Pond Road, Maspeth, New York; and (b) the premises and real property, with its building, appurtenances, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 58-23 68th
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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1008643
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi

As part of his plea agreement, Massino also agreed to forfeit the following: (1) the business known as 60th Lane Restaurant, Inc., d/b/a Casablanca Restaurant (and the premises and real property, together with its buildings, appurtenances, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 66- 15th Lane, Maspeth, New York); (2) the business known as Café Via Veneto (and the premises and real property, together with its buildings, appurtenances, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 60-39 Fresh Pond Road, Maspeth, New York); (3) [u]$7,672,581 in cash (i.e., $7,182,281 and $490,300 surrendered by the defendant Massino to the government)u]; (4) 267 “gold bars” surrendered by the defendant Massino to the government (specifically 210 gold bars each weighing one ounce and 57 gold bars each weighing five ounces, all of which has a combined approximate market value of $267,000); and (5) the following substitute properties: (a) the premises and real property, together with its buildings, appurtenances,
improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 60- 37 Fresh Pond Road, Maspeth, New York; and (b) the premises and real property, with its building, appurtenances, improvements, fixtures, attachments, and easements located at 58-23 68th
Street, Maspeth, New York 11378.


Those 495 ounces of gold are now worth 855,572.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008650
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What did they let him keep? That sounds like a lot to forfeit.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: blueracing347] #1008651
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Originally Posted by blueracing347
What did they let him keep? That sounds like a lot to forfeit.


He was able to keep 5 out of 10 properties. He says he actually had four or five hundred gold bars, so maybe someone hit the stash before he gave it up. The gold and 7 million cash were in his house, he most likely had other stash spots and properties. They gave him a really good deal.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008653
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Thanks GerryLang. I was in Maspeth four or five years ago. It was a nice area and a quick zillow search had the real estate higher valued than surrounding areas. Has it always been like that? I got my first hot towel shave by some old time barber while I was there.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008654
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He should have had some huge loose diamonds too. At least they don't take up so much room. Ha. If he gave up 7 mill cash, he must have had more than that stashed somewhere else. Wonder where he settled down at? Maybe him and Sal made up and are kicking it poolside somewheres now.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008681
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I'm not one who is so quick to assume that every boss or high up mafia member like Massino has millions stashed. I think they let him keep way more than enough to live like a king. DILeonardo got an undeserved bonus from the feds about 4 years ago, they granted him $4,000 a month to be available "In case he remembers anything" that he forgot to tell them in the past. No testimony or info has ever come up since, but they still probably send him that 4,000 each month as his "rat bonus." It was in Gangland, so I think the feds wanted Capeci to let others know they will be taken care of financially it they cooperate.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008685
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Originally Posted by blueracing347
Thanks GerryLang. I was in Maspeth four or five years ago. It was a nice area and a quick zillow search had the real estate higher valued than surrounding areas. Has it always been like that? I got my first hot towel shave by some old time barber while I was there.


I'm a Philly guy. The only places I have spent any substantial time in Queens were Woodside and Astoria. My little knowledge of Maspeth is it's a more traditional NYC neighborhood that hasn't seen the gentrification that a lot of other neighborhoods. It's also been around five years or so since I frequented NYC on a regular basis.

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I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008692
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I want someone to do an in-depth interview with Persiano at somepoint

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1008693
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Exactly, we've already heard enough.

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Originally Posted by GerryLang
If you've been on YouTube the last few years there's been a surge in shows about guys who did time in prison, and informants making YouTube channels. Sammy Gravano being the most famous. You also have guys like John Alite, John Pennisi, Mike Franzese, Larry Mazza, and a few others.

Are there any rats out there you'd like to hear from to fill us in on some mafia history? If I had to pick one guy it would be Joseph Massino, he was involved in a lot of historical mafia events.


Nick Calabrese Jr. or whatever from Chicago Outfit who brought down his dad with Operation Family Secrets.

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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.


go watch more sopranos then and glorify the lifestyle of crime a bit more

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Originally Posted by TonyBombassolo
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I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.


go watch more sopranos then and glorify the lifestyle of crime a bit more



Ralphie is right, they should not be heard from, who believes them anyway? If you feel anyone is glorifying people you are delusional. The men who rat are the worst of criminals, they do the crime, then avoid the time by ratting on fiends. Go watch a DiLeonardo or John Alite video and glorify rats a bit more.

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Originally Posted by jace
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I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.


go watch more sopranos then and glorify the lifestyle of crime a bit more



Ralphie is right, they should not be heard from, who believes them anyway? If you feel anyone is glorifying people you are delusional. The men who rat are the worst of criminals, they do the crime, then avoid the time by ratting on fiends. Go watch a DiLeonardo or John Alite video and glorify rats a bit more.


That's a bunch of bullshit. Rats are a huge part of the mafia like it or not. I don't respect or condone them, but they play their part in the life. Without them the only info would come from LE.

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Originally Posted by GerryLang
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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.


go watch more sopranos then and glorify the lifestyle of crime a bit more



Ralphie is right, they should not be heard from, who believes them anyway? If you feel anyone is glorifying people you are delusional. The men who rat are the worst of criminals, they do the crime, then avoid the time by ratting on fiends. Go watch a DiLeonardo or John Alite video and glorify rats a bit more.


That's a bunch of bullshit. Rats are a huge part of the mafia like it or not. I don't respect or condone them, but they play their part in the life. Without them the only info would come from LE.


. Good Post. It doesn’t matter which mobsters rat or not they are all bad people. Although I do feel they still deserve longer sentences informants are the way we get information on the mob

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Originally Posted by GerryLang
Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by TonyBombassolo
Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.


go watch more sopranos then and glorify the lifestyle of crime a bit more



Ralphie is right, they should not be heard from, who believes them anyway? If you feel anyone is glorifying people you are delusional. The men who rat are the worst of criminals, they do the crime, then avoid the time by ratting on fiends. Go watch a DiLeonardo or John Alite video and glorify rats a bit more.


That's a bunch of bullshit. Rats are a huge part of the mafia like it or not. I don't respect or condone them, but they play their part in the life. Without them the only info would come from LE.


And exactly what do you think you are hearing when rats speak? LE filters what they say. and has them in a situation where they have to say what they are told, and if anything they say goes against what LE like to hear, they wind up like Casso did.

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Vinny Ocean would be great to hear from and has a great story and really was a heavyweight that had big money.....

Ditto for Lenny Strollo as well...

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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chin,

why would you want to waste your time with that scum, he will only sit there and lie to your face. Trust me - I know.

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all the rats should drop dead, and while they are alive they should be shunned by everyone and not given any attention in this life ever again.

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I think its hilarious the anger and hate displayed against criminals who later turn against criminals. As if they were honorable law abiding moral people to begin with. Seems kind of odd.

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chin,

why would you want to waste your time with that scum, he will only sit there and lie to your face. Trust me - I know.


He's the first made member in the Philadelphia family to flip since Pete Caprio in 2000. He'd be in a position to provide lots of information about the hierarchy, inductions, interactions with other families... I'd want an interview with him and I'd want transcripts of his recordings

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While tempting to role-play Tony Soprano and be indignant about rats, I think there is another reality here, which is that not all rats are created equally.

There's a big difference, to me, in a Henry Hill who just wants to save his own ass and a Pete Chiodo or Al D'Arco for example who legitimately hadn't done anything "wrong" in their LCN context but who were marked for death by their psychotic administration. Is the proper thing for Fat Pete to do just to accept being whacked for no reason, not having done anything wrong, and say "oh well, that's the life I chose, I guess I'll die now." ???

That's ridiculous. The reality is that the administration owes a duty to its members to maintain and enforce the rules of LCN. If that breaks down - and a psycho like Amuso or Scarfo comes along and re-writes the rules to suit their own agenda/paranoia/cult of personality...then people are going to do what they've got to do. You've forced them into a corner and that's on you.

Joe Massino? An enormous (literally and figuratively) piece of shit. Same for Vinny Ocean. The leaders can't betray their own people, that's the worst.

There's plenty of others who probably fall in the middle somewhere, Leonetti, diLeonardo, etc., but I really don't think you can paint all rats with the same brush. You have to look at each individual case by case.


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I don't wanna hear from any of these people. Rats should not be heard from.


go watch more sopranos then and glorify the lifestyle of crime a bit more



Ralphie is right, they should not be heard from, who believes them anyway? If you feel anyone is glorifying people you are delusional. The men who rat are the worst of criminals, they do the crime, then avoid the time by ratting on fiends. Go watch a DiLeonardo or John Alite video and glorify rats a bit more.

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