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Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison #996111
08/27/20 06:23 PM
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https://eu.lohud.com/story/news/cri...steven-crea-sentenced-prison/5645656002/

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In May 2017, 12 members of the Luchese family were arrested and face a slew of federal charges, including murder and racketeering, among others.

Today, the last of the 12, Steven L. Crea, second in command of the Luchese Family of La Cosa Nostra, was sentenced to life in prison.

U.S. District Judge Cathy Seibel also hit Crea with a $400,000 fine and the forfeiture of $1 million as part of his sentence.

A jury convicted Crea and three co-defendants on Nov. 15, 2019, for the 2013 murder of Michael Meldish, conspiracy to commit racketeering and other felonies after a six-week trial in White Plains federal court before Seibel.

Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss applauded the work of the FBI and NYPD.

“Steven L. Crea — the Underboss of the Luchese Family — is the last of a dozen men arrested in 2017 to be sentenced for his crimes," Strauss said in a statement after the sentencing. "For his role in the 2013 murder of Michael Meldish and other crimes, Crea will now spend the rest of his life behind bars. Thanks to the outstanding investigative work of the FBI and NYPD, we continue our commitment to render La Cosa Nostra a thing of the past.”

Crea helped lead the Luchese Family, which made millions of dollars in profit from crimes committed by family members and associates in New York City, Westchester, Long Island, New Jersey and elsewhere, prosecutors said. In 2013, Crea helped orchestrate the Meldish's murder.

He, along with 11 other members of the Luchese family, were arrested three years ago for crimes they committed between 2000 and 2017.

With the exception of one captain who died before his case was resolved, everyone charged in this years-long case pleaded guilty or was convicted, And now they've all been sentenced.

Crimes included the murder, three attempted murders — including the attempted murder of a former witness against the Mafia, multiple assaults, drug trafficking, extortion; millions of dollars in fraud against a public hospital in the Bronx, loansharking, operating illegal gambling businesses, among others, prosecutors said.

Here's the full list of Luchese family members who pleaded guilty or were convicted, their crimes and sentences:

Matthew Madonna, 84, life in prison for racketeering conspiracy, murder in aid of racketeering, conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, aiding and abetting use of a firearm to commit murder.
Steven L. Crea, 73, life in prison, $400,000 fine and $1 million forfeiture for racketeering conspiracy, murder in aid of racketeering, conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, aiding and abetting use of a firearm to commit murder.
Christopher Londonio, 46, life in prison for racketeering conspiracy, murder in aid of racketeering, conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, aiding and abetting use of a firearm to commit murder, conspiracy to distribute narcotics.
Terrence Caldwell, 62, life in prison for racketeering conspiracy, murder in aid of racketeering, conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, use of a firearm to commit murder, attempted murder in aid of racketeering, use of a firearm during a crime of violence.
Joseph Datello, 69, 14 years in prison for racketeering conspiracy.
Steven D. Crea, 48, 13 years in prison and a $50,000 for racketeering conspiracy, conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering, attempted assault with a deadly weapon in aid of racketeering.
Vincent Bruno, 36, 11 1/3 years in prison for attempted murder in aid of racketeering, racketeering conspiracy.
Brian Vaughan, 54, 7 years in prison for racketeering conspiracy.
Richard O’Connor, 66, 6 years in prison for conspiracy to distribute narcotics.
Carmine Garcia, deceased, sentenced to 5 years in prison and $250,000 for racketeering conspiracy, conspiracy to commit assault in aid of racketeering.
Joseph DiNapoli, 84, 4 1/3 years in prison and $250,000 fine for racketeering conspiracy.
John Castelucci, 60, 3 years in prison and a $150,000 fine for racketeering conspiracy.
James Maffucci, 72, 3 years in prison for extortion, extortionate extension of credit.
Tindaro Corso, 59, 2 1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 for racketeering conspiracy.
Joseph Venice, 59, 1 1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine for racketeering conspiracy.
Paul Cassano, 41, 1 1/2 years in prison for conspiracy to commit assault in aid of racketeering.
Robert Camilli, 63, one year of supervised release and a $35,000 fine for extortionate extension of credit.
John Incatasciato, 45, two years of supervised released and 100 hours of community service for extortionate collection of credit.


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Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996117
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Disgusting. An innocent man is going to prison for life.

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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
Disgusting. An innocent man is going to prison for life.


Yeah the underboss of NY mafia crime family is always an innocent guy.

Crimes included the murder, three attempted murders — including the attempted murder of a former witness against the Mafia, multiple assaults, drug trafficking, extortion; millions of dollars in fraud against a public hospital in the Bronx, loansharking, operating illegal gambling businesses, among others, prosecutors said.

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996120
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A rehash of the government's press release. They weren't listening in on the sentencing. I was and am currently working on the story. A lot more to detail than the government had to offer.

Here's the govt's press release. Basically a cut and paste job.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ted-murder-racketeering-and-other-crimes

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: alicecooper] #996122
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Originally Posted by alicecooper
Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
Disgusting. An innocent man is going to prison for life.


Yeah the underboss of NY mafia crime family is always an innocent guy.

Crimes included the murder, three attempted murders — including the attempted murder of a former witness against the Mafia, multiple assaults, drug trafficking, extortion; millions of dollars in fraud against a public hospital in the Bronx, loansharking, operating illegal gambling businesses, among others, prosecutors said.


He didn't commit fraud against a hospital...no illegal gambling...those were specific to other defendants.

Also the sentencing was for 4 counts only including meldish murder.

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996123
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and certainly not drug trafficking...

his counts for which he was sentenced:

racketeering conspiracy
conspiracy to commit murder in aid of racketeering
murder in aid of racketeering
use of firearm resulting in death

He was acquitted o the "attempted murder" of Carl Ulzheimer and the "attempted murder of a former witness" - aka Sean Richard was dropped in a "new trial indictment" submitted by govt in 2019 and wasn't part of his charges.

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996124
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Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996130
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As soon as you learn how to actually write properly, and in a manner that isn't heavily skewed towards mobsters, then maybe people will take you seriously. As it is, everything you come out with resembles the inaccurate ravings of an unemployed lunatic with a persecution complex.

Seriously, this guy either has a family member who was sent to prison or is completely deranged. He makes Jeff Lowman seem well adjusted.



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Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996132
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
As soon as you learn how to actually write properly, and in a manner that isn't heavily skewed towards mobsters, then maybe people will take you seriously. As it is, everything you come out with resembles the inaccurate ravings of an unemployed lunatic with a persecution complex.

Seriously, this guy either has a family member who was sent to prison or is completely deranged. He makes Jeff Lowman seem well adjusted.



Why don't you stick to facts instead ranting on BS but I guess that's difficult considering your only goal in life is stalking these mobsters' social media accounts to fill your photo pages. Do you also make copies to post above your bed?

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996133
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And maybe learn how to decipher between a press release a researched story. .

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996136
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What's the matter, did I trigger you?

Imagine dedicating that much time to writing garbage about criminals being persecuted by the government and not getting paid for it.

Your stories are researched - poorly researched.


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Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996141
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Imagine dedicating your time with the same exact thing? F’n clown.

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996145
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You read the same thing as everybody else , and say you actually”research” please bro. You just another jerk off that spouts the same shit as everyone else.
Bet you won’t actually do anything for charity or even donate a can of soup.
But you’re action Jackson on the Internet. Right? Go to sleep and do something for society, instead of complaining on the net. Freaking baby, go join green peace.

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996146
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The murder is one thing ..I feel the government basically lied, suborned perjury w extremely shady witnesses to get a dubious conviction for murder in aid of racketeering,BUT that’s because they’re secret CI’s are telling them he directed the murder..because he did ..he’s the underboss FOR 25 Years of the 3rd most powerful Cosa Nostra family in the country..that means second in command of a criminal organization....you guys are acting like he’s the Vice President of Publix Supermarkets. Like John Gotti said on tape “people aren’t stupid,they know what we are” in these cases Steven Crea Sr has to take some self accountability by choosing this way of life and choosing to accept the Underboss position in the Lucchese family..I say that, at the same time and also agree that the prosecutors at a minimum should be fired if not prosecuted themselves.....but with all that said he was clearly guilty as hell of racketeering conspiracy and that carries 20 years w it. I mean Vinny Asaro got found not guilty of the Lufthansa Heist but he did it..the law isn’t always right or fair but when you choose to be in a Cosa Nostra family and be an underboss and life that live to the fullest. The Multi million dollar house And the ability to loan NY City builders millions of dollars and have influence on places like hospitals being built in the Bronx. ALONG WITH the possibility you might be framed or have the law not fall in your favor some time and get life in prison. The funny part is your taking up for a guy like him. A MURDERER, that’s a part of an organization where murder is a way of life, that got framed for a murder he shouldn’t have been convicted of and ended up w life in prison. When HE HIMSELF, ALL HIS LIFE EXPECTED IT TO END THIS WAY or WITH HIM DEAD IN THE STREETS(wonder why he thought this..do any of you expect your life outcome to be this way??? I would assume no and there’s a reason for that)

The only thing positive I can say is I’m sure he set up his immediate family for life. I would assume he made something in the neighborhood of $50-$100 million dollars in his 25 years as underboss.Not to mention the money he made before that earning his nickname of “Wonder Boy” and cementing his reputation of earner and gangster in the 1970s and 80s.

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996149
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People don’t care about Steven Crea getting railroaded by the Feds because his own career has been predicated on railroading people himself. It’s the EXACT same reason why law-abiding citizens don’t lose sleep over the police using excessive force on career criminals.

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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
The murder is one thing ..I feel the government basically lied, suborned perjury w extremely shady witnesses to get a dubious conviction for murder in aid of racketeering,BUT that’s because they’re secret CI’s are telling them he directed the murder..because he did ..he’s the underboss FOR 25 Years of the 3rd most powerful Cosa Nostra family in the country..that means second in command of a criminal organization....you guys are acting like he’s the Vice President of Publix Supermarkets. Like John Gotti said on tape “people aren’t stupid,they know what we are” in these cases Steven Crea Sr has to take some self accountability by choosing this way of life and choosing to accept the Underboss position in the Lucchese family..I say that, at the same time and also agree that the prosecutors at a minimum should be fired if not prosecuted themselves.....but with all that said he was clearly guilty as hell of racketeering conspiracy and that carries 20 years w it. I mean Vinny Asaro got found not guilty of the Lufthansa Heist but he did it..the law isn’t always right or fair but when you choose to be in a Cosa Nostra family and be an underboss and life that live to the fullest. The Multi million dollar house And the ability to loan NY City builders millions of dollars and have influence on places like hospitals being built in the Bronx. ALONG WITH the possibility you might be framed or have the law not fall in your favor some time and get life in prison. The funny part is your taking up for a guy like him. A MURDERER, that’s a part of an organization where murder is a way of life, that got framed for a murder he shouldn’t have been convicted of and ended up w life in prison. When HE HIMSELF, ALL HIS LIFE EXPECTED IT TO END THIS WAY or WITH HIM DEAD IN THE STREETS(wonder why he thought this..do any of you expect your life outcome to be this way??? I would assume no and there’s a reason for that)

The only thing positive I can say is I’m sure he set up his immediate family for life. I would assume he made something in the neighborhood of $50-$100 million dollars in his 25 years as underboss.Not to mention the money he made before that earning his nickname of “Wonder Boy” and cementing his reputation of earner and gangster in the 1970s and 80s.


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Hi there, I'm "The Other Guy", the partner, and other half of NYMafia. I'm the fella who puts out all the mob-story content.

Louiebynochi, you speak well and make several good points Louie. My partner is the one who follows the Crea case, Campos, and several others. She feels passionate about these people being "railroaded". And in some case "they are." The Crea case I do think is a good example of government overreach and "illegal" tactics.

I don't always agree with her viewpoints (in fact most times I don't agree or see it her way - lol), but I always agree with her right to say and feel the way she does. Thats HER thing. Her choice. I don't feel the need to denigrate her for it. What I do think she neglects to consider is why these events happen the way they do....the "base" case so to speak.

In actuality I do support her exposing these "underhanded tactics" of the government for two reasons. #1 - because it is wrong, and does go against our Constitution. Whether or not these fellas are gangsters, hoods, criminals, or mafiosi, there are way more than enough "legal" tools and stringent laws on the books (Rico etc), that they (the G) shouldn't have to resort to lies, schemes, perjury, fraud, etc etc, to win ANY conviction. The "playing field" is tilted so far in their favor already that it's a joke (and a tragedy that we even need to have this conversation). #2 - If the government, OUR government, can do that to a Crea (whom by the way we have no connection to or ulterior motive here), or a Campos, then they could do it to you or I, if the mood, desire, or need ever hit em. Could they, yes! Would they, who knows?

Today it is a Crea for being what they perceive is a mafioso. Tomorrow who know? It's been done in the past history of our country to people or groups they have targeted for whatever reasons. And it most certainly WILL be done in the future, for whatever reasons they so chose...and thats just wrong! In fact it's a chilling thought that anybody could be intentionally targeted even when they know he's innocent of a particular crime because they need to get em. (forget about being charged accidentally which we also know happens often enough).
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That said, I do feel that Crea and other guys in his category should have been smarter than to stay on "front street". He's NOT a choirboy, never was, never will be. We all know that. He knew that they were gunning for him. The G had brought several cases against him years earlier and he HAD to know that they had him under intense surveillance. Stevie also had to figure that there were "bugs" planted in his club, car, and home. That just as sure as I'm typing this now, that the G must have had a few rats close to him as well. In his gut he had to know it was just a matter of time until he fell, and fell hard.

You wanna have "position"? You wanna walk the walk? Then you know the feds, one way or another, are coming for you because you are way too high profile. It's gotta end bad. And it did! Crea himself had put a bullseye on his back. And the "bulls" went for it!

Members of my own family were targeted in much the same way years back. They were deeply in "the life", and were extremely savvy in their ability to evade prosecution for decades, so the FBI used many underhanded and illegal tactics to jail them. And in the end they were jailed. We made no excuses, they just went and did their time. The difference being that they eventually hit the streets again. Unfortunately Steve Crea will not.

I feel bad for his son Dominick, and of course Crea's wife and their immediate blood family. It's also tragic that his other son Stevie Jr. fell as hard as he did. 13 years in the jug for shit is a long time. Knowing the life as well as Stevie Sr. did know it, I'm actually very surprised that he kept his kid close to him. I personally would have chased the kid to go into legitimate business or at the worst, kept him sidelined so he could earn well but not be knee deep or as close to the flame as he obviously was.

If there's any "silver lining" here, and admittedly thats a tough one, it's that Crea didn't go away until he was in his early seventies, So he had a great run. Still, I'm sure thats of little consolation to his family at this time.

I do agree with you Louie about those Fee-Bee's at the least losing their jobs, if not getting arrested for their illegal actions....but we both know thats a pipe dream. The only reason why they were allowed to do what they did in the first place was because if was "green-lighted" at the highest levels of the government. Our government!

And THATS the scariest thought in all of this!
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Until next time... "The Other Guy"


PS: one more thing, and I'm speaking here directly to this "Moe Tilden" and whoever else is of his ilk, There is a way to disagree and convey your "counter" thoughts and viewpoints without resorting to nasty, and insulting words. Regardless of whether my partner Lisa spews a position you agree with or not, to try and be a "keyboard racketeer" makes you look very uneducated, and quite frankly like a punk. I would think and hope that was not your intentions and that you are not that way. Surely there is a better way for you to communicate your feelings than to resort to name calling and insults. There are always 6-8 horses in a race for a reason. Pick your horse (the position you like) and run with it. But there's no reason to denigrate others who chose another pony. Am I correct here?

I think NYM contributes a hell of a lot of great content to this forum. And it would be nice that we are shown a little "respect" and common courtesy. I do appreciate all the wonderful commentary and thumbs up for my stories and exposes', But Lisa is the "Ying to my Yang", I research and write all the stories and gather all the photos and news articles, and her contribution is to design the story layout artistically for all our forum members to enjoy.

So whatya say Moe, lets be cool and nice to each other ok?

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
The murder is one thing ..I feel the government basically lied, suborned perjury w extremely shady witnesses to get a dubious conviction for murder in aid of racketeering,BUT that’s because they’re secret CI’s are telling them he directed the murder..because he did ..he’s the underboss FOR 25 Years of the 3rd most powerful Cosa Nostra family in the country..that means second in command of a criminal organization....you guys are acting like he’s the Vice President of Publix Supermarkets. Like John Gotti said on tape “people aren’t stupid,they know what we are” in these cases Steven Crea Sr has to take some self accountability by choosing this way of life and choosing to accept the Underboss position in the Lucchese family..I say that, at the same time and also agree that the prosecutors at a minimum should be fired if not prosecuted themselves.....but with all that said he was clearly guilty as hell of racketeering conspiracy and that carries 20 years w it. I mean Vinny Asaro got found not guilty of the Lufthansa Heist but he did it..the law isn’t always right or fair but when you choose to be in a Cosa Nostra family and be an underboss and life that live to the fullest. The Multi million dollar house And the ability to loan NY City builders millions of dollars and have influence on places like hospitals being built in the Bronx. ALONG WITH the possibility you might be framed or have the law not fall in your favor some time and get life in prison. The funny part is your taking up for a guy like him. A MURDERER, that’s a part of an organization where murder is a way of life, that got framed for a murder he shouldn’t have been convicted of and ended up w life in prison. When HE HIMSELF, ALL HIS LIFE EXPECTED IT TO END THIS WAY or WITH HIM DEAD IN THE STREETS(wonder why he thought this..do any of you expect your life outcome to be this way??? I would assume no and there’s a reason for that)

The only thing positive I can say is I’m sure he set up his immediate family for life. I would assume he made something in the neighborhood of $50-$100 million dollars in his 25 years as underboss.Not to mention the money he made before that earning his nickname of “Wonder Boy” and cementing his reputation of earner and gangster in the 1970s and 80s.


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Hi there, I'm "The Other Guy", the partner, and other half of NYMafia. I'm the fella who puts out all the mob-story content.

Louiebynochi, you speak well and make several good points Louie. My partner is the one who follows the Crea case, Campos, and several others. She feels passionate about these people being "railroaded". And in some case "they are." The Crea case I do think is a good example of government overreach and "illegal" tactics.

I don't always agree with her viewpoints (in fact most times I don't agree or see it her way - lol), but I always agree with her right to say and feel the way she does. Thats HER thing. Her choice. I don't feel the need to denigrate her for it. What I do think she neglects to consider is why these events happen the way they do....the "base" case so to speak.

In actuality I do support her exposing these "underhanded tactics" of the government for two reasons. #1 - because it is wrong, and does go against our Constitution. Whether or not these fellas are gangsters, hoods, criminals, or mafiosi, there are way more than enough "legal" tools and stringent laws on the books (Rico etc), that they (the G) shouldn't have to resort to lies, schemes, perjury, fraud, etc etc, to win ANY conviction. The "playing field" is tilted so far in their favor already that it's a joke (and a tragedy that we even need to have this conversation). #2 - If the government, OUR government, can do that to a Crea (whom by the way we have no connection to or ulterior motive here), or a Campos, then they could do it to you or I, if the mood, desire, or need ever hit em. Could they, yes! Would they, who knows?

Today it is a Crea for being what they perceive is a mafioso. Tomorrow who know? It's been done in the past history of our country to people or groups they have targeted for whatever reasons. And it most certainly WILL be done in the future, for whatever reasons they so chose...and thats just wrong! In fact it's a chilling thought that anybody could be intentionally targeted even when they know he's innocent of a particular crime because they need to get em. (forget about being charged accidentally which we also know happens often enough).
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That said, I do feel that Crea and other guys in his category should have been smarter than to stay on "front street". He's NOT a choirboy, never was, never will be. We all know that. He knew that they were gunning for him. The G had brought several cases against him years earlier and he HAD to know that they had him under intense surveillance. Stevie also had to figure that there were "bugs" planted in his club, car, and home. That just as sure as I'm typing this now, that the G must have had a few rats close to him as well. In his gut he had to know it was just a matter of time until he fell, and fell hard.

You wanna have "position"? You wanna walk the walk? Then you know the feds, one way or another, are coming for you because you are way too high profile. It's gotta end bad. And it did! Crea himself had put a bullseye on his back. And the "bulls" went for it!

Members of my own family were targeted in much the same way years back. They were deeply in "the life", and were extremely savvy in their ability to evade prosecution for decades, so the FBI used many underhanded and illegal tactics to jail them. And in the end they were jailed. We made no excuses, they just went and did their time. The difference being that they eventually hit the streets again. Unfortunately Steve Crea will not.

I feel bad for his son Dominick, and of course Crea's wife and their immediate blood family. It's also tragic that his other son Stevie Jr. fell as hard as he did. 13 years in the jug for shit is a long time. Knowing the life as well as Stevie Sr. did know it, I'm actually very surprised that he kept his kid close to him. I personally would have chased the kid to go into legitimate business or at the worst, kept him sidelined so he could earn well but not be knee deep or as close to the flame as he obviously was.

If there's any "silver lining" here, and admittedly thats a tough one, it's that Crea didn't go away until he was in his early seventies, So he had a great run. Still, I'm sure thats of little consolation to his family at this time.

I do agree with you Louie about those Fee-Bee's at the least losing their jobs, if not getting arrested for their illegal actions....but we both know thats a pipe dream. The only reason why they were allowed to do what they did in the first place was because if was "green-lighted" at the highest levels of the government. Our government!

And THATS the scariest thought in all of this!
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Until next time... "The Other Guy"


PS: one more thing, and I'm speaking here directly to this "Moe Tilden" and whoever else is of his ilk, There is a way to disagree and convey your "counter" thoughts and viewpoints without resorting to nasty, and insulting words. Regardless of whether my partner Lisa spews a position you agree with or not, to try and be a "keyboard racketeer" makes you look very uneducated, and quite frankly like a punk. I would think and hope that was not your intentions and that you are not that way. Surely there is a better way for you to communicate your feelings than to resort to name calling and insults. There are always 6-8 horses in a race for a reason. Pick your horse (the position you like) and run with it. But there's no reason to denigrate others who chose another pony. Am I correct here?

I think NYM contributes a hell of a lot of great content to this forum. And it would be nice that we are shown a little "respect" and common courtesy. I do appreciate all the wonderful commentary and thumbs up for my stories and exposes', But Lisa is the "Ying to my Yang", I research and write all the stories and gather all the photos and news articles, and her contribution is to design the story layout artistically for all our forum members to enjoy.

So whatya say Moe, lets be cool and nice to each other ok?


thank you and much respect to you,your stance and the work you do. I absolutely enjoy your guys articles on the NY Mafia Website and the insight into the families across the country.. The layout,is second to none and terrific. I absolutely agree with your stance on the government and overreaching. When the feds have it out for someone they have been known to do whatever it takes to secure a conviction. If they can do it to one citizen,regardless of the citizens chosen station in life. Then they can absolutely do it to anyone else. The government does have most of the chips stacked in their favor, even though the Cosa Nostra overall has adapted to the laws and become much more secretive(like a secret society) and made it much more difficult to convict them of anything linking there high ranking people to crimes beyond gambling and loan sharking. Most of the crews dont even know nowadays what the other crews in the family are doing to generate income. Most of the members have also become more adept at not getting caught on wiretaps and have cloaked themselves in legitimate business to justify there income. They also outside of the colombos and bonnanos have started restricting membership to guys that have been around a long time,or done a lot of jail time and consequently, the people that the government has flipped as witnesses has been unpolished, fringe players, that dont play well in front of a jury...Also the people that suffer the most from the crimes gangsters commit,who also benefit the most financially, are unfortunately collateral damage of the life..Thats why so many of them have kids that are fucked up and on drugs, its usually a different story if they are able to avoid prison for a long time..Like in Crea's case..his one son is a gangster like him but the rest are law abiding lawyers and upstanding members of society.

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996160
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I love thenewyorkmafia.com website and everything they put out. Phenomenally well written content. The people who are triggered by their ambition and willingness to view both sides of the coin is nothing short of pathetic to me. Don't stop doing what you're doing guys. I followed the Crea case closely. Anyone with a brain can see what the government did here. OC cases usually don't have very high appeal odds, but I would argue that the Crea case has one of the highest odds I've seen in a good while.

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The murder is one thing ..I feel the government basically lied, suborned perjury w extremely shady witnesses to get a dubious conviction for murder in aid of racketeering,BUT that’s because they’re secret CI’s are telling them he directed the murder..because he did ..he’s the underboss FOR 25 Years of the 3rd most powerful Cosa Nostra family in the country..that means second in command of a criminal organization....you guys are acting like he’s the Vice President of Publix Supermarkets. Like John Gotti said on tape “people aren’t stupid,they know what we are” in these cases Steven Crea Sr has to take some self accountability by choosing this way of life and choosing to accept the Underboss position in the Lucchese family..I say that, at the same time and also agree that the prosecutors at a minimum should be fired if not prosecuted themselves.....but with all that said he was clearly guilty as hell of racketeering conspiracy and that carries 20 years w it. I mean Vinny Asaro got found not guilty of the Lufthansa Heist but he did it..the law isn’t always right or fair but when you choose to be in a Cosa Nostra family and be an underboss and life that live to the fullest. The Multi million dollar house And the ability to loan NY City builders millions of dollars and have influence on places like hospitals being built in the Bronx. ALONG WITH the possibility you might be framed or have the law not fall in your favor some time and get life in prison. The funny part is your taking up for a guy like him. A MURDERER, that’s a part of an organization where murder is a way of life, that got framed for a murder he shouldn’t have been convicted of and ended up w life in prison. When HE HIMSELF, ALL HIS LIFE EXPECTED IT TO END THIS WAY or WITH HIM DEAD IN THE STREETS(wonder why he thought this..do any of you expect your life outcome to be this way??? I would assume no and there’s a reason for that)

The only thing positive I can say is I’m sure he set up his immediate family for life. I would assume he made something in the neighborhood of $50-$100 million dollars in his 25 years as underboss.Not to mention the money he made before that earning his nickname of “Wonder Boy” and cementing his reputation of earner and gangster in the 1970s and 80s.


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Hi there, I'm "The Other Guy", the partner, and other half of NYMafia. I'm the fella who puts out all the mob-story content.

Louiebynochi, you speak well and make several good points Louie. My partner is the one who follows the Crea case, Campos, and several others. She feels passionate about these people being "railroaded". And in some case "they are." The Crea case I do think is a good example of government overreach and "illegal" tactics.

I don't always agree with her viewpoints (in fact most times I don't agree or see it her way - lol), but I always agree with her right to say and feel the way she does. Thats HER thing. Her choice. I don't feel the need to denigrate her for it. What I do think she neglects to consider is why these events happen the way they do....the "base" case so to speak.

In actuality I do support her exposing these "underhanded tactics" of the government for two reasons. #1 - because it is wrong, and does go against our Constitution. Whether or not these fellas are gangsters, hoods, criminals, or mafiosi, there are way more than enough "legal" tools and stringent laws on the books (Rico etc), that they (the G) shouldn't have to resort to lies, schemes, perjury, fraud, etc etc, to win ANY conviction. The "playing field" is tilted so far in their favor already that it's a joke (and a tragedy that we even need to have this conversation). #2 - If the government, OUR government, can do that to a Crea (whom by the way we have no connection to or ulterior motive here), or a Campos, then they could do it to you or I, if the mood, desire, or need ever hit em. Could they, yes! Would they, who knows?

Today it is a Crea for being what they perceive is a mafioso. Tomorrow who know? It's been done in the past history of our country to people or groups they have targeted for whatever reasons. And it most certainly WILL be done in the future, for whatever reasons they so chose...and thats just wrong! In fact it's a chilling thought that anybody could be intentionally targeted even when they know he's innocent of a particular crime because they need to get em. (forget about being charged accidentally which we also know happens often enough).
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That said, I do feel that Crea and other guys in his category should have been smarter than to stay on "front street". He's NOT a choirboy, never was, never will be. We all know that. He knew that they were gunning for him. The G had brought several cases against him years earlier and he HAD to know that they had him under intense surveillance. Stevie also had to figure that there were "bugs" planted in his club, car, and home. That just as sure as I'm typing this now, that the G must have had a few rats close to him as well. In his gut he had to know it was just a matter of time until he fell, and fell hard.

You wanna have "position"? You wanna walk the walk? Then you know the feds, one way or another, are coming for you because you are way too high profile. It's gotta end bad. And it did! Crea himself had put a bullseye on his back. And the "bulls" went for it!

Members of my own family were targeted in much the same way years back. They were deeply in "the life", and were extremely savvy in their ability to evade prosecution for decades, so the FBI used many underhanded and illegal tactics to jail them. And in the end they were jailed. We made no excuses, they just went and did their time. The difference being that they eventually hit the streets again. Unfortunately Steve Crea will not.

I feel bad for his son Dominick, and of course Crea's wife and their immediate blood family. It's also tragic that his other son Stevie Jr. fell as hard as he did. 13 years in the jug for shit is a long time. Knowing the life as well as Stevie Sr. did know it, I'm actually very surprised that he kept his kid close to him. I personally would have chased the kid to go into legitimate business or at the worst, kept him sidelined so he could earn well but not be knee deep or as close to the flame as he obviously was.

If there's any "silver lining" here, and admittedly thats a tough one, it's that Crea didn't go away until he was in his early seventies, So he had a great run. Still, I'm sure thats of little consolation to his family at this time.

I do agree with you Louie about those Fee-Bee's at the least losing their jobs, if not getting arrested for their illegal actions....but we both know thats a pipe dream. The only reason why they were allowed to do what they did in the first place was because if was "green-lighted" at the highest levels of the government. Our government!

And THATS the scariest thought in all of this!
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Until next time... "The Other Guy"


PS: one more thing, and I'm speaking here directly to this "Moe Tilden" and whoever else is of his ilk, There is a way to disagree and convey your "counter" thoughts and viewpoints without resorting to nasty, and insulting words. Regardless of whether my partner Lisa spews a position you agree with or not, to try and be a "keyboard racketeer" makes you look very uneducated, and quite frankly like a punk. I would think and hope that was not your intentions and that you are not that way. Surely there is a better way for you to communicate your feelings than to resort to name calling and insults. There are always 6-8 horses in a race for a reason. Pick your horse (the position you like) and run with it. But there's no reason to denigrate others who chose another pony. Am I correct here?

I think NYM contributes a hell of a lot of great content to this forum. And it would be nice that we are shown a little "respect" and common courtesy. I do appreciate all the wonderful commentary and thumbs up for my stories and exposes', But Lisa is the "Ying to my Yang", I research and write all the stories and gather all the photos and news articles, and her contribution is to design the story layout artistically for all our forum members to enjoy.

So whatya say Moe, lets be cool and nice to each other ok?


thank you and much respect to you,your stance and the work you do. I absolutely enjoy your guys articles on the NY Mafia Website and the insight into the families across the country.. The layout,is second to none and terrific. I absolutely agree with your stance on the government and overreaching. When the feds have it out for someone they have been known to do whatever it takes to secure a conviction. If they can do it to one citizen,regardless of the citizens chosen station in life. Then they can absolutely do it to anyone else. The government does have most of the chips stacked in their favor, even though the Cosa Nostra overall has adapted to the laws and become much more secretive(like a secret society) and made it much more difficult to convict them of anything linking there high ranking people to crimes beyond gambling and loan sharking. Most of the crews dont even know nowadays what the other crews in the family are doing to generate income. Most of the members have also become more adept at not getting caught on wiretaps and have cloaked themselves in legitimate business to justify there income. They also outside of the colombos and bonnanos have started restricting membership to guys that have been around a long time,or done a lot of jail time and consequently, the people that the government has flipped as witnesses has been unpolished, fringe players, that dont play well in front of a jury...Also the people that suffer the most from the crimes gangsters commit,who also benefit the most financially, are unfortunately collateral damage of the life..Thats why so many of them have kids that are fucked up and on drugs, its usually a different story if they are able to avoid prison for a long time..Like in Crea's case..his one son is a gangster like him but the rest are law abiding lawyers and upstanding members of society.



Correct Louie.On everything you say.... if the guy lasts out on the streets until he's older and his kids are grown, most times (not always), but most times, they'll be ok. But if he went into the jug when they were little children, most kids got fucked up. Believe me I know first hand. I and my siblings were adults by the time my dad, uncles, and cousins fell. And it was still hard. And most of them weren't doing double-digit years inside either, although a few of them did serve decades.

Since when I was a little boy leading into young adulthood, my family brought me closely into their lives. "Very" closely. And kept me close. And taught me "the life" extremely well. As good as anybody, and I dare say better than 99.9% of the guys out there on the streets.

By the time I was in my forties my family members were telling me to stay away. That this life was now completely different from what it had once been, or was intended to be. I had to swear to my father, and again to my uncle on their respective deathbeds that I would NOT continue the life they'd brought me into (and had taught me very, very well).... I honor that promise still today.

So I know the pain firsthand that the Crea family feels, what that life is, and what the life is not. The good, bad, and ugly side to it, and how it usually ends up. I and my family were extremely fortunate to have come out "on top" in the life, across the board I might add. But as we well know, the vast majority do not.... I was told to quit while "we (my family and I) were way, way, ahead".... and we did. It was sage advice!

Ours was a story that started way back in the late 1800s-early 1900s in Sicily. We were among the originals" as they say. My forefathers came to this country and were early players in what would become Cosa Nostra. And we continued that play until the 1990s.......collectively we had almost a one-hundred year run... I think thats enough. How bout you? Lol






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Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: NYMafia] #996163
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NY mafia looking at the words that litter that long post up above, the word I would use and I think many others would use to use describe you is indoctrinated.

Look, I read the books and watch the movies like everyone else but that's as far as it goes.

These people would murder me in a second if it suited their needs or wants. They'd kill anyone. I'm sure not looking for any "silver lining" when one of these career criminal scumbag pieces of shit goes down hard.

These people are parasites. If their crimes were limited to fucking up deadbeats who owe a bookie or loanshark that would be one thing but that's not where it ends and you know it. There's an old saying, how do you cure a horse thief? You hang them.

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: alicecooper] #996164
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Originally Posted by alicecooper
NY mafia looking at the words that litter that long post up above, the word I would use and I think many others would use to use describe you is indoctrinated.

Look, I read the books and watch the movies like everyone else but that's as far as it goes.

These people would murder me in a second if it suited their needs or wants. They'd kill anyone. I'm sure not looking for any "silver lining" when one of these career criminal scumbag pieces of shit goes down hard.

These people are parasites. If their crimes were limited to fucking up deadbeats who owe a bookie or loanshark that would be one thing but that's not where it ends and you know it. There's an old saying, how do you cure a horse thief? You hang them.

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Alice, I would agree AND disagree with you on that one. It's the same as anything else in life. There are better ones, and there are worse ones. good and bad in all walks of life. To lump them all together does them (and you) an injustice because it is not a true picture. I've known many guys who were bookmakers, shylocks, and thieves all their lives and yet were the nicest guys you ever wanna meet. And loyal as a motherfucker if you were their friend or family. Great fathers, brothers, children, AND friends to many - in AND out of "the life".

And I've known many other guys who were complete animals, and as you say would rip you eye teeth out of your head for a nickel. Complete degenerates and sociopaths who should have been burned at the stake at birth..... good and bad. thats how life is!

Not to be partial (which I am of course), but family members of mine? thats just what "they did" for a living. But in EVERY other aspect of their lives they were the most conservative people, and religious people you'd ever hope to find.

Granted, they weren't stone killers (but they were no pushovers either) Lol, In general they were NOT vicious guys. But go fuck with one of them, and see how good you end up. Lol

So to paint EVERYBODY with a broad brush is not a true representation of the life, or many of the fellows in it.

But the BAD ones? And there were plenty of those too! They were real bad. I'm the first to admit it.

But we never hung around with trash like that. We tried to keep above the fray for the most part. And at least in our case we were able to...



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Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #996172
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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
I love thenewyorkmafia.com website and everything they put out. Phenomenally well written content. The people who are triggered by their ambition and willingness to view both sides of the coin is nothing short of pathetic to me. Don't stop doing what you're doing guys. I followed the Crea case closely. Anyone with a brain can see what the government did here. OC cases usually don't have very high appeal odds, but I would argue that the Crea case has one of the highest odds I've seen in a good while.



Ralphie, I really appreciate your glowing endorsement of our website, content, and viewpoints on the life.

We (Lisa and I) absolutely intend to continue with a wealth of great content... I think you'll love what coming up in the next few months.

I agree that Crea SHOULD have a good appeal, but as we both know, after conviction it's a steep uphill battle. Still, I do hope for his sake and that of his family that he gets some relief.

We are trying to finish up an pictorial/thumbnail expose' of the Chicago Outfit as we speak. hopefully it'll be out by tomorrow

Re: Steven Crea sentenced to life in prison [Re: Moe_Tilden] #996174
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For what it's worth, I as well enjoy the content you guys put out on the website, so keep up the good work.

I'm not a firsthand expert on the American mafia, since I'm from the other continent, but I have come across career criminals. Enough to know that it's not as black-and-white as it seems to be.

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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
For what it's worth, I as well enjoy the content you guys put out on the website, so keep up the good work.

I'm not a firsthand expert on the American mafia, since I'm from the other continent, but I have come across career criminals. Enough to know that it's not as black-and-white as it seems to be.



Thank you for the compliment TKJ. And I think you're point is well taken. Life in general is NOT black and white. And that world, and the players in it in particular is certainly not black and white. If you have met street people then you see that side of it for sure.

Good point!

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NY mafia looking at the words that litter that long post up above, the word I would use and I think many others would use to use describe you is indoctrinated.

Look, I read the books and watch the movies like everyone else but that's as far as it goes.

These people would murder me in a second if it suited their needs or wants. They'd kill anyone. I'm sure not looking for any "silver lining" when one of these career criminal scumbag pieces of shit goes down hard.

These people are parasites. If their crimes were limited to fucking up deadbeats who owe a bookie or loanshark that would be one thing but that's not where it ends and you know it. There's an old saying, how do you cure a horse thief? You hang them.

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Alice, I would agree AND disagree with you on that one. It's the same as anything else in life. There are better ones, and there are worse ones. good and bad in all walks of life. To lump them all together does them (and you) an injustice because it is not a true picture. I've known many guys who were bookmakers, shylocks, and thieves all their lives and yet were the nicest guys you ever wanna meet. And loyal as a motherfucker if you were their friend or family. Great fathers, brothers, children, AND friends to many - in AND out of "the life".

And I've known many other guys who were complete animals, and as you say would rip you eye teeth out of your head for a nickel. Complete degenerates and sociopaths who should have been burned at the stake at birth..... good and bad. thats how life is!

Not to be partial (which I am of course), but family members of mine? thats just what "they did" for a living. But in EVERY other aspect of their lives they were the most conservative people, and religious people you'd ever hope to find.

Granted, they weren't stone killers (but they were no pushovers either) Lol, In general they were NOT vicious guys. But go fuck with one of them, and see how good you end up. Lol

So to paint EVERYBODY with a broad brush is not a true representation of the life, or many of the fellows in it.

But the BAD ones? And there were plenty of those too! They were real bad. I'm the first to admit it.

But we never hung around with trash like that. We tried to keep above the fray for the most part. And at least in our case we were able to...




I think the theme here is collateral damage; as in how much of it these guys cause. I don't care about rackets made from people's personal vices per se, bookmakers, shylocks, etc.

But your example of the thief...who does he steal from? Someone known as a thief does a LOT of stealing. At least sometimes he steals from honest people. That's collateral damage from that way of life projected onto innocent people who don't deserve it.

I identify with the working man, not the guy who steals from him. An honest man has enough problems already without a crime syndicate essentially acting like steroids to the underworld.

Any made guy is a leech on society. That's just the way it is. How many times are innocent people killed, terrorized or victims of extortion just because they witnessed something or via other random circumstances? That's collateral damage. The mafia feeds off of society. Some of those it feeds off of deserve it, but many don't.

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Originally Posted by alicecooper
NY mafia looking at the words that litter that long post up above, the word I would use and I think many others would use to use describe you is indoctrinated.

Look, I read the books and watch the movies like everyone else but that's as far as it goes.

These people would murder me in a second if it suited their needs or wants. They'd kill anyone. I'm sure not looking for any "silver lining" when one of these career criminal scumbag pieces of shit goes down hard.

These people are parasites. If their crimes were limited to fucking up deadbeats who owe a bookie or loanshark that would be one thing but that's not where it ends and you know it. There's an old saying, how do you cure a horse thief? You hang them.

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Alice, I would agree AND disagree with you on that one. It's the same as anything else in life. There are better ones, and there are worse ones. good and bad in all walks of life. To lump them all together does them (and you) an injustice because it is not a true picture. I've known many guys who were bookmakers, shylocks, and thieves all their lives and yet were the nicest guys you ever wanna meet. And loyal as a motherfucker if you were their friend or family. Great fathers, brothers, children, AND friends to many - in AND out of "the life".

And I've known many other guys who were complete animals, and as you say would rip you eye teeth out of your head for a nickel. Complete degenerates and sociopaths who should have been burned at the stake at birth..... good and bad. thats how life is!

Not to be partial (which I am of course), but family members of mine? thats just what "they did" for a living. But in EVERY other aspect of their lives they were the most conservative people, and religious people you'd ever hope to find.

Granted, they weren't stone killers (but they were no pushovers either) Lol, In general they were NOT vicious guys. But go fuck with one of them, and see how good you end up. Lol

So to paint EVERYBODY with a broad brush is not a true representation of the life, or many of the fellows in it.

But the BAD ones? And there were plenty of those too! They were real bad. I'm the first to admit it.

But we never hung around with trash like that. We tried to keep above the fray for the most part. And at least in our case we were able to...




I think the theme here is collateral damage; as in how much of it these guys cause. I don't care about rackets made from people's personal vices per se, bookmakers, shylocks, etc.

But your example of the thief...who does he steal from? Someone known as a thief does a LOT of stealing. At least sometimes he steals from honest people. That's collateral damage from that way of life projected onto innocent people who don't deserve it.

I identify with the working man, not the guy who steals from him. An honest man has enough problems already without a crime syndicate essentially acting like steroids to the underworld.

Any made guy is a leech on society. That's just the way it is. How many times are innocent people killed, terrorized or victims of extortion just because they witnessed something or via other random circumstances? That's collateral damage. The mafia feeds off of society. Some of those it feeds off of deserve it, but many don't.


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When I say "thieves". I'm NOT talking sneak thieves or "predators" robbing houses or innocent people. We never did that sort of scumbag thing. My family was accused (and later convicted) of taking down several million from a multi-national corporation that sticks it in your ass, that of your family and friends, and my ass ever day. Lol....Victims??? Fuck Them!! WE are all them victims of these "predator" corporations that have us by the balls.

I only wish we beat them them for more than they accused us of! Lol...

Like I told you on our first conversation and "go around", there are bottom-feeding wiseguys, and then there are classy WISEGUYS!

Good guys who you'd actually NOT like, you'd LOVE em if you met em! And then there are the bottom-feeders, the heartless, scumbags with NO moral compass. They actually give a "bad name" to the brotherhood, if that makes any sense to you.




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Whatever helps you sleep at night

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Did I read this right? Someone in your family stole millions from a corporation and you’re justifying it because said corporations steals money from us? LOL

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Originally Posted by Ben54
Whatever helps you sleep at night


Ben54,

Lol... I sleep like a rock! Always have and always will!

And I'm not trying to "justify" anything, just telling it the way it was.... like I mentioned in an earlier post, thats why there's multiple horses in a race. Pick the one you prefer and go with it.


One more little piece of advice, don't judge! Lest you be judged as well

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I didnt like they charged crea with loansharking was it 100k to another member of the luchese family that's fucking retarded. The feds charged abunch of colombos with trying to extort the gambino family into paying medical Bill's for a colombo member. If the guys are not pressing charges why the paper work. I know why it's a predicate act and gives them the upper hand in a rico trial but that shit is petty to me

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