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Which was the smallest family in 1963? #995864
08/21/20 11:59 PM
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This FBI chart shows the U.S families in 1963. Who would have been the smallest in terms of made members? My guess is Colorado? And second is Milwaukee? What do you guess answer?


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Re: Which was the smallest family in 1963? [Re: Primo] #995870
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Maybe Madison. Carlo Caputo is missing from this chart but the Madison family voted to disband by 1973

The chart's also missing the Sam DeCavalvante, James Lanza from San Francisco, Joseph Zammuto from Rockford and Frank Zito from Springfield IL

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I would say San Jose or San Francisco,both had in 1960s ar least only 20-25 made men.

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new orleans had 6 made members according to joe colombo at that time

Re: Which was the smallest family in 1963? [Re: Primo] #995878
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The small families to me is one of the most intriguing topics when it come to organized crime.




Originally Posted by Primo
This FBI chart shows the U.S families in 1963. Who would have been the smallest in terms of made members? My guess is Colorado? And second is Milwaukee? What do you guess answer?


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@chin were they all observed as being on the commission at this time? or maybe they were represented by another family and weren't listed?


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Well Marbleguy, you are gonna be very happy then. Because coincidentally, I just completed an extensive (as much as their history would allow anyway LOL) story on
"The Madison Family of LCN"..... certainly the smallest borgata ever.

My partner is just formatting the design now. We should have it up in a few hours ok?

I hope you enjoy reading about them

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@NYMafia awesome. I just responded to the Cerrito thread also. Great stuff!


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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
@NYMafia awesome. I just responded to the Cerrito thread also. Great stuff!





Madison is posted. Enjoy!!

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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
The small families to me is one of the most intriguing topics when it come to organized crime.




Originally Posted by Primo
This FBI chart shows the U.S families in 1963. Who would have been the smallest in terms of made members? My guess is Colorado? And second is Milwaukee? What do you guess answer?


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@chin were they all observed as being on the commission at this time? or maybe they were represented by another family and weren't listed?


The only families on the Commission in the 1960s were the New York families, Buffalo, Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit

Re: Which was the smallest family in 1963? [Re: m2w] #995961
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Originally Posted by m2w
new orleans had 6 made members according to joe colombo at that time

Where did you get this information from? They were undoubtedly a small family but I thought they were in the 20-25 range at that time.

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new orleans had 6 made members according to joe colombo at that time

Where did you get this information from? They were undoubtedly a small family but I thought they were in the 20-25 range at that time.


On 4 December 1968, Greg Scarpa attended a Christmas party attended by some captains and the members who reported direct to Colombo. At that party, Colombo gave a speech where he updated those present on the leadership of the New York families and gave a history of LCN in America:

'COLOMBO explained that the first "family" came from Sicily and settled in New Orleans and inasmuch as they were the predecessor of all subsequent "families" have always been afforded the highest respect and esteem and have always maintained themselves highly. In fact, COLOMBO pointed out that whereas other "families" would have to go to the "Commission", of which COLOMBO proudly boasted being a member, the New Orleans "family", because of exalted position, could make decisions on its own. COLOMBO then cited the example that at the present time the New Orleans "family" under MARCELLO had only five remaining members, the "boss", "underboss", "consulieri", and two "soldiers", the youngest of which was either 44 or 46 years of age, and faces the possibility of dying out unless new members are made. COLOMBO said New Orleans could have, on its own, "opened the books", but because of the tact and diplomacy of MARCELLO, went before the "Commission" for approval in making new "soldiers", which the "Commission" naturally granted. (Informant believes this was the reason for the La Stella Restaurant meeting). Informant said COLOMBO then explained that in the near future, New Orleans would be enlarging its "family" and that if anyone heard of new members being "made", this would not be the case in the tri-state area.'

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=92071&search=%22persico%22_and+%22franzese%22#relPageId=4&tab=page

Re: Which was the smallest family in 1963? [Re: chin_gigante] #996008
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This is very interesting information. It comes back to my theory that most people have a very flat or 1 dimensional understanding of LCN. Their are subtle nuances that like that that can't be quantified. Most people would assume that New Orleans wasn't as much an important factor because it wasn't heavily associated with NY or the Outfit. Being the "first Family" would warrant respect, though I would say their location along with Marcello vast earning capabilities made them a force


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