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Sonny Franzese would be a better boss thanPersico? #995366
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if Spnny Franzese wouldn't get nailed for robbery in 1967 and as a powerful capo would be a better candidate for a boss rose after Colombo shooting in 1972?

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If Sonny hadn't fallen for the 50 year bid on that trumped up bank robbery conspiracy case, he WOULD HAVE BECOME THE BOSS. Hands Down!!

NOBODY had his rep, background, experience or "flavor" and fortitude so to speak. He was a highly respected mafioso!

But would he have been a good boss? Well that depends.

In some ways he would have been a fabulous boss. In some other ways?? I'm not sure. Like anything else in life, everybody has their strong points and their weaknesses. Sonny was no different. Good AND bad. Like all of us.

Re: Sonny Franzese would be a better boss thanPersico? [Re: NYMafia] #995384
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Originally Posted by NYMafia
If Sonny hadn't fallen for the 50 year bid on that trumped up bank robbery conspiracy case, he WOULD HAVE BECOME THE BOSS. Hands Down!!

NOBODY had his rep, background, experience or "flavor" and fortitude so to speak. He was a highly respected mafioso!

But would he have been a good boss? Well that depends.

In some ways he would have been a fabulous boss. In some other ways?? I'm not sure. Like anything else in life, everybody has their strong points and their weaknesses. Sonny was no different. Good AND bad. Like all of us.



I think that he wouldn't use nepotism like Persico did and that after the commission case he would step down as boss so the colombos would have a 3 war but its just my opinion.

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I think if he doesn’t go to prison he would be underboss under Persico..I don’t beleive he was the underboss under Colombo ,Sal Mineo was the underboss but sonny was one of the top skippers

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
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https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
I think if he doesn’t go to prison he would be underboss under Persico..I don’t beleive he was the underboss under Colombo ,Sal Mineo was the underboss but sonny was one of the top skippers


Sal mineo? The actor? SONNY aas the underboss from early 1960s until his arrest in 1967.

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I believe he was promoted to underboss in 1963 and served in that position until he exhausted his appeals and went to prison in 1970. In 2003, he was promoted to acting underboss and then to official underboss in early 2005, at the incredible age of 88.

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Salvatore (Charlie Lemons) Mineo was only the underboss (or consigliere) for a very short duration during the transition after Joe Colombo was shot. He was an old man who was ALWAYS only a soldier. He was never even a Capo. I don't think Charlie was there for even 6 months/1 year tops.

Sonny was elevated by Joe Colombo in 1964-65 shortly after Joe became the boss of the entire crew. They were very close and Sonny was his whip.

Franzese served in that position for several years until the "heat" generated by his multiple cases and the 24/7 surveillance made his operating and functioning too difficult for the borgata.

But even as a "capo" he was SO well respected, especially as he aged, that he was ALWAYS thought of as a 'BOSS" not even an underboss if that makes any sense to you. ALL made guys in NYC and thoughtout the country afforded him a respect given to few.

Even when Junior knocked him down to a "soldier" status. A position many don't realize Sonny held for years, Most who interacted with him still gave him a respect way above that of a normal soldier.

And of course he got his next go around in the early 2000's. To be again named UB at that age shows how much Junior needed Sonny's expertise and "legend" status to help bolster the troops one again and amalgamate everyone under the Persico umbrella. In truth Persico feared Sonny's "star status" is probably the best way I can put it. So even as a capo Persico did his best to kinda hold Sonny down. **Read my BIO on him or my "Franzese Regime of LI and Brooklyn" expose for a better understanding of what went on with all of this.

I don't even think its really debatable. John (Sonny) Franzese was in a category all his own. In my book, he was ALWAYS the boss!

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According to Scarpa, Mineo became underboss in 1964 at the same time that Colombo became the boss. When the captains were told to poll their soldiers on what they thought, they were asked specifically about having Colombo as boss and Mineo as the underboss. They were both approved and installed at the same time. Mineo was then consistently referred to as the underboss throughout the rest of Colombo's reign and was still the underboss at the time that Colombo was shot.

I don't know where the misinformation about Franzese being the underboss in the 1960s comes from. I know Michael Franzese has said it but I don't know whether he was the original source for that or not. Scarpa was consistent in his description of Mineo as the underboss and he was in a very strong position to know, considering that he (Scarpa) reported direct to Colombo up until he was incapacitated.

Could be something like the Bonanno family in the 1960s when some sources incorrectly identified Galante as underboss when we know from Joe Bonanno, Bill Bonanno and other contemporary sources within the family in the 1960s that Frank Garofalo and then John Morales were the underbosses with no one else in between them.

Re: Sonny Franzese would be a better boss thanPersico? [Re: chin_gigante] #995417
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Originally Posted by chin_gigante
According to Scarpa, Mineo became underboss in 1964 at the same time that Colombo became the boss. When the captains were told to poll their soldiers on what they thought, they were asked specifically about having Colombo as boss and Mineo as the underboss. They were both approved and installed at the same time. Mineo was then consistently referred to as the underboss throughout the rest of Colombo's reign and was still the underboss at the time that Colombo was shot.

I don't know where the misinformation about Franzese being the underboss in the 1960s comes from. I know Michael Franzese has said it but I don't know whether he was the original source for that or not. Scarpa was consistent in his description of Mineo as the underboss and he was in a very strong position to know, considering that he (Scarpa) reported direct to Colombo up until he was incapacitated.

Could be something like the Bonanno family in the 1960s when some sources incorrectly identified Galante as underboss when we know from Joe Bonanno, Bill Bonanno and other contemporary sources within the family in the 1960s that Frank Garofalo and then John Morales were the underbosses with no one else in between them.




Chin, the "underboss" position was established as the "buffer" and runner so to speak for the boss. He interacts with all skippers and other tops members. In both their own family and the other 4 crews. Mineo was a "sleeper" nearly his whole life. Many guys didn't even know who he was.

He only came to light after Colombo got shot. Underbosses are usually VERY well known and out there on the street. IMO - that factor alone debunks any thought that Mineo was the underboss of a very high profile family like the Colombos.

As far as Scarpa goes. Even though he did provide much good intel about the workings of the family, Scarpa was a bullshitter and liar to the hilt. Who said things (or not) according to what he felt benefitted him.

Again Mineo IMO was always just a soldato. Another perfect example was Tommy DiBella. He was ONLY a soldier for many decades. Another sleeper little known to the public. DiBella only became a household word after he was elevated to the acting boss roll during turmoil in the 1970s. Then LE found out about him and he was well publicized.

If Mineo had been in that position for years he would have been exposed long before he was. In fact I actually believe Mineo went into the "consigliere" senior-advisor role because he was so low key. Perfect spot for him.

He was elderly if I remember correctly. The UB role is usually an active spot.

No way to know 100%. and for sure the Colombo's played a lot of musical chairs in that era, but thats my take on it.

Re: Sonny Franzese would be a better boss thanPersico? [Re: furio_from_naples] #995418
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
I think if he doesn’t go to prison he would be underboss under Persico..I don’t beleive he was the underboss under Colombo ,Sal Mineo was the underboss but sonny was one of the top skippers


Sal mineo? The actor? SONNY aas the underboss from early 1960s until his arrest in 1967.


I don’t know who the actor is ,I just know who the underboss was in the 60s and it wasn’t sonny ..


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Colombo family chart in the 60s. Confirmed by all the fbi informants


Boss-Joseph Colombo
Underboss-Sal Mineo
Consigliere-Benny dalesaandro
Capo-Vinny Aloi
Capo-Simone Andolino
Capo-Henry Fontana
Capo-Jiggs Forlano
Capo-Sonny Franseze
Capo-Richard Fusco
Capo-John Misuraca
Capo-Sal Mussachio
Capo-John Bath Beach Oddo
Capo-Junior Persico
Capo-Nick Sorrentino


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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There’s not one fbi file or informant that says he was underboss in the 60s...I beleive cause of media coverage w his frame job and continuing w Michael franseze hero worship this is where these rumors came to be..Sonny was 100% the Underboss in the 2000s


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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I'm going to lay out my evidence because I have to 100% disagree with the stance that Mineo wasn't underboss during the 1960s. I also strongly disagree that the underboss position needs to be an active buffer. That is typically how it functions but it is not necessarily always true (e.g., the Bonanno family functioned without an underboss from 1979 to 1984; Pasquale Martirano was terminally ill and could do little in terms of active involvement when he was made the underboss in Philadelphia in 1990; Ignazio Denaro was Philly underboss in the 60s but was less active than capo Phil Testa who functioned as a de facto second-in-command in the family; Salvatore Vitale had responsibilities gradually stripped away from him as underboss). The evidence that Mineo was the underboss is very compelling and it's the same evidence that has Franzese as a capo during that period:

30 March 1964:
Scarpa spoke with James Rubertone (acting capo for Ambrose Magliocco) and was told that Colombo will be named the new boss and Mineo the underboss
The capos had been asked to survey their soldiers to find out their opinions on Colombo and Mineo
Scarpa told him that he thought Colombo and Mineo were a good selection

05 April 1964:
A ceremony was held to to install Colombo as the boss and Mineo as the underboss
Capos in the family attended the ceremony as well representatives from seven other families (including Detroit)

11 June 1964:
A meeting was held to introduce the capos in the family to the members who would be reporting direct to Colombo
Scarpa attended the meeting as a member of Colombo's regime and identified Mineo as the underboss and Franzese as a capo

05 January 1965:
It was reported that Carmine Persico was reported to capo
Mineo, while serving as underboss, was also responsible for a crew that included Anthony Abbatemarco, Anthony Ricciardi, Joe Yacovelli, Allie Giannattasio and James Cordella
Persico was given control of this crew due to Mineo's poor health

31 August 1967:
Scarpa reported that Franzese, still a capo, was lying very low and that Mimi Scialo was serving as his acting capo (Franzese also did not attend Colombo's son's wedding in December 1967 due to law enforcement heat)

04 December 1968:
Scarpa attended a party held for capos and members of Colombo's regime
Mineo attended and was once again identified as the underboss

07 July 1971:
Scarpa advised that a meeting was recently held in the wake of Colombo's shooting
Mineo, Joe Yacovelli, Carmine Persico, Joe Iannaci, Nick Bianco, Rocco Miraglia, Vinny Aloi, Jiggs Forlano, Duke Santoro, Mimi Scialo and possibly one or two others attended
Mineo was once again identified as the underboss at the time of this meeting
Mineo was asked to become the acting boss but turned it down, citing his age and health
Yacovelli then became the acting boss

Also, prior to Colombo's shooting, Scarpa identified Mineo as the underboss and that he had attended IACRL rallies

In October 1967, an FBI report laid out the hierarchy of the Colombo family as follows:

Joseph Colombo (Boss)
Charles Mineo (Underboss)
Benedetto D'Alessandro (Consigliere)
Vincent Aloi (Capo)
Simone Andolino (Capo)
Harry Fontana (Capo)
Nicholas Forlano (Capo)
John Franzese (Capo)
Frank Fusco (Capo)
John Misuraca (Capo)
Salvatore Musacchio (Capo)
John Oddo (Capo)
Carmine Persico (Capo)
Nicoline Sorrentino (Capo)

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I know it is an unconventional thought, and not typically done. But do you think it's in the realm of possibilities that Sonny WAS the underboss, and yet maintained a full "Regime" under him? And that Little Joey Brancato served as his "acting capo" for years? and Mimi and others also served in that slot as needed?

It has been very well documented by the VERY SAME informers and FBI you quote that Joe Colombo (although boss), kept his very "OWN REGIME" of over 15 good fellows and many, many top associates at the very same time he was the family leader?? Bosses don't typically do that!

Of course that could be (and IMO WAS the case with Sonny as well). Although Sonny changed hats several times, he was smart enough, and respected enough, to be allowed to keep his personal "crew" on the side. This was done twofold. For his personal earning power. as well as the "Strength" he provided Colombo against any possible insurrections in the family to Colombo's power. That is why BOTH Colombo and Franzese maintained their own personal "armies",

And one more thing while we are at it. And this is FACT, not conjecture on my part.

It has been well documented by both local rackets squads and the FBI that Sonny ALWAYS maintained another "personal crew" "on the side" of his top personal men who did his bidding. NOT necessarily "made", but as good if not better than made guys who had allegiance to Sonny and Sonny alone.

So much so that good fellows from all the families knew this, Persico knew this, Colombo knew this, etc etc. He was extra feared because of it. Franzese was one of the most unconventional mafioso who ever lived.

His personal "guard" so to speak and devout followers that numbered in the dozens. Franzese ran what amounted to a "Family within a Family"....fact! I'm talking in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s era. They were "recognized and afforded the respect of good fellows" yet, were NOT beholden to the hierarchy per se.

Preposterous you say? Never could happen you say?.... think again! If you can imagine it, it could happen. and it did in his case!

He was SOOO respected that he was never challenged for it.

PS: if you haven't already do so. Please visit my website and tap into my extensive personal biography on John (Sonny) Franzese under the Colombo Family link. Read the whole thing. But especially the list of his personal regime and "associates" crew. Massive!!


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This subject is interesting the more that I look into it.

I always thought Sonny Franzese was Underboss under Joe Colombo.

But let me state; Only Micheal Franzese mentions this in his interviews Where are the other sources??

I’ve also read that Carmine Persico was “Underboss” under Tom DiBella but Persico had the most say. Then you read that there was no Underboss in that period. I don’t even know.



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I do believe it is possible that the underboss could maintain a regime and I can certainly think of a few cases where that was true (e.g., Marco Reginelli and Philip Leonetti from the Philadelphia family, possibly also acting Philadelphia underboss Frank Martines). In fact, I also believe that it did happen with the Colombo family in the 1960s but, as the evidence suggests, with Mineo, not Franzese.

The fact that Franzese had an acting capo does not prove that he was the underboss (as there are several other explanations, such as law enforcement heat, to explain why acting capos are promoted), nor does it disprove that Mineo was the underboss. Mineo was repeatedly documented to be the underboss and served in the role while simultaneously having his own regime (until Persico was given control of it). Franzese having a level of respect and influence greater than most captains does not make him the underboss.

I have read your biography of Franzese and was disappointed to find no actual evidence or sources to support your claims that Franzese was underboss in the 1960s or that he was promoted to capo in the 1950s (whereas Scarpa clearly states that Franzese was promoted by to capo by Joseph Magliocco in 1962). If you could provide me with any links to documents, files or reports to substantiate your claims I would happily take that into account and weigh it against the, as I see it, compelling and consistent identification of Charles Mineo as Colombo's underboss.

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It’s possible for a underboss to have a crew. You’re right. I believe Frank Scalise had a crew in Jersey. All heavy hitters. He was under Albert Anastasia.

Louis Manna was Consigliere under Chin. Think he had control of 4-5 crews in Jersey.

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There’s no debate here...there’s not one informant during that time frame that said he was the underboss. ...not from the other families or the Colombos. Not once during the wiretaps in the 2000s did he himself say he was the underboss in the 1960s. And him havin people w him,whether he was a soldier or captain that’s the way the mob works..when your an associate you belong forever to the guy your with unless he chooses to release you or you get made.
Not to mention the wire taps w Sam the plumber describe Mineo as the underboss during this time frame

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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It’s possible for a underboss to have a crew. You’re right. I believe Frank Scalise had a crew in Jersey. All heavy hitters. He was under Albert Anastasia.

Louis Manna was Consigliere under Chin. Think he had control of 4-5 crews in Jersey.

Neil Dellacroce is another example.He served as the Gambino's #2 under Carlo,and then Paul, and was basically given Carte Blanche to run his own operations.
Actually.he had one of the sweetest deals in the Mafia world. He served minimal jail time, earned a ton of money from his crews,and had as much power as many Bosses.He did what he wanted,and kicked up his share to keep the status quo. He was smart enough to stay where he was and avoid the unwanted attention and increased Law Enforcement pressure that the top spot would bring.Just like Carlo,he died wealthy.free,and in bed.

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I'll tell you what men. Let's agree too disagree as gentlemen ok? Everybody has their opinions on the subject. I certainly have my own (for my own very good reasons). I respect everybody positions. And from your perspectives I can readily understand why you would take the stance you have.

I feel differently based upon my own knowledge, understanding, and my own personal reasons.

PS: I'm going to make another very controversial statement..... and here it is: Vincent Gigante WAS ALREADY the boss of the Genovese Family by 1980-81. He was only thought of as a captain. I believe Frank Tieri or whoever they had listed up there was supposedly the boss according to the FBI. But they didn't have Chin listed as such.

Gigante was at least the "Acting Boss" already if NOT the official boss.

We do know in later years the FBI realized Salerno was only an underboss or "front boss". that Chin was already up there. But what I'm saying is that Gigante was boss before it became public knowledge even among many mob guys. Unless you were among a certain top few in various crews, most "made guys" didn't even know what was what.

I doubt you will hear that anywhere. And I'm really not looking to debate it.... But it is a fact that I know. Now how would I have information like that you may ask?

Well thats another conversation altogether that I cannot have. Again, it's just food for thought. Consider it or not.... I'm not saying to take it for gospel. (But I do. my choice right?)

There are many things about this life that are not in newspapers, in FBI 302 reports, even with things informers say (even the supposedly knowledgeable ones - made guys etc).

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What about the wire taps of Sam the plumber saying Mineo was the underboss????

It’s important to get these things right on the forums so there’s not misinformation going around

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Originally Posted by Lou_Para
Originally Posted by Zavattoni
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It’s possible for a underboss to have a crew. You’re right. I believe Frank Scalise had a crew in Jersey. All heavy hitters. He was under Albert Anastasia.

Louis Manna was Consigliere under Chin. Think he had control of 4-5 crews in Jersey.

Neil Dellacroce is another example.He served as the Gambino's #2 under Carlo,and then Paul, and was basically given Carte Blanche to run his own operations.
Actually.he had one of the sweetest deals in the Mafia world. He served minimal jail time, earned a ton of money from his crews,and had as much power as many Bosses.He did what he wanted,and kicked up his share to keep the status quo. He was smart enough to stay where he was and avoid the unwanted attention and increased Law Enforcement pressure that the top spot would bring.Just like Carlo,he died wealthy.free,and in bed.



Dellacroce didn’t even become the underboss until the late 1960s. Even in the 60s he was passed over and Castellano was made acting boss for a few months ... dellacroce was first made a capo of guys like Anthony Ruggiano during the 1950s and early 1960s

Click the link below for the fbi reports on this from the 1960s


But Neil and Joe gallo had long runs and made a ton of money but nothing compared to Castellano ...I believe Joe Gallo and Neil we’re Allies much more than Paul and Joe


[img]https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=113324&search=Franzese#relPageId=73&tab=page[/img]

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/

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