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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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07/14/20 09:17 AM
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It certainly seems that way.
One thing from the book that's left out of the movie is that after the peace is made at the conference, they continue discussing other matters, including that high-level executions would have to be run past the other families before they're carried out. So the Corleones public choice is either jabber with Barzini, or to turn a blind eye and give the impression that they've gone soft.
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"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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07/14/20 10:54 AM
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When Barzini says the traffic in narcotics will be permitted but controlled,and Don Corleone will provide protection in the East,and so will be the peace, and Vito agrees to keep that peace, I think that they are strictly referring to ending the war over Narcotics. With 5 major Families all operating in New York, there have always been incursions into each others territory. Mostly,they are settled with sit downs, sometimes with more aggressive arbitration techniques. My point is that if Barzini was weaseling into the Corleone rackets,it was outside the scope of the peace agreement made at the Commission, since it didn't involve the drug business.
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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07/14/20 12:03 PM
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The peace agreement was just a ploy on both Corleone and Barzini to buy time in order to plot the others inevitable demise. Barzini could not survive for Corleone's peace of mind and continued strength, and in order for Barzini to become the most powerful Don, Corleone had to be eliminated.
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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07/15/20 12:27 AM
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When Barzini says the traffic in narcotics will be permitted but controlled,and Don Corleone will provide protection in the East,and so will be the peace, and Vito agrees to keep that peace, I think that they are strictly referring to ending the war over Narcotics. With 5 major Families all operating in New York, there have always been incursions into each others territory. Mostly,they are settled with sit downs, sometimes with more aggressive arbitration techniques. My point is that if Barzini was weaseling into the Corleone rackets,it was outside the scope of the peace agreement made at the Commission, since it didn't involve the drug business. I too “think that they are strictly referring to ending the war over Narcotics†If my memory serves me right, my understanding, the Commission meeting achieved peace solutions for - Barzini: Don Corleone will give protection and there will be peace ie: the only peace Barzini made was in respect of the drugs trade Vito swears "that I will not be the one to break the peace we made today." ie: Vito will continue to give protection for the drugs trade Barzini made no peace that he would not chisel Corleones' territory! forgoing individual vendetta, each having lost a son Vito and Tattaglia made peace with each other not to avenge the murders of their sons clearing of all these false Sollozzo business charges! and ensuring Michael's safety It seems to me the peace made at the Commission meeting related to, 1. Vito's protection for the drugs trade 2. Vito and Tattaglia forgoing vengeance 3. Michael's safe return and staying safe It had nothing to do with business!
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
[Re: mustachepete]
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07/31/20 12:03 AM
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Makes sense Pete that Tessio's domain being adjacent to Barzini's was easier, convenient pickings than Clemenza's. Tessio was unlucky! Tessio: [fish tank scene] with Vito gone, me and Pete will come under Barzini's thumb sooner or later Looks like Tessio chose sooner! Patience is a virtue Then they could “all live happily for a hundred years†If you could ask one question Did Clemenza really pass the loyalty test? though or Perhaps Clemenza was just lucky! by sitting tight and doing nothing because he was not losing his territories, got away with it? ie: Clemenza's loyalty was not tested?
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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07/31/20 02:45 PM
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Did Clemenza really pass the loyalty test? though or
Perhaps Clemenza was just lucky! by sitting tight and doing nothing because he was not losing his territories, got away with it? ie: Clemenza's loyalty was not tested?
Choosing to do nothing is an active, conscious decision. Michael asked both to be patient. Clem was patient, so he did what Michael told him to do. That showed loyalty. I also saw in that scene a hint, perhaps, of things to come. Vito finally intervenes and says to Clem and Tess: "Do you trust my judgment?" "Always, Godfather," Clem replies, fervently. Tess hisses, "Yessss...." And, if I'm not mistaken, as they leave, Tess gives Michael a left-handed handshake--a sure sign of perfidy to come.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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08/08/20 09:30 PM
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Did Clemenza really pass the loyalty test? though or
Perhaps Clemenza was just lucky! by sitting tight and doing nothing because he was not losing his territories, got away with it? ie: Clemenza's loyalty was not tested?
Choosing to do nothing is an active, conscious decision. Michael asked both to be patient. Clem was patient, so he did what Michael told him to do. That showed loyalty. No doubt it is easy to be patient and do nothing, when not losing his territories like Tessio Let off the hook
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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08/08/20 09:59 PM
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Did Clemenza really pass the loyalty test? though or
Perhaps Clemenza was just lucky! by sitting tight and doing nothing because he was not losing his territories, got away with it? ie: Clemenza's loyalty was not tested?
Choosing to do nothing is an active, conscious decision. Michael asked both to be patient. Clem was patient, so he did what Michael told him to do. That showed loyalty. No doubt it is easy to be patient and do nothing, when not losing his territories like Tessio Let off the hook Clem vigorously supported Tessio at the beginning of that scene. After Tess said, "...sooner or later, me an' Pete will come under Barzini's thumb," Clem piped right up: "An' I hate that goddamn Barzini." He also asked Vito's permission for Tess and he to form their own family, But, when his Don asked him to be a friend to Michael, he was a friend to Michael, and when asked to be patient, he was patient.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Barzini break the peace?
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08/09/20 08:38 PM
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Did Clemenza really pass the loyalty test? though or
Perhaps Clemenza was just lucky! by sitting tight and doing nothing because he was not losing his territories, got away with it? ie: Clemenza's loyalty was not tested?
Choosing to do nothing is an active, conscious decision. Michael asked both to be patient. Clem was patient, so he did what Michael told him to do. That showed loyalty. No doubt it is easy to be patient and do nothing, when not losing his territories like Tessio Let off the hook Clem vigorously supported Tessio at the beginning of that scene. After Tess said, "...sooner or later, me an' Pete will come under Barzini's thumb," Clem piped right up: "An' I hate that goddamn Barzini." He also asked Vito's permission for Tess and he to form their own family, But, when his Don asked him to be a friend to Michael, he was a friend to Michael, and when asked to be patient, he was patient. True Turnbull but the fact remains he was not backed into a corner like Tessio
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