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Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made #991124
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There's a lot of guys who were made who were only half Italian. Gotti jr is Jewish. John Veasey I don't think was 100% Italian. Marcello was half Irish. Would it be an issue if a Black guy, who's father was Italian, became a made guy? If so, how would it be any different than everybody else who was only half Italian that became made?

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991125
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Marcello was absolutely 100% not half Irish.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Jshov31] #991137
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I don't see any scenario under which a Black man,regardless of any degree of Italian lineage would ever be made.
The Mob is not about "political correctness" or Equal Opportunity.
There is one reason that a Black man could not be made.and it's very simple - he"s Black. Fair or not,like it or don't,that's the deal.
To Italian gangsters, making a "mulinyan" (their word,not mine) would be worse than making a woman.
No respect from other made guys in the same family, and certainly not from any other Family.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991140
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Gotti jr is NOT jewish. His mother is 3/4 italian. His mothers father ( his grandfather ) was 100% italian. His grandmother was half jewish ( great grandfather was jewish). Any guy with that background could still be made.
His mothers maiden name was DeGiorgio .

There is no way the mob would make a guy half black, no way. Even though its 2020, the mob looks down on blacks. It is what it is. A lot of that stems from the fact that a many old italian neighborhoods are now black and crime ridden. The other poster is right, political correctness is not a phrase the mafia recognizes.

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Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991141
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I'm amazed there aren't more LCN mobsters of Irish descent. You're telling me out of thousands of guys, there isn't one who had some Irish heritage? I mean there's Henry Hill who had a non-Italian surname that worked against him, but there's got to be a good few with Italian surnames who have Irish blood. Robert De Niro and Marlon Brando are some of the most famous Italian-Americans out there and they're barely Italian at all; John Travolta is half-Irish. Irish and Italians have been emigrating to America since the mid-to-late 1800s and have gradually started cross pollinating more and more. This isn't reflected within the mafia. Though if a mobster has an Irish mother or is 1/4 Irish on their mother's side, it's probably not in their best interests, perhaps not even relevant, to admit it.

It's actually an interesting question OP. If Tommy Del Giorno can be made when he's half Polish, and if Junior Gotti and Frank Salemme can rise to boss despite having other heritage, then why should a "Tommy Russo" who has a black mother be excluded just because he's half-caste?


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Moe_Tilden] #991146
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Being half irish and half black are totally different in the eyes of the traditional mafia. Someone with irish or german on the mothers side can now be made if the father is italian with an italian last name.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991157
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deleted. No racist slurs on these boards!

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Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Fazool] #991166
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Originally Posted by Fazool
absolutley if youre a fuckin eggplant they aint makin fuckin nothing except maybe let you do a fuckin piece of fuckin work and get fuckin put in the ground themselves after


Quit acting like a racist tough guy online.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Fazool] #991172
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Originally Posted by Fazool
absolutley if youre a fuckin eggplant they aint makin fuckin nothing except maybe let you do a fuckin piece of fuckin work and get fuckin put in the ground themselves after

maybe its the fact that sicilians/italians are the historical descendants of "smokes" as you'd say, thats the real reason they hate them so much...... classic self-loathing lol we already know if you don't have a italian surname, you're not getting made period. And lots of wiseguys are prejudice but doesn't mean you 'Fanook , oh I mean Fazool can be a douchebag


"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991173
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take it easy

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991178
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Dennis Hopper said it best.


"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991179
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Deleted. No more racist slurs.

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Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Dob_Peppino] #991182
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Cut it out! Take it offline. And, no more racist slurs on this or any other board!


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E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991183
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wont happen again i apologize just got heated up you know how they fuckin talk around here

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991184
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If they'd make a movie about a black made man, you know Giancarlo Esposito would be the perfect cast.

On a more serious note : are we 100% sure that John Veasey was made ?

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991185
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Obama had a african father and white mother ans many black people dont consider him a african american.
The LCN wont never made a meticcio even if had an italian surname.
When existed the little italies around the US was easy to find a full blooded italian but from the 1980s the families inducted any men that deserve it even if wasnt italian on the mother side.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #991192
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Dennis Hopper said it best.


I wonder if that scenario happened in real life, if the ending would be the same lol

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In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Dennis Hopper said it best.


I wonder if that scenario happened in real life, if the ending would be the same lol


Do you refer to the fact that siggies would kill Hooper?
Yes and if had times they would kill him slowly.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: furio_from_naples] #991198
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
Dennis Hopper said it best.


I wonder if that scenario happened in real life, if the ending would be the same lol


Do you refer to the fact that siggies would kill Hooper?
Yes and if had times they would kill him slowly.


Yup, slowly, what about the rest of OC in Southern Italy. Pretty sure, you say that about the females in their blood, same result.


In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991204
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Originally Posted by TheSitDown
Marcello was half Irish.


Which Marcello?

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991206
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Bent Finger Lou wasnt straightened out, but he is half Irish. His Dad was also a Philly Cop. Should be no surprise he ended up going bad.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991222
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Heh. Never knew that re: Bent Finger.


I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Bent finger Lou is a total pussy. Acted like a tough guy and is afraid to do a year in jail. What a total fag! And a rat.

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Originally Posted by dixiemafia
Originally Posted by TheSitDown
Marcello was half Irish.


Which Marcello?


Little Jimmy from Chicago, not Carlos.


"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
I'm amazed there aren't more LCN mobsters of Irish descent. You're telling me out of thousands of guys, there isn't one who had some Irish heritage? I mean there's Henry Hill who had a non-Italian surname that worked against him, but there's got to be a good few with Italian surnames who have Irish blood. Robert De Niro and Marlon Brando are some of the most famous Italian-Americans out there and they're barely Italian at all; John Travolta is half-Irish. Irish and Italians have been emigrating to America since the mid-to-late 1800s and have gradually started cross pollinating more and more. This isn't reflected within the mafia. Though if a mobster has an Irish mother or is 1/4 Irish on their mother's side, it's probably not in their best interests, perhaps not even relevant, to admit it.

It's actually an interesting question OP. If Tommy Del Giorno can be made when he's half Polish, and if Junior Gotti and Frank Salemme can rise to boss despite having other heritage, then why should a "Tommy Russo" who has a black mother be excluded just because he's half-caste?


I always forget DeNiro is only a quarter Italian.

Which brings up an interesting question: If a powerful associate like Joe Watts was actually 25% Italian, and had an Italian last name and looked Italian, would he have been made with the Gambinos?


"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Originally Posted by Stubbs
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
I'm amazed there aren't more LCN mobsters of Irish descent. You're telling me out of thousands of guys, there isn't one who had some Irish heritage? I mean there's Henry Hill who had a non-Italian surname that worked against him, but there's got to be a good few with Italian surnames who have Irish blood. Robert De Niro and Marlon Brando are some of the most famous Italian-Americans out there and they're barely Italian at all; John Travolta is half-Irish. Irish and Italians have been emigrating to America since the mid-to-late 1800s and have gradually started cross pollinating more and more. This isn't reflected within the mafia. Though if a mobster has an Irish mother or is 1/4 Irish on their mother's side, it's probably not in their best interests, perhaps not even relevant, to admit it.

It's actually an interesting question OP. If Tommy Del Giorno can be made when he's half Polish, and if Junior Gotti and Frank Salemme can rise to boss despite having other heritage, then why should a "Tommy Russo" who has a black mother be excluded just because he's half-caste?


I always forget DeNiro is only a quarter Italian.

Which brings up an interesting question: If a powerful associate like Joe Watts was actually 25% Italian, and had an Italian last name and looked Italian, would he have been made with the Gambinos?


No,because the Gambinos would control if his parent was italian,like saint laurent in the patriarcas,he was full blooded italian but take the surname of his mother second husband.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: Lenox] #991285
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Originally Posted by Lenox
Bent finger Lou is a total pussy. Acted like a tough guy and is afraid to do a year in jail. What a total fag! And a rat.


He is not far.... i wont say where but lets just say there’s a chance he is down the shore Ventnor / Margate border give or take .

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Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991292
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I believe Hector Pagan who is Puerto Rican was a made guy in the Bonnanos... married to Renee Graziano who was on Mob Wives, Cooperated a couple years ago.

Re: Can Blacks (who are half Italian) be made [Re: TheSitDown] #991295
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I say they probably could be made if they didn't look too black and no one knew they were part black. I know that's pretty unlikely, but I don't think the mob, at any time period, was tracing "all your relatives back to the old country".

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Hector Pagan was not made, he was only an associate. He is also a loser.

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