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accurate info on size of GTA 'ndrangheta #990767
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have read on numerous sites and articles about size of each 'ndrine.
some say that each 'ndrine must contain at least 49 members?don't know if that includes all italian members associated w/ each 'ndrine at all levels.
to read it one way would be that a guy like vincenzo "jimmy" demaria has 48 members working under him(seems like an overreach).
the figliomeni/project sindicato 2019 bust took down a cell of 9-12 guys.would that mean the feds/rcmp missed out on 40 +- members.
so is it total members worldwide connected to each family/'ndrine? 1 article put the # of 'ndrangheta members in GTA as 9 times 49=450 odd in GTA alone.in the context of a city the size of toronto not many but related to the amount of arrests in past 10yrs doesn't seem credible.
i am in no way an expert on the 'ndrangheta but want to know more.there r lots of way more knowledgeable people on here any help would do.

Re: accurate info on size of GTA 'ndrangheta [Re: VitoCahill] #990770
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The 49 members rule only applies to Calabria, in northern italy there are locali (which are made up of 1 or several 'ndrine) with less members.


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that clears that up so the numbers in toronto are inflated according to some reports.
is there still any accuracy to 'ndrangheta cells operating in ottawa,thunder bay and london ontario.
alot of this info is from old articles and books i think.

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Associates are not part of the organization.
There are the picciotto d'onore or the soldiers of the 'ndrina.
The Camorrista , affiliated with a function similar to the capodecina of Cosa Nostra.
Sgarrista or Camorrista di Sgarro , the one who collects bribes and takes care of accounting, similar to the director of Cosa Nostra.

Then you have the Major Society with several ranks like saints or evangelists.


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Re: accurate info on size of GTA 'ndrangheta [Re: VitoCahill] #990773
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This is a question I have asked myself before. After a lot of info gathering, the best answer I have is this: there are around 100 members of the ndrangheta that are initiated in Toronto, with hundreds of associates, maybe over 1000 overall. (Italian +non Italian) Not all initiated members are involved in serious crimes. Some members were initiated when they were younger solely because they were related to other members, ect, and now they may go to the various cafes, play cards, gossip, offer advice, but not be heavily involved. They may have family members that are involved though, and act in an advisory and connection role. Hope this helps.

Re: accurate info on size of GTA 'ndrangheta [Re: VitoCahill] #990775
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so that would be holding to the more accurate number of say 5-7 'ndrines in the GTA/hamilton area of ontario.
commisso,aquino-coluccio,figliomeni,ursino,musitano's in hamilton=5.
??? about vincenzo "jimmy" demaria,dominic ruso (who all intell states in based in brampton)which i think to be bogus no info on a dominic ruso anywhere in ontario and for that part of TO.
any mazzaferro 'ndrine in toronto.
only other 'ndrine connection would be the crupi or muia families.

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not sure why i included the musitanos.

Re: accurate info on size of GTA 'ndrangheta [Re: VitoCahill] #990779
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Vincenzo DeMaria(leader)

Carlo DeMaria(son)
Frank DiNardo-associate of Carlo.

Giuseppe DeMaria(brother)

Nicolas Cortese
Salvatore Calautti

-all info i could find for family/associates of DeMaria.
doesn't strike me as a 'NDRANGHETA BOSS of GTA.
is there info that DeMaria works under the name of another 'ndrine?

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Aquino-Coluccio 'ndrine
Toronto
Leader
Carmelo Bruzzese

sons-Carlo,Filippo,Giuseppe(only Carlo is facing time in italy).
brother-in-law=Antonio Coluccio-brother of giuseppe and salvatore.

associates in toronto.
Giuseppe Andriano(owner of grotteria social club)-arson:Nov.26,2015.
-brother is Emilio based in italy.

?-giuseppe bruzzese known to live in thunder bay,on.

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There are supposed to be 9 ndrines

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A proportion that then had to be reduced, compared to the nine Locali present in the entire Ontario. This latter number to consider certain thanks to a fundamental secret recording of a phrase contained in the Italian Project Crimine (2010), “In Toronto [to be understood as Ontario] there are nine of us…”, recorded in 2009 during a visit of Rocco Etreni, high rank of the Locale of Thunder Bay, to Giuseppe "The Master" Commisso (right), supreme boss of Siderno, inside his laundry mat that served as cover for him.

And, moreover, two Locali, probably the only ones within the Crimine of Toronto, which do not depend on the mother-Locale of the town of Siderno (the term mother-Locale, adopted by both Italian and Canadian judicial authorities, indicates the Locale that, from Calabria, directs all its dependent Locali scattered throughout the world), but on the near mother-Locali of the towns of:

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The rule is that 7 ndranghetisti can made a ndrina and 7 ndrine can create a camera di controllo (Chamber of Control) but this happened decade ago.
If a ndrine was created in 1950s every sons of the members become automatically members to the blood ties plus plus if the members have daughters them must marry a sons of ndrangheta members or a man that deserve to be made and their sons will increase the ndrina numbers.
Out this people that form the Minor Society there are those form The Santa and the Mayor Society. So is difficult to say the exact numbers of ndrangheta men and who is the real boss because in Canada the ndrangheta exist from the 1930s and with no rats there are no infos on the structure.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
The rule is that 7 ndranghetisti can made a ndrina and 7 ndrine can create a camera di controllo (Chamber of Control) but this happened decade ago.
If a ndrine was created in 1950s every sons of the members become automatically members to the blood ties plus plus if the members have daughters them must marry a sons of ndrangheta members or a man that deserve to be made and their sons will increase the ndrina numbers.
Out this people that form the Minor Society there are those form The Santa and the Mayor Society. So is difficult to say the exact numbers of ndrangheta men and who is the real boss because in Canada the ndrangheta exist from the 1930s and with no rats there are no infos on the structure.


i knew that 7 ndrine form a locale (also called settandrina) and that the chamber of control serves to settle disputes

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
The rule is that 7 ndranghetisti can made a ndrina and 7 ndrine can create a camera di controllo (Chamber of Control) but this happened decade ago.
If a ndrine was created in 1950s every sons of the members become automatically members to the blood ties plus plus if the members have daughters them must marry a sons of ndrangheta members or a man that deserve to be made and their sons will increase the ndrina numbers.
Out this people that form the Minor Society there are those form The Santa and the Mayor Society. So is difficult to say the exact numbers of ndrangheta men and who is the real boss because in Canada the ndrangheta exist from the 1930s and with no rats there are no infos on the structure.


i knew that 7 ndrine form a locale (also called settandrina) and that the chamber of control serves to settle disputes


Yes my bad,anyway when a Locale is formed the various ndrine can easly grown and unite themself by marriage. That is the power of the ndrangheta,it is flebile and can change and adapt to the bussinesses occasion.
Look at the differences between the ndrangheta in Canada and Australia.

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I pretty sure that there were Commisso in Hamilton, as early as the 1920-1930’s, via Detroit maybe??if true that Verducci was operating in Hamilton, as Siderno, then this could of the thread that lead to that.

From what I’ve been told it’s a missing link in the Rocco Perri disappearance.

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the thunder bay 'ndrine if there is/was one has always seemed odd.
thunder bay is a city of 110 000 and is alleged to have 2 operating 'ndrine cells.
has been described as a sort of hideout for on the lam members but no evidence of 'ndrangheta led crime.
could be a location used for laundering money but no major OPP/RCMP busts including any of the names mentioned in operation crimine 2010.

-rocco and cosimo etreni
-giuseppe bruzzese(relation to carmelo?)
-antonio,rocco and vito minnella(all bros.)
-cosimo cirillo

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^ according to Antonio Nicaso, some ndrine are “specialized” in a specific activity and focus almost exclusively on that: money laundering, providing support to fugitives, etc...

this makes it believable to have ndrine in rural or “off the radar” areas

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They are also more a rural mafia even the smallest commune in Calabria can harbor Notorious clans.


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What about Francesco Arcadi thought I read that he had connections to Hamilton? Maybe had someone whacked? Was it Pugliese, his connection??

Seems to have good traction in Woodbridge.

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if anything arcadi has stayed loyal to the rizzuto/sollecito faction along with francesco del balso.
both served time and there is no evidence either were behind any side in the overthrow attempt on nick sr/vito.
where some guy comes from in italy was never a major part of the 10 year long war in MTL.
such a scenario was completely overblown by the press worldwide.
war was over territory led mostly by a french canadian who aligned himself w/ an array of different criminals from all nationalities including for a time the sicilian leader of the bonanno crime family who he then subsequently murdered. whew!!!
as far as who arcadi had connections w/ in woodbridge amongst the 'ndrangheta that would be good to know.not all 'ndrangheta cells were behind the desjardins group and further more have never really heard what 'ndrines were supporting the rebel group.
commisso's?jimmy demaria?aquino-coluccio?

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
where some guy comes from in italy was never a major part of the 10 year long war in MTL.
such a scenario was completely overblown by the press worldwide.
war was over territory led mostly by a french canadian who aligned himself w/ an array of different criminals from all nationalities including for a time the sicilian leader of the bonanno crime family who he then subsequently murdered. whew!!!


I think the legend of the Southern Italian flown in to depose of Rizzuto, was allegoric. Something like Rome coming under attack, mostly related to where the Rizzuto are from in Sicily. Charlemange or something? 2 types of French, Bonaparte vs Charlemange or in real terms Boucher vs Desjardin or something very close.

What about the fire chief with the Scoppas? Sounds like both of those brothers got played pretty hard into the end. I recall hearing that Andrea was cool with Sollecito/Rizzuto/Woolley/Boucher in 2014, but by 2019 both brothers are dead, both in very public displays.

Also the triggers on the Sal Scoppa hit maybe crossed over from the other side of the Atlantic.

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They can traced this all the way back to the Sforza vs Collins Family, I think it’s the Richardson Family of East Coast vs Rizzuto, they would be the ones to use the 🚓 to abduct Paolo Renda, Desjardins could confirm all, if he already hasn’t. Or ask Cazzetta about being the Rock Machine, during that war or if it’s over.

It’s like the upper class Irish women, who tried to murder Mussolini.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/irish-woman-who-shot-mussolini.amp

Kinda like when Christopher is explaining hell, to Tony Soprano and Paulie Walnuts, it’s St. Patrick’s Day everyday.

The Bacchus is an East Coast Club, that is in Hamilton, it seems as if the Hamilton Bacchus attempt some power play with OLMC and some HA, to remove the HA Nomads, don’t know why tho? They might have collaborated with Martin Robert, David Leferbve. The shooting of Nomads in Ontario in 2016, who survived, may have been this confederacy, in collaboration with whoever was killing everyone in Hamilton.

Legal Weed, Gambling, and Sex, prostitution/ porn (online) and offline (all kinds) via Hollywood North?? Whatever that is? As well as drugs, seems to be the issues, strippers included. Lots of money generated for sex on and off line.

Lastly, Bacchus are the ones who torched Pat Musitano’s car, or at least gave the order.

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Found out about a prizefighter name Josh Hill, he is from Stoney Creek.
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/josh-hill

He is/was claiming that half his family is Musitano the other half Papalia. I looked into the Papalia side, seems to be BS. So I guess he and his family are Musitano?

Whatever was suppose to happen in Hamilton after Rizzuto died failed, seems like whatever tie this guy has might of been who whacked Verducci.

This Hill and father are both firemen as well, maybe part of the group with Desjardin, that were with the Scoppas till they got finished off. It’s been suggested to me that Giorgio Baressi, was either setup or murdered because of this cell? If it is even true!!

There is a HA out in Stoney Creek as well, his kid was a boxer who didn’t use his last named, used his mother instead Riley. I think they call the dad Geo, anyways, might provide a link to add to the list of Calabrese in the Provincia.


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Additionally the two brothers that I mentioned previous, I believe their last name was Figliomeni, dead brother was Luciano, the alive one is Giordano, their father maybe made.


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Dear Friends,
here is the link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TiQsmtGmEgqzlwjjsCYU13ThbrmXB4bK

to my last, unpublished paper, title: “‘Ndrangheta in Great Toronto Area: the latest developments of its governing body”.
It's the continuation of my previous one, published here:

https://gangstersinc.ning.com/profi...onto-area-canada-hit-but-still-too-power

I hope of your interest.

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According to Italian authorities in 2010 there were about 40 members total in the Toronto region.


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According to Italian authorities in 2010 there were about 40 members total in the Toronto region.


The Canadian board of control can have influence over the “entire ’Ndrangheta,” Italian authorities said last year.

“The governing body of the Siderno branch no longer operates only in Calabria, transmitting orders abroad, but also does so directly on Canadian soil, to give it a more effective and efficient command structure,” Italian authorities said in court documents.


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Originally Posted by Sonny_Black
According to Italian authorities in 2010 there were about 40 members total in the Toronto region.


Active members they mean. There is way more then 40 made men in Toronto lots are inactive

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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
Found out about a prizefighter name Josh Hill, he is from Stoney Creek.
https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/josh-hill

He is/was claiming that half his family is Musitano the other half Papalia. I looked into the Papalia side, seems to be BS. So I guess he and his family are Musitano?

Whatever was suppose to happen in Hamilton after Rizzuto died failed, seems like whatever tie this guy has might of been who whacked Verducci.

This Hill and father are both firemen as well, maybe part of the group with Desjardin, that were with the Scoppas till they got finished off. It’s been suggested to me that Giorgio Baressi, was either setup or murdered because of this cell? If it is even true!!

There is a HA out in Stoney Creek as well, his kid was a boxer who didn’t use his last named, used his mother instead Riley. I think they call the dad Geo, anyways, might provide a link to add to the list of Calabrese in the Provincia.


Josh hill is not italian. When did he say this? Do you have a link?

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