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Made men killed by other organizations #989829
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Was there some made guys that were killed by other group outside the mafia ?

Irish probably killed many made men

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i think danny green killed somebody of the cleveland family

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also the war between cosa nostra and stidda in sicily left hundreds dead, but the stidda was founded by ex cosa nostra members so it's not an outside group really

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During the Cleveland mob war,the greene men killed the mobsters John Conte,Calogero (Leo Lips) Moceri while Joey (Joe Bugs) Bonarrigo was killer by the Hells Angels.
During tre 1940s Mickey Cohen fought against LA mob and for sure killed someone;
Vincent Papa was killed in prison by the AB;Manny Gambino was killed by a gang that was kidnapping mobsters for random.
Whitey Bulger also killed many mobsters in the 1970s-1980s thanks to the fed protection.

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During the Melbourne gang war Lewis Moran an irish gangster killed Alphonse Gangitano the head of the italian mafia gruop called the Carlton Crew.

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McBratney and the Irish on Manhattan's west side kidnapped and killed Emmanuel Gambino. Wasn't sure if he was officially made but with that last name it was rare not to be.

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i don't think manny gambino was made, vincent papa the same and anyway the lucchese's probably ordered the hit
maybe bulger killed some boston made men but i'm not sure...
the camorra killed somebody in the war with the morello-terranova's in the early 1900s

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Whitey Bulger never killed any made man and his gangs didnt either.

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seems lke all the stuff up in montreal was farmed out or just a mass killing orderd from the black street gangs to take over the old bonannos drug trade up there. only made guy killed in boston in the 80tys was orderd or atributed to ray jr and bill grasso did the killing some huge weed guy cuntera or something

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Originally Posted by pmac
seems lke all the stuff up in montreal was farmed out or just a mass killing orderd from the black street gangs to take over the old bonannos drug trade up there. only made guy killed in boston in the 80tys was orderd or atributed to ray jr and bill grasso did the killing some huge weed guy cuntera or something


No. The war in Montreal started because Vito Rizzuto was send in prison and the various faction started to fight each others plus the ndrangheta that tried to put a flag in Ontario and Sal Montagna that tried to conquest Montreal for the Bonannos.
In this situation the haitians had a small role and his leaders was killed years ago. Now after Desjardan was arrested the top dogs are the Hells Angels.

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Speaking of Canada, Papalia was shot by Ken Murdock, who was a junkie, order by Musitano.

Murdock, obviously not made, seems like Musitano is up in the air, if they are made or not.

Barillaro as well, being made.

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Originally Posted by pmac
seems lke all the stuff up in montreal was farmed out or just a mass killing orderd from the black street gangs to take over the old bonannos drug trade up there. only made guy killed in boston in the 80tys was orderd or atributed to ray jr and bill grasso did the killing some huge weed guy cuntera or something



Well yes and no. The mafia war in Montreal was between italians. Italians put hit on other italians, and some haitians or french-canadians took the contracts. So many made men or associates were killed by haitians or french-canadians, put it was because they had a hit on there heads.

The Ducarme case was another thing. Ducarme was doing buisness with Tony Magi. And because the Rizzuto look weak, they decide to make a move on them.

There is also Gregory Woolley aka Picasso. He was one of the key in the success of the return of Vito Rizzuto as the Godfather. Woolley made alot of hits for the Rizzutos.

But the Rizzuto war, was not a war between the Rizzuto and the haitians.

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During the eng of the 80s and the 90s, no made men were killed in NYC or Chicago from outside groups?

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In the 90s it was the crack era. Do y’all think crime groups like jamaican posses, dominicans, african-american crews were scared of made men ?

In an interview, Mike Tyson said, everybody still respected made men

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
In the 90s it was the crack era. Do y’all think crime groups like jamaican posses, dominicans, african-american crews were scared of made men ?

In an interview, Mike Tyson said, everybody still respected made men


I don't think they really poached on each other's territory. Even though you had a few young wannabe wiseguys in a farm team who did consume crack, made men in general didn't give a shit about that drug. The black and hispanic gangs could make as much as they wanted from that trade. The Mob had other money makers.

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
The Ducarme case was another thing. Ducarme was doing buisness with Tony Magi. And because the Rizzuto look weak, they decide to make a move on them.


Is that confirmed now, it was speculation about Magi and Ducarme, actually killing Nicolo Jr.

Both of them were assassinated, heard that was the reason why, never seen it confirmed officially.


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Side note Carmen Barillaro, did murder a full patch 1% of the OLMC, over a heroin debt, I believe.

**It’s was a conspiracy, not actual murder. Sry!!**

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Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
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The Ducarme case was another thing. Ducarme was doing buisness with Tony Magi. And because the Rizzuto look weak, they decide to make a move on them.


Is that confirmed now, it was speculation about Magi and Ducarme, actually killing Nicolo Jr.

Both of them were assassinated, heard that was the reason why, never seen it confirmed officially.


i bet behind nick rizzuto jr. murder there is a rival mafia faction (sal montagna), ducarme and magi were probably involved but they didn't order it

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Originally Posted by m2w
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The Ducarme case was another thing. Ducarme was doing buisness with Tony Magi. And because the Rizzuto look weak, they decide to make a move on them.


Is that confirmed now, it was speculation about Magi and Ducarme, actually killing Nicolo Jr.

Both of them were assassinated, heard that was the reason why, never seen it confirmed officially.


i bet behind nick rizzuto jr. murder there is a rival mafia faction (sal montagna), ducarme and magi were probably involved but they didn't order it


Yeah thats is whar I think also. Magi owed the Rizzuto money. So he probably allied himself with Montagna and Desjardins.

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Here are few cases of made guys being shot or killed by non made guys I can think of :

- Francesco Oliveiri, a mob associate beat to death an unnamed Gambino made guy in Joseph Gambino's crew. He was then killed by a Gambino hit squad led by Sammy Gravano with Robert Bisacchia and Lorenzo Mannino as the shooters.

- Frank Stilitiano, an Italian gangster who ran with the Philly Irish Mob, shot at Gambino made guy Joey Russo. He then was killed by The Narducci brothers (i think ?) as a favour from the Scarfo family to the Gambino.

- French canadian gangster Reynald Desjardins killed Sal Montagna of the Bonnano.

- The Westies kidnapped Frank Manzo of the Lucchese but he was freed after the Lucchese paid a ransom.


I also remember a story about Anthony St Laurent, a capo from the Patriarca Family who asked a couple of associates to kill Bobby DeLuca, a made guy with the Patriarca Family. The associates ultimately backed down because they were too scared to kill a made guy even though it was supposed to be sanctioned by a capo.

Made guys really only have to worry about their peers.

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Originally Posted by Malavita
Here are few cases of made guys being shot or killed by non made guys I can think of :

- Francesco Oliveiri, a mob associate beat to death an unnamed Gambino made guy in Joseph Gambino's crew. He was then killed by a Gambino hit squad led by Sammy Gravano with Robert Bisacchia and Lorenzo Mannino as the shooters.

- Frank Stilitiano, an Italian gangster who ran with the Philly Irish Mob, shot at Gambino made guy Joey Russo. He then was killed by The Narducci brothers (i think ?) as a favour from the Scarfo family to the Gambino.

- French canadian gangster Reynald Desjardins killed Sal Montagna of the Bonnano.

- The Westies kidnapped Frank Manzo of the Lucchese but he was freed after the Lucchese paid a ransom.


I also remember a story about Anthony St Laurent, a capo from the Patriarca Family who asked a couple of associates to kill Bobby DeLuca, a made guy with the Patriarca Family. The associates ultimately backed down because they were too scared to kill a made guy even though it was supposed to be sanctioned by a capo.

Made guys really only have to worry about their peers.




Here’s some trivia, what’s Anthony St Laurent’s real last name?


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Kinda surprised nobody has mentioned Tommy DeSimone killing Billy Batts.

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Originally Posted by irishkaos
Kinda surprised nobody has mentioned Tommy DeSimone killing Billy Batts.


any relation to andy desimone?

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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
Originally Posted by Malavita
Here are few cases of made guys being shot or killed by non made guys I can think of :

- Francesco Oliveiri, a mob associate beat to death an unnamed Gambino made guy in Joseph Gambino's crew. He was then killed by a Gambino hit squad led by Sammy Gravano with Robert Bisacchia and Lorenzo Mannino as the shooters.

- Frank Stilitiano, an Italian gangster who ran with the Philly Irish Mob, shot at Gambino made guy Joey Russo. He then was killed by The Narducci brothers (i think ?) as a favour from the Scarfo family to the Gambino.

- French canadian gangster Reynald Desjardins killed Sal Montagna of the Bonnano.

- The Westies kidnapped Frank Manzo of the Lucchese but he was freed after the Lucchese paid a ransom.


I also remember a story about Anthony St Laurent, a capo from the Patriarca Family who asked a couple of associates to kill Bobby DeLuca, a made guy with the Patriarca Family. The associates ultimately backed down because they were too scared to kill a made guy even though it was supposed to be sanctioned by a capo.

Made guys really only have to worry about their peers.




Here’s some trivia, what’s Anthony St Laurent’s real last name?



Broccoli. His uncle was stevie.

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Ernest (Ernie the Greek) Kanakis refused to die quietly and instead killed the three local mafia “button men” sent to kill him on July 11, 1976. Kanakis, a gambling specialist who broke off a business relationship with mobster Frank (Frankie Razz) Randazzo, was brought to Randazzo’s basement on the city’s eastside and attacked. Stabbed repeatedly with an ice pick, When the assassins went to shoot Kanakis in the head, the gun jammed and a bleeding Ernie the Greek took out a revolver of his own from a holster on his leg and shot Frankie Razz, Joe Siragusa and Nicolo (Nick the Executioner) Ditta, a renowned mid-Twentieth Century Motor City version of Godfather character Luca Brasi. Acquitted of the triple murder on a claim of self-defense at trial, Kanakis survived another attempt by the mob to kill him in 1983.
That time came in December of 1982, when crime family lieutenant, Frank “Frankie the Bomb” Bommarito, a highly-feared local underworld enforcer and trusted member of Vito Giacalone’s crew, summoned widely-known motor city hitman, Charles Acker, to a meeting at a Detroit-area Denny’s Restaurant. After some initial small talk in a secluded back booth of the restaurant, Bommarito offered Acker $5,000 cash if he would kill Ernie the Greek Kanakis. In a gruesome added twist, he said he would throw in an added $2,000 bonus if after he completed the job, took photographs of the corpse and crime scene, and sent them in a Christmas card to the Giacalone brothers.
Acker agreed to the deal and several more meetings ensued between himself and Bommarito to discuss logistics in the hit contract. Eventually, over dozens of cups of coffee, spread over a three month period, the two pair decided how, where, and when they would attempt to kill Kanakis for the second time. This time the mob seemed confidant they wouldn’t miss.

Everything appeared to be going perfectly as planned. The specifics had been worked out and the wheels of the second contract were in heavy motion. However, soon a major glitch was discovered in their homicidal agenda – Acker was working for the federal government.

Since the very first time he had met with Bommarito at Denny’s to discuss murdering Ernie Kanakis, Acker had been wired for sound, secretly recording every conversation he engaged in with Frankie The Bomb and turning them over to the FBI.

“Charlie Acker came to us and told us that Frankie the Bomb wanted him to hit Ernie Kanakis and all we could think of at the office was how sadistic it was to wait in the shadows for almost 10 years and then come after him like that. It was like an animal stalking its prey, waiting just for the exact right time to pounce and devour it.”

Arrested in January of 1983, Frank Bommarito was convicted and jailed on the charge of conspiracy to commit attempted murder and served close to three years in prison for the offense. On the other hand, Kanakis was in a state of shock, stunned and emotionally shaken by the entire incident, but at the same time refusing to buckle under the pressure being put on him by the local mafia.
Always a man who craved action and fed up with his time lurking in the shadows, around 1987, over a decade removed from streets, Ernie the Greek hooked up with some members of the city’s Arab mafia and went back into running a series of hugely profitable gambling rackets. Partnered with Tahrir “Crazy Tommy” Kalasho, a top lieutenant to his uncle Lou “The Hammerhead” Akrawi, the reputed founder and boss of the local Chaldean (non-Muslim Iraqis) crime syndicate, Kanakis built his gambling business back up to practically the point it had been prior to his falling out with the mob.

The only problem was that all the money Kanakis and Kalasho started making and the clientele they were generating began showing up on the mafia’s radar. They hadn’t forgotten about their old nemesis and they wanted to know why the Chaldeans were doing business with him. Furthermore, they wanted Kalasho to serve him up to them so they could finally have him killed like they had been trying to do for 11 years.

In another stroke of good fortune for Kanakis, the Chaldeans refused to deliver their new and large-earning friend to his butchering. Instead, they went to bat for him and ended up saving his life. Reaching out to one of their contacts in the mafia, Antonio “Tony the Zip” Ciraulo, the Chaldeans requested that Ciraulo, a lieutenant in the Giacalone brothers’ regime, arrange for a sit-down to sort out the two parties’ differences. Ciraulo, eventually convicted on murder charges in the early-1990s and sent to prison for the rest of his life, had the sit-down arranged for the week leading up to Thanksgiving 1987 at his bar in Warren.
Delivering a sizeable chunk of cash to the Giacalones at the meeting and offering them a percentage of their gambling interests, the Chaldeans asked permission to have the contract lifted on Kanakis’ life. Tommy Kalasho said he would personally vouch for Ernie the Greek and take responsibility for all issues related to his work on the street.

The Italians had always respected the Chaldeans for their ironfisted approach to leadership and gutsy takeover of territory almost as soon as they landed in the state of Michigan from Iraq in the early-1970s. This led to the Giacalones finally removing the contract on Kanakis and letting him off the hook. From that point forward, Ernie the Greek was one of the most-rare commodities in the world – someone who unflinchingly challenged the mafia head on and lived.

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Did Nicky Barnes kill a made man? I’ve heard that before but I don’t know how true it is.

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Did Nicky Barnes kill a made man? I’ve heard that before but I don’t know how true it is.


According to Barnes, the Council voted to kill a guy named Mikey Pugliese, who was a soldier with Carmine Galante.

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Not killed but Calabrians have been kidnapped by Colombians, to be sure they got paid for the coke shipments.


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What organization could go to war with the italian mafia?

In the 70s ?
In the 80s ?
In the 90s ?
Now ?

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
What organization could go to war with the italian mafia?

In the 70s ?
In the 80s ?
In the 90s ?
Now ?


Any other orgs that shared similar interests with the LCN for each decade to the present. It just a matter of who/where/what/when/why scenarios.


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