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Re: When Brooklyn took over [Re: Revis_Knicks] #983329
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did michael even have a made guy under him or was he just protected by his dad huge crew of long island guys. kinda fell like he never propoed guys and carmine gave him a title as capo and just had him report direct to the bosses or carmine himself when hes not in jail. ive never heard mike prepose someone. i will give him credit geting made at like 24 25 yrs old and actualy going out and earning cause his dad sonny was always locked up so he didnt exactly ride the ccoat 100 percent

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I still dont believe his bullshit about bringing carmine 2 million a week in the 1980tys. Thats crazy he says 100k a week which according to my math is 5.5 million a year that seems believable. 2 mill the persicos wouldnt even know were to put that much paper money. Thata like 100mill in 1 yrs get the fuck outta here. The whole 100 colombo family soldiers would have been killing each other over that much dough no way


Agreed I think that was a exaggerated number Franzese threw out there to sell his story, do I think he made millions yeah but not that much. Like you said if he brought that much they woulda been a war between alll the families not just the Colombo’s. Is perisco relatives even loaded like that? I know John gambinos family is loaded to the point his grand kids, grand kids, grand kids are set. They can wipe their ass with $100 bills and not hurt their pockets


How much money do you think John Gambino made compared to what Franzese said that he made? Just as much? As for the 2 mill a week to Persico, I would guess that he means on a great week. It probably varied from 6 figures to 7 maybe but I think there is no doubt that Franzese was probably making millions a week himself along with his partner Larry Iorizzo. Franzese along with a few others were making that overseas Italian OC level of money. Maybe not like the top Italian guys who were close to billionaires but he sure lasted longer than most of them.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
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I still dont believe his bullshit about bringing carmine 2 million a week in the 1980tys. Thats crazy he says 100k a week which according to my math is 5.5 million a year that seems believable. 2 mill the persicos wouldnt even know were to put that much paper money. Thata like 100mill in 1 yrs get the fuck outta here. The whole 100 colombo family soldiers would have been killing each other over that much dough no way


Agreed I think that was a exaggerated number Franzese threw out there to sell his story, do I think he made millions yeah but not that much. Like you said if he brought that much they woulda been a war between alll the families not just the Colombo’s. Is perisco relatives even loaded like that? I know John gambinos family is loaded to the point his grand kids, grand kids, grand kids are set. They can wipe their ass with $100 bills and not hurt their pockets


How much money do you think John Gambino made compared to what Franzese said that he made? Just as much? As for the 2 mill a week to Persico, I would guess that he means on a great week. It probably varied from 6 figures to 7 maybe but I think there is no doubt that Franzese was probably making millions a week himself along with his partner Larry Iorizzo. Franzese along with a few others were making that overseas Italian OC level of money. Maybe not like the top Italian guys who were close to billionaires but he sure lasted longer than most of them.


That family got to be in the 8-9 figures the gambinos/inzerillos, today. I’m sure franzese is a millionaire but he don’t got their money

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Re: When Brooklyn took over [Re: JohnnySalami] #983460
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Originally Posted by JohnnySalami
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I still dont believe his bullshit about bringing carmine 2 million a week in the 1980tys. Thats crazy he says 100k a week which according to my math is 5.5 million a year that seems believable. 2 mill the persicos wouldnt even know were to put that much paper money. Thata like 100mill in 1 yrs get the fuck outta here. The whole 100 colombo family soldiers would have been killing each other over that much dough no way


Agreed I think that was a exaggerated number Franzese threw out there to sell his story, do I think he made millions yeah but not that much. Like you said if he brought that much they woulda been a war between alll the families not just the Colombo’s. Is perisco relatives even loaded like that? I know John gambinos family is loaded to the point his grand kids, grand kids, grand kids are set. They can wipe their ass with $100 bills and not hurt their pockets


How much money do you think John Gambino made compared to what Franzese said that he made? Just as much? As for the 2 mill a week to Persico, I would guess that he means on a great week. It probably varied from 6 figures to 7 maybe but I think there is no doubt that Franzese was probably making millions a week himself along with his partner Larry Iorizzo. Franzese along with a few others were making that overseas Italian OC level of money. Maybe not like the top Italian guys who were close to billionaires but he sure lasted longer than most of them.


That family got to be in the 8-9 figures the gambinos/inzerillos, today. I’m sure franzese is a millionaire but he don’t got their money


John Gambino’s family is also in bed with high level politicians and businessmen aren’t they? And I’m sure their net worth just keeps growing. Maybe they’ll be a billionaire dynasty-like family. Would be very Godfather-esque. If Franzese was able to continue what he was doing and eventually legitimize his businesses then he might have that type of money/power that John Gambino’s family has now.

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politicians being in bed with OC died in the 60s 70s. There’s too much money coming from corporate America for them to fool around with criminals. They’ll grease a union official before someone who sits on the senates seat

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Originally Posted by JohnnySalami
politicians being in bed with OC died in the 60s 70s. There’s too much money coming from corporate America for them to fool around with criminals. They’ll grease a union official before someone who sits on the senates seat


That’s how I look at it too. The American mob has really lost its way since then. It seems like the Gambinos(John and his family) are the only family that has really become a potential generational wealth family. Carlo’s, Paul’s and Gigante’s families as well actually. Tommy Gambino might have more money than everyone who was in that life.

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Many crews were dominant in Harlem and the Bronx historically like the Genovese. I am not sure if a Brooklyn gangster ever took the top spot within the genovese family.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
Many crews were dominant in Harlem and the Bronx historically like the Genovese. I am not sure if a Brooklyn gangster ever took the top spot within the genovese family.


Frank Tieri was from Brooklyn although it is debatable wether he was the actual boss or just acting boss.

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In south Brooklyn the first major modern boss was Frankie Yale. His funeral was the biggest mafia funeral in NY ever. He was one of a new breed of gangster who believed in putting business ahead of ego, but for some reason Yale is somewhat overlooked in crime histories.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
In south Brooklyn the first major modern boss was Frankie Yale. His funeral was the biggest mafia funeral in NY ever. He was one of a new breed of gangster who believed in putting business ahead of ego, but for some reason Yale is somewhat overlooked in crime histories.


I think because he was never really apart of the commission. He died right before what some could consider the golden age of the American mob. Also, I don’t think he belonged to a particular mafia family. Did he teach Luciano and others about putting business first?

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Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
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In south Brooklyn the first major modern boss was Frankie Yale. His funeral was the biggest mafia funeral in NY ever. He was one of a new breed of gangster who believed in putting business ahead of ego, but for some reason Yale is somewhat overlooked in crime histories.


I think because he was never really apart of the commission. He died right before what some could consider the golden age of the American mob. Also, I don’t think he belonged to a particular mafia family. Did he teach Luciano and others about putting business first?


I'm sure he dealt with the Camorra gangs and the Sicilians part of his territory was taken over by Profaci.


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Historically have Manhattan bosses, captains been more business oriented while Brooklyn bosses been more "blue collar"? I know these are sweeping generalizations and I don't believe one area is more "sophisticated" than the other. There's just more money in Manhattan, that's obvious, and I'm wondering if that made a difference in how the mobsters came up.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Historically have Manhattan bosses, captains been more business oriented while Brooklyn bosses been more "blue collar"? I know these are sweeping generalizations and I don't believe one area is more "sophisticated" than the other. There's just more money in Manhattan, that's obvious, and I'm wondering if that made a difference in how the mobsters came up.


That’s a good question. Lucchese was known as the white collar don. I can’t think of any big white collars schemes he had right now though. But nonetheless the power base for the family was in Manhattan. Same with the Genovese who were more white collar. Castellano was white collar and he was taken out by the Brooklyn powers that be in the gambino family who were more blue collar oriented.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
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In south Brooklyn the first major modern boss was Frankie Yale. His funeral was the biggest mafia funeral in NY ever. He was one of a new breed of gangster who believed in putting business ahead of ego, but for some reason Yale is somewhat overlooked in crime histories.


I think because he was never really apart of the commission. He died right before what some could consider the golden age of the American mob. Also, I don’t think he belonged to a particular mafia family. Did he teach Luciano and others about putting business first?


I'm sure he dealt with the Camorra gangs and the Sicilians part of his territory was taken over by Profaci.


Where do you think he would’ve fallen had he lived? Would he have been a boss in his own family or would his crew have been absorbed by one of the 5 families?

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Another Brooklyn mobster was Alphonse Malangone of the Genovese family. Very powerful and rich member who was friends with Gotti among others. He had a large piece of the garbage hauling rackets.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
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In south Brooklyn the first major modern boss was Frankie Yale. His funeral was the biggest mafia funeral in NY ever. He was one of a new breed of gangster who believed in putting business ahead of ego, but for some reason Yale is somewhat overlooked in crime histories.


I think because he was never really apart of the commission. He died right before what some could consider the golden age of the American mob. Also, I don’t think he belonged to a particular mafia family. Did he teach Luciano and others about putting business first?


I'm sure he dealt with the Camorra gangs and the Sicilians part of his territory was taken over by Profaci.


Where do you think he would’ve fallen had he lived? Would he have been a boss in his own family or would his crew have been absorbed by one of the 5 families?


Difficult to say because in the beginning many guys switched sides like Luciano from Masseria to Maranzano and later also turning on the latter. Yale became close to Maranzano though so maybe Bonannos.


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allie shades must have had a powerfull crew he comes from under that guy mickey genoroso who was acting undeboss when chin put barney as the street boss and was said to be underbpss during the 2000"s up to his death a few years ago. but allie shades was the genoese garbage king he shared that with jimmy brown from the gambinos. ive read the famous nightclub in brooklyn pastels was allie shades and it seems just about every family hung out there even gotti.

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PMAC i think allies guy was pete defeo

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was that the guy petey pumps? i read about some guy petey pumps he was always with funzi tieri in brooklyn in the 70tys . greg scarpa was heavily informing on him

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Originally Posted by pmac
allie shades must have had a powerfull crew he comes from under that guy mickey genoroso who was acting undeboss when chin put barney as the street boss and was said to be underbpss during the 2000"s up to his death a few years ago. but allie shades was the genoese garbage king he shared that with jimmy brown from the gambinos. ive read the famous nightclub in brooklyn pastels was allie shades and it seems just about every family hung out there even gotti.


I bet Allie shades and Gotti didn’t hang out too often after he took out Castellano and Chin wanted to kill Gotti. I have been reading about Allie Shades though and you are right. Very powerful crew that made a ton of money with Romano and Rosario Gangi I think. I think Angelo Ponte was a member of the crew too and he had a carting business that was huge.

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