Just looked at a few short videos of VLADTV featuring the new interview with Micheal Franzese.

Two things of note;

Is it true that Carmine Persico asked Micheal Franzese in jail to be Acting Boss during the commission trial and keep the seat warm until Little Allie Boy Persico got out??? Think Mike told Persico he couldn't be acting boss because he was taking a plea around that time. Carmine then told Mike; instead he'll name Vic Orena as Acting boss then....

Apparently Micheal Franzese and Vic Orena didn't like eachother. Orena appearently wanted a piece of the gas scam with John Gotti; and was undermining Mike. He was not trusted in the family.

I haven't seen that part of the interview but I feel that's something Franzese would have mentioned earlier. However, I do recall in a video years ago him saying they were grooming him to be the boss. I suppose he would be a logical choice.

There was something with the Colombo boys and Sonny’s boys and nephews and others against the Persico’s rise just like it was for the Persico’s toward the Colombo’s boys and Sonny’s .

The all had a good chance of rising and Colombo got hit and the Colombo’ boys were pushed around by Persico’s and when Sonny was away Persico’s did same if not for Michael F stated doing wellthey would not of been anything other then Sonny’s notoriety .

But the three families were very much at odds and has all to do with Orena not liking that part of the crime family.

i caught the part where michael mentions allie boy jr is his first sons actual godfather. makes me think thats why mciahels never mentiond him in books or any interview ive ever seen or read. maybe micahel was able to pay allie jr for that contract off his life carmine put on him in 88 or whenever.... ive never seen mike mention carmine persico ever as his boss but now hes dead he been mentioning him alot in recent interviews. it was always his boss old man dibella which was true from 75to80 but carmine made him a capo and got probaly alot of money from 80 to 85 then mike gets taken off the street on rico

but that could be mike tooting his own horn why wouldnt carmine make sonny the acting boss but he might have been locked up so kinda answed my own question. who knows maybe michael had a chance but he knew he was pleading guilty. the colombo family rico indictment took alot of the heavy guys off the street in 85 vic got it by default or carmine really didnt trust the power to who else was out there

some say scarpa really wanted the acting boss and that pissed him off vic got it over him a stone cold killer who was made in the 50tys

@Pmac

I believe your right about Tom DiBella being official boss from 75-80.... So does that mean while Persico was on the streets from 77-79; He was underboss? Mike Franzese in recent interviews talks about Tom DiBella being Boss.

@MightyDr

Yup; I don't have the interview link; but it's definitely in the most recent interview on VLADTV. Persico and Mike were jailed together appearently and Persico asked Mike to be Acting Boss till Allie Boy Jr got out.

Saw another short recent video on VladTV interview with Mike that was interesting. He says he met Gigante a couple of times and that they were close. They did numerous walks and talks together and Franzese says Gigante was smart; lucid and always in control. He also says that Gigante wanted him in the Genovese Family to get away from Persico. Gigante and Persico didn't like eachother... Do anyone know why?? Do they have any history??

gigante saved a few of the gallo gang guys and persico wanted them dead. ive seen somewhere persico and vic orena would knock them down (in the 80tys) when ever were put up for membership in the genovese family. shit sonny fransese was on tape calling kidblast gallo a dog in 06. theres deff bad blood. but gigante kept them alive buy just putting them on record with him. i would say chin and persico were about equal. but chin had a way longer run. carmine was on the street as official boss between 80 -85 like 2 years. chin was official boss from 80 to 97 on the street. no question the genovese family was 2 times bigger and had way more national influence. doesnt mean they wernt just about equals in NYC i think

or yaeh carmine was dibella official underboss the whole 70tys even thou in prison and his brother was dibellas consig. i read it was all aranged with gambino

@Pmac

I thought Persico was out from 77-79. Like 2-3 years. He was jailed in the 80's.

DiBella must have been a old school guy; Well respected by everyone.

yaeh i guess he was underboss those years. he became offical boss in nov 1980 dibella was old and basically holding the chair for him. gambino died in 76 big paul becomes boss of usa biggest family then the whole galante is trying to take over the bonannos i dont think the commission wanted to drop everything and make carmine the boss at he say. but yaeh he was out in the late 70tys think closer say 78. then he goes back to prison for 2,5 yrs like 81 to 84 that when gerry lange is his acting boss cause they bribed a irs agent or something

dibella and persico were close i believe there both from redhook. dibella was a longshore guy and close to carlo gambino who you might say put him in as boss after joe colombo was shot and persico was tight with carlo surposely killed albert a for gambino( debate for another thread) so they basically were installed by carlo. i read when carmine goes back to jail in 82 he asks dibella to step back up in some leadership roll to

@Pmac

I made a thread a few years ago about Persico and Carlo Gambino's relationship; I think they rarely saw eachother unless I'm wrong?? Persico was in and out of jail...

If they were close; You kind of alluded to their relationship being off the Albert Anastasia hit; which Persico was rumored to be involved in. I have no idea who got rid of Albert Anastasia at that barbershop....


By the way; How was Persico as boss operating in 77-79?? Was he respected by the other family leaders?? Corallo; Castellano; Galante/Rastelli and Salerno/Lombardo?

Read something; Galante and Persico were close and wanted two of their children to marry.

i mean he takes credit for it but it has been driven home as gambino family business. surposely joe n gallo and armone brothers and some other shooters they did it. again debate for another thread but according to scarpa telling the fbi everything in the 60tys persico was almost seen daily with gambino they were close. when persico brother gets out in 1970ish gambinos gets him inducted when no one else was being made as a favor to carmine this might have been around rite when colombo is shot

scarpa all was telling how close the persico was to funzi tieri. they had alot of friends in brooklyn its safe to say

guess they did time in the feds together and were also close. carmine told his cousin he voted aginst killing galante. carmine was a young legend thats why i would put him as a equal to chin even thou the genovese family was way more powerfull

@Pmac

That's interesting; Never knew Carlo and Persico were close in the 60's. I learn something new everyday.

Funzi and Persico; I could see them being close since they were from Brooklyn. Persico was a Brooklyn legend; Heard he did alot for the community...

Wasn't Ally Boy Jr and Galante's daughter suppose to get married?

I like your comparison with Chin and Persico; Both were made in the 50's I believe; Both became Captains in the late 60's. Both became bosses in 1980? 1981? Chin was just smarter tho and had a longer run on the streets.

to stair the thread back to mike franzese recent interviews i feel like thats the first time ive ever heard him speak about vic orena and how he didnt like him. funny mike forgets vic orena was still on good terms with carmine persico to about 1990 and with gottis backing started to fell his oats. michael was already a rat and testified in front of a grand jury around 88/89 he conveintly leaves out. he had no say or his father in the colombo war between those guys in 1991 to 93. scarpa took credit it for it all and got allie boy jr a not guilty in 94. saying he started it all cause orena slighted him or some shit

my spelling is bad tonight just rushing retardo

zavatonni gonna call it a night the rain in mass making me tired . good night. im gonna go watch so mandolorian and sleep

If you look at the old family charts made my Valachi he has Persico in Gambino Family which could have been mkstake or could have been due to them having a relationship.

@Pmac

That's the first time I've heard Franzese say he disliked Vic Orena also. Vic wanted in on the gas business with John Gotti but Franzese said he wasn't having it. Orena was undermining Mike also...

@Mchang93

I'll have to take a look. Even though Persico had a short reign as boss on the streets; It seems when he was young; He was really out there and earning...

Absolutely he would have mentioned it before...This guy's becoming less and less credible every interview !!

Most guys are gone or never getting out of the joint so he can embellish more and more . He is making money and it’s getting safer for him as time goes on so he will continue to make himself into more relevant .

somehow the persico still have the power of the colombo family all 70 or 80 members thats my guess as for nummbers. this guy on staten island who just got his whole crew indicted for stalking his girlfriend said it when they were going to carmines wake. oh my point is vic orena and his kids where shelved out the colombo family for trying to takeover and i doubt any persicos are forgiving them thats probaly why michael is feeling safe to say shit about orena sr. there all shelved even thou his doing life. hes still in tons of photos with guys from other families so i think its just a colombo thing

Were any of Orena's kids made?

I want to say that one of his grandchildren is/was an aspiring rapper.

.final thoughts on michael hes a inteligent guy and has some good storys. he was ahead of his times in the gas racket but he couldnt do the time. i will say he didnt ride his dads coattail to becoming a capo he figured out a way to earn and carmine persico made him a capo for being such a crafty guy.