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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981440
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I think the buffalo-luppino-violi families is attacking the rizzuto's and thier associates


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981441
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/alleged-rizzuto-organized-crime-family-associate-sentenced-10-years-imprisonment&ved=2ahUKEwiK1pqk-oDmAhUr1VkKHVaiD6kQFjAMegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw3G94NrY9qVFXrNbUGddXi-&cshid=1574533578582


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981442
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Department of Justice (.gov) › alleg...
Alleged Rizzuto Organized Crime Family Associate Sentenced To 10 Years ...


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981444
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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: thebigfella] #981446
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If you’re right as well as others, than the Violi/Luppino/Buffalo is doing it without NYC, are they that respected and powerful to do it alone or do they require some support

Also outside of Buffalo the Violi/Luppino have been damaged throughout this, including inducting a FBI source

After the major Ndrangheta bust in 2015 that got major players in Ontario, word was out that the Viloi’s were being targeted by cops from out of NYC


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981448
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It was the bonanno's that inducted the FBI source


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: thebigfella] #981450
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That could help as terrible as that sounds, so the peace agreement is a false thing, does that mean that the Bonnanos working with Scoppas as they killed the Rizzutos as well in 2016


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: thebigfella] #981453
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
Rizzuto did business with the bonnano's after he camed home from prizon


Proof? According to Pete Edward's rizzuto cut ties to the bonannos shortly before massino ratted

Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981459
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I posted a working link above that talks about a major drug deal that the bonanno's and rizzuto's were involved in, and it's been mentioned in many articles that factions in New York did not like sal because he got his position through a rat


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: thebigfella] #981460
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
I posted a working link above that talks about a major drug deal that the bonanno's and rizzuto's were involved in, and it's been mentioned in many articles that factions in New York did not like sal because he got his position through a rat



IDK, but he was murdered in 2011 and was recognized as the acting boss of the Bonanno crime family from 2006 until 2010, with Nicky Santora as underboss and Anthony Rabito as consigliere,


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981468
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The Rizzutos cut ties with the Bonanno family when they found out that Joe Massino ordered Gerlando Sciascia killed. Sciascia was related to the Rizzutos from Sicily. Peter Edwards is not wrong in saying that Rizzuto cut ties with the Bonanno, but he is only going the Sicilian line, not the Calabrians. The ties remained with the old Cotroni family.
Salvatore Montagna began betraying members of his own circle. This is what led to his down fall and fracturing those against the Rizzutos. There were Bonanno capos in New York that did not like Sal cause he was picked to be a capo by a rat. Once he became acting boss as Massino no longer had the power to appoint members in the family, many of his detectors held their tongues. Mancuso stole the family from Basciano, which the two factions were rivals. Montagna was Mancuso pick. Best if Mancuso stayed in New York, cause both Sicilians and Calabrians in Montreal would more likely shoot him on sight boss or no boss.
Buffalo comes up a lot. To understand that connection Buffalo Violi, Hamilton Joe Violi to be precise was sending cash and weapons to his Violi cousins who are part of the Cotroni family of Montreal. Nicolo Rizzuto, Paolo Renda, and Agostino Caruana, were mostly likely done by the Violi in Montreal, and has since then remained quiet, so they participated at the start of the war at least. Of the big four Domenico Manna is still alive.
Rizzuto meeting with Bonanno representatives after his release from prison has been documented by an informant, and wire taps on high level members in the Toronto area. Not long after that is when Rizzuto rivals began to fall. So there is some weight that Montagna was backed by the Bonanno crime family and Rizzuto was able to make them stay out of the conflict.
With the Violi locked up, that leaves the Luppinos on the streets and only targets available.


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981473
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The Violis already got their Vendetta.



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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #981474
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Thanks for the clarifications. If the brothers weren’t arrested and convicted, would they have been the targets instead


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981478
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Surprised Mirarchi is still alive?

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Originally Posted by Scalish
Surprised Mirarchi is still alive?


Everybody in the so-called “Mirarchi Clan” now know their life is threatened.


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #981550
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
The Rizzutos cut ties with the Bonanno family when they found out that Joe Massino ordered Gerlando Sciascia killed. Sciascia was related to the Rizzutos from Sicily. Peter Edwards is not wrong in saying that Rizzuto cut ties with the Bonanno, but he is only going the Sicilian line, not the Calabrians. The ties remained with the old Cotroni family.
Salvatore Montagna began betraying members of his own circle. This is what led to his down fall and fracturing those against the Rizzutos. There were Bonanno capos in New York that did not like Sal cause he was picked to be a capo by a rat. Once he became acting boss as Massino no longer had the power to appoint members in the family, many of his detectors held their tongues. Mancuso stole the family from Basciano, which the two factions were rivals. Montagna was Mancuso pick. Best if Mancuso stayed in New York, cause both Sicilians and Calabrians in Montreal would more likely shoot him on sight boss or no boss.
Buffalo comes up a lot. To understand that connection Buffalo Violi, Hamilton Joe Violi to be precise was sending cash and weapons to his Violi cousins who are part of the Cotroni family of Montreal. Nicolo Rizzuto, Paolo Renda, and Agostino Caruana, were mostly likely done by the Violi in Montreal, and has since then remained quiet, so they participated at the start of the war at least. Of the big four Domenico Manna is still alive.
Rizzuto meeting with Bonanno representatives after his release from prison has been documented by an informant, and wire taps on high level members in the Toronto area. Not long after that is when Rizzuto rivals began to fall. So there is some weight that Montagna was backed by the Bonanno crime family and Rizzuto was able to make them stay out of the conflict.
With the Violi locked up, that leaves the Luppinos on the streets and only targets available.


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981571
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So explain the politic's on how mancuso stole the family from vinny


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Hollander] #981573
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Originally Posted by Hollander
The Violis already got their Vendetta.


And you know this how, exactly? Why haven't Paolo Violi's sons been charged with the killing of Paolo Renda, Agostino Cuntrera, and Nick Rizzuto Sr.?

Why didn't the Violi sons or their Luppino uncles get revenge at an earlier time by killing the Bonanno Family boss who turned down Paolo Violi's request to kill Nick Rizzuto Sr. but gave Nick Sr. the approval to kill Paolo Violi? Do you think that American La Cosa Nostra rules and protocols might have had something to do with the inaction on the part of the Luppino men?

What American LCN rule did Nick Rizzuto Sr. violate, exactly, by having Paolo Violi killed? You do know that Violi disregarded the Bonanno boss's ruling and planned to kill Nick Sr. anyway, right? Do you honestly believe Nick Sr. was in Venezuela for long periods of time in the 1970s till, roughly, the mid-1980s solely because of drug trafficking and not because he didn't fear being killed before and after Violi himself was murdered? You do remember that Nick Sr. moved to Toronto in 1987 and was living in the city at various times till 1988, don't you?

So in 2010, the non-made Domencio Violi and non-made Giuseppe Violi plotted the murders of made members Renda, Cuntrera, and Nick Sr.? Did the Violi brothers pull the trigger too? Wouldn't Sal Montagna, an American LCN acting boss of the Bonanno Family, have had to greenlight those murders, given Nick Sr.'s and Renda's status as made Bonannos? (Agostino might have been a made member of the Caruana-Cuntrera family all along unless he transferred to the Bonanno decina in Montreal.) So the Violi brothers got "revenge" by "ordering" an American LCN acting boss do what he was going to do anyway?

Ah, but you might turn around and say that, in 2010, Domenico and Giuseppe Violi were still 'ndrangheta members who were not answerable to made members of other Italian secret societies. Do you have any evidence of their membership in the 'ndrangheta other than the contentious belief about patrilineal descent conferring membership from father to son?

A true Canadian mobwatcher knows that the rules and protocols observed by the Italian secret societies here are not frequently thrown out the window. You're a Siderno Group member who wants to kill a made member of the Buffalo Family, Gambino Family, Bonanno Family, et al? You had better get permission from the boss of those families. (Paolo Violi was very well versed in the politics of the American LCN; hopefully, after his death, his Luppino brothers-in-law instilled some knowledge in Violi's sons.)

But you might turn around again and say that Paolo Violi's sons' eventual revenge one day was preordained; that Domenico Violi especially, as the older son, had the birthright. Well, wouldn't it then be incumbent on Charlie Renda and Liborio Cuntrera, whose fathers were, you claim, supposedly murdered for actions that were sanctioned by the Bonanno Family in New York, to exact revenge on Paolo Violi's sons?

To whom do Domenico Violi and Giuseppe Violi truly pledge their loyalty now that, like their father before them, they are made members of an American LCN family?

If Paolo Violi had killed Nick Sr. without permission from New York, you and others would be arguing 1) Violi had every right to do so, and b) Nick Sr.'s son Vito would be in the wrong for trying to avenge Nick Sr.'s death.

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Those are some serious inquiries, also in 2015 when the Ndrangheta was busted in Ontario, Diego Serrano was arrested. His son Saverio was targeted for death, instead his girlfriend was killed. Within weeks of the failed hit, the same team of murders killed Ang Musitano. How is that related same group that ordered Musitano dead wanted Serrano’s son dead. How are they related, the murders were kids from Hamilton

Also in that bust I believe that Mike Watson’s legendary Parkdale Clubber from Hamilton’s East End son was arrested. Don’t think he even did anytime. Not to mention that the Bacchus patched the Red Devils in Hamilton.


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: MolochioInduced] #981578
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And Hamilton is now a HA city


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There are men in the province who in the last couple years joined the Loners Mc quit, joined the OLMC quit and now brought the Mongrel Mob to Canada. Imagining joining the Violi quitting and joining the Musitano quilting and bring Rizzuto to Canada.


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Bacchus is an East Coast club with a controversial patch. The Bacchus are on what used to be Wolf Carroll’s area. Wolf Carroll, like Mom Boucher, were Ha Nomads 95, that actually fought the Rock Machine. Both Nurget Stadnik and Pup Stockford were also HA Nomads 95, both of them are from Hamilton and were arrested after the provincial patch over. They are out of prison, some of this could be unfinished business from them as well as Violi and Rizzuto, basically what side of Hells and Rock Machine you were on, never ended just maybe changed uniforms/masks


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Maybe the return of Nurget Stadnik, former HA National President and Nomad was no so well received by his hometown Hamilton and others in that city, as well as other places. The Nomad 95 HA was in Montreal, both those cities are involved in this.

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Did they current administration of the families in Hamilton have a relationship with Stadnik or was that Papalia, same in Montreal with Boucher or was that Rizzuto


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Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa [Re: Bobbybacala] #981588
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Rocco Violi.


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What about Boucher in Montreal, he was voted out of HA March 2014, four months after Rizzuto death. Boucher was sentenced recently for murder attempt on Ray Desjardins

Why was Boucher voted out of HA, when he was the President of the Nomads that fought Rock Machine, isn’t the reputation of the HA in Quebec based on what Boucher accomplished, maybe across Canada

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Attentat contre un mafieux à Ottawa: une voiture incendiée à Montréal liée au crime?

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...e-incendiee-a-montreal-liee-au-crime.php

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maybe the rizzuto's killed even musitano at this point, he probably betrayed them in some way

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To play a little Devils advocate....

Who gave the greenlight on Rizzutos son? To my knowledge, it was a construction guy, and a gang leader, and apparently was separate from the intrigues by Montagna, or is this wrong?

I just ask on the other board, when Montagna met with " Hamilton", who did he meet with? The Violis? Or the Luppinos? I asked bacause at this time the Violis were not made yet......

It's never really been explained exactly what the Violis endgame was.....

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Great questions, it’s known that Victor Rizzuto had closed meetings before and after release. Some of the conversations were about appeasing those who switch on Rizzuto for business, which was more acceptable than those who did for Vendetta. The jump spot that was suppose to be built in Hamilton failed, especially after Rizzuto died. With him gone it was easy for people to break the terms of the agreement, without considering that the breaking of the agreement, might of been planned for. This gave Rizzuto chance to Vendetta, the HA 95 Nomads were a topic discussed. Stadnik was returning to Hamilton end of 2014, in March 2014 Boucher was voted out of HA (because people broke terms with a now dead Rizzuto) both of them were/are 95 HA Nomads. The fail to provide Mexico what they were promised, as well as the broken agreement among everyone that would have benefited from such a pipeline for business profit, was set off when Verducci was murdered. It’s a crazy business, but to do something like that, you have to be crazy. IMO


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