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Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier #980643
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Researching the older Southern / Midwest US Mafia Bosses pre Internet days, it seemed like they had a easier go of it being the heads of their families then the East Coast guys

Carlos Marcello had a very long reign as the New Orleans
Santos Trafficante like wise in Tampa,
Nick Civella....KC...John Scalish.Cleveland...Joe Zerlli..Detroit
On and on.....
Those guys put in 30 plus years as mafia bosses.

But the NYC bosses had a higher turnover rate .
It is because the bosses west of NY had smaller families
Thus less issues to deal with or does it go deeper than
That ?

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yeah well small cities = less law enforcement heat and less problems with other families and gangs

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Meyer summed it up perfectly.

Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier [Re: MeyerLansky] #980670
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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
yeah well small cities = less law enforcement heat and less problems with other families and gangs


I think only because in NY there was more players while in the small families a boss especially if born in sicily could take the power and don't be afraid because he can easly replace his enemies with friend or parents.
That was a reason because more of these families are exinct.
The Tampa family ended with the death of Trafficante jr,same thing after Marcello death.
Scalish refused to made new blood and the family was disbanded in the 1980s even if won against Danny Greene and so on.
An exception is detroit that at last is mostly made by the Giacalone-Tocco families.

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When you say less law enforcement heat theirs 2 ways to look at it.
Either bosses like Marcello and Scalish carefully took steps to keep things on the down low or law enforcement
At that time just simply didn't have enough intelligence
And manpower to dedicate the time take on OC.

I think anytime a boss can run a family for 30 plus years
It's apparent everyone is getting their share or he's so respected and feared nobody dared make a move

I think Marcello when you at history should considered as one the better bosses in that conversation

One thing about those smaller families like New Orleans and Cleveland (Scalish years)the violence was kept to a minimum.

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They may have had it easier. But another way to look at it is with keeping things low key/out of the public eye, they didn't continue to reinforce the ranks. 75% of the familes in the south/midwest are all but gone. Detroit, and its debatable. is still active but small in scale because they kept it within blood lines.


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Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
They may have had it easier. But another way to look at it is with keeping things low key/out of the public eye, they didn't continue to reinforce the ranks. 75% of the familes in the south/midwest are all but gone. Detroit, and its debatable. is still active but small in scale because they kept it within blood lines.


Its exactly what I said.

Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier [Re: Galassi70] #980678
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Local government corruption plays a role, too. People like Huey Long in Louisiana, who I believe belonged to Costello.


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Interesting idea for a thread and one that I wish I came up with, you glorious bastard.


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Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier [Re: Galassi70] #980694
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Carlos Marcello basically ruled his own country. From what i understand, he had a zero tolerance policy for other wiseguys coming onto his turf. Even if they just wanted to check out Mardi Gras.they would be told by their bosses 'just don't go'. Then you have a guy like Accardo who sat atop the Mob heap in Chicago (a good sized city). He had enormous power. and made a fortune, yet he never spent so much as a single night in a cell.

Re: Did the Southern and Midwest Bosses have it easier [Re: Galassi70] #980698
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Something else maybe noteworthy regarding the southern families in particular, there were no Irish mobs there to inherit rackets from like there were in the east coast and midwest cities (and even west coast, for that matter). They at least shared or took control from protestant good old boys, which couldn't have been easy. This is why I think it's important to cite the political connections of the southern mobs. Trafficante, Marcello, Civello in Dallas (who I believe was pretty much with Marcello). They must have had solid political connections.


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Yes and no. If you take any small family from 1930 to the 1950s, you can see they had internal strifes until those members in the family are either killed or finally died from natural causes. Narcotics is always a big money maker and that allowed the FBN to get involved and cultivate their own informants. When the FBI got involved that gave every boss more headaches. What allowed the smaller families to operate was corruption, more room to spread out so hardly anyone was stepping on someone else's shoes, and stronger blood ties between members of those families. When talking about eastcoast, you have to not just mentioned New York, but New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Florida (Miami), where there is alot of members belonging to different families operating in those states and do step on other members toes more often. When the FBI got involved and scrutinized the families more, you can see guys backed by New York, Chicago or Buffalo get the top spot, by capos realizing that such and such has backing from three commission members or more, so they just vote for that person and convey to their crew members in subtle veil threats if they plan on voting someone else that it is in their best interest to vote for the guy backed up by a majority of Commission members. The FBI put so much strain and pressure on bosses that those bosses made mistakes and errors in their own judgment that angered members in their families, thus if they were not careful how they handled the situation within their own family there could be a revolt against their leadership. Take Buffalo for one example. Magaddino was so preoccupied with Canada and the Bonanno family that he neglected some of his key areas such as Rochester which split from his family, the feds shined light on what he was doing with the money that was supposed to be for the crime family. Another example is Chicago, the feds hounded Giancana so much that he could not think clear as time went on and he fell for their trap. Over the years, the members of his crime family were growing angry at his antics until finally they removed him peaceful from the boss spot. Los Angeles, Desimone decided to distance himself from low level members of his family and only use his Underboss and Consigliere as messengers to avoid law enforcement, which was a bad move as this created resentment from members of his family and he decline the family to get involved in new rackets, deals, and business partner relationships with other groups that it weakened the LA family just to avoid the law. Marcello is talked alot in this thread, but his leadership had been challenged twice during his reign and he only remained as boss because the commission members ruled that he remain boss of New Orleans and his detractors honoured the Commission ruling in both cases.


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it looked good in the movie casino. but i think theyll all answerd to chicago

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They answered to Chicago in Casino, too, even though the city's not explicitly mentioned by name.

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Something else maybe noteworthy regarding the southern families in particular, there were no Irish mobs there to inherit rackets from like there were in the east coast and midwest cities (and even west coast, for that matter). They at least shared or took control from protestant good old boys, which couldn't have been easy. This is why I think it's important to cite the political connections of the southern mobs. Trafficante, Marcello, Civello in Dallas (who I believe was pretty much with Marcello). They must have had solid political connections.


They're Irish racketeers/ crews in those cities ( most likely the good ole types). Plenty of Black racketeers too.


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I'm not talking about a mere presence, I mean control over organized crime.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I'm not talking about a mere presence, I mean control over organized crime.


That's what I'm speaking on Oak. Think about how much info on southern OC groups/networks outside of LCN. I dug around for years and have come across some. The full details range from scant to semi detailed based on the locations. Memphis had a political machine/syndicate that engaged in OC alongside with major racketeers in which 1 was Irish....who was supplanted by an Non-LCN Italian racketeer ( chances of that LoL) . As early as the 70s & before ATL newspaper release OC related reports in the city and Black syndicates were the leading factor with a modest mention to LCN members/associates.

New Orleans will primary focus on OC is LCN despite the other racketeers who may or not kicked up to Marcello. Likewise with Tampa.


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Good info. Thanks.


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For me the fact that there was a long reign was a damge for the little families because the bosses prefer to don't made new members and after their dead the families was hitted by LE and quickly dead.

Cleveland family:Scalish era (1944–1976) the family come to his peak of 60 made men but Scalish doesn't made new blood but the family was damaged by danny greene war and the Lonardo and Zagaria flipping;
Bufalino family: Rosario Alberto "Russell" Bufalino (1959–1994) same thing but the family was more small,about 40 made men and was disbanded after Billy D'elia flipping;
New Orleans crime family:Carlos Marcello (1947–1993) Marcello keep his political connection for him and take it in the grave
Pittsburgh crime family: after the LaRocca reign (1956-1984) when chucky porter was made in 1986 he was the younger in the family (and porter was 50 y old at the time)
and so on.

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Pittsburgh crime family: after the LaRocca reign (1956-1984) when chucky porter was made in 1986 he was the younger in the family (and porter was 50 y old at the time and so on)

Wasn't there someone in between John LaRocca and Chucky Porter?


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I think Sonny Ciancutti got his button around the same time as Chucky but i don't know if it was before. Also, I think Zebo got his around that time.no?

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Originally Posted by Friend_of_Henry
Pittsburgh crime family: after the LaRocca reign (1956-1984) when chucky porter was made in 1986 he was the younger in the family (and porter was 50 y old at the time and so on)

Wasn't there someone in between John LaRocca and Chucky Porter?


Yes.Porter was made under Michael Genovese but the point is when he was made Porter was considerated young even if he was 50 y old and this because LaRocca don't made new members.

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Originally Posted by Lou_Para
I think Sonny Ciancutti got his button around the same time as Chucky but i don't know if it was before. Also, I think Zebo got his around that time.no?



I believe Henry was made shortly after Lenny ordered the hit on Ernie Biondillo in 1996. However I don't know when Sonny got his button.
Henry went from being in Youngstown a couple of days a month to a few days a week.


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From Pennsylvania crime report 1989

BUFALINO LeN FAMILY MEMBERS

Salvatore Aleccia 74
Angelo Bufalino 59
Russell Bufalino 85
Frank Cannone 67
WilliamD'Elia 42
Anthony De Stefano 78
Charles Fratello 48
Anthony Guarnieri 78
Michael Insalaco 52
William Meringola 63
Anthony J. Mosco 46
James Osticco 76
Augustine Riolo 71
Samuel Rotella 66
Anthony Santacrose, Jr. 57
Albert Scalleat 69
Edward Sciandra 76


Despite the evidence of ongoing activity, the leadership of the Bufalino LCN Family is aging and inpoor health; its membership is in decline. Bufalino has been reluctant to admit new members. If the Bufalino LCN Family is not soon revitalized, there is a probability that the interests of this Family will beassumed by another LCN Family or criminal organization.

The following are members of the LaRocca/
Genovese LCN Family:
• Michael Genovese, 69, 4348 Clendenning Road,
Gibsonia, PA;
• Frank "Sonny" Amato, Jr., 61, 704 Broadway
Street, East McKeesport, PA;
II John Bazzano, Jr., 61, 107 LynnbrookDrive,
McMurray, PA;
• Anthony A. "Wango" Capizzi, 63, 4451 Middle
Road, Allison Park, PA;
• Thomas A. "Sonny" Ciancutti, 59, 1906 Kenneth
Avenue, New Kensington, PA;
• Pasquale Macri "Pat" Ferruccio, 71, owner of
Liberty Vending, 401 High Street, NW, Canton,
OH;
• Charles J. "Chucky" Porter, 55, 3999 Old
William Penn Highway, Penn Hills, PA;
• Louis Raucci, 58, 133 Hulton Road, Verona, PA;
• Antonio "Anthony" Ripepi, 86, 4720 Brownsville
Road, Pittsburgh;
• Joseph Sica, Sr., 80, 1148 Jefferson Heights, Penn
Hills;
• Henry Zottola, 53, 9242 Wedgewood Drive,
Pittsburgh.

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Here in the South, it was a lot easier to own everyone from the police chief up to congressmen and senators. It's always been well known that is was hard to make a good living in the South back in the days so extra money to look away? Hell yes they would and did and it wasn't even all mafia only, the dixie mafia owned people as well and they didn't really have a setup like the mafia did. Marcello pretty much owned everyone in Louisiana and that's how he got away with his ways until the Feds finally got to him.


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