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There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? #977264
08/21/19 06:34 AM
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It's only my opinion or after Vito Rizzuto was jailed in 2004,in canada many balances (many of which date back to the 70s) have been broken and not only the Sicilians but also the Calabrians started to kill each others? Or there are two mob war,one in Montreal and another in Toronto?

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How much of the Toronto/Hamilton conflicts would have been avoided if Vito Rizzuto were alive and well and had never been extradited?

Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: furio_from_naples] #977291
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i think it's the same war between two big groups in montreal that spread to ontario... rizzuto - caruana/cuntrera on one side and bonanno - buffalo on the other

Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: m2w] #977347
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Originally Posted by m2w
i think it's the same war between two big groups in montreal that spread to ontario... rizzuto - caruana/cuntrera on one side and bonanno - buffalo on the other


...and Calabrian ‘ndrine choose which side to support, as independent families, not as a massive “Ndrangheta” coalition as some suggest...

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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
Originally Posted by m2w
i think it's the same war between two big groups in montreal that spread to ontario... rizzuto - caruana/cuntrera on one side and bonanno - buffalo on the other


...and Calabrian ‘ndrine choose which side to support, as independent families, not as a massive “Ndrangheta” coalition as some suggest...




All the cells answer to Calabria.


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Originally Posted by Strax

All the cells answer to Calabria.


it seems they became independent like lcn from sicilian mafia in the united states

Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: furio_from_naples] #977361
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Federico Cafiero De Raho, the Italian national Mafia prosecutor said in December, they have 50 local branches in Canada and the U.S.


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Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: Hollander] #977369
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Federico Cafiero De Raho, the Italian national Mafia prosecutor said in December, they have 50 local branches in Canada and the U.S.


i don't know what he means for 'local branches', but it has 9 crews at most in canada and a couple at most in the states

Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: m2w] #977370
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I know this is true of the Figliomenis, the rest I'm not sure..... I think it's just a few Siderno families...

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Originally Posted by m2w
Originally Posted by Strax

All the cells answer to Calabria.


it seems they became independent like lcn from sicilian mafia in the united states


The Figliomenis, are there others beyond the Siderno clans?

Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: m2w] #977372
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Originally Posted by Strax
All the cells answer to Calabria.

“Calabria” isn’t a monolithic organization, it’s just a region broken down in several turfs, run by independent locals each with its rivalries, alliances, goals, etc...

Some families overseas may receive orders from back home, some we know don’t. For those who do, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all head masters want the same thing.

Originally Posted by m2w
it seems they became independent like lcn from sicilian mafia in the united states


Exactly, perhaps not all of them, but they’re definitely not just mere puppet crews.

Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: furio_from_naples] #977376
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I think that like in the Australia ndrangheta in the 1970s,Robert Trimbole decided indipendently to pass to weed to the heroin trafficling with Terrance John Clark aka Mr Asia and first decided to order to kill anti weed politician Donald Mackay in 1977. What I try to say is that many ndrangheta men feel itself more canadian that calabrian so decided to fight take the power of the old guard.

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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
Originally Posted by Strax
All the cells answer to Calabria.

“Calabria” isn’t a monolithic organization, it’s just a region broken down in several turfs, run by independent locals each with its rivalries, alliances, goals, etc...

Some families overseas may receive orders from back home, some we know don’t. For those who do, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all head masters want the same thing.

Originally Posted by m2w
it seems they became independent like lcn from sicilian mafia in the united states


Exactly, perhaps not all of them, but they’re definitely not just mere puppet crews.



I'm not so sure. The recent arrest of the Figliomeni clan was special and signifigant BECAUSE they were operating independently. And this was because of several arrest inside the Mother Locale for the Siderno clans....

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Also, they apparently hit Carmine Verduci, the capo of the Locale...

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Originally Posted by LuanKuci

“Calabria” isn’t a monolithic organization, it’s just a region broken down in several turfs, run by independent locals each with its rivalries, alliances, goals, etc...

Some families overseas may receive orders from back home, some we know don’t. For those who do, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all head masters want the same thing.


Yes but it has ruling panel, that "rules" over them all.Meetings once a year of most important bosses,they were even caught in camera.Then u also have La Santa.

Very similar to Sicilian mafia, families with their own interests,rivalries,alliances and so on. And both are very well connected to freemasonry and secret services.'Ndrangheta boss Pantalone Mancuso was recorded saying "'Ndrangheta doesn't matter anymore,its all about P3 & P4 now". I don't know how powerful they are when compared to P2.

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Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: furio_from_naples] #977426
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It looks like multiple feuds, some vendettas but mostly just business.


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Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: furio_from_naples] #977432
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In this context, it’s irrelevant whether a Canadian ‘ndrina answers to Italy or not.

Being Calabrian doesn’t automatically make them against the Rizzuto/Sicilians.

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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
In this context, it’s irrelevant whether a Canadian ‘ndrina answers to Italy or not.

Being Calabrian doesn’t automatically make them against the Rizzuto/Sicilians.


Why do you even have idea it would make them against Sicilians ? 'Ndrangheta and Sicilian mafia are working together,very closely back in Italy. Sicily being biggest producer of weed in Europe , supply them with weed in return of cocaine. Then u have members who are both members of Sicilian mafia & 'Ndrangehta.

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Re: There a Canadian Mob War or 2 mob wars? [Re: furio_from_naples] #977443
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Because SOME imply that we’re looking at a big Sicilian vs Calabrian feud, while MANY believe it’s much more complicated than that with alliances going beyond mere regional origins.

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Link to Daniel Renaud's French-language article is below.

La SQ s’allie à son homologue de l’Ontario
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...q-sallie-a-son-homologue-de-lontario.php


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