I was wondering; and want different opinions. Which Administration by 1985 had the most power; influence and wealth by 1985? Would love a 1-5 ranking.

Bonanno's- Philip Rastelli; Joe Massino; Anthony Spero?
Gambino's- Paul Castellano; Neil Dellacroce; Joe Gallo?
Colombo - Carmine Persico and Gerry Langella?
Genovese - Vincent Gigante/Anthony Salerno; Saverio Santora; Louis Manna?

Lucchese- Anthony Corallo; Salvatore Santoro; Chris Furnari

Would love some knowledgable posters and those who have an opinion on who they think had the best administration in 1985.

before they were all indicted in the commission trial all the families were doing good till febuary 1985. i just looked the commission trial up for the dates theres a good i think thoro recap of it on wiki. crazy all the bosses and the best lawyers in the world were probaly looking for a global plea maybe 5 10 yrs the most each, but rudy wasnt having it. but the most powerfull being 1A 1B would be gambinos and genovese and the lucheses maybe more powerfull then colombos because there family has more members and tony ducks was the longest running boss of any nyc family in 1985. persico was in and out of jail from 1972 till 79 then 81 84. the bonannos started righting there ship in 1984 after the donnie brasco trials went down. phil rust is freed 83 84 and runs the family. meeting other bosses for there spot back on the commission. hes rounded up with the other bosses in febuary 85 but made bail all the way to 1987

Genovese family at the 1. By then chin was in full flow. Carlo had long passed as had all the troubles and unrest they had previously (eboli etc). Chin was ruthless and insulated (‘we don’t break our captains, we just kill em).

2. Lucchese with ducks.

3. Gambino 3rd. Don’t see how they could be 2 when when the boss was completely out of touch with the family and about to be whacked. Some may disagree and put them 2nd but I wouldn’t. You could argue them 2nd due to size but I would disagree in regards to power as the family was in disarray clearly but the boss didn’t quite understand it

4. Colombo’s.

5 Bonanno.

the westside with the chin and fat tony

I agree; The Genovese at that time in 1985 had to have had the most powerful administration of all the families.

These guys had Angelo Bruno whacked. No one seems to know who ordered it though; I know Antonio Caponigro was the main culprit but Frank Tieri/Fat Tony/Phil Lombardo and The Chin were all culpable in some way.

After the Genovese's

2. Lucchese's
3. Gambino's
4. Bonanno's
5. Colombo's

I think 4 and 5 can be interchangable

Has any other family ordered a hit on a Genovese member? For instance chin orders to have Gotti killed and gets Deccico instead (would've probably been better for all the families of Gotti was killed). History shows their guys get killed from within. Didn't Castellano kill a Gambino guy per chins request? They've always seem to have been pretty solid. Shit, the real boss avoided the whole commission trial. Chins the true Fox.

A movie needs to be made about the Chin. What he did is so unique and so ballsy. The guy could have been anything but he was a mob boss. He clearly didn’t give a fuck about what anyone else thought of him. Look at gotti, he was praying around so everyone knew he was a mob boss and mean whole chin is walking around the village in a fuckin bathroom talking to himself. Not to mention the fact that chin set up nearly all of his extended family with cake jobs making big money. The guy was really a criminal genius and a ruthless motherfucker too. I feel like he got off on beating the system.

There was a bullshit law n order episode based on chin. It started with the actor in his shower with a umbrella it was dumb. Chin also okd the murder of wild bill grosso in ct. He was a force he starts making guys in Springfield. Actually the guy who agot him in the van on the way to a sitdown with genovese guys in mass. The guy driving driving the van an his brother forgot the names. 1 was a genovese made guy the other a associate. No way a patriarca guy is shooting another made guy in front of another families guys. Chin set that up with jr russo

Genovese No.1 of course.

streetbossliborio makes a good point about the Gambinos, with Castellano out of touch and the family divided. I'd still put them at No.2 though due to amount of influence and power those admin members wielded, even if there was no unity.

Luccheses a strong No.3

Colombos No.4. I'd say they would definitely be higher than Bonannos. Commission seat, a lot of influence in the construction industry, Gas tax scam.

Bonannos. No.5. Didn't have a Commission seat, Donnie Brasco fall out, just getting over disarray within the family.

Going by administration and not the family itself.
1. Genovese their reach and power is what makes them number one.
2. Lucchese still had a lot of pull on the commission and still had strong connections with some of the other families across the country. I believe Santoro still had contacts in Mexico and Italy, but once he was underboss he stepped away from narcotics after Tony Ducks allegedly had a talk with him about it. Someone might be able to chime in on that.
3. Gambino streetbossliborio summed it up pretty good.
4. Colombo, they still had a seat on the commission was making money in Florida, Nevada, and California, and once the Gallo crew switched over to the Genovese crime family and a couple members were killed who was stiring up trouble with the Gallo crew, the family finally had a peaceful run until the 3rd Colombo crime family war, which in part can be contributed to the commission trial as that family alone took the most damage than any other family at the trial.
5. Bonanno, they did not have a seat on the commission, was still getting over the violence from Galante and the renegade faction, plus Donnie Brasco, however in terms of wealth I would put the family above Colombo since many members were involved with drugs.

That is my list for administrations.