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Re: Amuso removes Madonna and Crea [Re: Neo] #973289
06/17/19 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Neo
Vito was the family boss in every way except in title. Costello at that point was unofficially the No.2 guy in the family.


I always wonder how the Mob would have been different if Genovese hadn't been so ambitious. Maybe if he did not become boss, he does not get sent away, so no issue between him and Joe Valachi in prison. Valachi does his time uneventfully , and the Mob keeps its' secrets for how many more years? We'll never know, but fun to speculate.

Re: Amuso removes Madonna and Crea [Re: Fleming_Ave] #973303
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Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Originally Posted by Neo
Vito was the family boss in every way except in title. Costello at that point was unofficially the No.2 guy in the family.


I always wonder how the Mob would have been different if Genovese hadn't been so ambitious. Maybe if he did not become boss, he does not get sent away, so no issue between him and Joe Valachi in prison. Valachi does his time uneventfully , and the Mob keeps its' secrets for how many more years? We'll never know, but fun to speculate.


http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/search/label/Informants?m=0

Apart Valachi there was many informants in the 1950s 1960s like Frank Bompensiero from L.A. or Anthony (Fat Tony) Zito from Detroit. For sure until Donnie Brasco the mafia would be misterious and Hoover would nOt be forced to admit the mafia existence.

Re: Amuso removes Madonna and Crea [Re: Neo] #973523
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But if I'm not mistaken, Vito was ahead of Frank on the pecking order before he went on the run but did lucky make Frank the official boss? And Frank had alot of soldiers that liked him because he gave them freedom to earn...Frank could have made alot of noise if he wanted to; he retired because he was smart, not scared, there's a big difference


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Re: Amuso removes Madonna and Crea [Re: Neo] #973532
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That is the big problem why lcn started to fail. Some guys pushed hard to be white collar. Starting out as criminals but realizing business is better without scrutiny from authorities. Then you have the real "gangsters" that turn their nose to those guys and look at what happens.

Re: Amuso removes Madonna and Crea [Re: thebigfella] #973555
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Originally Posted by thebigfella
But if I'm not mistaken, Vito was ahead of Frank on the pecking order before he went on the run but did lucky make Frank the official boss? And Frank had alot of soldiers that liked him because he gave them freedom to earn...Frank could have made alot of noise if he wanted to; he retired because he was smart, not scared, there's a big difference


I don't believe Frank ever became official boss; He was acting boss for many years with total control over the family with Lucky's blessing. Genovese was acting boss at one point but only for like a year before Frank. This is because he had pending charges and was forced to leave America. I may be wrong. This was in the mid 30's. Lucky got sentenced to a 50 years sentence around that time also I believe. Costello was promoted to Acting Boss due to Lucky's and Genovese's sticky situation. You can very well say; However. Frank was Offical Boss in all but name; He virtually controlled every aspect of the family and Lucky pretty much couldn't say much about it. Costello still listened to him though due to their friendship.

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Re: Amuso removes Madonna and Crea [Re: Zavattoni] #973589
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
Originally Posted by thebigfella
But if I'm not mistaken, Vito was ahead of Frank on the pecking order before he went on the run but did lucky make Frank the official boss? And Frank had alot of soldiers that liked him because he gave them freedom to earn...Frank could have made alot of noise if he wanted to; he retired because he was smart, not scared, there's a big difference


I don't believe Frank ever became official boss; He was acting boss for many years with total control over the family with Lucky's blessing. Genovese was acting boss at one point but only for like a year before Frank. This is because he had pending charges and was forced to leave America. I may be wrong. This was in the mid 30's. Lucky got sentenced to a 50 years sentence around that time also I believe. Costello was promoted to Acting Boss due to Lucky's and Genovese's sticky situation. You can very well say; However. Frank was Offical Boss in all but name; He virtually controlled every aspect of the family and Lucky pretty much couldn't say much about it. Costello still listened to him though due to their friendship.


According to Valachi in "The Real Thing", Willie Morretti was briefly acting boss, then Costello was elected acting boss and in the early 50s Luciano sent word that he had resigned and Costello became official boss. Don't think he mentions this in the Valachi Papers though.
http://mafiahistory.us/a023/therealthing2.html

What I did gather from the Valachi Papers though is that Genovese was trying to have Costello killed and expected a war in retaliation.

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