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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: CabriniGreen] #972820
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Originally Posted by CabriniGreen
Piromallis are very rich...

I was about to disagree about the Barbaros, but then you see Ciments post about the meth bust in Australia and well..... They might have the most profit potential.. the Aussies also produce thier own weed, and a few years ago there was the record extacy bust, kilos of coke are like 100 grand.... Shit, they could be.....


Dimaria was very rich, I have no idea what clan hes boss of.

The Commisos gotta be filthy, Aquinos, Romeos...

The Polverinos had a billion dollar hash business...



I have heard of Dimaria but I do not know much about him. I hear a lot about the Piromallis. Maybe because they have a lot of influence over the port. Perhaps the most. The San Luca families buy their cocaine from the Colombians on credit which should give everyone an idea of how big they are in the drug trade. If the top Ndrangheta members remain at the top for a while then they could reach and maybe even surpass Denaro as richest and most powerful in italy(maybe the world) as well as going legitimate if that’s even possible for them.

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972837
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Anything on Leandro Greco or Calogero LoPiccolo?

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972838
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The Condello-Imerti and De Stefano-Tegano are also among the top families in Calabria.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Hollander] #972839
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It's not the Orlando's in control? Still the Polverinos?

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: CabriniGreen] #972846
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Originally Posted by CabriniGreen
It's not the Orlando's in control? Still the Polverinos?


Yes they took control the last years but it's one powerful clan Orlando-Polverino-Nuvoletta. BTW when Vallefuoco was arrested with Pepe Polverino in 2012 he offered a million euros to the Spanish and Italian agents.

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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972872
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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
I think the Corleonesi under Riina could’ve been richer.


Yeah for example Vito Roberto Palazzolo of Terrasini was the treasurer-recycler of the bosses Riina and Provenzano.
Palazzolo was the protagonist of the international drug trade in the early 1980s, between Sicily, the Far East and the United States, better known as the "Pizza connection".


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Hollander] #972873
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Any idea who the most powerful crime boss is in France?

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: frenchy] #972881
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Originally Posted by frenchy
Any idea who the most powerful crime boss is in France?


i suppose some corsican, maybe the boss of the brise de mer

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972883
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Corsican mafia for sure, but who exactly i have no idea.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972906
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Serbian Sreten Jocic aka Joca Amsterdam is up there here in Europe.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972921
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The ndrangheta’s most powerful families appear to be present mostly in the southern area of the region. Why not the north?

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972922
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Putin is the most powerful Russian mob boss

Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Hollander] #972935
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Serbian Sreten Jocic aka Joca Amsterdam is up there here in Europe.


Filip Korac is more powerful than Joca Amsterdam.


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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
The ndrangheta’s most powerful families appear to be present mostly in the southern area of the region. Why not the north?


Because south is their stronghold obviously , they have complete control of their southern region , thats the reason why they always stay there when they go on the run , because they are feeling safe and protected in south , having almost complete control of all aspects of life.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Strax] #972938
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Originally Posted by Strax
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Serbian Sreten Jocic aka Joca Amsterdam is up there here in Europe.


Filip Korac is more powerful than Joca Amsterdam.


Not over here. But I agree he could be in the future didn't he settle in Holland some time ago? It's just that the name Joca still means something here he still has unfinished business and connections in Amsterdam. It is his hometown and that of his sons.

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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Hollander] #972943
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Originally Posted by Hollander
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Serbian Sreten Jocic aka Joca Amsterdam is up there here in Europe.


Filip Korac is more powerful than Joca Amsterdam.


Not over here. But I agree he could be in the future didn't he settle in Holland some time ago? It's just that the name Joca still means something here he still has unfinished business and connections in Amsterdam. It is his hometown and that of his sons.


Yes he did, Filip Korac is in Holland , he is biggest drug trafficker in Balkans. He and his crew also did murders for Willem Holleeder.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Strax] #972944
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Originally Posted by Strax
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Serbian Sreten Jocic aka Joca Amsterdam is up there here in Europe.


Filip Korac is more powerful than Joca Amsterdam.


Not over here. But I agree he could be in the future didn't he settle in Holland some time ago? It's just that the name Joca still means something here he still has unfinished business and connections in Amsterdam. It is his hometown and that of his sons.


Yes he did, Filip Korac is in Holland , he is biggest drug trafficker in Balkans. He and his crew also did murders for Willem Holleeder.


Thanks, Holleeder once said he find it difficult to separate all those Yugoslavs. With Paja and Luka B., Holleeder was once fined on the Rozengracht for wild peeing lol..

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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972953
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How hurt will a lot of these drug trafficking mafia families around the world be when marijuana becomes legal? Of course it will make a dent in their profits but what can they do to offset this?

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
How hurt will a lot of these drug trafficking mafia families around the world be when marijuana becomes legal? Of course it will make a dent in their profits but what can they do to offset this?


The cartels were making like 35%-40% of their income from marijuana but over the last decade that number has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk. That’s why they started going so hard core with the heroin and fentanyl....they had to find a way to make up their lost marijuana profits. And while cocaine use in the US has either dropped or stagnated depending on which data you read, it’s on the rise big time in Europe. They are making up some lost profit that way as well.

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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #972987
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I think the Mexican cartels would be hit the hardest. What organization is the strongest in Spain? Do they have an organized crime syndicate or do they have transplants who set up operations there?

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
I think the Mexican cartels would be hit the hardest. What organization is the strongest in Spain? Do they have an organized crime syndicate or do they have transplants who set up operations there?


the galician mobsters are the strongest in spain and the most organized

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I think the Mexican cartels would be hit the hardest. What organization is the strongest in Spain? Do they have an organized crime syndicate or do they have transplants who set up operations there?


the galician mobsters are the strongest in spain and the most organized


Yes. The Spanish authorities use a secret list with 100 names of Galician suspects who play an important role in cocaine smuggling today. They operate also in Africa and have distribution chains in Spain, the Netherlands, Italy and Albania.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #973013
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Are the Somali pirates organized at all or are they more like bandits who steal and do nothing else? I am sure there are more powerful crime groups on the continent of Africa.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Are the Somali pirates organized at all or are they more like bandits who steal and do nothing else? I am sure there are more powerful crime groups on the continent of Africa.


The Nigerians are the strongest, but you also have nomadic tribes in the Sahara who are involved in drug and human trafficking.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: FrankValenti] #973090
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In the US the power remaining is in New York, but in terms of most powerful, it's gotta be Barney Bellomo now. Head of the Genovese. My guess is Joey Merlino is up there among the other NY bosses as well.


Merlino isn't a New York boss. He heads a small crime family from Philly. There are bikey gang bosses more powerful than him.

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Originally Posted by Hollander

Thanks, Holleeder once said he find it difficult to separate all those Yugoslavs. With Paja and Luka B., Holleeder was once fined on the Rozengracht for wild peeing lol..


Holleeder is very close to Luka Bojovic. He needed their help when he went to war vs Joca Amesterdam ,main guys for him in Amsterdam were Miloš Bato Petrović and Maruf Paja Mrzić. I don't know what side were other powerful figures from Amsterdam like Magdi Barsoum and Stanley Hillis.


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Originally Posted by Strax
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Thanks, Holleeder once said he find it difficult to separate all those Yugoslavs. With Paja and Luka B., Holleeder was once fined on the Rozengracht for wild peeing lol..


Holleeder is very close to Luka Bojovic. He needed their help when he went to war vs Joca Amesterdam ,main guys for him in Amsterdam were Miloš Bato Petrović and Maruf Paja Mrzić. I don't know what side were other powerful figures from Amsterdam like Magdi Barsoum and Stanley Hillis.


Bato and Paja are around 60 years old school guys, both are living in freedom. Both were suspected of involvement in two failed attempts (in 1996 and 2000) to murder crime boss Cor van Hout, brother in law of Holleeder. Van Hout, said to be close to Joca, was eventually killed in 2003. Bato himself was shot in 1998 when he came out of the Amsterdam Okura hotel.


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Re: Most powerful crime bosses by country [Re: Revis_Knicks] #973098
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Magdi Barsoum and his brother, both killed, also belonged to the group around Joca.


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I was reading about members of the Russian mafia being engineers, doctors, lawyers and so on. I know that this is the case for the Italians but did the Russians have the intuition to recruit them first? In a documentary I saw I believe it said some 80% of businesses at one time all paid tribute to the Russian mob and they own multiple big banks in Russia.

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@ Strax, don't forget Dragan Ilic. Very wealthy gangster living in Argentina he has a good relationship with the leaders of the cocaine cartels. His connection with Joca began in the Netherlands and continued throughout the following years.


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