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Vladtv interview with Michael Franzese #968988
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Part 1: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7DQpR6IXkw8

Part 2: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8A_zK8SrJMI


In the first part, he said that there are 9 major families in the US. Whi are the 9 families?
5 families in new york, chicago mob, philly mob and?

Re: Vladtv interview with Michael Franzese [Re: Blackmobs] #968989
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Probably New England and DeCavalcante. Although I would say there are closer to 11 (Detroit and Buffalo), with smaller remnant families scattered around. This guy has been out of the loop for so long he probably doesnt know u cazz.

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I his day, the 80s, you had the 5 families, Jersey, Phily, Chicago and KC which were just about all that was left. That makes 9.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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So your saying that in the 80's, nevermind today, that Detroit and Buffalo were not viable families? Ok.... Even St.Louis, cleveland and Milwaukee was still active in the 80's.

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There were probably closer to 20 viable families around in the 80's.

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Viable in the 80s? St. Louis? Buffalo? Maybe Detroit. The mobs in the rust belt states, their bread and butter was the unions and by the 80s the factories were shuttering by the dozens. KC was still involved in Vegas.


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Originally Posted by Moscone65
Probably New England and DeCavalcante. Although I would say there are closer to 11 (Detroit and Buffalo), with smaller remnant families scattered around. This guy has been out of the loop for so long he probably doesnt know u cazz.

i'm agree, buffalo is clearly viable proofed even by violi's wiretaps

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It could be what his and others in the life's perception of what the " major " families are......either during that time period or in general.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I his day, the 80s, you had the 5 families, Jersey, Phily, Chicago and KC which were just about all that was left. That makes 9.


Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Viable in the 80s? St. Louis? Buffalo? Maybe Detroit. The mobs in the rust belt states, their bread and butter was the unions and by the 80s the factories were shuttering by the dozens. KC was still involved in Vegas.


You left out New England, so that at least makes 10. And back in the 80s, I'd say Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and even the Bufalino family were all still viable to a degree.

I think the 9 he's talking about are today - 5 Families, Philly, New England, DeCavalcante and Chicago.

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I'm deferring to Franzes's point of view. In other words, the families relevant to him. Franzese was a New York guy and he was also into high end rackets, so you have to work backward from the families that he would consider relevant when he was active. I don't see him needing New England for much.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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It ain't easy being Franzese.


In my thoughts, I use the technique of positive visualization.
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I'm deferring to Franzes's point of view. In other words, the families relevant to him. Franzese was a New York guy and he was also into high end rackets, so you have to work backward from the families that he would consider relevant when he was active. I don't see him needing New England for much.


When did NY ever really need New England for anything? Nothing stands out. I doubt he considers them one of the 9.


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Chicago hasn’t “needed” New York since the days of Johnny Torrio going there, doesn’t mean they aren’t a major family.

Re: Vladtv interview with Michael Franzese [Re: Blackmobs] #969103
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Buffalo and Detroit were very much viable in the 80s and at least well up in the 90s. LA, Cleveland, Tampa and NE were also still considered viable.


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I'm sure Franzese was referring to families still in high end operations. He said 9 relevant families for some reason. Based on what he was into, I can't think of a better criteria to determine what he meant.

I don't think Cleveland and LA had any high end rackets going by the 80s.


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that a really good interview im up to part 5 were he telling vlad about the gas scam racket. i finally understand it. he made it simple they sold gas to the stations. the stations gave them the tax money 25 cents a gallon and the mob guys never paid the tax money to the feds. kinda like filing your own taxes when you work under the table. interview really news he mentions yaeh my boss in 1980 made me a capo he died a few weeks ago. persico

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but now i wonder how hes gonna dance around the oh i quit the mob or i testfied infront of a grand jury in chicago the boxing guy or record excutive. he wont ask about that, and he'll say i fell in love blah blah blah. i will guy looks good for 68yrs old. think he runs into donnie shacks in LA?? he lives there somewhere. that guy vlad tv has a studio in los angles when he interviews anyone from there. the drums in the background. not that michael doesnt come around. h e always doing college speaking. he was at holy cross a few yrs back


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