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Carmine Tramunti as Acting Boss #968099
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It is stated that Tramunti took over as Acting Boss after the death of Tommy Lucchese. Did the commission install him or was there actually a vote within the Lucchese Family by the captains? After Corallo got released; He took total control of the family.

My question is; Was Tramunti the most powerful captain and where was his crew based at?


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Think he was acting boss for 1yr then he was okd by the other bosses becomes official boss few yrs later he gets jammd up on herion case goes to jail dies

Re: Carmine Tramunti as Acting Boss [Re: Zavattoni] #968277
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1967 is really interesting for that family. Informants in the Lucchese, Colombo, Bonanno, and Tampa give different accounts. Mr. Gibbs was acting boss from 1966 till a week after Lucchese death, then he stepped down. From the counts the leadership of the family was up in the air, as Vincent Rao the Familys official Consigliere and the actual top successor to Lucchese was having problems in court and was sentenced to five years in prison in 65 or 66 was not a great pick at the time. Stefano LaSalle was the current underboss at this time but did not want the boss position, and does not get the credit he deserves of keeping the peace of Mr. Gibbs and Tony Ducks. Tony Ducks went to Florida and talked Eddie Coco into becoming the acting boss, and becoming an ally to Tony ducks. Tramunti was able to get Paul Vario to become acting Consigliere and thus getting him to become an ally. Mr. Gibbs and Tony Ducks were the two top contenders by the end of the summer of 1967. Sometime between then and November of 1967, the Capos came together to finally cast a vote. Corallo became official boss. By December of 1967, Tony Ducks was indicted. He made Mr. Gibbs acting boss according to Bonanno and Colombo informants in the Spring of 1968. When Corallo was released from prison in 1970, he used Mr. Gibbs as a front boss.

He was the capo of the old 107th street crew that was a powerful crew in Manhattan.


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GV his nickname was Gribbs not Gibbs

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Re: Carmine Tramunti as Acting Boss [Re: Giacomo_Vacari] #968293
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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
1967 is really interesting for that family. Informants in the Lucchese, Colombo, Bonanno, and Tampa give different accounts. Mr. Gibbs was acting boss from 1966 till a week after Lucchese death, then he stepped down. From the counts the leadership of the family was up in the air, as Vincent Rao the Familys official Consigliere and the actual top successor to Lucchese was having problems in court and was sentenced to five years in prison in 65 or 66 was not a great pick at the time. Stefano LaSalle was the current underboss at this time but did not want the boss position, and does not get the credit he deserves of keeping the peace of Mr. Gibbs and Tony Ducks. Tony Ducks went to Florida and talked Eddie Coco into becoming the acting boss, and becoming an ally to Tony ducks. Tramunti was able to get Paul Vario to become acting Consigliere and thus getting him to become an ally. Mr. Gibbs and Tony Ducks were the two top contenders by the end of the summer of 1967. Sometime between then and November of 1967, the Capos came together to finally cast a vote. Corallo became official boss. By December of 1967, Tony Ducks was indicted. He made Mr. Gibbs acting boss according to Bonanno and Colombo informants in the Spring of 1968. When Corallo was released from prison in 1970, he used Mr. Gibbs as a front boss.

He was the capo of the old 107th street crew that was a powerful crew in Manhattan.


That is not true at all, where did you hear or read a bunch of crap like that?

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@Giacomo; I'm not contesting what you stated; But I never seen anything about Corallo using Tramunti as a front. Also from what you said; Before Tom Lucchese passed; He used Tramunti as Acting Boss also?


I always thought Tramunti was installed either by the commission or a vote by the Lucchese captains once Tom Lucchese died.

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How did this family once known for doing just about everything efficiently end up with Amuso as boss and the chaos that ensued?

I've heard some people say that Ducks actually wanted someone else but it somehow ended up being Amuso. Any truth to this?


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
How did this family once known for doing just about everything efficiently end up with Amuso as boss and the chaos that ensued?

I've heard some people say that Ducks actually wanted someone else but it somehow ended up being Amuso. Any truth to this?


From my understanding Corallo was considering making Anthony ‘Buddy’ Luongo as boss. He was from the Bronx faction where the power of the family had always been. Their and East Harlem anyways. Once Amuso and Casso found out they clipped him. Corallo then offered it to Casso and Casso suggested to Corallo to make Amuso boss. That is Cassos version of what happened.

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Originally Posted by Michael_Giovanni
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
How did this family once known for doing just about everything efficiently end up with Amuso as boss and the chaos that ensued?

I've heard some people say that Ducks actually wanted someone else but it somehow ended up being Amuso. Any truth to this?


From my understanding Corallo was considering making Anthony ‘Buddy’ Luongo as boss. He was from the Bronx faction where the power of the family had always been. Their and East Harlem anyways. Once Amuso and Casso found out they clipped him. Corallo then offered it to Casso and Casso suggested to Corallo to make Amuso boss. That is Cassos version of what happened.


Yup! They clipped Buddy Luongo; but I think Corallo was behind the hit. Amuso and Casso wouldn't go behind Tony Ducks back and murder his possible replacement. Even though Corallo was on trial; No-one knew not too mess around with him because he was still powerful.


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Ducks seemed to be one of the smart old timers with connections to the original commission. Why would he go along with any plan that made someone like Casso more powerful? That was really the turning point for this family.


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Re: Carmine Tramunti as Acting Boss [Re: OakAsFan] #968308
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Ducks seemed to be one of the smart old timers with connections to the original commission. Why would he go along with any plan that made someone like Casso more powerful? That was really the turning point for this family.


I think the commission trial was taking a toll on ducks; and at that point; He really didn't care who was the Boss of the family. You had Christy Tick Furnari advising him about making Casso or Amuso boss and he kind of reigned in and agreed. Salvatore Santoro at that point really didn't have a say because I think he was on the outs with Ducks. I think Neil Migliore should have been a choice or another old timer. There were other respected guys in that family that were never considered.

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Ducks seemed to be one of the smart old timers with connections to the original commission. Why would he go along with any plan that made someone like Casso more powerful? That was really the turning point for this family.


Do not know much about Luke’s but I know Casso was close with heavy guys and Carmine Persico dont know if Casso had any other bosses as friends but those two were .


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Casso comes off as not so intelligent and he even had a hard time pronouncing words almost to point of grade school education so he must of had one hell of a mind for rackets.


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As I have stated before there are different sources of informants. If more than one says the same thing or something similar to what another informant says, then there is cooperation with the information. If one informant gives information only they talked about, then it is hard to concluded it in the overall narrative. I will give you two examples of an informant giving only information they revealed without another informant backing it up. 1) An FBI informant who was a made member in the Bonanno crime family in Miami said that Anthony Corallo told him that Joseph Rosato was the boss, Anthony Corallo was the number two man, and Carmine Tramunti was shifted back to his former position in the Lucchese crime family. The informant was then told in January 1968 that a meeting of Lucchese members would meet at Paul Varios house to elect a new boss to replace Joseph Rosato. 2) An FBN informant who was an associate of Christopher Furnari of the Lucchese crime family in Brooklyn who was involved mainly in heroin said Christy Tick told him that Carmine Tramunti was number one, Paul Vario was number 2, and Christopher Furnari was number 3. Tramunti had final say on their dealings, but other venues outside narcotics had to be brought to "Steve" or the "Old Man" before they could move forward with them and to not talk about drugs in front of senior members or those close to other capos.

As I stated before, 1967 was interesting for the Lucchese crime family after Tommy Lucchese passed away.


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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
As I have stated before there are different sources of informants. If more than one says the same thing or something similar to what another informant says, then there is cooperation with the information. If one informant gives information only they talked about, then it is hard to concluded it in the overall narrative. I will give you two examples of an informant giving only information they revealed without another informant backing it up. 1) An FBI informant who was a made member in the Bonanno crime family in Miami said that Anthony Corallo told him that Joseph Rosato was the boss, Anthony Corallo was the number two man, and Carmine Tramunti was shifted back to his former position in the Lucchese crime family. The informant was then told in January 1968 that a meeting of Lucchese members would meet at Paul Varios house to elect a new boss to replace Joseph Rosato. 2) An FBN informant who was an associate of Christopher Furnari of the Lucchese crime family in Brooklyn who was involved mainly in heroin said Christy Tick told him that Carmine Tramunti was number one, Paul Vario was number 2, and Christopher Furnari was number 3. Tramunti had final say on their dealings, but other venues outside narcotics had to be brought to "Steve" or the "Old Man" before they could move forward with them and to not talk about drugs in front of senior members or those close to other capos.

As I stated before, 1967 was interesting for the Lucchese crime family after Tommy Lucchese passed away.


Give me the source where u read this, show us. Then I'll trust you didn't make it up

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@Giacomo_Vacari

I'm not disputing your response; but I doubt Christopher Furnari was ever number 3 in that family before Corallo took over. I think Christy Tick became Consigliere in the early 1980's. He was a captain before then. Where are your sources coming from?


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There are many. But I will give you one source as this guy pretty much got Donnie Brascos foot in the door with the Colombo crime family early on and the only member in Florida Bonanno family who could vouch for Pistone at the time. Name is William Dara aka Willie the Tile Maker. He was a Bonanno soldier in the Miami area.


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Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
There are many. But I will give you one source as this guy pretty much got Donnie Brascos foot in the door with the Colombo crime family early on and the only member in Florida Bonanno family who could vouch for Pistone at the time. Name is William Dara aka Willie the Tile Maker. He was a Bonanno soldier in the Miami area.


Where did he say that, where is it? You are a liar GV, everything you say is made up and fiction. You have been banned from numerous forums because of this, I don't understand why you still do it. Don't understand why you get a kick of made up stories about Corallo and Furnari. Crazy.

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Careful Alex... Look up Edmond Valin who does the Rat Trap, he has informant on him that summons it up a lot better than. If you do have MM-1231-C-TE file, then I do not know what you have redacted and not.


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The rat trap is brilliant. Spent hours reading it. Research is amazing. And I read the William dara one also I believe.

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Yeah Valin does a great job and succeeded where I have failed to identify some of the informants. New York and New Jersey are the hardest to identify and there is a treasure trove of informants in those two states.


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Yeah you proper get a feel for the CWs mind and where they’re at. Some great information and viewpoints from lcn all over the us. Some of them don’t think of it as ratting and just enjoy the agents company IMO!


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