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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: pmac] #968825
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Originally Posted by pmac
If he even knew the niece it would have been a theory or motive. Then he'd be charged with 1st degree


If it's about the niece (first they said daughter) why would Cali behave the way he did. He probably hadn't a clue who Comello was.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #968826
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Honestly I have my doubts with the niece theory as well.

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Hollander] #968834
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by pmac
If he even knew the niece it would have been a theory or motive. Then he'd be charged with 1st degree


If it's about the niece (first they said daughter) why would Cali behave the way he did. He probably hadn't a clue who Comello was.

i agree why he would shake hands with some guy he bump his car while his car was parking outside of his home
and that guy was the person who date his niece when he told him to stay away from her !?!?
sounds too weird
i think that there is something else here...

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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #968847
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Shit is weird

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #968849
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Defense attorney Robert Gottlieb said Wednesday the incident not only is tied directly to right-wing hate speech and conspiracy theories found on multiple websites, but also Cali himself. When asked what that link is, he responded “I could, but I’m not going to discuss that further today


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: OakAsFan] #968850
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Why would a mob wannabe kill a boss? Not only ending his mob career before it starts, but giving himself a certain death sentence to boot. You'd think it would be the other way around, that he would kill someone who disrespected Cali, like the kid in Mean Streets did.

I still think it's the niece.

The MAGA stuff, well, let's be honest, it's not like this is totally out of the norm today.


I agree. If Comello were a wannabe mobster he would have given Cali an envelope full of money rather than a bullet.

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #969242
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So the Frankie boy hit wasn't mob sanctioned. That crazy kid that was tied up with his niece some how.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Neo] #969243
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Originally Posted by Neo
So the Frankie boy hit wasn't mob sanctioned. That crazy kid that was tied up with his niece some how.



Comello gave several conflicting accounts about what happened, but he did say he feared for his life.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Hollander] #969251
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Originally Posted by Hollander

Comello gave several conflicting accounts about what happened, but he did say he feared for his life.


I don't know if the self defense thing will work, considering Comello went to Cali's house armed with a 9mm. And pulled into Cali's driveway hitting Cali's car.

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Fleming_Ave] #969255
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Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Originally Posted by Hollander

Comello gave several conflicting accounts about what happened, but he did say he feared for his life.


I don't know if the self defense thing will work, considering Comello went to Cali's house armed with a 9mm. And pulled into Cali's driveway hitting Cali's car.


His behavior in court is another thing not anxious but proud.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #969256
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The George Zimmerman defense. Somehow simultaneously defending yourself while following someone. And, it worked. But this isn't Florida.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: OakAsFan] #969257
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The George Zimmerman defense. Somehow simultaneously defending yourself while following someone



I know. Crazy, isn't it?

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #969260
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I think the advent of social media and the platform it gives to crazy people is emboldening guys like the Christchurch shooter, James Holmes, Anthony Comello and Zach Madsen - Madsen is the guy who attacked a professional wrestler at a Hall of Fame ceremony a week ago.

Even on a smaller scale, we are hearing more about people doing stuff like pushing people off bridges for "social media likes" (one died because of this recently).

It's only going to get worse in the future.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #969261
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It's not just social media emboldening crazy people. Leaders at the highest levels are doing it.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: OakAsFan] #969263
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
It's not just social media emboldening crazy people. Leaders at the highest levels are doing it.


Except incidents featuring one of the people I mentioned happened under the previous presidential regime, not to mention Sandy Hook etc, etc. But turn what I said into a political post anyway, even though that stuff is supposed to be off limits...


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #969266
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I was turning what you said into a factually correct argument. Social media isn't the biggest culprit when it comes to enabling mental illness and violent threats. There are leaders at high levels doing it.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: OakAsFan] #969267
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I was turning what you said into a factually correct argument. Social media isn't the biggest culprit when it comes to enabling mental illness and violent threats. There are leaders at high levels doing it.


So Obama is somehow responsible for Sandy Hook, Anders Breivik and James Holmes then? Or are you just using my original comment as another way to take a shot at the current president? Even though political comments have been prohibited for a reason.

If you're going to co-opt other people's comments in order to make a political point be consistent at the very least.


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I'm pointing out the inaccuracies in your comment. Social media is not the biggest culprit in enabling mental illness and violence today. Nor is any kind of media. There are leaders at the highest levels doing it.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I'm pointing out the inaccuracies in your comment. Social media is not the biggest culprit in enabling mental illness and violence today. Nor is any kind of media. There are leaders at the highest levels doing it.


That's your opinion. It doesn't make it right. The bottom line is my original comment had nothing to do with political discourse, which has been prohibited on this site, but here you are co-opting another person's comment to make a political point anyway.

If you want to talk politics there are plenty of other forums to do it on.


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I was correcting your inaccuracy. You said that social media is responsible for enabling mental illness and violent behavior. They share only a small percentage of the blame when you consider actual leaders are doing it as well.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
I was correcting your inaccuracy. You said that social media is responsible for enabling mental illness and violent behavior. They share only a small percentage of the blame when you consider actual leaders are doing it as well.


You're clearly trolling. Someone "pushing someone off a bridge" and seriously maiming or killing them for "social media likes" has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

Political discourse has been prohibited on this website. Point to me where my original comment had anything to do with politics.

You are stirring up shit for the sake of it.


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Responding to an argument is not trolling. Maybe I'm getting trolled...

And, for the umpteenth time, I was correcting your inaccuracies about social media. In an age where leaders at the highest levels are enabling mental illness and violence, social media, or media of any kind, share only a fraction of the blame.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
Responding to an argument is not trolling. Maybe I'm getting trolled...

And, for the umpteenth time, I was correcting your inaccuracies about social media. In an age where leaders at the highest levels are enabling mental illness and violence, social media, or media of any kind, share only a fraction of the blame.


I asked you to point out anywhere in my original comment where I made a political post, which are prohibited on this forum, and predictably you've failed to do it.

You are breaking forum rules and trolling.

Mass shootings that happen in Norway and New Zealand have more to do with European politics and socio-culturalism than the American president or American politics. People pushing others off bridges and attacking people for social media attention, likes and tweets has nothing to do with the American president or American politics.

Grow up.


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I only corrected your inaccuracies. I owe no explanation for anything else you allege.

If I'm breaking any rules by merely replying to an argument as succinctly and factually as possible, then I respectfully accept the punishment.

I post every comment as if it were my last anyway.


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And I reiterate:

I asked you to point out anywhere in my original comment where I made a political post, which are prohibited on this forum, and predictably you've failed to do it.

You are breaking forum rules and trolling.

Mass shootings that happen in Norway and New Zealand have more to do with European and Australasian political policies and socio-culturalism than the American president or American politics. People pushing others off bridges and attacking people for social media attention, likes and tweets has nothing to do with the American president or American politics.

Grow up.


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I can't identify any forum rules I've broken, although I will accept any moderator's intervention and/or action.

I'm not sure about your assessment of European mass shootings, either. Granted, I don't live there, but I've read opinions by proven experts in the region that seem to be much more informative and nuanced then yours, and they would disagree.

I'm not sure why people push others off of bridges. Social media? Did these things happen before social media? Teenagers have always been crazy. Not sure what your obsession with social media is all about, but to blame it for a violent culture and widespread mental illness when we have leaders enabling the very same thing is quite a stretch.

I'm trying to grow up, but I'm young at heart.


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I post every comment as if it were my last anyway.


Yes. You are clearly committing an act of forum seppuku. As anyone can see,


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