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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #966919
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What he was doing lately.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: BronaZora] #966921
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Originally Posted by BronaZora

I'm still having a hard time believing that this kid would do something like this randomly on his own. There are other ways to deal with stuff like this. If he did act on his own, then he must have severe depression and is on some sort of medication, because no sane person goes from having a clean record and an honest job to killing one of the major bosses of one of the big families, that's insanity. It would make more sense if he was doing this as a favor for someone to move up the ranks or something, but on his own? Still not buying it.


This is just speculation on my part for the hell of it. Some of the articles quote people as saying Comello had some mental illness and perhaps also a history of drug use. If that's true probably he was not in the right state of mind, he has a relationship (maybe only in his mind?) with Cali's niece, he feels rightly or wrongly Cali's trying to keep him from his girl, and it could set him off. That kind of murder happens all the time. This time a Mob big shot was the victim so we're hearing about it a lot more in the news.
There is one other possible explanation. If someone wanted Cali gone, and knew Comello, maybe they could have planted the idea in his mind knowing he was feuding with Cali. I think it is most unlikely, but it's possible.

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My sources say Gene had nothing to do with this, and he will not accept being head of the organization, even if its offered to him.

I don't really have sources, btw. That's just my guess.


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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #966924
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so we are going back to the mob hit theory ?
how much do you guys believe that possible ??

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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: MeyerLansky] #966925
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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
so we are going be to the mob hit theory ?
how much do you guys believe that possible ??


I think it's HIGHLY unlikely, but it's possible. Most likely the kid they arrested is a lone nut.

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Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
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so we are going be to the mob hit theory ?
how much do you guys believe that possible ??


I think it's HIGHLY unlikely, but it's possible. Most likely the kid they arrested is a lone nut.

i won't be surprise at all by anything is this weird case...
also it's still early in the investigation
maybe new info will come out soon
for now we have no confirmation that he had anything to do with cali niece right ??

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Read that Cali’s family refused to hand over cctv? And the kid is claiming Cali had a gun on him and he shot Cali in self defence?

Could it be Cali came out armed, kid shot him. And his family removed his gun hence the reason they don’t want to hand over cctv it true



I think the fact that the wife is a Inzerillo means that she is against helping the police especially since they have been trying to lock up her husband for the past decade why would should help them out. I think she and her kids were true to Omerta and said fuck the police we want real justice and we ain’t helping them. I’m sure they knew it was this deranged Comello kid since he supposedly rang the doorbell first and apparently the niece was inside the house too. The wife seems pretty legit she has it in her blood she wanted that kid dead for killing frank not locked up.


Where did you read or hear that he rang the doorbell first and that the girl was there too?


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Also Saturday, John Gotti Jr. took a whack at law enforcement for originally believing his recently sprung uncle, Gene Gotti, may have been involved in the rubout.

“I wonder if these tremendously insightful law-enforcement individuals are going to issue an apology,” Junior, 55, told The Post.



Told of Junior’s remarks, one law enforcement source said, “Tell Junior we will apologize once his family apologizes to the Castellano, Lino and Johnson families, and all the other families whose relatives they killed and got away with.”



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Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Fleming_Ave] #966934
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Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Originally Posted by BronaZora

I'm still having a hard time believing that this kid would do something like this randomly on his own. There are other ways to deal with stuff like this. If he did act on his own, then he must have severe depression and is on some sort of medication, because no sane person goes from having a clean record and an honest job to killing one of the major bosses of one of the big families, that's insanity. It would make more sense if he was doing this as a favor for someone to move up the ranks or something, but on his own? Still not buying it.


This is just speculation on my part for the hell of it. Some of the articles quote people as saying Comello had some mental illness and perhaps also a history of drug use. If that's true probably he was not in the right state of mind, he has a relationship (maybe only in his mind?) with Cali's niece, he feels rightly or wrongly Cali's trying to keep him from his girl, and it could set him off. That kind of murder happens all the time. This time a Mob big shot was the victim so we're hearing about it a lot more in the news.
There is one other possible explanation. If someone wanted Cali gone, and knew Comello, maybe they could have planted the idea in his mind knowing he was feuding with Cali. I think it is most unlikely, but it's possible.


If this relationship story is legit and the kid was very depressed, it's completely possible that this could set him off. But that hand shake that they're talking about is rather weird, specially after someone just rammed your car. The only time I would shake hands with someone that just did that to my car is if I did not know them and they apologize, or I knew them and we're in good standing. If Cali knew the kid, I doubt he would be in good standing with him given he was trying to stop his niece from seeing him.

I don't know, that story does not add up. The kid seems Italian based on the name and he works in construction, he may know more than just the "niece".

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Originally Posted by BronaZora
But that hand shake that they're talking about is rather weird, specially after someone just rammed your car. The only time I would shake hands with someone that just did that to my car is if I did not know them and they apologize, or I knew them and we're in good standing. If Cali knew the kid, I doubt he would be in good standing with him given he was trying to stop his niece from seeing him.


Most likely Cali did not want to make a scene, so he was being polite. That, or maybe he didn't really hate the kid, just wanted him to leave the girl alone.

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Originally Posted by BugsyM
Also Saturday, John Gotti Jr. took a whack at law enforcement for originally believing his recently sprung uncle, Gene Gotti, may have been involved in the rubout.

“I wonder if these tremendously insightful law-enforcement individuals are going to issue an apology,” Junior, 55, told The Post.



Told of Junior’s remarks, one law enforcement source said, “Tell Junior we will apologize once his family apologizes to the Castellano, Lino and Johnson families, and all the other families whose relatives they killed and got away with.”



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Oh my god that sentence is brutal!

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #966941
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How long does he keep breathing once he gets sentenced and sent to his permanent home?
They’ll keep him alive in local jail for court, but after that, there will be a line up of people looking to get in the good graces with the LCN.

Re: Frank Cali Shot [Re: Beenaround] #966945
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The Gottis apologizing to the family of the guy who accidentally ran over John's son would be good enough for me.


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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The Gottis apologizing to the family of the guy who accidentally ran over John's son would be good enough for me.

Fat chance of that happening. According to the Gotti women the Favara family was throwing keg parties and John Favara was the devil lol. They love playing the victims

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Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The Gottis apologizing to the family of the guy who accidentally ran over John's son would be good enough for me.



Their whole family are trash, with exception of maybe Pete....

Angel Gotti went on that A&E show and deliberately lied that Favara told her mother ''what the f**k was he doing on that bike anyway''

Nobody believes he would have said that, even though its a valid question...They just wanted to make him look like a less sympathetic victim....They're trash !!

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This is almost a sign of how fall the American mafia has fallen in a way. Not to say that there haven’t been attempts on bosses lives when they weren’t around trusted bodyguards, but to get killed by some almost random kid in front of his house? Couldn’t imagine someone even being able to see someone like Carlo Gambino, Al Capone etc. in that scenario.

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Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Originally Posted by OakAsFan
The Gottis apologizing to the family of the guy who accidentally ran over John's son would be good enough for me.



Their whole family are trash, with exception of maybe Pete....

Angel Gotti went on that A&E show and deliberately lied that Favara told her mother ''what the f**k was he doing on that bike anyway''

Nobody believes he would have said that, even though its a valid question...They just wanted to make him look like a less sympathetic victim....They're trash !!

Exactly. They also harassed his wife after he was murdered. Pieces of shit they are

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Originally Posted by BronaZora
The kid seems Italian based on the name and he works in construction, he may know more than just the "niece".


Comello name.

https://www.houseofnames.com/comello-family-crest


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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Couldn’t imagine someone even being able to see someone like Carlo Gambino, Al Capone etc. in that scenario.


Those guys used to run like massive thiefdoms where police could in many cases be openly corrupt walking in and out of known mafia establishments. Gambino and Capone could get away with having armed bodyguards many with likely criminal records and because of the environment they could get away with it. Frank Cali had two choices either ride around with armed criminals or hire professional security which probably wouldnt have worked in his line of work.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
This is almost a sign of how fall the American mafia has fallen in a way. Not to say that there haven’t been attempts on bosses lives when they weren’t around trusted bodyguards, but to get killed by some almost random kid in front of his house? Couldn’t imagine someone even being able to see someone like Carlo Gambino, Al Capone etc. in that scenario.

Even when Capone was sick he kept body guards around him, say what you will, but Capone was a true gangster...if Capone was on the streets nitty would still be alive


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This wasn't an OC hit.

None of the other NYC families would have done this. And the Gambinos are stable and making money, so highly unlikely it was internal.

As for Canada, Cali had good contacts in Toronto and Montreal and Canadian mobsters don't like messing around in the USA because of potential jail time. Cali has travelled to Canada many times. If they wanted to hit him, they would have lured him to Canada.

Regarding the drug seizure, the Latin Americans only give drugs "on credit" to Calabrians, so any drug shipment Cali would be involved with was paid in cash in advance. If he was "guaranteeing" passage for someone else's drugs, and the drugs were seized, he wouldn't have been hit a few days later. He would have been given time to pay or make a deal.

And in Sicily, Cali was respected and things are calm. The Mafia in Sicily is making money again and things are relatively peaceful. Plus, if they were going to do a hit, it would be much more professional than this.

As I said in earlier posts, I am still shocked Cali didn't have better protection. He was the boss of a pretty large organization. It's very sloppy not to have the proper security.

And if the Gambinos are proper OC, the shooter should be dead by the end of the month. If Vito Rizzuto was shot by some 24 year old nobody, and that nobody was caught, the nobody would be dead within a week. If the gov't put them in PC, it would just take longer, but they would be nothing but a zombie, a dead man walking.


I agree with what everything that you said except the security part. No American LCN boss, aside from maybe Al Capone, had around the clock security if there was no war going on. Frank Costello, Giancana, and Vito Genovese to name a few never traveled with a body guard let alone had one at their house 24-7. Tommy Billotti didn't live at Paul Castellano's house, the Chin walked around Greenwich Village alone with his daughter sometimes, and Vito Genovese spent a lot of time alone tending to his garden in Atlantic Highlands by himself. With there being fewer organized crime hits now there is less of a need than ever to have security around a boss, if anything it would draw attention to them that they don't want, the last thing that they want now is to be noticed.

As far as retaliation, it doubt that anything happens, and there is precedent for that. Carmine Sciandra, not a boss but Paul Castellano's nephew and a Gambino captain, was shot in the stomach in a domestic dispute in 2005 at one of his Top Tomato stores on SI. From what I know the guy who did the shooting didn't even leave Staten Island. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/14/nyregion/from-our-family-to-yours-bang.html

Murder and really violence of any kind are bad for business, and if something were to happen to this guy or the guy who shot Carmine Sciandra, LE would be on the Gambinos in a heart beat. This isn't Canada where you can get convicted for a murder and be out in 10 to 15 years or even sooner.



When the boss of a crime family is murdered, there must be retribution. Otherwise ppl you deal with - especially outside the USA - and local upstarts (especially ethnic gangs who are pretty hungry and ruthless) will lose respect for you. Fear, violence, murder are an integral part of OC.

If they don't avenge the murder of a boss because they're scared of jail sentences and LE, their business will be in trouble. Other groups - who are willing to use violence - will encroach on their business.

And you don't have to use high ranking members of your organization to to hits. Look at what's happening in Canada. Many suspected shooters show up on surveillance as being black. If they're caught, they don't even know who originally ordered the hit. The contracts are "layered" so the original person who ordered the hit is insulated.

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21 page thread went out with a fizzle. the boss got whacked over a bitch. take it there will be a vote or whatever for a new boss that should be interesting. theres a recent picture of cali floating around guy looked old for 53 could just be a bad pic. wonder if guys are throwing there hat in the ring being that it was so unexpected

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whoever the consig is today is surposed to take a capo vote

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what joe n gallo did after paul got killed. anthony spero did it for massino

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Originally Posted by spartan

When the boss of a crime family is murdered, there must be retribution. Otherwise ppl you deal with - especially outside the USA - and local upstarts (especially ethnic gangs who are pretty hungry and ruthless) will lose respect for you. Fear, violence, murder are an integral part of OC.

If they don't avenge the murder of a boss because they're scared of jail sentences and LE, their business will be in trouble. Other groups - who are willing to use violence - will encroach on their business.

And you don't have to use high ranking members of your organization to to hits. Look at what's happening in Canada. Many suspected shooters show up on surveillance as being black. If they're caught, they don't even know who originally ordered the hit. The contracts are "layered" so the original person who ordered the hit is insulated.


I agree.


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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
If my father told his 21 year old niece who she can and can't date, she would burst out laughing.


Obviously, most of us are closer to our nieces and nephews than you are. If my niece was dating someone no good and might have been abusive to her, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to tell her what she needs to do. I've already done that to one of my nephews over a girl he was hung up on. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean the rest of us do it.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by spartan

When the boss of a crime family is murdered, there must be retribution. Otherwise ppl you deal with - especially outside the USA - and local upstarts (especially ethnic gangs who are pretty hungry and ruthless) will lose respect for you. Fear, violence, murder are an integral part of OC.

If they don't avenge the murder of a boss because they're scared of jail sentences and LE, their business will be in trouble. Other groups - who are willing to use violence - will encroach on their business.

And you don't have to use high ranking members of your organization to to hits. Look at what's happening in Canada. Many suspected shooters show up on surveillance as being black. If they're caught, they don't even know who originally ordered the hit. The contracts are "layered" so the original person who ordered the hit is insulated.


I agree.


I agree too, but this is USA not Europe ,and this case caused too much heat, if they kill him or any member of his family , feds will be all over them , very bad for business


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Originally Posted by dixiemafia
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
If my father told his 21 year old niece who she can and can't date, she would burst out laughing.


Obviously, most of us are closer to our nieces and nephews than you are. If my niece was dating someone no good and might have been abusive to her, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to tell her what she needs to do. I've already done that to one of my nephews over a girl he was hung up on. Just because you don't do it doesn't mean the rest of us do it.

His father is obviously a pussy, and he knows it apparently. Anyway...

The theory of patsy has me thinking back to when Al Bruno ordered Frankie Roche to pay up for damages rendered during a bar brawl, and Roche was scared shitless. Bruno's protege Anthony Arillotta and his crew approached Frankie Roche, knowing of his dispute with Bruno, and paid him to take Bruno out on their behalf, making the murder seem like a personal thing between Frankie Roche and Al Bruno.

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Posts: 1,684
new jersey
The murder is not mob business, it was a personal dispute, let it rest


"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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