I agree...The feds shouldn't be wasting resources on shylocking and gambling cases which is basically all Philly is capable of running....The feds used to ridiculed if that's all they could charge somebody with...That said, they do have to follow up if someone comes to them for help claiming that they were threatened !!

It’s head lines and OT that drives there thing .....who would not want to work these guys ....Christ you don’t have to worry about taking a fucking bullet now days.

They have it so easy they set up a drug guy or set up a guy on the fringe and these guys let them right into there living room for shit sake ....back in the day you did not know a guys real name for five years and never knew where he really lived .

They work a case for six years and get 25 year pension out the ten years ....why not !

It’s a fucken game and it comes out of your check hundreds at a time , every week.

Nobody forced him to extort that guy, Serp. Like George Anastasia said, Narducci and Merlino's arrests over stupid shit make it harder for mob guys who do want to go legit. But a mob guy being legit is an oxymoron in the first place. As G.A. said, these cases prove that no matter how rich these guys get they can't stop being criminals.

The taxes stuff is a red herring. The spend on prosecuting cases against the mafia has a negligible effect on the average taxpayer.

And what are the Feds supposed to do when a guy goes to them because someone is on tape saying a guy with eight murders under his belt is going to murder him, say fuck it and ignore him?

Moe I get it ....

I and many have been on both sides and they both do there dirt.

I can’t go into detail....but I’ve seen LE destroy many many great guys lives and turn them into something they most likely would never become (just like OC) and I seen with my own eyes many many times.

And don’t think I am hater of LE a off duty cop saved my life one night .

And I have blood that is in LE and not a beat cop someone very influential and no one to fuck with .

Where are the cases against the HASCID "SHY-LOCKS"? You do not see them? or any other ethnic group? Is it because only Italians run gambling, loan sharking etc? No its because FBI specifically targets Italians, for two reasons:

1) LCN has rules about not killing or attacking cops.
2) The public eats it up.

Any cop or FED for that matter would rather work a case against LCN over MS-13 any day of the week.

I don't know that all Philly LCN is capable of running is SHY and GAMBLING, the FEDS in the past would have left this guy on the street for years and years, now as soon as they have an indictable offense they pull the trigger.

I believe this is a direct result of the lack of resources the FEDS have in place, so to compensate they substituting quality with quantity, to show they are still out there making cases, here they will earn another conviction of a PHILLY CAPO.

These RINKY DINK CASES no one fights however, the major cases when guys have been fighting they have been winning. FED CONVISTION RATE USED TO BE 96% I would say in the last 7-8 years the feds conviction are at trial is probably 50%.

Yeah, and they alert the media so they can get their names in the paper, even though it was an easy arrest that didn't take much leg work at all !!

Look what they did to that Stone guy who's friends with Trump...Like 29 agents, 12 cars, a helicopter and boat in the marina while CNN's cameras were rolling for a guy being arrested for a non violent crime...They just want splashy headlines !!

Stone was released with no bail btw....I guess the judge thought the 29 agents, helicopter and boat didn't fit the crime he was being arraigned on !!

So much about running a legitimate business. He didn't need this.
Looking at 25 years over a few loans. This is just the beginning, I'm sure there's gonna be more indictments. If you ask me, this is a bullshit case. A guy owes you some money and it's a RICO bust right away? The FBI is corrupt. Phil did his time, he should be left alone. FBI should do somethin more productive then this.

He's an active, high level, member of an organised crime family and he got caught red handed extorting, loansharking, and assaulting someone. Throw in someone saying he's killed eight people on tape. It sounds like the definition of racketeering to me.

You're acting like he loaned someone ten bucks to buy a pizza and not multiples of thousands of dollars.

Not everything is a conspiracy against the mob.

Yes it was very stupid to put that kind of pressure knowing his name alone is a target but let's get something straight, this is not a Rico case this is extortion and on a plea with enhancements from his criminal background he faces around 4 years and with prison reform has a chance to get out in 30 months

In my opinion it would be relatively straightforward to prove his crimes were committed as part of an enterprise.

To believe otherwise is to believe Narducci operates with complete autonomy, in which case what would be the point of having a crime family? Their strength fundamentally comes from being part of a collective.

He’ll plead out, get 3 years

Def not a Rico case..read the paperwork..it seems at least the secon loans of 95k was actually a written loan with contract etc..not standard street loan with weekly puts...if that is the case, defense could make it look that the guy ran to the feds to get out of paying..and all they would have is Gallo’s words on phil...that being said it don’t get to trial, he takes plea like what is mentioned above 4 5 years..sucks, but it ain’t 25

I wasn't aware Phil Narducci was a financial institution. I thought he was a restaurateur and criminal. I apologise.

Stupid to get aggressive because of his name he is an easy target but not a Rico so on a plea he faces 4 years or so and with prison reform most likely be out in 30 months. So Moe don't let your bias opinion let your mind run wild!! Starting to sound like GA

We're both biased. Just on different ends of the spectrum!

One thing we can both agree on is that it was very shortsighted of Narducci. He got too greedy. Avarice is not a strong quality. Even for a mobster.

More. You do realize people loan money every day Right? With promissory notes, hardmoeny with mortgages, please tell you are not that fuckin stupid that you don’t realize that not only financial institutions lend money ..the mistake made here, is the debtor must have forgot that phil,is what he is, or maybe he didn’t...

Normal people don't lend extremely large sums of money to people they don't know. This isn't a guy lending a hundred dollars to a family friend.

Why the hell is an incredibly wealthy man lending exorbitant sums of money to a random shmuck?

Forget who Phil Narducci is?

What, I thought he was a legitimate businessman?

I’ll be nice and stay away from insulting..far as forgetting who he was, send me a post where I may have said anything about him being only legit or not only legit....my post meaning who he is, is certainly someone yu probably don’t want to fall behind paying...you must be a state worker, or liberal, who has no clue of the mechanisms of the business of lending, I can introduce you to a dozen Armenians, Jews, Italians, up here in boston that lend numbers more than 10times this number, to people on introductions, albeit with security in MOST but not all cases, all,of these lenders are businessman, stock brokers, general contractors,sales managers, and yes restauranteurs , it’s business, there is money, and it beats the bank..from what I gather, this was NOT a Shylock loan with illegal rates, there is a signed note, my guess is there was no security to back it up, which is a huge mistake and so wasn’t using gallo. BUT it is not a Rico case , that’s why it isn’t charged as such, unless moe,u r reading it as a Rico and I’m missing something, if so enlighten me.

Moe, that's what we are saying... he had a hard money lending business also. Totally legit! We don't know the details but what if he went there to collect and the rat said blow me or something derogatory? Would you feel differently? What if he put his head into the windshield because the RAT got cocky with him. How would you feel then? That would make it a simple assault but the feds stuck their noses in it because they are ruthless people that work there trying to make a name for themselves.

Biggie, as an Armenian, I as well know quite a few who lend big up here in Saratoga Springs NY. I still am shocked he went on his own to face & threaten this guy!

Jcapo..not my argument at all..if the alleged is true, there are a lot of dumb things that may have occurred..but my arguments is this, 1.it’s not a Rico case...2. Contrary to moe’s oponion, people lend big money to people every day..you what type of people do this?..PEOPLE WITH BIG MONEY!

Far as the collection method and the kd gallo talking ridiculous on tape, that’s totally agreed, my arguments have nothing to do with that

Read back to Moes comment..incredibly wealthy ..in my world billionaires, or at least 50 mill is that category, I don think a guy sweating in a restaurant 10 hours a day is at that level..lastly..you know why guys that don’t have can’t lend money right? Haha..

He had a signed legal agreement?!!!! Is this true?! If so I wouldn’t take more than 2/3 years and consider rolling the dice. Jury would look at that like feds exaggerating it for a bs sexy mob case.

StreetL ,.i have heard there was a promosory note for the 95k and leads me ti believe it was loaned in check form but that im not sure on

Nobody forced the guy to take the money...

Yup I know a guy who flips houses in Philly and South Jersey and he often borrows from a two well known doctors from Haddonfield (a very wealthy town 15 mins outside Philly in South Jersey for those who don't know) and it comes in check form with a note and all. Completely 100% legit.

Biggie , time after time I read Moe as to just want to say whatever he wants! Tries to make to many jokes at times and with him without knowing any background someone is guilty before proved innocent. I NEVER pay him any mind but this time i had to. Well we will see how this plays. It's a simple assault to collect money that was owed. That's how I see it. Mcmonagle was in court from what I hear and was arguing with the feds who were trying so hard to make the charges bigger than what they are

No way biggie! Doesn’t this prove that it isn’t lcn? More like some old timer who wanted his money back that he leant legally?

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Its not organizationally related..Phil was collecting his own money, and has his own balla, he its his own thing..as u said, a guy collecting his own money

quote=streetbossliborio]No way biggie! Doesn’t this prove that it isn’t lcn? More like some old timer who wanted his money back that he leant legally?[/quote]

I've heard the same stuff about Merlino turning legitimate in the past, and one could've given him the benefit of the doubt when he broke his terms by meeting Ciancaglini, by chance apparently, but we all know how that turned out.

I will try to reserve any more comment until the truth comes out in the wash, but this seems to be more of the same. The same stuff we've been hearing since Gotti senior and Gotti junior were trialled up.

And we all know they were guilty as sin, too!

Barracuda - assuming that's true, were those doctors members of LCN? Did they send LCN confederates to threaten their debtors?

Indulge me more on the legalities of this.

Moe,your quote below..and a bunch of us refuted that fact because NORMAL people certainly do..I never questioned whether this was a smart move, what I questioned is u insinuating a financial institution is the only place to get money...wrong again, moe
Your quote below
Normal people don't lend extremely large sums of money to people they don't know. This isn't a guy lending a hundred dollars to a family friend.

Why the hell is an incredibly wealthy man lending exorbitant sums of money to a random shmuck?

Forget who Phil Narducci is?

What, I thought he was a legitimate businessman?

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