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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: Moe_Tilden] #960417
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Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
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Rastelli was such a shitty boss jesus


I may be off base but Rastelli always struck me as a puppet boss.


Wasnt Rastelli behind both the 3 capos murder and the Galante hit? I remember someone on here saying Galante was never the real boss, he just thought he was because Rastelli was in jail.

And if he was a puppet boss, who would’ve been the real power? Or are you saying he was just a puppet boss for someone like Catalano who couldnt be the real boss because he didnt know enough English.


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rastelli made galante the acting boss when he went to prison for extrotion in late 1975 after his appeals were up. he was sentenced to 10yrs but that old federal laws you could get parole after 3.5 yrs i think. so he was only going for a few. galante figured after 77 when he inducted probaly 50 new guys he wants to be official boss. i think rusty did it out of respect for joe bonanno who galante was surposely his underboss but ive never been convinced. they were never mention at commission meeting together or wiretaps. then galante violates parole in 1978 gets locked up for 18months gets out summer 1979 and gets whacked. all the plotters and shooters of galante get bumped up to capos and all the capos galante had well he was acting boss get demoted or something like that. im sure alot of capos played the fence.

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did a lil google found out rusty goes to federal prison in july 1976 so galante had the big seat from summer 1976 to summer 1979 and he was locked up 18months . all of 1978 and half 79 then gets whacked. so his claim to fame was 1977 inducted abunch of new guys when the books opend. and he made 10 guys christmas 76. he was only acting boss on the street like 2 yrs. rusty became official boss febuary 1974

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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #960426
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So Rusty was a skipper under Bonanno ?

Bonanno gets the boot ? or does he put Rusty up as boss ?


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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #960436
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they had that capo violi up in montreal office bugged and he gave the who;e process of rusty becoming boss. how violi was summoned to nyc by rusty to be the montreal crew to become the boss. it happen at some hotel in nyc in feb 1974 and the other bosses on the commission okd it. so think thats carlo gambino, tom dibella, benny squint/funzi tieri, think tony ducks. the last time there was a full commission i think in nyc.

Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #960437
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he was the last boss of the bonannos that had his hooks in a union. some moving company union. probaly small but profitable. him n massino were convicting for controling it in 1987. massino wanted no part of unions when he got released

Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: pmac] #960439
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Originally Posted by pmac
they had that capo violi up in montreal office bugged and he gave the who;e process of rusty becoming boss. how violi was summoned to nyc by rusty to be the montreal crew to become the boss. it happen at some hotel in nyc in feb 1974 and the other bosses on the commission okd it. so think thats carlo gambino, tom dibella, benny squint/funzi tieri, think tony ducks. the last time there was a full commission i think in nyc.


Hey pmac, I read somewhere recently that Violi went to NYC in Nov 1973 to participation in the election of Rastelli as boss. Violi apparently brought Joe DiMaulo and his brother-in-law Raynald Desjardins with him... the latter is interesting since he’s not Italian.

Any idea if this is true?


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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: Serpiente] #960443
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Originally Posted by Serpiente
So Rusty was a skipper under Bonanno ?

Bonanno gets the boot ? or does he put Rusty up as boss ?


Rusty was one of the capos that sat out in the Bonanno war. After Joe Bonanno moved out of New York into Arizona, he had no choice but to accept the commission appointed boss Paul Sciacca who had been leading the revolt faction since 1966. Natale Evola was a Bonanno loyalist who was just released from prison and Paul made him Underboss to help bring the family together. Rusty was respected to where the majority of capos voted him as Consigliere. This was the setup from 1968 to 1971. 1971 comes around and Sciacca gets busted and sentenced, instead of going in with the title, he relinquish it to Evola, more than likely he was tied of the headaches that comes with it, and Colombo and Gambino making demands all the time. 1971 to 1973, Evola is Boss, makes Rusty his Underboss, and Joe DiFilippo is elected Consigliere. 1973 Evola dies suddenly. Rusty is voted boss barely by a majority of Capos, while those that voted against Rusty wanted to wait till Galante was released before a vote was called, these were Bonanno loyalist that had remained in New York after Joe Bonanno retired to Arizona. 1974 Rastelli was going in for a bid and Carmine Galante was coming out. Joe DiFilippo stepped down, and Stefano Cannone, a strong Rastelli loyalist was voted Consigliere. Rastelli named Galante acting boss, and Nicholas Marangello, a former bodyguard to Joe Bonanno, I've read driver but Little Nicky served as a bodyguard, as the official Underboss due to the power the Knickerbocker Village crew had gathered after the Bonanno war. With Cannone as Consigliere and Marangello as underboss, Rastelli felt those two and a few capos could keep Galante in check.


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stubbs your probaly rite. was it late 73 rusty called contoni to nyc but he was in legal trouble he sent violi acting in his place to vote rusty for boss. maybe the commission approved it in feb 1974. violi was caught on tape talking about the whole process and what a honor it was for him. later the rizzutos used it to get galante to ok his murder. and giacomo is probaly correct to. im just surprised galante and rusty were both on the street all 1975 and most 76 together. but i think they were friends. its kinda like vic orena trying to take over the colombos when they made him acting boss. ive read there cousins to or atleast threw marriages

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Re: Did the 3 capo murders need commission approval? [Re: pmac] #960467
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Originally Posted by pmac
stubbs your probaly rite. was it late 73 rusty called contoni to nyc but he was in legal trouble he sent violi acting in his place to vote rusty for boss. maybe the commission approved it in feb 1974. violi was caught on tape talking about the whole process and what a honor it was for him. later the rizzutos used it to get galante to ok his murder. and giacomo is probaly correct to. im just surprised galante and rusty were both on the street all 1975 and most 76 together. but i think they were friends. its kinda like vic orena trying to take over the colombos when they made him acting boss. ive read there cousins to or atleast threw marriages


Paolo Violi went with Joe DiMaulo, and Frank Cotroni to New York in November 1973. Vic Cotroni was still the Capo and boss of Montreal, but had sources inside the Canadian law enforcement that they were watching him and would either arrest him or subpoena him. Vic Cotroni decline to attend the meeting in case LE in Canada were following him, and gave the power of vote to Violi, with Frank Cotroni going to New York to make introductions between New York and the Canadian members, Paolo knew some of the members, but Frank knew more and with him there, there would be no doubt that Violi spoke for Vic. Raynald did go with them, but was not allowed at or near the meeting. Violi did vote for Rastelli instead of Galante, which is how Nick Rizzuto was able to convince Carmine Galante around November/December 1977 to ok a hit on Paolo Violi. The thing with the Violi hit, is that Nick Rizzuto was growing in power, but without Vic Cotroni giving the ok as well, there is no way Rizzuto would have continued to be walking around and living after the Violis were being gunned down. With what little evidence remains, it would be a safe conclusion that Vic Cotroni had oked the hit on Violi in January 1978. Rastelli was named boss of the Bonanno family in 1973, and then was approved by the Commission in the fall of 74' sometime in October or November. There was a delay and it seemed to be with the release of Carmine Galante at the beginning of 1974, or according to unidentified Genovese capo, a meeting took place in February or March 1974, Tony Ducks approved Rastelli, but Gambino was against it, and Salerno talked with Frank ( I can only think Frank Tieri) for a few minutes then asked Gambino to say why Rastelli should not be boss. Castellano piped in and said that Rastelli has charges and sentences over him, and wait a few month for Rastelli and Bonannos had a stable administration and would not be thrown into chaos. Salerno agreed, it was just Carlo Gambino and Paul Castellano flexing their muscles over the family according to the capo. If that was the case, then it make sense Rastelli would appoint Carmine Galante as acting boss, as him and Rastelli went back to the 1940s, Galante did not take shit or backed down from anybody, but still knew how to show proper respect, to keep the Gambinos at bay. Same scenario as how Anastasia made Scalise his underboss to put Genovese and Lucchese at bay. Carmine Galante did not start going on a power trip or take over the family till the later part of 1976. Interesting from March 1978 to February 1979 both Rastelli and Galante were locked up. Thus you had one side of the family taking orders from Stefano Cannone who representing Rastelli, with backing from both the Gambino and Genovese family, and the otherside taking orders from Nick Marangello representing Galante with backing from the Colombo family. Lucchese family stayed neutral during this time and the 1980s renegade faction. A judge released Galante as the government had illegally revoked Galante parole.


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So at 20/21 years old Raynald is traveling with the acting capo and brother of the capo on a trip to New York? I'm guessing he was with Joe? When did Joe and Raynald sister get married?

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Originally Posted by kingoflittlenewyork
So at 20/21 years old Raynald is traveling with the acting capo and brother of the capo on a trip to New York? I'm guessing he was with Joe? When did Joe and Raynald sister get married?


I'd say about 73-ish but not totally sure. I'd say that's fairly close though

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Rusty couldnt lace carmines boots i said before would of been a great underboss and the family would of been so much stronger if carmine was 1 and rusty was 2 .

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to get back to the topic question. rusty was the boss he didnt need other bosses permission to clean house in his own family. in reality he s only making his family weaker buy taking out 3 strong leaders. thats how massino came out on top. and rat he was. i think massino and sonny black just werent sure of themselves to be able to whack 4 capos even thou sonny reds kid bruno never showed up to the slaughter. its never been done in the history. some real serial killer shit to. i dont think any other boss killed more of his capos then rusty did his own family. theres probaly 10 capos in his own family he orderd dead. crazy

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And they was all capable ceaser george gabe mirra etc

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Originally Posted by pmac
to get back to the topic question. rusty was the boss he didnt need other bosses permission to clean house in his own family. in reality he s only making his family weaker buy taking out 3 strong leaders. thats how massino came out on top. and rat he was. i think massino and sonny black just werent sure of themselves to be able to whack 4 capos even thou sonny reds kid bruno never showed up to the slaughter. its never been done in the history. some real serial killer shit to. i dont think any other boss killed more of his capos then rusty did his own family. theres probaly 10 capos in his own family he orderd dead. crazy


Rastelli had the finale say no matter what, but I agree with you, it was Sonny Black and Fat Joe making sure they had the support of the other families to take on such a huge task that had never been done, with the exception of the Saint Valentine Massacre in Chicago in one setting.

On how many capos were killed during Rusty's reign. Remember, Peter Licata and Paolo Violi were done on Carmine Galante's orders, not Rastelli's.
Rastelli's orders, two of these were done by Joe Massino manipulating Rastelli.
1. Cesare Bonventre
2. Leonardo Coppola
3. Carmine Galante (acting boss but still considered a capo)
4. Phillip Giaccone
5. Alphonse Indelicato
6. Gabriel Infante
7. Dominic Napolitano
8. Dominic Trinchera

So Rastelli ordered eight, but in essence there was a total of ten capos killed during his reign.


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Alot of powerhouses in that list vacari.

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Not my research but I trust B.

- It was Giaccone who sold his trucking business not long before the murder. This is mentioned in Donnie Brasco.
- Giaccone was not related to Bonventre. Giaccone's nephew wrote a book and claimed Giaccone's family was from Castellammare but that's not true. They were from Agrigento like the Indelicatos.
- Bonventre was facing legal troubles during this period which is why he seemingly was not directly involved.
- Eddie Lino was an associate on record with Neil Dellacroce which is why Frank Lino was able to reach out to him and get help from Dellacroce.

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Originally Posted by pmac
to get back to the topic question. rusty was the boss he didnt need other bosses permission to clean house in his own family. in reality he s only making his family weaker buy taking out 3 strong leaders. thats how massino came out on top. and rat he was. i think massino and sonny black just werent sure of themselves to be able to whack 4 capos even thou sonny reds kid bruno never showed up to the slaughter. its never been done in the history. some real serial killer shit to. i dont think any other boss killed more of his capos then rusty did his own . theres probaly 10 capos in his own family he orderd dead. crazy


Well you are right however, Massino sent word to Dellacroche, to send to Castalleno for Commision approval, which he recieved.

Massino sent word that the 3 capos were looking to kill the admin and take over the family.

The commisin/Castalleno told Massino, "DEFEND YOURSELF(S).

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Originally Posted by Stubbs
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by BarrettM
Rastelli was such a shitty boss jesus


I may be off base but Rastelli always struck me as a puppet boss.


Wasnt Rastelli behind both the 3 capos murder and the Galante hit? I remember someone on here saying Galante was never the real boss, he just thought he was because Rastelli was in jail.

And if he was a puppet boss, who would’ve been the real power? Or are you saying he was just a puppet boss for someone like Catalano who couldnt be the real boss because he didnt know enough English.


I agree with Moe the commission could control Rusty but not Galante.

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Originally Posted by Hollander


Originally Posted by Stubbs
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by BarrettM
Rastelli was such a shitty boss jesus


I may be off base but Rastelli always struck me as a puppet boss.


Wasnt Rastelli behind both the 3 capos murder and the Galante hit? I remember someone on here saying Galante was never the real boss, he just thought he was because Rastelli was in jail.

And if he was a puppet boss, who would’ve been the real power? Or are you saying he was just a puppet boss for someone like Catalano who couldnt be the real boss because he didnt know enough English.


I agree with Moe the commission could control Rusty but not Galante.



Galante wasn't a puppet boss
He was acting like he was the boss

He was bringing in boat loads of money from Canada

The reason why he was whacked was he wasn't sharing the proceeds with th e other families.

Rastelli was in jail and you had the 3 capos doing what they wanted.

If there is no strong boss that is respected and feared they stop kicking up everything.

That is why when I need boss takes control alot of times he will leave bodies in the street to get everyone in line.

The commission whacked Galante who thought he took over the family or was going to tLe.over the family.

After that or at the same time the 3-capo faction was also trying to take over the family.

Then you had Massino who had the backing ofGotti/Dellacroce/Gambino/Commision.

He knew if took out the 3 capos h.e would.be the new defacto boss and than the actual boss.

After the 3 Capos, Massino took out anyone he seen as a threat to the seat.

Sonny Black and George from Canada

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Bensonhurst, Infante was poised to take over the family if Rastelli died or received a longer sentence. That was one of the murders that Joe Massino manipulated Rastelli into ordering. Infante was killed in 1987. Infante had connections to Canada, California, Buffalo, Boston, New Jersey, Detroit and Chicago some stronger than others. He was the number one pick in a lot of members minds, but Massino already had his power base, and it went without saying he was Rusty's voice. Just because they are locked up does not mean they can not get someone from behind bars.


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The official reason Gabe was killed.was because he messed up on two hits.

Massino had a strong relationship with Gotti/Dellacroche and Castalleno

Among other things they felt if he was boss they would c9ntrol the Bonnano's

Massino killed Paul's son in law as a favor to him, so Paul owed him one.

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That's how Massino was able to get commission approval yo whack the captain's.

I remember now how that went down.

I read it a book.

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