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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #959348
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It was also the promotion of Bilotti to underboss that helped trigger the murders.

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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #959361
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I just can't believe that he would name Bilotti his underboss and then the two of them still travel together unarmed.He had know idea not a freakin clue what Gotti had in mind.He was obviously way out of touch with his soldiers.The fact he let Gigante kill the capo.He made some very dumb decisions indeed

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: MemphisMafia] #959363
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Originally Posted by MemphisMafia
I just can't believe that he would name Bilotti his underboss and then the two of them still travel together unarmed.He had know idea not a freakin clue what Gotti had in mind.He was obviously way out of touch with his soldiers.The fact he let Gigante kill the capo.He made some very dumb decisions indeed

NOBODY would expect a mob hit of the boss at that time. The commission trial was going on and that sort of thing didnt happen.

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961297
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On this day in 1983, Roy DeMeo was found murdered in his abandoned car trunk. He had been shot multiple times in the head and had a bullet wound in his hand.

I heard about Castellano ordering it but never knew he was actually indicted.


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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961313
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Definitely smart but lost touch with the rank and file. The fact that no one in the organisation of the hit broke rank to tell Paul speaks volumes. Gotti should’ve been hit. Could you imagine chin allowing a gotti and his crew to grow?!!! Never. He would’ve thrown the gotti bros off buildings like he done with some other bros. Just lost touch and got too comfortable as number one which is never advisable from history. Mobsters are ruthless criminals looking to take advantage all the time. Paul was too worried about the case by this stage

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: streetbossliborio] #961383
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Originally Posted by streetbossliborio
Definitely smart but lost touch with the rank and file. The fact that no one in the organisation of the hit broke rank to tell Paul speaks volumes. Gotti should’ve been hit. Could you imagine chin allowing a gotti and his crew to grow?!!! Never. He would’ve thrown the gotti bros off buildings like he done with some other bros. Just lost touch and got too comfortable as number one which is never advisable from history. Mobsters are ruthless criminals looking to take advantage all the time. Paul was too worried about the case by this stage

well I do think Paul wanted to get rid of Gotti BUT Two things saved Gotti. The first was neil of course. Even though neil was dying of cancer for over a year he still held a lot of weight and was able to hold Paul off. Also Paul was dealint with the Commission trial so he didnt want to attract much heat. Pauls biggest mistake was naming Bilotti and Tommy Gambino as his successors if he went to jail. If he would of went to Decicco first who he was very close to AND was respected by the whole family then Gotti would of either been dead eventually or broken down into a soldier with no power anymore

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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961407
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Was Castellano smart ?? Of course he was...He knew white collar crimes far better then Gotti ever would..

Was he a smart street boss ?? No

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: DiLorenzo] #961428
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Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Was Castellano smart ?? Of course he was...He knew white collar crimes far better then Gotti ever would..

Was he a smart street boss ?? No

To the point & correct.


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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: Serpiente] #961574
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Originally Posted by Serpiente
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Bruno, despite his reputation as the business-smart don, was letting Gambino affiliates deal on his territory while cutting out his own made men from doing the same. Not too smart.


I don't think they were in Bruno's family, they were in Gambino's family. They weren't just Gambino affiliates, they were Carlo's blood family. In the event of any sitdown they had the backing of the boss of an NYC family. I would think they could pretty much do what they wanted. As long as they didn't take from Bruno's family, what was he going to do about it?


Bruno was right drugs made guys flip and he was able to get guys off when they got pinched because they / he stuck to the regular mob staples the way the judges and other city officials wanted so he was able to operate much easier.

But he was at odds with his mussel “ Testa and if he had not been at odds for so many years he would of gotten word that North Jersey was making a move .


Same deal with Castellano he was a good boss but I am sure Carlo would of thought that Castellano would of had a crew solid behind him but he was soft and allowed the street to come and get him.

His downfall was just that when 95% of your company is street level guys you need street guys watching street guys , and just like Bruno they thought guys would follow the rules but in that life forget about it .


It was more Carlo Gambino's mistake he should have made Neil boss and Paul U/B...

Paul should have been in charge off all the white collar rackets.

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: BensonHURST] #961612
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Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Originally Posted by Serpiente
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Originally Posted by BarrettM


Bruno, despite his reputation as the business-smart don, was letting Gambino affiliates deal on his territory while cutting out his own made men from doing the same. Not too smart.


I don't think they were in Bruno's family, they were in Gambino's family. They weren't just Gambino affiliates, they were Carlo's blood family. In the event of any sitdown they had the backing of the boss of an NYC family. I would think they could pretty much do what they wanted. As long as they didn't take from Bruno's family, what was he going to do about it?


Bruno was right drugs made guys flip and he was able to get guys off when they got pinched because they / he stuck to the regular mob staples the way the judges and other city officials wanted so he was able to operate much easier.

But he was at odds with his mussel “ Testa and if he had not been at odds for so many years he would of gotten word that North Jersey was making a move .


Same deal with Castellano he was a good boss but I am sure Carlo would of thought that Castellano would of had a crew solid behind him but he was soft and allowed the street to come and get him.

His downfall was just that when 95% of your company is street level guys you need street guys watching street guys , and just like Bruno they thought guys would follow the rules but in that life forget about it .


It was more Carlo Gambino's mistake he should have made Neil boss and Paul U/B...

Paul should have been in charge off all the white collar rackets.

honestly neil would of never made a good boss. Yes he was well respected but he was constantly under indictment and didnt know much about the rackets outside of loansharking,gambling,and hijacking, he was also in jail when Carlo was dying and it was Big Paul who was basically acting boss since 1975. Look im not proclaiming Paul as a great boss but I understand his reasoning

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961616
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sicilian vs nappy..relation vs outsider..lets not forget neil and rava situation..

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961622
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I just dont think neil would of lasted long as a boss. He was in jail from 1973-1976 then in 1979 he got indicted for a murder but the bergin crew took out the other defendent which saved him, then by 83-84 he had cancer along with the RICO and commission trials. Also he groomed Gotti which basically killed the Gambinos. Like I said Neil was well respected but that doesnt mean he would of made a good or stable boss

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: JCrusher] #961642
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I don't think Neil would have been a good boss. Had to many indictments in his name; and I don't think he knew much about other rackets in the family except those he controlled. Yea; He was respected but I believe Paul was the better of the two.

I got a question; if Paul and Neil weren't suitable successors to Carlo.

Who would have been other figures in the family that possibly had a shot to take over once Carlo died in 1976?

James Failla? Tommy Gambino? Joseph Armone? One name I think could have had a real good shot; Anthony Scotto? Believe he was still a captain at that time and had clout in the legitimate world. Very well respected by politicians; unions and close to Carlo.

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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961668
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Probably should have been:
Tommy Gambino because he was the Heir to the throne and married to Luchese.

Than Neil, because Tommy, was so weak Neil, would provide the muscle.

Paul #3 and in charge of the while collar rackets

Each provided a different purpose and should have not stepped in each other.

Meaning Neil, had no interest in running white collar rackets.

Paul had no interest in being the work horse crew that admin needs to keep everyone in check.

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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961680
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His brother Paolo Gambino would be a candidate, but I couldn't find out when he died.


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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: Hollander] #961701
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@Bensonhurst

I don't think Tommy would have been a good boss but it's certainly plausible. Did other families respect him? He certainly would have needed a crew of killers to combat those who viewed him as weak boss. I think he would have had a longer reign then Paul just because of who he was. Who also wants to be involved in the murder of Don Carlo's son?

@ Hollander

Don't know much about Paolo Gambino. Just know he was a captain; Was he a powerhouse?

I think Anthony Scotto could have succeeded Carlo. He was incredibly smart. Just like I said about Tommy Gambino; He would need a crew of killers because I honestly dont think he was in-touch with the streets.

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Anthony Scotto?

I don't really know much about him.

Other than his daughter Rosanna is pretty HOT!!

LOL

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: Zavattoni] #961716
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni

@ Hollander

Don't know much about Paolo Gambino. Just know he was a captain; Was he a powerhouse?



I agree there´s little information about him. From what I've gathered "Don Paolo" was very respected and played a big role in the family.
Among his closest criminal associates were his brother Carlo, Frank Scalise, Joseph Profaci and Lucky Luciano.


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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: Hollander] #961727
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@Bensonhurst;

Anthony Scotto was a powerful Captain for Carlo. He was one of the heads of the ILA; which represented longshore workers. He was connected to many political figures; Even considered to be Jimmy Carter's Secretary of Labor. He was eventually put to pasture eventually by either Castellano; or Gotti. I believe the latter. He's legitimate now. IMO; He's one of the most intriguing mob guys I'v ever heard about. Able to be weave through illegitimate activity and legitimate and still be thriving in his elderly age without law enforcement breathing down his back.

@Hollander.

Didn't know that.

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Thank you
What legit business does he have?

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961821
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His son runs a restraunt they started called Scottos since 1993 and his daughter is an anchor on fox 5 new York for 26 years.

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: bobbybacino] #961832
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@Bensonhurst

He runs Fresco. Heard the food is good.

I think he had a chance to succed Carlo or Paul. If he didnt get caught up into racketeering charges in 1979; I think he could have risen above Captain.

Paul was on tape saying they were gunna have a President; He was raving about how Scotto was gunna take over the ILA union or have a spot in Jimmy Carter's cabinet. Not sure which one.

Gotti gave him a favor by replacing him with his own guy. Purely legitimate now.


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
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So he owns two restaurants?

Scotto' and Frescoes?
Where in NYC

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Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: night_timer] #961902
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I think just 1. It's called Fresco by Scotto.


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
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The smart ones don't end up gunned down in the street. He wouldn't have made boss if he wasn't related to Carlo. He lost a chess match to Gotti, so I'd say no. Probably a smart businessman type that would have made it in the legit world, but definitely not a street guy or savvy to the street politics. Need both to be a smart gangster.

But then again, he made a fortune and set his kids up in legitimate businesses---they're set for life with most likely generational type wealth so he did reach heights most don't.......

Re: Was Paul Castellano A Smart Gangster? [Re: Goldy] #961911
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Originally Posted by Goldy
The smart ones don't end up gunned down in the street. He wouldn't have made boss if he wasn't related to Carlo. He lost a chess match to Gotti, so I'd say no. Probably a smart businessman type that would have made it in the legit world, but definitely not a street guy or savvy to the street politics. Need both to be a smart gangster.

But then again, he made a fortune and set his kids up in legitimate businesses---they're set for life with most likely generational type wealth so he did reach heights most don't.......

He was smart. Also he wasnt in trouble with the law constantly like Neil was. He wasnt playing a chess match with Gotti. Lets be honest Frank Decicco and Sammy Gravano were basically the main reason it went down in the first place. Now im not trying to praise Paul or anything, he clearly made mistakes. Letting Frank Piccolo die was a dumb decision as well as raising his tribute to 15 percent.

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